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    Posted: May 31 2017 at 3:02pm

Paris climate deal: EU and China rebuff Trump

By Matt McGrathEnvironment correspondent
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Chinese and EU leaders are to agree a joint statement on the Paris climate agreement saying it is "an imperative more important than ever".

A draft of the document, seen by the BBC, stresses the "highest political commitment" to implement the deal.

It will be widely seen as a rebuff to the US, as President Trump deliberates on withdrawal from the accord.

The joint statement will be published on Friday after a summit in Brussels.

For more than a year, Chinese and EU officials have been working behind the scenes to agree a joint statement on climate change and clean energy.

The document highlights the dangers posed by rising temperatures, "as a national security issue and multiplying factor of social and political fragility," while pointing out that the transition to clean energy creates jobs and economic growth.

"The EU and China consider the Paris agreement as an historic achievement further accelerating the irreversible global low greenhouse gas emission and climate resilient development," the draft document says.

"The Paris Agreement is proof that with shared political will and mutual trust, multilateralism can succeed in building fair and effective solutions to the most critical global problems of our time. The EU and China underline their highest political commitment to the effective implementation of the Paris Agreement in all its aspects."

Both sides say they will step up action to and "forge ahead with further policies and measures" to implement their national plans on cutting carbon. Significantly, both the EU and China agree that they will outline their long term low carbon strategies by 2020.

CaneteImage copyrightEUImage captionEU climate commissioner Miguel Arias Cañete greets his Chinese counterpart at recent climate talks in Marrakech

The document outlines other areas of co-operation including on the development and linking of carbon markets. There will also be bilateral work on energy labelling, energy performance standards and the performance standards of buildings.

"The EU and China are joining forces to forge ahead on the implementation of the Paris agreement and accelerate the global transition to clean energy," said EU climate commissioner Miguel Arias Cañete.

"No one should be left behind, but the EU and China have decided to move forward."

Why does Trump want to leave climate deal?

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What was agreed in Paris?

Climate change, or global warming, refers to the damaging effect of gases, or emissions, released from industry and agriculture on the atmosphere.

The Paris accord is meant to limit the global rise in temperature attributed to emissions.

Countries agreed to:

  • Keep global temperatures "well below" the level of 2C (3.6F) above pre-industrial times and "endeavour to limit" them even more, to 1.5C
  • Limit the amount of greenhouse gases emitted by human activity to the same levels that trees, soil and oceans can absorb naturally, beginning at some point between 2050 and 2100
  • Review each country's contribution to cutting emissions every five years so they scale up to the challenge
  • Enable rich countries to help poorer nations by providing "climate finance" to adapt to climate change and switch to renewable energy

To date, 147 out of the 197 countries have ratified the accord, including the US, where the accord entered into force last November.

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The increased co-operation between the EU and China comes as reports indicate a further cooling in the US towards the Paris accord.

Several sources, quoted by US media, suggest that President Trump is set to pull out. The President himself tweeted enigmatically that he would announce his decision over the next few days.

This comes after the President failed to find common ground with other global leaders at G7 summit in Taormina, Sicily. In the wake of that meeting, German Chancellor Angela Merkel vented her frustration with the US position.

"The entire discussion about climate was very difficult, if not to say very dissatisfying," she told reporters.

"There are no indications whether the United States will stay in the Paris Agreement or not."


Media captionCalifornia to 'work with China' on climate

The new move by the EU and China was warmly welcomed by environmental campaigners, rattled by the prospect of the world's second largest emitter of carbon pulling out of the globally supported agreement.

"If US-China climate cooperation gave birth to the Paris Agreement, now it is up to EU and China to defend and enhance it," said Li Shuo, from Greenpeace.

"The pair has the potential to become the new driver for international climate diplomacy."

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I do not like this world order kum by yah crap the U.S. is usually the only one to give up everything while the rest of the world screws the environment. We are always the bad guys but when a country needs to be saved they call on us to save them.

I hope Trump says NO!
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The Paris climate agreement was deeply flawed from its start. It was legally and constitutionally suspect, based on politics rather than science, and contained unrealistic goals. It promised not only a dramatic expansion of the administrative state and a huge increase in the regulatory burden on American businesses, it threatened to put the brakes on U.S. economic output at a time when most economists think the U.S. will struggle to achieve even a meager two percent growth.

It’s likely that it was already acting as a drag on the U.S. economy. After President Barack Obama unofficially committed the U.S. to the Paris agreement, businesses began preparing for its impact. Knowing that it would diminish U.S. economic output, businesses invested less and directed more investment toward less-productive technology to meet the climate deal’s mandates. Banks and financiers withdrew capital from sectors expected to suffer under the climate deal and pushed it toward those expected to benefit. A classic example of regulation-driven malinvestment.
The Paris climate agreement was adopted on December 12, 2015 at the conclusion of the United Nation’s Climate Change Conference. Parties to the agreement are expected to begin taking measures to reduce emissions in 2020, mainly by enacting rules that sharply reduce carbon emissions. Countries are supposed to publicly announce “Intended Nationally Determined Contributions” to combat climate change and periodically report on their progress.  The Obama administration announced the U.S. would commit to reduce emissions by 26 to 28 percent below 2005 levels by 2025, a quarter of which was supposedly achievable by the implementation of the previous administration’s legally-questionable Clean Power Plan.
To get the rest of the way, the U.S. would have to make major investments in renewable energy, energy efficiency, and cleaner motor vehicles. This likely explains why the Paris climate deal was so popular with many in Silicon Valley and many on Wall Street. It promised a bonanza of spending and investment, most likely subsidized by taxpayers, in technologies that wouldn’t otherwise be attractive. It was practically calling out for making self-driving, solar powered cars mandatory.
Dropping out of the agreement will let the U.S. avoid several deleterious effects of the agreement.
Goodbye to ‘American Last.’ The Paris agreement was basically an attempt to halt climate change on the honor system. Its only legal requirements were for signatories to announce goals and report progress, with no international enforcement mechanism. As a result, it was likely that the United States and wealthy European nations would have adopted and implemented severe climate change rules while many of the world’s governments would avoid doing anything that would slow their own economies. The agreement basically made the U.S. economy and Europe’s strongest economies sacrificial lambs to the cause of climate change.
Industrial Carnage. The regulations necessary to implement the Paris agreement would have cost the U.S. industrial sector 1.1 million jobs, according to a study commissioned by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. These job losses would center in cement, iron and steel, and petroleum refining. Industrial output would decline sharply.
Hollowing Out Michigan, Missouri, Pennsylvania, and Ohio. The industrial carnage would have been concentrated on four states, according to the Chamber of Commerce study. Michigan’s GDP would shrink by 0.8 percent and employment would contract by 74,000 jobs. Missouri’s GDP would shrink by 1 percent. Ohio’s GDP would contract 1.2 percent. Pennsylvania’s GDP would decline by 1.8 percent and the state would lose 140,000 jobs.
Smashing Small Businesses, Helping Big Business. Big businesses in America strongly backed the Paris climate deal. In fact, the backers of the climate deal reads like a “who’s who” of big American businesses: Apple, General Electric, Intel, Facebook, Google, Microsoft, Morgan Stanley, General Mills, Walmart, DuPont, Unilever, and Johnson & Johnson. These business giants can more easily cope with costly regulations than their smaller competitors and many would, in fact, find business opportunities from the changes required. But smaller businesses and traditional start-ups would likely be hurt by the increased costs of compliance and rising energy costs.
Making America Poorer Again.  A Heritage Foundation study found that the Paris agreement would have increased the electricity costs of an American family of four by between 13 percent and 20 percent annually. It forecast a loss of income of $20,000 by 2035. In other words, American families would be paying more while making less. 
Much Poorer. The overall effect of the agreement would have been to reduce U.S. GDP by over $2.5 trillion and eliminate 400,000 jobs by 2035, according to Heritage’s study. This would exacerbate problems with government funding and deficits, make Social Security solvency more challenging, and increase reliance on government’s spending to support households.
The Paris deal was, in short, a disaster for America and a nothing-burger for climate.
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Yes, we are out of the Paris Deal...it was bad for America good for all other countries! Thank you President Trump for Making America Great Again!
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-01/watch-live-president-trump-unveils-his-decision-paris-climate-accord



The outcome of Angela Merkels meeting yesterday with president Modi of India http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/narendra-modi-in-germany-live-pm-to-meet-chancellor-angela-merkel-german-president-1705033 and the EU-Chine top http://en.people.cn/n3/2017/0601/c90000-9222626.html is putting the door wide open for China's New Silk Road policy. 

https://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/390260-transatlantic-divorce-angela-merkel/ With Eur-Asia moving away from fossil fuels (and the US-petro$) renewable energy, electric cars etc. durable production will become the standard norm. 

Of course US companies are welcome to export to the rest of the world as long as they follow enviromentul rules. Fossil fuels are getting to expensive to compete with the renewables. 

DJ; What surprises me is that EU-China talks even involved military cooperation. It would be fully incorrect to put all the blame for what might become a break between the US and EU on Trump. European disagreement with the US go back much further. 

From the Middle East/Israel to energy-pricing in US $, from the US NSA listening in on Merkels private phoneline to insults on not enough EU spending on US weapons, the refugee-influx from the Middle East, wars and conflicts around the globe to putting sanctions on Iran, China, Russia, North Korea etc, etc, etc. 

The US is loosing its leading position. The economic consequences when the dollar is loosing much of its value when energy is not backing that value depends on how fast US companies and other US organizations adept to the new situation. 

Climate change is getting out of control. Very much action is needed very fast-when Trump is not getting that it is his problem, the world will not wait.
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Then let the rest of the world take care of China and India who did not have to stop coal production and not pay their share to the "Green Fund". Wake up the world would love for the U.S. to die.
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I would rather have Trump renegotiate the Paris Deal since Obama gave our country away in this Deal. If the rest of the world wants us to participate then renegotiate world.
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Everyone wants our money and our military protection but wants our country to economically fail. Go figure!
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Trump is letting American workers down with his support for the coal and oil-industry in stead of moving into new developments. 

When I look at measurements on climate change things look awfull. In my opinion the good news is that most countries that matter are speeding up things-the US industry will follow those changes. 

Trump can belief the Earth is flat-even as a US President-but that does not make the world flat. (It makes Trump look unrealistic). 

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Trump is destroying the US credibility in the world community of nations.  We are the second largest producer of greenhouse gases (China is Number One), and he is setting us up for retaliation in trade deals.  

Like all such deals, Paris was far from perfect, but it was an excellent first step.  

Climate change is undeniable - the torrential rains we see across the US and globe are one of the first signs, and these will only get worse.  Sea level rise accelerates, and ocean acidification may be the final nail in the coffin.  

I've studied climate change mitigation since the early 1980s, and the disbelief in climate science by the Right amazes me.  Get ready for a rough ride, America will not be the country we knew when Trump finishes with it.  
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https://citizensclimatelobby.org/trumps-pullout-from-paris-climate-agreement-is-biggest-failure-of-leadership/

Despite the Trump administration’s antipathy to address climate change, there are encouraging signs that Republicans and Democrats can come together in Congress to enact climate solutions. The bipartisan House Climate Solutions Caucus has more than doubled in size since the start of the year and now has 40 members with equal numbers from both sides of the aisle.

“As we’ve seen with the formation and growth Climate Solutions Caucus, there are many Republicans who want to solve the climate problem, and we hope more of them will join that endeavor,” said Reynolds.

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It really shouldn't come as a surprise that Trump did this, because he was adamant on the campaign trail that he thought climate change was a hoax perpetuated by China. And after a slew of monumental fails, he had to check off something of substance on his to-do list.

I was just reading about the Marshall Islanders struggling with their ancestral burial sites being washed away by rising sea levels. Maybe Trump can succeed where King Canute failed and help them out.

It is gratifying to see at least 50 US Mayors declaring their support for the Paris Accord. History won't judge us kindly for this level of short-sightedness.

Ocean acidification - you're preaching to the choir here, Chuck. And heaven forbid we push our oceans into widespread anoxic events as a result of our missteps.


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he might say he going to  "PULLOUT" but saying and doing is another thing,

Banning people from other countries didnt go to well,

and that only affects the USA,

when it comes to a "global problem"now thats a compleatly different story,

How anyone can not believe that we are causing his Global catastrophy is beyond me ,

2000 years ago the population of this planet was, 2 billion people,

not a car on the road , not a plane in the sky, all boats were powered by the wind

that remained the population till 1850 then the "industrial revolution"

in 170 years we have put 6 billion people on this planet along with cars,boats ,planes

all using CARBON /FOSSIL FUELS that has been STORED FOR millions of years

BUT MOST IGNORANT PEOPLE DONT EVEN KNOW WHERE IT CAME FROM

OR HOW IT FORMED..... 

THEY PROBABLY DONT KNOW WHERE THE AIR WE BREATHE COMES FROM......





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STUPID, STUPID, STUPID, STUPID!!!  Science does not make it up.  It can't.  That is what the scientific method is all about.  It can make mistakes, but, sooner or later, it finds those.  Climate change is not an hypothesis or even a theory.  It is a proven fact.  The vast majority of scientists agree on that - a few abstain and a tiny percentage, 0.0 something, deny it - usually on the pay of the oil and coal industries.  Acts of superstition, disbelief and illogic are the products of religion, insanity and idiocy, not science.  

Luckily for America, climate change will affect low lying countries first.  But, it will come to affect America as well.  When it does, some of the rest of us will say: "Us first - just like you did US."  

Contrary to popular belief, most of the rest of the world owes America very little.  I am sorry to tell you all this, but America has a reputation for only getting involved when it benefits them; for instance: (WW2 after Pearl harbour) , applying sliding gradients in their financial favor (already) and  abandoning those who helped it when they are no longer of any use (Pro-American Vietnamese).

Americans have every right to put America first, of course they do. - However, remember so does everyone else!  Up until now most of us have avoided protectionism for both pragmatic and humanitarian reasons. But, when your friend (your best friend in many cases this time) hangs you out to dry, you do not forget it in a hurry.  In fact the resentment often far outweighs that which grows from the unsurprisingly selfish acts of strangers - it hurts more from your friends because it involves a betrayal. 

I have children.  This decision will affect them, within a few short years, and not for the better.  Right now I am disgusted, but not surprised (the USA already has a nasty reputation for not valuing human life).  Later, after the destructive fun escalates, I will probably get rather angry.  I am just one person, and as such fairly powerless.  But, my shopping basket will no longer contain American products* and my vote will not be cast for those who remain politically pally with our relatives across the pond.  I am quite certain I am not alone in this.



*I will really miss Hershey's peanut butter cups, but I am dieting anyway.
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Trump fiddles
the world BURNS

a FAILED Presidency
and only 5 months in !
quite an accomplishment I would sayLOL

now the US can sit at the kiddie table along with Syria and Nicaragua on this issue
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Hey Technophobe,well said, try "whitickers"New Zealand chocolate,until chump is gone.....
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Trumps decision to pull out of the Paris-climate agreement has a.o. the following effects:

-It puts news on climate change on top of the list again (in stead of "migration"/refugeecrisis, terrorism, wars etc-although they are all related). 

-It in fact ends the "uni-polar" world with the US as the only "superpower". China is very active around the globe. Russia, the EU can play a more important role. 

-Oil/gascompanies will become even more "energy-companies", there is no future for fossil fuels.

-The linkage between energy and the US $ will become even a bigger burden for the US than it already was. (Being friends with Saudi Arabia because of the petro-dollar was bad for the US). 

-"Fossil-fuel states", OPEC etc. will get less influence.

-For the US there is a major domestic problem with leadership. The two main political parties came up with candidates for the presidency that simply were not good enough. (Bernie Sanders did win indirectly). 

Climatechange is very awfully real. Action has been long overdue and the process of "wild weather" will kill billions of people the coming years. With some luck maybe humans-as a species-can survive. 

It is better that Trump makes clear he is not accepting the Paris-agreement then when he claimes he does but action speaks otherwise. Trump may stay the US president the coming years but may find himself totally isolated of events he can not control any longer. He is on his way to become a "lame duck" after 5 months in office.
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This isn't Trumps fault.    This thing was supposed to be a treaty but Obama unilaterally signed it.   This is what happens when something happens by decree of the President, the next one can undo it just as easily.

The real truth of the matter is that Congress would have never ratified it.   It is THEIR fault.    However unfortunately Trump gets the blame(again).
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Trump could have provided REAL LEADERSHIP on this issue

he FAILED

we need a Churchill

we got a BOZO the Clown instead
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http://www.moonofalabama.org/2017/05/trump-dumps-pretension-of-altruism-from-us-foreign-policy.html#

From now on the U.S. will only engage in selective, temporary friendships: "Where our interests align", and only there, will the U.S. be friendly because it obviously serves U.S. interests. Wherever a country deviates from that, even partially, it will "encounter the firmest resolve." That is as clear a threat as it can be.

The threat was there before but it was applied silently. When the then German Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle voted against the war on Libya at the UN Security Council, the Obama administration launched a local media campaign against him (through U.S. stooges), that devastated his party in the following election. Most people in Germany did not recognize the campaign for what it was. It was hidden behind "human rights" talk, "democracy" fluff and "winning" in Libya. But the U.S. induced campaign against Westerwelle happened, was successful and was a lesson to other local party leaders to stay in line with U.S. demands.

The more honest Trump approach brings such threats out into the open. It is now clear that the U.S. follows only its interests - exclusively, and that it will apply the utmost pressure on whatever party disagrees with it in this or that case.

Such behavior may work well in relations with the dimwit dictators of Saudi Arabia or Qatar. But voters in democracies do not like it when their politicians cave over the demands of a Donald Trump, or any other such egoist. They will demand accountability. Local politician talk about "doing our share in the global community" will no longer pamper over sycophantic behavior towards unjust U.S. requests to further its interests. Voters will insist on opposition to unjust demands and will be willing to bear the consequences.

Trump is likely to find that this openly brutal foreign policy approach, without the warm and fluffy, pseudo-altruistic marketing of an Obama administration, will not work very well. He can hardly invade Spain should it decline to put pressure on Venezuela. No country will sign on to new sanctions against Iran should such a demand come with open threats. Self-determination and justice are too strong motivators to be overcome with pure boorishness.

The McMaster/Cohn op-ed ends with this:

America First signals the restoration of American leadership and our government’s traditional role overseas—to use the diplomatic, economic and military resources of the U.S. to enhance American security, promote American prosperity, and extend American influence around the world.

That is a lonesome approach and it is unlike to enhance, promote and extend anything but disdain for the U.S. But it may well be the line it will follow over the coming years.

If this is the end of the U.S. empire that evolved from World War II it is at least an honest one.

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