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    Posted: November 10 2016 at 6:43am
The original thread I posted on this is quite large. 

http://avianflutalk.com/coming-of-the-ice-age-2016_topic35172.html

There is new evidence that the global warming may still bring on a miniature Ice Age to northern America and parts of Europe. I am restarting this with one of my favorite movies - The Day After Tomorrow. 

I have decided to do the book - The Coming of the Ice Age - which should be out in 2017. There is enough data, if I don't get targeted by the environment is not changing people .

If this warming melts the ice caps and the Gulf Stream is diluted - we will see a massive cooling of the areas being kept unnaturally warm. There is evidence this is happening.

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Back to Climate Change 101.  Global Warming is a reality and ice caps and glaciers are melting at a record rate. Yet, the hype, the politically driven campaign to limit carbon emissions is just that. If we stopped all carbon emissions, no planes, no cars, no industrial pollution for 30 years - we would barely prevent a 1 degree climate change.

Look to the coal industry and manufacturing in the U.S., this has campaign to switch to electricities which in the making are for more polluting, devastated not only jobs in states which rely on these industries, but the economy. No doubt, we want to try and have cleaner air, but not it if will completely destroy our ability to compete on a global scale.

The irony is - no matter what we do, the ice is going to melt and we might have an Ice Age in the U.S., Canada, and parts of Europe.  The dilution of the Gulf Stream and cold spots which will ruin the circulation and cancel the warming effect, could cover most of the northern states in the U.S. in a series of arctic vortexes. The CO2 massive changes during the last Ice Age beginning were long before humankind started polluting the planet.  A storm is coming.

Basically - we need to prepare. This carefully orchestrated outcry against manufacturing is unlikely to do much exact finance special industries born to use the funding to "help save the planet" by better bus schedules and public transit ideas.

The reality is we do have to take a breather from a collison course with a failing U.S. and world economy. There are a lot of good facts in the film below. And some very specific references to myths promoted to scare people.

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Med, how do we prepare? I have put in manual saws and the tools to sharpen, and most of what is needed to cut down trees to use for heat.

I have seeds just in case we can grow stuff. But what do you suggest we need to do to prep for "ice age".
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FluMom, A small warm place to heat, warm clothes, warm blankets,warm boots and stored high fat food. If we can still grow anything that will be a big plus. 
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if/when  the "global conveyer" stops we could be deep into an ice age " with 10 years,

and that could last 10,000 years ,

i believe thats where we will be ,global warming means to me 

an ICE AGE  coming , best move to Australia.....

as i did ....

2000 years ago there was 2 billion people on the planet,since 1850 we have put  further 5 1/2 billion on this rock, 150 years ago there was no cars ,planes ,powererd ships 

we are digging up carbon and burning it ,carbon that has been buried for millions of years ,and we doing that "overnight"

you must have rocks in your head if you dont think that will change the chemistry of the earth.....Image result for world population chart


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Originally posted by FluMom FluMom wrote:

Med, how do we prepare? I have put in manual saws and the tools to sharpen, and most of what is needed to cut down trees to use for heat.

I have seeds just in case we can grow stuff. But what do you suggest we need to do to prep for "ice age".


There are a number of options here depending on the severity of the climate change. The most basic ways are learn to grow and either can or store food during a brief planting and harvesting season. Even with a bad environment, solar power may be adequate to do whatever is needed when skies are clear. Some might consider hunting as there are numerous animals which can and will survive.

Moving south of course is an option, if only to southern parts of the U.S. As you mentioned FluMom, manual tools and items not using power will be very useful. Humankind did survive for thousands of years without electricity and still can.

One very important part would be preparing for a sudden stretch of very cold weather, perhaps as much as -30 degrees F.  If it gets cold enough you will need to melt water even to drink it.  As John Ray and I discussed in West Virginia - in such states you can "mine" coal from a hillside where veins are visible. A heater can be made as well as wood burning stoves to cook with.

Given some real indications that the Gulf Stream may dilute those who prepare, have more than a weeks food which in some cities people often do not, have a better chance.

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Originally posted by carbon20 carbon20 wrote:

if/when  the "global conveyer" stops we could be deep into an ice age " with 10 years,

and that could last 10,000 years ,

i believe thats where we will be ,global warming means to me 

an ICE AGE  coming , best move to Australia.....

as i did ....




Carbon 20 - I am very interested in looking at what an Ice Age would be like in Australia or what it was like.  Take a look at this if you would -

http://creation.com/australian-ice-age-animal-extinction

Most large mammals and birds went extinct at the end of the Ice Age, but Australia was the hardest hit of all the continents, with 90% going extinct. Uniformitarians try to explain this via two different hypotheses: either they went extinct because of climate change—the overchill hypothesis, or humans hunted them to extinction—the overkill hypothesis. However, there are numerous problems with these explanations in general and in their specific applicability to the Australian extinctions. From a biblical perspective, severe drought at the end of the Ice Age is likely the primary factor that caused the severe extinction event of the large animals in Australia.

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As I seriously begin working on The Coming of the Ice Age (also) A Survival Manual - it is amazing how much really solid evidence we are about to have some very cold temps in northern U.S. and Europe as Arctic Vortexes come down and the Gulf Stream currents begin to dilute and no longer heat our lands.

This is rather long - but there are some great animation sequences displaying and explaining how this all works and why is will happen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wafHA7H_qg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxufAjBnbbk

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i believe the Ice sheets didnt get to cover Australia,i would take a guess that we dried out ,

as  most of the the planets water would be caught up in the ice sheets,

after all Anteartica is the one driest places on the planet,

not 100% on that, best guess.....

have to research it Wink
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Did a Google Search,while traveling to worrk ,on climate in Australia during the last ice age,yes we dried out ,most of forests went so guess animals went to hence the 90% loss
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Average Arctic temperature in Svalbard 'could end up above freezing for first time in history'

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The Arctic archipelago of Svalbard has seen such extreme warmth this year that the average annual temperature could end up above freezing for the first time on record, scientists have said. 

Ketil Isaksen of the Norwegian Meterological Institute said that the average temperature in Longyearbyen, the main settlement in Svalbard, is expected to be around 0 Celsius (32 Fahrenheit) with a little over a month left of the year. 

"This is a little bit shocking," Isaksen said. "If you had asked me five or 10 years ago, I could not have imagined such numbers in 2016." 

The normal yearly average in Svalbard, an island group midway between the North Pole and continental Norway, is minus 6.7 C (20 F) and the warmest year until now was 2006, when the average temperature in Svalbard was minus 1.8 C (29 F), Isaksen said. "Svalbard is a very good spot to show what's happening in the Arctic at the moment," he said, noting that each of the past 73 months has been warmer than average. The rising temperatures in the Arctic are affecting permafrost and snow cover as well as the amount of sea ice, which this year was the second-lowest on record. Isaksen said the sea ice is building up much slower than normal as winter approaches."There are still huge areas in the Barents Sea and Kara Sea to the east of Svalbard that are free of ice," he said. "They should normally be ice-covered." 

Several studies show the world as a whole is on track for a new heat record this year, with the El Nino weather phenomenon adding to the underlying warming trend. More about:
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Carbon - another factor rarely mentioned that relates to the chart you posted is the discovery in the early part of the 20th century of the process that allows natural gas to be used in the production of fertilizer. It has basically fueled the explosion in human populations by allowing us to grow far more food than was previously possible.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/the_efficient_planet/2013/03/nitrogen_fixation_anniversary_modern_agriculture_needs_to_use_fertilizer.html
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Flumom, even in an ice age you could still grow sprouts (sprouted seeds, not Brussel Sprouts). You can grow these in 4 - 5 days indoors and they are about the most nutricious food you can get. We love them in our house and have 3 sprouters. Seeds can be stored for years.
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I used to sprout different beans and seeds, and they grow so fast that I would end up with a surplus and have to freeze them. The water that runs off makes other plants grow too - it's packed with nutrients.


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[QUOTE=jacksdad]Carbon - another factor rarely mentioned that relates to the chart you posted is the discovery in the early part of the 20th century of the process that allows natural gas to be used in the production of fertilizer. It has basically fueled the explosion in human populations by allowing us to grow far more food than was previously possible.

yes Jacksdad ,looking back was it a good thing??,

all its done is enable people to have more kids who will never have a job or be able to read and write and

 the land that they grew up on wasnt able to support then 30 years ago, now added to climate change we

 have a mass movment of people ,going where????? 

most people dont know the reason the USA and the world needs a stable oil supplly is without it we

 wouldnt be able to grow crops..... and that ability is sadly diminishing
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Originally posted by carbon20 carbon20 wrote:

yes Jacksdad ,looking back was it a good thing??,


Nope. Definitely nope. It would be a good thing if we had the sense to limit our population and bask in the knowledge that we could produce a surplus if we wanted to. Instead, we decided to allow our population to increase to the new level of food production - or more if you consider the number of people that go to sleep hungry. Not the brightest species.


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Thanks guys, I have sprout seeds but need to purchase more since they are cheap. I have put in as much as I can for cold weather and to be able to cut trees and chop ice in lakes to get water.

Just keep accumulating hand tools to be able to live back in pioneer times.
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It has been raining all night and actually for days here in California. There isn't much on the news as I hear the sounds of a downpour more intense than anything I have heard for decades. We continue on a path of Gulf Stream dilution as the ice cap and glaciers melt and we are long over due for another drop of a polar vortex. Snow recently fell in Tokyo for the first time in more than 50 years.

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There is an American professor touring NZ at the moment and he's saying that the human race only has 10 years to live due to out of control temperature rising. I laughed at first but have just read one of his papers in full and have to say he makes a persuasive argument. It's lengthy but interesting. 

His name is Guy McPherson and this is his paper. 


Here is a clip of him on our breakfast tv show

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Polar Vortex is the name given to the sudden blast of Frigid Arctic Air descending on North America.
TEMPERATURE WARNING: FREEZING COLD AIR will descend to between Zero 0 Degrees Fahrenheit and -25 Degrees Fahrenheit.  Updated Dec.3/16
This is forming NOW and is forecast to descend upon mid-North US by Wednesday December 7, 2016
It will then move steadily across the entire USA, bringing cold temperatures with it.
Record Breaking Temperatures are possible, including Dangerous Wind Chill Values.

Many internet and TV sites do NOT even have this on their map to warn you yet.
(Go Figure. They are too busy making up FAKE NEWS.  cnn could care less about you!)

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