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    Posted: February 03 2006 at 11:17pm
Speaking of Cats from the Elderly Forum.  Cats get avian flu and cats like to kill and eat birds.  I have already been talking with my wife and daughter about the fact that, if we get Avian Flu in our bird population, our cats will no longer be able to come in and out as they please.   Those in, but stay in and once out, stay out.  Those out, stay out.   At the first sign of illness, they may need to be euthanized.  If you have inside/outside animals, you may want to plan and perpare for this.  Shooting a sick cat will spread a lot of possibly contaminated blood and there may not be vets to do the job.  Doing it by hand is out of the question: how many bites/scratches and clawings do you think we'd get?  Assuming we could do it.

The same goes for a lot of dogs that would nose around the corpse of a dead bird.  They might not get sick, but they may bring that virus right back into your house after you let them out for the last time the other night.

We humans know to stay away from possibly infected people, but, those of us with pets will let them out to avidly snuffle amongst contaminated dead or sick birds in the yard or woods.   Dog owners should be prepared to keep their pets leashed when outdoors and cat owners prepare to keep their cats out or begin to start the good-fight now to keep them in.
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Hope this forum comes up with some good ideas. I could sure use them.
Have 3 (possibly 4 if my daughter comes to stay with us) dogs. Live in the
country and they go inside/outside continually all day. I realize this would
not be possible if things go bad. Trying to think of some plan. What about
this if i can get my hubby to do some building:

Have a front deck, covered, no railing or fence. Deck then turns to the left
along the other side of the house, not covered in that area. What about
fencing in both covered and uncovered areas of the deck, covering the
part that is not covered, having steps go down to an area, either ground
or gravel, for peeing and pooping. That would have to be fenced and
covered also. Near front door, on first deck i mentioned, put some dog
houses with in/out doors of some kind. Hopefully by the time needed it
would be warmer (now gets down to about 20 degrees each night) and
dogs would stay outdoors all the time. Hopefully dog houses would be
warm enough for sleeping at night. Wouldn't give them much area for
exercise, but can't think of anything else.

Someone would have to feed/ water / gather poop daily. Each dog would
have to be walked daily, without protection of cover. Assume person
going outside to take care of and walk dogs would be masked and
gloved. Anything other personal protection necessary (remember, we live
in country and no other people would be around). Would have to be very
careful when walking dogs not to let them sniff at bird poop.

More thoughts would be very appreciated. Rocky


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I don't think you have to be masked when there are no other people around.
The virus won't be flying around on it's own.

I presume you won't be touching dead birds or bird poop ?
Only problem I can see is when it would be very dry and dusty.
Dry bird poop might be in that dust, but I guess that is a problem for the summer.

Don't touch your mouth, eyes or nose after touching anything outside before you have washed them (your hands that is...)
Aside from that, I think you would be quite alright out in the country.


Can I come and stay ? Will be bringing 2 border collies, so perhaps they can play with your dogs 

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I wanted to post this but first I'd like to say that I am NOT a vet so PLEASE talk to your vet about this first:
My sister has a dog that has been sick for a little while and has lost some weight. Even though he is about 6 years old, the vet told her that it was OK to buy the dog "puppy chow" for a while becuase it is higher in calories and it might help him to gain weight back. (I am sure that there may be better alternatives than this, but that's what the vet told her she could do if she wanted to. Her dog is recovering and will be fine but my sister said he did lose some weight and she was concerned about that)

If there is pandemic and pet owners have difficulty buying enough pet food, maybe it might be a good idea to consider buying some Puppy or Kitten food (even if you have an adult pet)  to help your pet maintain his or her weight , especially if you don't have as much food available as your pet normally would eat.
Like I said, I am not a vet, so this may not be good advice. My sister just told me that her vet said it has extra calories and I thought that if animals are not able to eat as much as they are used to , they may lose weight and having this higher calories food may help them to maintain their weight for a while.


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  Jackson thanks for the tip on the pet food I will check it out.
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have you considered getting in rice and pasta for the dogs. Its bulky so fills them up and provides calories. It is the protein bit that may be a problem  Anyone any ideas please for the protein.  And if you could freeze some beef fat straight off the cow that also provides energy



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HI ALL

as far as i can define if the flu mutates a lot of commense would be a good safe gaurd, plus avioding were possible contact with other creatures. Plus if we can keep ourselves and pets as normally healthy as possible is their a problem.
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I also pLAN to supplement my dogs diet with rice some powder eggs and mashed beans .  I have never bought into the idea that God invented dog food, he invented food .  .  My dog has always  eaten what we eat and he is healthy,  I had one dog and feed him dog food and he was dead in five years from cancer.    The next dog refused to eat dog food and he lived 17 years and was healthy til the end

 

Just watch the fat and sugar.  

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Hi.

FYI  The American Red Cross has a book called Pet First Aid. Easy to understand and use incase there is no vet.  Most chapters should have it. In Tampa they even had a class. K

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Thanks Stormrider.  
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The problem with adding more rice, beans and other carbs to your dogs/cats diet is, that they will produce more uhh... 'manure'

When walking the dog outside becomes a no-no and the animal has to relieve itself in the garden or in-doors on a newspaper (),
bigger piles of pooh are not something you want to encourage.....

Having 2 dogs myself I'm not sure yet what to stock up on for them.
They are normally fed raw meat and bones, but my freezers have to keep running to do that.
If the power goes down so does their food ...
I'm looking into different brands of kibble, trying to decide which is  the least junk...


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WE have cats and a dog..just bought this pup actually..but it is smaller then our biggest cat and about the same size as our kitten..plus we have 2 cockatiels..and of course the fish....

I am locking our pets down the moment I have to...I have stocked up on kitty litter(not a lot) but use it to weigh down the trunk(boot) in the winter...

How about making a walk way for pets..an inclosure and covering top with plastic sheeting to stop bird droppings from getting in...and prevents pets from eating dead birds...

I am sure if you see 50-100 to alot of dead birds on your street or area you are not going to let pets outside...

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Sambo, the giant, loving, truly usless golden lab, chases anything that moves, hasn't caught anything yet. Not one bird gets a break in the yard.
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Hi, Rocky. I would highly recommend closing off the deck and side now while supplies are still available. We build a porch for our cats (13!!) when we moved up here w/o a thought of a bird-flu. We wrapped it with fine wire on the outside and heavy-duty chicken wire on the inside. No problem with bugs getting in or the cats getting out. For in the winter we got that plastic that you use for hot-houses (can't remember the name), keeps rain out and some warmth in. Found out by accident that the cats like banana boxes, so they each have their own with old towels and blankets inside. They've been very happy. You can also order these heat-retaining floor covers for your dogs. Check out a pet magazine, they always advertise for them in there.  Hope this helps. 
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Marjo, please discuss with your vet how to change your pet's food over. I'm not a vet, but I've been told by mine that too rapid a change will make them sick. Might be a good time now to gradually start offering them a good quality kibble in small amounts so their system can adjust.
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I have heard the same from our Vet.   Nice to see another kitty lover Femvet.  Sounds like you have them well protected.  Good to hear, makes me ill to see them running loose, cars, people, BF, anything can get them.

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while I'm thinking about it, don't forget to lay in pet meds as well. Flea-collars, ear-mite treatment, Hydrogen peroxide is terrific for small wounds. I've actuall opened up absesses and cleaned them out with terrific results. Saved me about $200!!! Muzzle for dogs so you won't get bitten while you're trying to help them. Shampoo, what else?? I put together a First Aid kit for my animals, anything in there is kept strictly separate from human stuff.
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does any one has idea on making inexpensive small dog booties?  I do not want my 2 small dogs to go out int the yard and step on bird poop and bring it indoors, I have lots of birds coming to my yard, although I removed everything from bird feeders, baths last year, any ideas?    they are expensive the ones on dog ctalogs, $45.00 and above
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my freind & i made rubber dog botties from old tire tubes- used for rescue dogs--- they can be washed with bleach and are very sturdy.-

just make a circle of rubber--- sized for dog- punch holes thru top & cinch with rope  quite funny looking, but the dogs kept them on

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Thanks!  I have old tires tube in the garage, gret idea and thanks for the tip.
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