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Posted: March 24 2015 at 2:47pm |
This was on 9 news written by Steve Reilly, USA Today:
Bracing for a big power grid attack: 'One is too many' About once every four days, part of the nation's power grid — a system whose failure could leave millions in the dark — is struck by a cyber or physical attack, a USA TODAY analysis of federal energy records finds. Although the repeated security breaches have never resulted in the type of cascading outage that swept across the Northeast in 2003, they have sharpened concerns about vulnerabilities in the electric system. A widespread outage lasting even a few days could disable devices ranging from ATMs to cellphones to traffic lights, and could threaten lives if heating, air conditioning and health care systems exhaust their backup power supplies. Some experts and officials fear the rash of smaller-scale incidents may point to broader security problems, raising questions about what can be done to safeguard the electrical grid from an attack that could leave millions without power for days or weeks, with potentially devastating consequences. "It's one of those things: One is too many, so that's why we have to pay attention," said Federal Energy Regulatory Commission Chairman Cheryl LaFleur. "The threats continue to evolve, and we have to continue to evolve as well." An examination by USA TODAY in collaboration with more than 10 Gannett newspapers and TV stations across the country, and drawing on thousands of pages of government records, federal energy data and a survey of more than 50 electric utilities, finds: • More often than once a week, the physical and computerized security mechanisms intended to protect Americans from widespread power outages are affected by attacks, with less severe cyberattacks happening even more often. • Transformers and other critical equipment often sit in plain view, protected only by chain-link fencing and a few security cameras. • Suspects have never been identified in connection with many of the 300-plus attacks on electrical infrastructure since 2011. • An organization funded by the power industry writes and enforces the industry's own guidelines for security, and decreased the number of security penalties it issued by 30% from 2013 to 2014, leading to questions about oversight. Jon Wellinghoff, former chairman of the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, said the power grid is currently "too susceptible to a cascading outage" because of its reliance on a small number of critical substations and other physical equipment. USA TODAY When the lights go out Because the nation's electrical grid operates as an interdependent network, the failure of any one element requires energy to be drawn from other areas. If multiple parts fail at the same time, there is the potential for a cascading effect that could leave millions in the darks for days, weeks or longer. "Those critical nodes can, in fact, be attacked in one way or another," Wellinghoff said. "You have a very vulnerable system that will continue to be vulnerable until we figure out a way to break it out into more distributed systems." 'A GAME CHANGER' Some of the worst fears of those in charge of the power grid's security came true shortly before 1 a.m. on April 16, 2013, when unknown attackers unleashed a coordinated attack on Pacific Gas & Electric's Metcalf substation in northern California. The attackers severed six underground fiber-optic lines before firing more than 100 rounds of ammunition at the substation's transformers, causing more than $15 million in damage. The intentional act of sabotage, likely involving more than one gunman, was unlike any previous attack on the nation's grid in its scale and sophistication. Yet officers did not begin investigating the scene until hours after the shooting took place. Security footage from the shooting is grainy. The attackers were never caught. Power was not lost, but the nature of the Metcalf attack sent shock waves through the industry. "Shooting at substations, unfortunately, is not uncommon," Sue Kelly, president and CEO of the American Public Power Association, an industry group, said of the incident at a Senate hearing last year. "But this incident demonstrated a level of sophistication not previously seen in our sector." At a California Public Utilities Commission meeting last year to review the incident, PG&E senior director of substations Ken Wells said the Metcalf attack was "a game changer." "No doubt about it, …this event caused us and the entire industry to take a new and closer look at our critical facilities and what we can do to protect them," Wells said. USA TODAY Power grid security fears surge since 2003 blackout Following the attack, FERC directed the industry to write new rules for physical security. The rules, finalized in November, require utilities to identify critical infrastructure that could be vulnerable to attack and come up with security plans. But the new policy drew concern because it does not give FERC authority to independently choose which facilities are critical, leaving the decisions in the hand of industry. Wellinghoff said while he is glad the new policy is in place, the lack of authority for FERC "could be a loophole that could miss some aspects of the utility infrastructure that are critical." Also as a result of the Metcalf incident, PG&E said it would invest $100 million over three years on new security around many of its critical facilities, including better security cameras, fencing and lighting. Yet records from hundreds of other attacks in recent years show similar weaknesses still exist at thousands of electric facilities across the country, allowing repeated breaches. 'SO BADLY BROKEN' Between 2011 and 2014, electric utilities reported 362 physical and cyberattacks that caused outages or other power disturbances to the U.S. Department of Energy. Of those, 14 were cyberattacks and the rest were physical in nature. Among the incidents: • In 2011, an intruder gained access to a critical hydro-electric converter station in Vermont by smashing a lock on a door. • In 2013, a gunman fired multiple shots at a gas turbine power plant along the Missouri-Kansas border. • Also in 2013, four bullets fired from a highway struck a power substation outside Colorado Springs. No suspects were apprehended in those three incidents. Federal data show such attacks are not rare within the sprawling, interdependent network of transformers, power lines and other equipment that make up the electrical grid. Often, such incidents are shrugged off by the local police who initially investigate. In March 2013, security officers at the Jacksonville Electric Authority in Florida noticed a man climbing a fence surrounding St. Johns River Power Park, which produces energy for 250,000 northern Florida households. The man fled when approached, Jacksonville Electric Authority spokeswoman Gerri Boyce said, and was later observed trying to enter a second facility. He fled again and was never caught. Nobody filed a police report, according to Jacksonville Sheriff's Office documents. SMALL COMMUNITIES AT RISK TOO Federal records show it is not just large communities that are at risk of attack. Even small, rural utility companies have been subject to foul play. After a 2011 cyberattack struck the Pedernales Electric Cooperative — a non-profit utility that serves about 200,000 customers across a vast agrarian region of Texas — the utility's CEO, R.B. Sloan, shared his surprise with the utility's board of directors. "You would think if they really wanted to have an impact, they would go for something (else)," he said in a public meeting. Sloan said at the time that the utility filed reports with the Department of Energy and FBI, but he was concerned about the way they handled it. "It's obvious to us that some of the regulatory bodies are not well-equipped to accept these and follow up," he said during the 2011 meeting. "I think this event has made that very apparent." Now an executive for a Georgia utility software company, Sloan declined to discuss the attack. While the Department of Energy received only 14 reports of cyberattacks from utilities over the past four years, other reporting systems show rising cyberthreats. The branch of the Department of Homeland Security that monitors cyberthreats received reports of 151 "cyber incidents" related to the energy industry in 2013 — up from 111 in 2012 and 31 in 2011. It is uncertain whether the increase is due to more incidents or an increase in reporting. Scott Aaronson, senior director of national security for the Edison Electric Institute, a Washington, D.C., group representing electric utilities, said it's difficult to draw trends from figures reported by utilities because of loose definitions of what constitutes a cyber incident. |
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This is just coming to light to the public??? Guys, I worry about no gas in a situation like this. If gas was not so dangerous to stock I would stock it. Why gas...it will make getting water easier if I can transport water in a car rather than walking 3 miles to and back to water.
I hope people pay attention to this article because this will be an easy way for our countries enemies to attack us! People better prep for taking care of their families for weeks while they fix the grid. |
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I think the implications are even greater than you've outlined. The biggest problem with the grid going down is that petrol stations will not be able to pump diesel and petrol, and that will shut down the transport system, that coupled with all the stock supply and ordering systems going down at the same time.
My local supermarket gets 5 deliveries a day. That's five trucks. They have no stock room, it all goes straight from the pallets to the shelves. No body places an order for these deliveries. Instead as peoples shopping goes through the checkout, the main computer that runs the shop just constantly re-orders. If there is no fuel, and therefore no trucks, there will be no food in the shops, and in a matter of days there will be civil unrest. |
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great post FluMom many thanks !!! and just a reminder When Trucks Stop,America Stops (I STRONGLY suggest everyone read this) http://www.trucking.org/ATA%20Docs/What%20We%20Do/Image%20and%20Outreach%20Programs/When%20Trucks%20Stop%20America%20Stops.pdf 100 Items to Disappear First http://www.thepowerhour.com/news/items_disappearfirst.htm |
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Massive Blackout Hits Turkey, Grounding Planes, Stopping Subways; Terror Not Ruled Out http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-31/massive-blackout-hits-turkey-grounding-planes-stopping-subways-terror-not-ruled-out |
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Authorities in Turkey are investigating a possible terror attack - with fingers being pointed at Iran -as the reason for a mass electricity blackout across several provinces, authorities announced.
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Bad that power went out...worse if it was Terrorist! Not surprised...get ready folks it can happen at any time to any country.
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Not an answer to the question of why the cuts, but some idea of the extent is given here:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32130567
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Major power outage throughout northern Holland http://rt.com/news/244537-power-outage-north-holland/ |
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Thanks, FluMom. I saw that they are finally acknowledging the attack on the Metcalfe power station (San Jose, CA) as a terrorist act.
That was the one where shooters were blasting away at the transformers using small-diameter rifle rounds, allowing the transformer oil to leak slowly, leading to failure. Diabolical. There are bigger problems with a grid collapse than gas stations. All of your water/wastewater treatment will likely go down. There are some backup generator systems, but these treatment works are one of the largest consumers of electric power in the country. Grid goes down, bend over & kiss it goodbye!
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Sewage back up is something NO ONE wants to talk about but since I have been on this forum I bring it up all the time. When the power goes out so does the waste pumping stations. Poop will back up!
I have purchased "Dynamite Plugs" or plumbing plugs for all of my pipes. The drain in the basement I have purchased 2 just in case I can put one lower and one higher. But that being said you need one for each of your toilets and all of your sink drains. Yes you have to cut the pipe from the drain to the wall but it is better than poop coming up your sinks. In England they have a device that goes into your toilet to prevent sewage backing up into the toilet and house. Me I am going to put in a plug and hope it holds. People get those plugs they are cheap at Home Depot or Lowes. |
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The best method of stopping sewage from coming back into a house is to fit a non return value at the point where the sewage pipe comes under your boundary fence (there should be an access point here).
When the Christchurch earthquakes hit here and the city was without electricity or water for weeks on end, the sewage system was severely ruptured and in the weeks that followed, many people had blow backs shooting out of their toilets. Some were so strong that they would throw a concrete block off the lid and the sewage would still hit the ceiling. Water companies don't want you to have a non return valve because it is cheaper for them to redecorate your home than it is to dig up the sewage pipes in the street. If everyone had a non return value then in the event of a blow back or major back up to the system then the underground pipes would rupture and crack under pressure. So they are happy for everyones house to be ruined instead. I know this from actual dealings with a water company when I was helping them with an emergency situation after a huge storm had cut all power and access. We had a non return valve fitted on our last house by offering the plumber a cash in hand deal to illegally put one in, which he did quite happily. I don't have one in my new house as we have a stand alone worm run septic tank system going it and it would be impossible for it to flow backwards into the house.
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Thanks, FluMom! You've done a great job of sounding the "water and wastewater alarm." I was a contributing author to this, and we did consider the collapse of the grid or attacks upon the power infrastructure in 2006: If we lose power for any significant period of time, all of our cities will turn into giant Carnival cruise ships!! Make sure you have friends in the countryside who will be willing to host you, probably in exchange for perimeter defense. |
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So am I correct when I say that the lowest homes will fill up with sewage first?
I am higher than most homes but it will get to me sooner or later. That is why I have the plugs. I do not know how to avoid living in my home can't afford a place in the country. That being said CRS, DrPH in your experience is there anything we can do to avoid sewage in our homes? I am planning to do a neighborhood out house in the park across the street. It will be away from houses and we have plenty of people to dig it really deep so we all can use it. The park is downhill from all our houses and there are no houses below us. Would appreciate any suggestions. |
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If the power goes out then in most cases the ability to pump water uphill will go out with it. Though in many cases water will have already been electrically pumped into retainment tanks that will still provide preasure until the tanks run dry which will be rather quick. But the bottom line is if the power goes out then so too will water delivery and therefore the sewer systems cannot backfill by very much without water. In any case, if the power goes out, sheltering in place after just a few days will not be an option for almost all people...in search of water and food. The luckiest of the unprepareds just may be the ones who do get some sewedge-backup treatable water.
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FluMom- If you're going to use a privy/outhouse, You need to buy a 50lb bag of lime. Instead of flushing, apply a cup of lime after every use. It cuts down on smell and flies, however it may slow decomposition which reduces the life of your privy. Remember, You can never dig an outhouse deep enough!
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Buy more ammo!
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Flumom, after the earthquakes here, thousands of outhouses were dug (they are called long drops here). Almost every inner city home with a garden had one. There were no incidents of disease as a result. People used dry soil to cover their deposits and when the long drop was full, they dug another one a few feet away.
Because water was in short supply (from bowsers set up every couple of streets) people were advised to operate a two bucket handwashing system. Basically you put two buckets on your back step and then after you've used the loo, you dip your hands in bucket number 1 to wet them, then you soap up, then you rinse in bucket number 1 and then rinse again in bucket number 2. It works. The best people could do here was to weight down the lid of their indoor toilet and hope for the best. Some of your loo plugs would have been very well received. Not every house had a blow back. Only a handful. Here is a link to a website showing some of the improvised toilet facilities that people built in Christchurch. Enjoy. |
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FluMom,go ahead and build the outhouse now,with all of the help that you can get and no one shooting at you.Johnray1
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KiwiMum,the two bucket hand cleaning system sound very good and practical to me. Just be sure that everyone uses it. If anything real bad happens,after all of the crazies have been dealt with,disease will be our biggest enemy.Johnray1
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Here's a quick cautionary tale about non return values. We are in the middle of a severe drought where I live and we have 3 x 30,000 litre water tanks that are all linked together. Thank heavens we put non return values between them because yesterday I discovered a mushy piece of land and followed it back to the top tank only to discover a value has given out leading to some irrigation and in the space of about 36 hours the entire tank has emptied into the paddock. If we didn't have non return valves then all three tanks would be empty and we'd be in alot of trouble!
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There is another way to plug your sewer system before it gets into your house. Locate your sewer cleanout which should be fairly close to your house and should have a pvc cap on it. Get 2 40 lbs bags of mortar mix and mix about 1/3 of a five gallon bucket full so that the mortar is not quite liquid but not solid by any means. You want the mortar to run a bit but not flow like water. Simply pour it down your sewer clean out and keep repeating the process every 30 minutes(which gives the mortar time to set up) until the two bags are gone. This will effectively block your sewer line for good as the mortar builds up in the pipe with each bucket full plugging it. You should be able to look down the clean out with a flashlight and see the mortar build up in the sewer clean out which is a good thing as the sewer clean out itself will act as thrusting to prevent the plug from moving. This is a long term permanent solution to preventing a sewer backup from the main line sewer. |
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I talked to my plumber about a non return valve and he said that they are a pain to have in your sewer line because "stuff" gets caught and then the valve does not work. Then the "stuff" can cause a back up too. So I have dumped that idea...get it dumped.. LOL.
Anyway I am sticking by my plug idea. One of you said that the water will stop which it will so maybe no water no sewage back up...hoping. Great idea on the two bucket system for washing hands thanks KiwiMum! I would add a touch of bleach to bucket 2 that would help also. And thanks for the confidence in the out house idea. Arirish, I would use the ash from my fire place and dirt but I will get some lime and put it in a big 5 gal. bucket for future use. I will dry the dirt we dig out and then, I think I will mix ash/dirt/lime in a bucket for all to use to cover poop. You guys have great ideas! |
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If you cut and saw your own wood you could use the sawdust as well. |
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You may also want to review your local ordinances as outhouses are illegal in most of Colorado and must be lined where permitted. Of course if the power and water goes out then so too will the enforcement of much of anything. But in good times watch out for a pickle.
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Yep I would be sawing my own wood if TSHTF so good idea Oneflewover! Believe me I will not be digging unless we need it. Doubt at that time anyone would stop me with no toilets!
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At the moment the only toilet we have is a composting one (until our new house is finished and then we'll use a flushing one) and we use sawdust to cover our deposits. The larger the flakes the better. If you buy it by the scoop (as in a bobcat scoop) from a landscape supplies company you'll get a dense small particle product which is no good for keeping down smells, absorbing urine or keeping away flies. The best bet is to find a local woodworking company that uses untreated timber and they will give it away for nothing. In fact they struggle to get rid of it.
I get mine from a local furniture manufacturer in giant sacks that need to be loaded into my truck with a forklift. I unload it using my children, shovels and wheelbarrows and the only condition to it being free is that I return the sack by the next day. You could very easily store this sawdust indefinitely so long as you keep it dry. If it gets damp it will start to compost. We store ours outside in wool sacks that are sitting on pallets to keep them off the damp earth. Then we put a sheet of corrugated iron over the top of the sacks and weight it down with bricks. It stays perfectly dry like this, even through the winter.
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"NASA is warning that there’s a 12 percent chance an extreme solar storm will hit Earth in the next decade, sending out massive shock waves that would knock out grids across the world. The economic impact of this doomsday scenario could exceed $2 trillion — or 20 times the cost of Hurricane Katrina, according to the National Academy of Sciences. NASA first made this warning in 2009, when a study it funded detailed what might happen to our high-tech society in the event of a super solar flare — essentially the equivalent of bad space weather. An extreme geomagnetic storm would follow, melting copper windings of transformers at the heart of many power distribution centers." https://theextinctionprotocol.wordpress.com/2015/04/05/new-film-highlights-nasas-warning-of-a-potential-solar-armageddon-that-knocks-out-power-grids-across-the-globe/ |
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The EMP Threat: All It Would Take Is A Couple Of Explosions To Send America Back To The 1800s http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/the-emp-threat-all-it-would-take-is-a-couple-of-explosions-to-send-america-back-to-the-1800s "What would a successful EMP attack look like? The EMP Commission, in 2008, estimated that within 12 months of a nationwide blackout, up to 90% of the U.S. population could possibly perish from starvation, disease and societal breakdown." "In previous articles, I discussed a recent Federal Energy Regulatory Commission report which stated the following… |
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Satori, I am not intending to insult you,but I simply do not believe the reports that an EMP would cause a complete collapse of the us grid and I will tell you why I do not believe it.
When little was know about the real power of Atomic weapons,the US explode many bombs near Las Vegas. Some were 65 miles from Las Vegas and some were just 35 miles from Las Vegas. My distances may not be correct but they are close. I have talked to many people who were there when the Atomic bombs were exploded and there was not even one instance of the power grid going off in Las Vegas. So how is one Atomic Bomb suppose to knock out the whole US power grid when many Atomic bomb did not even make the lights blink in one city,Las Vegas,that was very close to the explosion.. People in Las Vegas were told either directly or in directly when a test explosion was going to happen. They would actually gather up to watch the fire ball from miles away,but no ever lost any power.Johnray1 |
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those tests were conducted essentially at ground level there is a BIG difference when a nuclear weapon is air burst EMP effects are well documented at this time http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starfish_Prime |
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Sarori,I know that the things that you say here are true. But,I also know that one Nuke at high altitude,will not take down our entire grid.I am also trained in this type of warfare and the effects of a Nuke at any altitude are grossly over stated. This over stated belief came from a combination of the US and the USSR announcements to the public, were put out to scare the sh** out of Americans and the USSR public so that the USSR and the US were in a better a position to milk more money out of our tax system and their tax system.For each countries survival. The USSR(Russia) has always believed that a Nuclear War was win able.It still is. The casualties are far above any thing that us Americans would tolerate,but in the words of the USSR" we would only lose about 110 million people" and that was and it still is acceptable to Russia.
Russia is a dieing nation. They only have 10 live births for every 16 deaths in their nation. So they are slowly dieing off as a nation due to their pollution and disregard for human life. So they are in a sense,backed into a corner, the only way that they can win and survive is to kill off millions(billions) of non Russians. They have nothing to lose and they might gain a lot.That is why they are so dangerous to the world right now.That is the same reason that us the(US) should make a first Nuclear strike now. Because the Russians are a wounded animal that is backed into a corner and that makes them very dangerous. That is why they will use Nukes,if they have to,in order for them to maintain their position in the world. We need to stop this for the world to survive, as we know it. Johnray1 |
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Commission to Assess the Threat to the United States from EMP http://empcommission.org/reports.php |
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National power grids hit by cyber terrorist onslaught http://www.itproportal.com/2015/04/07/cyber-terrorists-target-national-power-grids/ |
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The North American Aerospace Defense (NORAD) shift to the Cheyenne Mountain base in Colorado is designed to safeguard the command's sensitive sensors and servers from a potential electromagnetic pulse (EMP) attack (AFP Photo/)
Washington (AFP) - The US military command that scans North America's skies for enemy missiles and aircraft plans to move its communications gear to a Cold War-era mountain bunker, officers said. The shift to the Cheyenne Mountain base in Colorado is designed to safeguard the command's sensitive sensors and servers from a potential electromagnetic pulse (EMP) attack, military officers said. http://news.yahoo.com/us-aerospace-command-moving-comms-gear-back-cold-015320113.html |
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onefluover,smart move. I just hope that they are not to late.Johnray1
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I thought NORAD was stupid for moving out of Cheyenne...so I was right! Now they are moving back in...I figured they would finally figure it out that they were safer there!
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Yup,Somethings NOT right,for them to be doing that!Right Johnray, hope they aren't to late!
Why is the military moving back into 'Stargate' base deep under the Rocky Mountains a decade after it was abandoned? Cheyenne Mountain Complex being refurbished by Pengaton High tech communications being installed that are impervious to electromagnetic pulses The bunker is build under 2,000 feet of the Rocky Mountains and is able to withstand a hit by a 30 megaton nuclear blast Decommissioned 10-years ago because 'the Russians were no longer a threat' The Pentagon last week announced a $700 million contract with Raytheon Corporation to oversee the work for North American Aerospace Command (NORAD) and US Northern Command. Admiral William Gortney, head of NORAD and Northern Command, said that 'because of the very nature of the way that Cheyenne Mountain's built, it's EMP-hardened.' Read more: [link to www.dailymail.co.uk] Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook |
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The 100-Year Geomagnetic Storm and The Electric Grid – Part 1, by Tango Delta http://survivalblog.com/the-100-year-geomagnetic-storm-and-the-electric-grid-part-1-by-tango-delta/ "When I asked the director of a metropolitan utility how much fuel he had onsite for pumps for the water system, the answer was “about two days”. The answer was the same for chemicals for water and sewage treatment. Our economy is based more and more on “just in time” delivery." hmm major cities out of water in 2 days I wonder how that will play out ??? |
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Exactly right, Satori- the way we've converted just about every supply chain to a "just in time" format is going to bite us on the backside so badly should any number of things befall us. We've become universally complacent despite the lessons history should have taught us.
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"Buy it cheap. Stack it deep"
"Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary. |
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The 100-Year Geomagnetic Storm and The Electric Grid – Part 2, by Tango Delta |
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Well said, Johnray1! Putin seems to be itching to start a full-on nuclear exchange, and you've spelled out the reasons very plainly. Putin has been flying his nuke-armed Bear bombers (of course they are armed, Russia would not waste the fuel to fly un-armed bombers) into European, Canadian and American territory for quite some time now. Putin has clear aims on the Arctic. Putin threatened our NATO ally Denmark (of all countries!) with nukes, continues with his proxy war in Ukraine, and is undeterred. I'm not sure I want to start the nuclear exchange with Russia however. We have no idea what China's reaction would be (gleeful dancing, probably), they might even intercede in a number of ways. We need Ronald Reagan back.
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'Mr. Walker said he had several portraits and a bust of Reagan in his home. “President Reagan’s influence is a key part of who I am today,” he said. “He was more than just a Republican or even a conservative, he was an eternal optimist in the American people.” '
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/04/07/us/politics/2016-elections-scott-walker-ronald-reagan.html?referrer=&_r=0 |
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"And then there were none."
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CRS,DrPH,I understand what you mean.Johnray1
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Thanks, man! This is a good read, you'll see me in the "comments." A series of events during the past weeks have highlighted the fragile and vulnerable nature of the critical infrastructure upon which our economy and our national security depend. Manufacturers are good at making things, fixing things, and responding to a crisis. These are skills that are becoming less common in our society. Since the heavy lifting generally falls upon those strong enough to lift, perhaps it is time that manufacturers take a more active and responsible role in addressing the nation's critical infrastructure weaknesses. |
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CRS,DrPH,I agree that is time for our industrial and productive CEO's show them selves and start taking our country back. Remember what happen when Roosevelt turn Kiaser loose to produce greatly needed ships. He produced what was needed at the time ,without government or EPA interferace.That is what we need now.Johnray1
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