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they have Always looked after their own intrests.......

Fair enough.................


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How can this be a good deal when it allows China and India to increase CO2 while we have already reduced our CO2 to 1992 levels and still going down.

You guys just see what you want to see. All the world wanted was our money no one else wants to pay up just the U.S.   Let us renegotiate a deal that is real not false where it does not let China and India out of decreasing CO2 and we pay less money.

Are you people just stupid or just want to keep paying the world to hate us! It is bad enough our own people hate us and do not see what a bad deal this was!
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Originally posted by FluMom FluMom wrote:



Are you people just stupid or just want to keep paying the world to hate us! It is bad enough our own people hate us and do not see what a bad deal this was!

No, the Paris accord was an excellent opportunity for US businesses and entrepreneurs!   We Yanks invent most of the best kit in the world for environmental applications and energy, and the world has always beat a path to our door for technology.  

However, Trump just opened the door wide for China & Europe to storm on in and capture market share.  

I've worked with French, German and British companies, and they are glad that we cut our own throats since they can take over.  Siemens, Suez, Vivendi etc.  will kick our butts, thanks to Trump.  


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If you compare what an Indian and what a westerner like us here in Australia use in greenhouse gases ,we have to go a long way in cutting our green house gases,i have travelled on the sub continent,and believe me even the poorest person in the west is a hundred times better off ,24hour power is a luxury in most countries ,most cooking is done using bottles of gas well past there used by date,so if the west dosnt want to be swamped by people looking for a country with 24 hour power and running water, we need to help them develop there own countries, and we need to cut back, or we erect huge walls and be prepared to shoot them at the borders....its that easy
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From my perspective, it's not a case of being stupid or paying the world to hate us. Despite all the attempts by the fossil fuel industry to hold us back, we were finally doing something - anything - on a global level. I honestly believe that the consequences of doing nothing at this point are too dire to contemplate.

Flumom, I know you're not an advocate of man-made climate change and I respect your views, but I simply don't believe the White House's claims about why we just walked away from the Paris agreement. Even though the administration is stonewalling all the questions about Trump's views on the subject, it's unlikely that he's changed the stance he took on the campaign trail that climate change is a hoax perpetuated by China to hurt American businesses. To make matters worse, the way in which the withdrawal was handled and the rhetoric used now make it all but impossible for any world leader to sit down at the negotiating table with the current administration and maintain their credibility at home. And let's be honest - any renegotiation of the Paris Accord to Trump's liking clearly wouldn't be with a view to making it more far reaching when he believes it's all built on a false premise.
 
We pulled out because of Trump's outdated beliefs, and that puts him at odds with most of the world. We need to get on board and help developing countries to transition into affordable renewable energy instead of clinging on to this ridiculous notion that we can bring back fossil fuels like coal. We can't be a leader in a world on the brink when our President refuses to acknowledge the problem, either from ignorance or greed. Whichever it is, the appointment of Scott Pruitt to head the EPA speaks volumes about his commitment to the environment.

If you follow the money, it's also clear that the people within his own party that lobbied to leave are heavily backed by the fossil fuel industry.

http://www.iflscience.com/environment/republicans-urged-trump-exit-paris-funded-fossil-fuel-companies/








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"No, the Paris accord was an excellent opportunity for US businesses and entrepreneurs!   We Yanks invent most of the best kit in the world for environmental applications and energy, and the world has always beat a path to our door for technology.  "

well said
Trump abdicated a position of leadership
now other countries will jump in and fill the void
this will cost us jobs and technology
the US continues to fall behind in just about all metrics
we have the most expensive health care but NOT the best
our public schools are a disaster
and our infrastructure ?
LMAO !!!

our "high speed trains" do well to travel at 50mph
the Chinese at 150mph

we are like the kid who peaked in high school
he was captain of the football team
dated the head cheerleader
but two years post high school
he is stocking shelves in Walmart for minimum wage
Trump has shown NO leadership on this issue or much else for that matter
he's all sizzle and NO steak
but hey
Make AmURIkA Great Again sure makes for  a good bumper sticker don't it
too bad that is all it is
Trump has already proven in just a few short months that he simply doesn't have what it takes

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Originally posted by FluMom FluMom wrote:

How can this be a good deal when it allows China and India to increase CO2 while we have already reduced our CO2 to 1992 levels and still going down.

You guys just see what you want to see. All the world wanted was our money no one else wants to pay up just the U.S.   Let us renegotiate a deal that is real not false where it does not let China and India out of decreasing CO2 and we pay less money.

Are you people just stupid or just want to keep paying the world to hate us! It is bad enough our own people hate us and do not see what a bad deal this was!

Yes that is the deal - at face value.

However, India currently produces 1/10th the amount of per capita CO2 than the USA.  To allow them to increase whilst limiting America's output would actually make things fairer.  The difference between The USA and China is smaller, and I only have out-of-date information but at last count it was less than half.  Source: World bank at  http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EN.ATM.CO2E.PC

................................. That is how it is a good deal.  The fact that we all want to go on living counts too.  Not paying your fair share is a very fast track to be hated even more.  Now who is stupid?  
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well said Technophobe,

but just like Universal health care for your own population,

SOME people are very very SELFISH ,and only think of themselves.........

and there's me thinking America was a 

CHRISTIAN COUNTRY.......


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Incidentally: (if you read on you may not sleep tonight - you have been warned!) 

"The United States, after eight years of George W. Bush and eight more under Barack Obama, is now sitting at $20 trillion in debt, an amount that is more than 104 percent of our country’s annual gross domestic product. That means if we dedicated every single penny to paying that debt off — which of course is impossible — it would still take more than a year to do."*

Yes, that was trillion!

To make matters worse: 
  

"Russia is buying up more of America's debt.

In March, the country bought $13.5 billion of US government bonds -- better known as "Treasury securities." Russia's total holdings of US debt have now increased to nearly $100 billion, according to recently released Treasury Department data.

It's the third straight month of buying from Russia."**


"But as bad as our debt has gotten, we certainly are not alone — nor is our debt-to-GDP ratio the worst in the developed world. Japan, the world’s third-biggest economy, has a debt-to-GDP ratio of a staggering 250 percent, a figure that has grown steadily since 2007, when it was 183 percent." *

The entire world has been robbing Peter to pay Paul.  Now, with the exception of a very few colossally rich individuals, all the world is broke.  It's not America's money that everyone wants, it's their own they want back - and that because their neighbors and friends are clamoring for their cut.




There is a good reason we (other countries) are gentle in asking for money back, and it is not because we are kind, nice or humanitarian.  We simply live in fear of a cascade of bankruptcies

"The bottom line is, there is much debt in the world today, it’s getting larger, and the lion’s share by far is held by the world’s “richest” countries. Given the interconnectivity of commerce between nations due to globalism, which is the intertwining of production distributed among many markets in many regions, just one debt collapse by a single major economy could snowball, crashing the entire world financial order." *(first source)
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It gets worse (and weirder) - the total global debt is said to be well over $200 trillion, or 325% of the world's GDP.

So, it begs the question...





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AAAH!, JD................  'Though I know the official answer is, "Planet Zog!"  I believe the actual answer is, very strangely: "Each other."  http://www.visualcapitalist.com/visualizing-debt-united-states/
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