City Chaos
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Topic: City Chaos
Posted By: Guests
Subject: City Chaos
Date Posted: July 26 2006 at 11:52am
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From what little I've seen of the St Louis and New York recent problems
I can only imagine in horror what the cities will be like when the BF
hits. Imagine- no water, no sewage, no garbage pickup, no electricity,
no food no firetrucks, traffic jammed for miles, no ??/ I hear a lot of people in the city do not even cook at home meaning no food storage. In an apartment highrise how would you cook anyway? So the carnage would start within 24 hrs of services going down. They are predicting 2 million dead from the flu. How many from the general mess? Lets hear from the city folks- How are you going to survive this? |
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 26 2006 at 6:18pm
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Well OldasRocks, I plan on driving the twenty or so miles from where I live to where you live, then quite possibly we're going to take over the local WalMart. If not that one then we can take over the one in th etown I live in because it's got the food section.
I got a new job with a department *REALLY* close to where you live. Apparrently they're supposed to build a Cabelas in the town I work in, too, which I'm seriously looking forward to. We may very well take that over too. Problem with this area is that it won't be easy to take over stuff, everyone here, as opposed to Minneapolis, is ARMED!
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 26 2006 at 6:26pm
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Poprocks,
I completely share your concerns. I thought the exact same thing when I saw a major city like St. Louis without power for days! The only thing that kept things in line was the immediate presence of the MO National guard. Guess what, come pandemic time, most cities will be on their own. Many of our National Guard troops are overseas backing up our main forces and even if we were full strength at home, they would be a drop in the bucket for what will be needed to maintain civil functioning of our panic stricken citizens. Sort of like trying to catch smoke on a windy day!
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 26 2006 at 6:31pm
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Having grown up in NYC, New Yorkers are tough! They have gone thru several "training" sessions for this including blizzards, black outs and 911.
Disasters just seem to bring out the best in everyone. I remember one memorable blackout that lasted for days. The local deli's set up shop on the sidewalk and cooked over trashcan fires. They made food and gave it away for free. Folks ate well!
The Guardian Angels (Love those guys!) started patrolling the streets and became our block's personal police force. It was an amazing time when reality seemed suspended.
That being said, I do worry about my family still there. My sister's pantry is huge but pathetic! She has every type of vinegar known to man on one shelf. Another is given over to exotic spices. When I suggested she stock up on canned soups I was told they won't be caught dead with prepared soups -- too high in sodium and way too unhealthy. (And going without food isn't?)
God forbid they purchase a jar of peanut butter and jelly!
I think my siblings would have a collective heart attack if they saw what I've got stored away. Well only time will tell. We prep for the worst and hope for the best.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 26 2006 at 6:39pm
| Just wait until the post-pandemic cookbooks start hitting the shelves! |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 26 2006 at 7:10pm
| Well Turbo if you know where I live lets take over Marks office in town. He is a Class 3 dealer and has move firepower that Iran. Easy building to control and on the main town generator, has kitchen and a full basement. Know the building I'm talking about? I already told Glenn we are taking over the Wallmart. The generators only have enough fuel for 3 hrs so that is a problem. You may be wrong on where I live cause we have a Super Wallyworld with food also. If you are thinking Cabalas you are in Western Nebraska and that is 754 miles from me so fill the gas tank. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 26 2006 at 7:20pm
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I don't live in the city, but I did live in Chicago for a year. Yikes.....I ran back to Ohio real fast! I live in semi-country part of Ohio,near Amish country(part Amish myself). I would offer a safe refuge to anyone in the city if you could get here. A few conditions though.
1. You are in excellent standing with Albert.
2. Have to bring some of your own supplies.
3. You know how to rub two sticks together for a fire! Jk
 If we all pull together...no one in the big city need worry!
Just my thoughts! Blessings!
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 26 2006 at 7:21pm
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It will be a lot differant in NYC than you remember it.
Remember we are talking about a flu you die from. A lot of the National
Guard will be sick also. No air conditioned places to take people to.
People scared of being close to one another. No food available etc. Wthout the NG will St Louis stay in line? i doubt it as its one of the most deadly cities in the US now. The same for a lot of other cities. Vinegar soup? Might be healthy for you. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 26 2006 at 7:25pm
| rapture you able to house 250,000 exta people? I figure each farm family will have to house and extra 250,000 comparing the rural population to the city. Thats a lot of toilet paper. |
Posted By: outsidethecamp
Date Posted: July 26 2006 at 7:34pm
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The more self-sufficient one can become, the better. DH & I sold off everything we had to purchase a 1911 six bdrm., one bth. farmhse. Crazy??? Yes, we've been called that.... Secure? Yeah, more than most, these days... What have we done to prepare ourselves... Well, about a 12 mo. supply of "supplies" for a family of 10. Extras included. A 3 year supply of firewood to stoke our precious soapstone fireplace. About a one year supply of meds. Known, I might add.... & about.....24 years of prayer....we're gonna need it! May our precious Lord & Savior, Jesus Christ help us all... Peggy in.... soon to be frozen, MN |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 26 2006 at 7:38pm
| Oldasrocks just stay prepared and ignore those who are less prepared. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 26 2006 at 7:42pm
Was that meant for me???????
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Chloe wrote:Posted By: KOMET163
Date Posted: July 26 2006 at 7:55pm
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most urban areas will just fall apart and not do well. rural areas will have to abosrb the tidal wave of urban chaos. Many if not most rural residents willl defend their property with shotguns, rifles and assault rifles. If urban chaos breaks out then all bets are off,
simply put,
urban areas are hell and they will fall into chaos....
KOMET163 ------------- He who laughs last laughs hardest. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 26 2006 at 8:03pm
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Lets all go to outsidethecamps place. she seems to have it all together. Chloe, we have to study the non-prepared as they will be looking for food etc. Also we need to prepare for the long term after this is all over. my main worry is being able to run my AC. I picked a bucket of plums today if anyone wants to come help me make jelly. The catfish are getting big in the pond. I love to feed them and watch them eat. Yes Turbo that lump under my arm is a 45. So don't shoot me if you stop me for speeding I have my CCW. if you actually live near me we ought to get together. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 26 2006 at 8:09pm
| No Raptured that was NOT meant for you. Sorry guess I should quote the post I am replying to. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 26 2006 at 8:22pm
Ok...now I can go to bed and not worry I did something! |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 26 2006 at 9:22pm
| If this hits in the winter, wait till the "Ant Hill Apt" dwellers set the place on fire trying to keep warm. You think BF would be bad, how about uncontrolled fires sweeping through many if not most cities. |
Posted By: Samoa
Date Posted: July 26 2006 at 9:50pm
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I never thought of that...if people can't cope with a HEAT WAVE... In the immortal words of Bachman-Turner Overdrive,"B-B-B-Baby, You Ain't Seen Nuthin' Yet". |
Posted By: momasaurus7
Date Posted: July 26 2006 at 10:39pm
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I'm new here, so hello to all. I live in NY with a large family, and though we all pray that things don't get that bad. If it does...then all we can do is hope that what is left of man's moral code will hold. ------------- We must always fear the wicked. But there is another kind of evil that we must fear the most, and that is the indifference of good men. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 26 2006 at 11:30pm
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welcome momasaurus! I love your name! I do think that if we don't have a moral code, we'll get one fast. May have to dig deep, but I can't see people not pulling together on this one.
k105 - your post was hysterical! Maybe those exotic spices will come in handy for possum or squirrel meat with dandelion suffle on the side!
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 27 2006 at 3:52am
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I live in the city in pittsburgh but I have enough room for a mosest vegetable garden and a root cellar. I have included in my preps some items for barter that may appease or buy the loyalty of neighbors or marauders like extra powdered milk, beans, sugar and oil and enough rehydration salts for the whole neighborhood. I haven't yet purchased but am considering adding some cigarettes, whiskey and chocolate for the same reason.
My partner thinks I'm really crazy, but I have heard it said that in WW II europe "luxury items" like these items would buy you anything. any ideas what else might have value as a barter item? gardener momasaurus, I love your name, too |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 27 2006 at 4:09am
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You all forget it only takes one bad apple to spoil the whole bushel.
There will always be a few who try to take. This is why we need to be
prepped not only with food but with weapons. Why is it that NYC and DC lead the country in weapon deaths when it is not legal to own a weapon in these cities? Because the bad guys have guns. Barter items should only be used to that- barter-- if you try to appease the bad guys with cigs they will smoke them and then smoke you to get the rest of your stash. Moma you better go read the Forum part onself defense. Barter will only work with someone you already trust. Which president said "millions for defense and not one red cent for tribute" ? The whole country should follow that today but that is a whole differant Forum. AND DON'T FORGET PEOPLE!!! There are nut cases out there who burn stuff for fun. If some nut case decided he could burn NYC to the ground without getting caught he would try. or Rape or Rob or? The whole point I'm trying to make with this thread is you have to be ready to fight fire with fire. You CANNOT sit around and pray that "mans moral code will hold" Why would it hold then and not be holding now? |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 27 2006 at 4:54am
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Or the summer, and they have candles. If you have to rely on candles, I think its a good idea to buy stable candle holders, especially if you have children or just a large household. I have got these, and checked that my candles won't wobble in them. You can get a bit blase about candles if you have to use them for too long. Beth
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 27 2006 at 5:04am
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It is certainly true that items like cigarettes, nylon stockings and chocolate would buy you anything in wartime Britain. Or so my parents told me. I understand they were mostly used to buy sex.
I have never understood the concept of stashing stuff to barter. Why not use the space and the money to buy the stuff that you would be bartering it FOR? I suspect that if youoffered someone luxuries to prevent them from attacking you, they would find all the more reason to attack you because they would know you had the stuff they wanted. Both the basics adn the luxuries. I think a few luxuries for ourselves are a good idea. I can't see precious manufacturuing and transport facilities being used on chocolate or toiletries when the population was short of basics and even these were rationed. A few little extras would make a big difference to a long term bleak existence. Beth
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Posted By: brianages
Date Posted: July 27 2006 at 5:12am
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I am happy to say I had moved from the "Peoples Republic of California" 4 years ago and found paradise. Having been through earthquakes, fires, riots, and a divorce (most costly disaster), in Los Angeles I now fear nothing. Surviving the lawyers was the toughest fight!
LA would turn into Somalia within weeks of a major pandemic hit. We can only hope the lawyers perish first. I was so tired of city living we now live on an island which will probably end up being a great location in the event things get tough.
------------- Brian Ages - Tybee Island - GA |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 27 2006 at 5:17am
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Beth, I see barter items as covering me for needs I have not anticipated, services that I need to purchase, or alliances I want to foster. I hope I wouldn't need them to buy necessities. For instance, I may be quarantined at work for periods during the pandemic, and I have an aging grandmother at home who is afraid of being alone and needs help with small things, like moving supplies up from the basement and taking the garbage out.
Sure, It could be that luxuries lead to looting, but hungry people, I suspect, would be no less likely to break in for beans and rice. gardener |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 27 2006 at 5:33am
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Hey OldasRocks, I'm pretty sure you live in Lebanon and I now live in Camdenton. We're getting a new Cabelas just west of the Grand Glaize bridge in the town I work for. Knowing where the Grand Glaize bridge is, if you do, you should be able to figure out what city I now work for.
They want to build a new Cabelas because of the area around there, and the fact that they'll have lakefront property so they can sell more boats, fishing crap, and with the plethora of gun nuts here they'll be able to sell guns by the butt-load!
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 27 2006 at 5:43am
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Well Turbo we are neighbors. From you posts you seem like a decent
person. We need to get together soon. My wife has a kitten that she
thinks needs to go to the vet at Linn Creek today. My family owns the Lake Chateau motel. At least we own the mortgage. My sister teaches in the Beach and my brother is a plumber there. Yes I live north of Lebanon. My mom live off 54-49 E mail me oldasrocks@wildblue.net |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 27 2006 at 5:50am
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Gardener, be REAL careful in Bartering. Read some of the posts here. Cigs, coffee, salt, sugar, candy, toilet paper, bullets, The reason to have some extra stuff to barter is you never know exactly what your needs will be. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 27 2006 at 7:06am
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Posted By: strwberry
Date Posted: July 27 2006 at 7:25am
I live just outside Detroit and am planning on staying. I have nowhere else to go. It does frighten me to think what might happen when people are hungry, the extremes they will go to too survive. I don't have any bartering items, but have been stocking with the idea that my sister and her husband and daughter will come live here (since he doesn't believe a pandemic will come and have not stocked). This will make me feel a "bit" more secure because there are safety in numbers. Single mother of 3 just might not scare anyone.....
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 27 2006 at 8:48am
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Strwberry, NOTHING and NOBODY on this earth is more ferocious and deadly than a mother protecting her young!!! Get yourself mentally prepared for the fact you might have to do battle to save your children. Then look HARD at your home and surroundings. Where are your weak points?? What can you do to make them harder??
Personally, I believe a good weapon with the proper skills and lots of ammo is a good thing. Lots of people believe otherwise and I'm not here to preach, but, there are a lot of other types of weapons.
Predators are usually opportunistic and will go for the the softer target, so
make yourself an unattractive place to haunt.
PREP ON!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted By: momasaurus7
Date Posted: July 27 2006 at 8:50am
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Thanks to everyone about my name. It's from a cup my husband got me 18 years ago, when my first three were babies. It had a picture of a mama dinosaur with two babies in her arms, and said momasaurus. I still have it. Now I've had seven. that's why the 7. I haven't considered getting anything to barter with. it's enough just to get things we need. Don't really have for extras. I truly hope when this hits it won't be so bad. ------------- We must always fear the wicked. But there is another kind of evil that we must fear the most, and that is the indifference of good men. |
Posted By: momasaurus7
Date Posted: July 27 2006 at 8:51am
I totally agree. Having seven little ones of my own, and a new born grandchild. My first.  ------------- We must always fear the wicked. But there is another kind of evil that we must fear the most, and that is the indifference of good men. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 27 2006 at 8:55am
Moma, welcome aboard and congratulations on the happy event.
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Posted By: momasaurus7
Date Posted: July 27 2006 at 9:10am
thank you on both counts. ------------- We must always fear the wicked. But there is another kind of evil that we must fear the most, and that is the indifference of good men. |
Posted By: strwberry
Date Posted: July 27 2006 at 9:28am
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I agree Femvet, but I don't have the means to buy weapons (gun), barely have enough to continue to buy extra preps. I have talked with my 16 year old a little on how we can hide our preps, disguise them. He came up with quite a few spots I didn't even think of. I don't want to scare them so really haven't talked to them about protecting ourselves. I will when the time is right though.
I have thought about ways of making our home look more "unappealing". When it gets to a point I believe people are starting to roam.....I will empty my cabinets, but leave a few to look like we are at the end of our food supply. Maybe even look like one of us has the flu.....coughing, sneezing...etc.
You are so right about a mother protecting her young.........I am and will be prepared to fight, I'm just going to have to do it with the things around my home. My best defense is going to have to be a good offense.....look worse off than the ones coming around.....????
momasaurus7, Welcome..I like your name too.....For prepping...make a list and do what you can, even a little a bit a week will add up faster than you realize.
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Posted By: PATB
Date Posted: July 27 2006 at 9:55am
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I feel in control of stocking supplies, etc. but my biggest fear is home invasion. There is no way to stop a "gang" of determined invaders-and it will happen! we are close to Mexico border, 8 indian reservations with their own law, druggies and dealers shooting each other many times a week. I am not blowing this out of proportion. Every two people here owns guns, and it is not unusual to carry them on person in public (w/ permit). Soooo,
you can stop 1 or 2 but not a bunch. The shoot or don't shoot, feed or don't feed, run or stand is decision time. ------------- Pat |
Posted By: LoriCohen
Date Posted: July 27 2006 at 10:48am
| I'm new here too, though I've been lurking for several months. I live in the typical suburbs but I'm really concerned about what could happen here if we have no power or anything. Our houses are wired to the max, nothing works without electricity. Our fireplaces can't even heat our houses. We have no where else to go and, with 3 small children, I don't have the disposable income for a lot of extras. I have slowly been aquiring a pantry but I'm not doing well. Anyone have any advice for us in the 'burbs? |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 27 2006 at 11:03am
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LoriCohen,
Only thing I can think of (for safety) that I heard someone mention on the board in the past, is to make a large sign, which says "CAUTION-QUARANTINED" and if TSHTF you can stick that up in front of your house to help keep away intruders.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 27 2006 at 11:45am
| I have no weapons, but a good friend across the street has enough for our whole block. Since I'm a single mom, I hope we can get the guys to set up a neighborhood watch (or barricade if we have to) for our block. I don't have much in the way of barter items, but I always pick up an extra bag of rice at the store, figuring I'll have something to share if the need arises. I agree with gardener, though, that barter items could come in handy (and keep some money tucked away in case people are still wanting cash) - you may need someone who can fix a generator or chop wood or whatever. A great barter item would also be extra fuel, if you could afford it and have a place to store it. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 27 2006 at 1:01pm
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PATB, why do you live there??? I'd be packinga suitcase unless your are the meanest dog in the neighborhood. Lori, your main hope is your neighborhood. I've read many threads where neighbors have planned together. I'd be talking to the local wives. Reach out to them and ask them if they value their children- if the answer is YES then fill them in on potential problems- most wives rule the houses.-- potental for mutation is 1 in 10 by September according to W.H.O.-- odds of your house burning down in the next yr is 1 in 10,000-- Do you carry fire insurance?-ask them Getting ready has the right idea here of neighborhood watch--but be careful of bartering only with people you know and trust. |
Posted By: sweetpea
Date Posted: July 27 2006 at 2:17pm
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I think that keeping an open mind about how disasters can change people, your friendly neighbors could become very irate and bullying when they are in desperate situations (ex: run out of food). You should be able to rely on your "first" instinct when meeting up with people ~ today and in post-pandemic times ~ so that you and your family will remain safe. Prepare yourself now to deal with those issues. You can get weapons, yes ... but you have to accept that you are going to have to physicallyl harm someone who might just be looking for food, answers ... and/or, you could also have a half-empty cupboard you could take them to and give them ramen, broth, some canned beans ... and tell them you'll share what you have left. Also, be careful whom you tell about just how much "storage" you have. In my neighborhood ~ LDS members and Christians, people have had a tendency to tell them ... "I'll know where to come when I need food." We are good-hearted people, but that doesn't mean that we're just going to stand by and let them just take ... Like some people have been saying in the forum, you could just tell "them" you've got sick people ...
or, that you didn't believe in food storage, so now you just go and and forage whatever you can in the community (birds, cats, dogs, mice, bugs) and offer to share that! ...
anything to deter them that makes you look like you're also in a real messy situation ... some people just don't like to hang around and deal with messy issues. ------------- "When an emergency arises, the time for preparation is past." |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 27 2006 at 3:09pm
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Good Idea Sweatpea, Tell them you are having a Golden Retiever you
caught with a deadbird in his mouth for supper. You have used the bird
to make a delicious soup, flavored with those orange muchrooms you
found growing in the woods. We had to use dirty diapers to
make the fire hot enough but you will get used to the smell. Come on in and don't worry we have some garlic hanging up to ward off the evil spirits. AND dont' mind if we have to feed the youngsters two or 3 times because it just keeps coming back up. |
Posted By: sweetpea
Date Posted: July 27 2006 at 3:22pm
LOL ... now that sounds like I wouldn't want ta hang 'round ...  !!------------- "When an emergency arises, the time for preparation is past." |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 27 2006 at 3:49pm
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Well Sweetpea I was just following through on your idea. You may
save someones life with that suggestion. Rat on a stick. Deep fried
roaches, lizard and dumplings. Good for you.  |
Posted By: sweetpea
Date Posted: July 27 2006 at 5:15pm
 ... ummm, thanx ... I was telling DS alittle bit ago that if worse comes to worse, we do have plenty of quail and doves he could hunt 'round here ... he felt he'd be short-changed comparing their size to chickens ...
but I guess we all just have to be inventive about ways to deter unwanted guests ... as well as finding out-of-sight places to put our supplies!
------------- "When an emergency arises, the time for preparation is past." |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 27 2006 at 6:10pm
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I posted this somewhere else but it may help you not to have to look it up.
LTD commodities has several battery operated devices at very low rates.
Battery operated motion detectors to use outside or inside is only 11.90. They also have battery operated magnetic door/window alarms very cheap-- cheaper tahan Walmart or Costco.
Hope this helps.
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Posted By: Hotair
Date Posted: July 27 2006 at 6:31pm
| Sweetpea, I would eat quail and dove over chicken anytime. We have parrots and everyone in the neighborhood knows it so.... I just thought, if threatened, to display their empty cages on the porch. And put up a quarantine sign!! |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 27 2006 at 6:35pm
| Cheryl, I'm still looking for units that will detect people out at 200 yards. Any ideas? I want to catch them before they cross the fence. |
Posted By: sweetpea
Date Posted: July 27 2006 at 6:39pm
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LOL hotair ... that's a good one there! ------------- "When an emergency arises, the time for preparation is past." |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 27 2006 at 6:40pm
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Another excellent idea from HotAir!!! Look for cheap birdcages at flea
markets and garage sales. Round up a few feathers now for later use in
a and around the cages. I might have to adopt Sweetpea and Hotair. although I like my idea of throwing frozen chickens at them with a catapult better. Anyone know how to make a catapult? When we have to get rid of our chickens I thought about freezing them whole for later use. |
Posted By: Hotair
Date Posted: July 27 2006 at 6:44pm
| oldasrocks, you are hysterical! Oh, and, if you need feathers, come on over. I have bags!! |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 27 2006 at 6:49pm
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Thanks HotAir But we have 30 chickens and about 60 guineas.
I do think your idea has a lot of merit especially for some of these
ladies all by themselves. A cage and feathers is a good visual
deterrent. These are the kind of things that will help keep the good guys alive. Pat yourself on the back. Like I told the lady when she found out I have a CCW. As long as I take my medication every day I'm fine. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 27 2006 at 7:25pm
The good news is most people who have a gun permit have passed a backround check and are certified good guys.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 27 2006 at 7:44pm
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Dispenser, Some people think we are just Certifiable since we feel the
need to go around armed. How many times have you heard of people being
herded around like cattle because only one guy in the room had a knife
or gun? |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 27 2006 at 7:52pm
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oldasrocks - I'm glad my 13 young old isn't here - she would think her mother was crazy, sitting in the bedroom laughing hysterically. With the last post, all I could see was Monty Python and those catapults with the cows flying over the castle walls. Unbelievable. You need to take your act on the road!!!
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Posted By: brianages
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 2:08am
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oldasrocks- I'm with you on the being armed issue. Even without the bird flu looming around it is a wise move. Crime during the best of times can show up at a persons front door.
I have one neighbor who had to shoot an intruder and last month my wifes managers neighbor had to do the same. Both home invasion type incidents and both were on the mainland (Savannah area).
At this rate the area should run out of criminals. Neither survived the home owners greeting. ------------- Brian Ages - Tybee Island - GA |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 3:17am
I dunno. There are some wacky bastards that have CCW permits.
For instance: My neighbor must have just gotten his CCW permit because the idiot regularly walks outside his house with a pistol sticking out of his waistband and has put up signs in his yard and on one of his windows proclaiming this area as a gun zone because he's got a CCW. The whole point of Concealed Carry is to CONCEAL THE DAMN THING!
This guy's even got a metal badge that says, "Concealed Carry Permit" on it and it looks like an authentic police badge!
He's already pulled his gun on some of the local hoodlums because they were screwing around behind our houses. He and I had a long talk about that one.
Thus I must point out that quite a bit of emphasis must be put on "most people" because definately not all of them are certified good guys.
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Posted By: brianages
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 5:03am
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Sounds like the permit process failed with your neighbor. You might think of buying some cevlar. Your neighbor sounds a little too anxious, I would talk to him via the phone from now on. ------------- Brian Ages - Tybee Island - GA |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 6:42am
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old as rocks,
I went outside, put them up, the most I could get was 45 feet. I am glad you asked I am going to have to get many more and put closer together.
If you find one (battery operated) with more range would you let me know? I will do the same.
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Posted By: ShaRenKa
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 10:01am
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Got half my bk yard evergreens trimed up enough so I can see all of the privy fence. Man the BF dosnt scare me, nor does having to ration food for a while, heck not even old man winter hitting the back of my house...but the guy from 2 blocks away that didnt prepare? Now thats scary. I have very high morals..a spiritual soul, and I live by the Commandments, scares me to think I may end up seriously hurting or even killing someone to protect my family;( Wish I could swear this ain't gonna happen...only time will tell. ------------- Sha Ren Ka |
Posted By: Bill 100
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 11:09am
| ShaRenka, You have to put a string around your big toe, and the door knob. Plus learn to sleep with one eye open, that's the tricky part. lol just joking. What concerns me is the us government did a study a while back about how many killers they have put on the streets. Soldiers that have done one hitch and got out. They said, That with their military training, their natural switch, not to kill their own was turned off. They had the ability to pull the triger on their own kind. When it comes down to it, not everybody can, but they can. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 11:55am
Sure you can. You just need the right weapon and enough full high capacity magazines. Chances are if you drop the first 3 or 4, the rest will run anyway.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 12:08pm
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I'm an older woman and I believe in guns. I own more than one. I have a permit to carry a handgun. I have never shot a person but could if my home was being invaded. I have killed a lot of snakes.
Wal-Mart has a 12 gauge pump shotgun for about $176.00. They say it's a pretty good gun. It's affordable. My 12 gauge turkey gun was a very nice gift. It has the lighted sights which I will never use because it does kick a lot, so I don't shoulder it the way I do the 10 gauge. Just put it beside my waist and fire. If I had to stop someone I would aim towards the broadest part of that person (usually the chest). There is no way I'd attempt to raise a family in the city today without one.
Recently, I had a friend who lives in town wake up to find a man standing at the foot of her bed. He had scaled a two story wall and managed to get into her apartment window.The noise woke her but by that time he was in and she must have been in shock!. She happen to have $20. in her purse and he took that and left out the front door. It could have been much worse. Her grandchild sleeping in the bed, slept through it. Around the house I like a shotgun. Someone told me that pawn shops are good places to pick up a used one and the best time is toward the end of the month. You do not have to be a rocket scientist to use one. I raised a bunch of boys and taught them these rules. (A) Never bring a gun in the house loaded. (B) Keep the ammunition where you know where it is, but a small child would not be able to put the two together. Contrary to popular belief unloaded guns can't kill. People do. (C) Never raise a gun toward another human being unless you are ready to pull the trigger. (D) Never pull the trigger until you see what you're shooting at. It might be your brother. (E) Teach your children guns are not toys. They are for killing. You don't have to "take it apart" to clean it as often as I've seen some do (like playing with a toy). My oldest son was once a sharpshooter and trained young men for battle- taught me to just rub a little oil on it every once in a while and when it needs cleaning he'll do it. Good luck to all. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 12:19pm
| Maysday, I agree about a shotgun being essential for home defense. However, its length can be a pain. Most manufacturers have a legal "law enforcement" barrel of 18" available. My Remmington 870 has one that cost me about $120 through an auction site (the big one), and makes the weapon much more useful. I clean my guns once a month if they have been used or not. Florida humidity is terrible even with Damp Rid in the gun case. Its not playing, just preserving a valuable asset. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 12:45pm
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twoolf, my gun is a turkey gun with the shorter barrel. I think that's why it kicks so bad. I was taught to use a shotgun at a very early age (6 years)to protect my family but consider we were never allowed toy guns. So when I say it kicks, it kicks! My climate is much like yours and the cleaning I refer to is some people make an almost daily thing out of it. I've never had a gun to rust. The wiping it with oil once in a while tends to protect it but it's not handled a lot either so that may have something to do with it. It's been ages since the 10 guage was cleaned and it looks OK.
However, if I were some of these women and were given the choice of having a rusty gun or no gun at all guess what I'd do?
Hope this better explains my position. Thanks!
Good luck to all.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 12:48pm
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Turbo, It should be easy to find your house in Camdenton then.
Have you found mine? I gave you enough clues. When are you goingto come
down? You can say the right word to the sheriffs office about his pulling a gun on some kids and he won't have a permit anymore. Besides I told you I was Certifiable. |
Posted By: Bill 100
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 12:59pm
| You never know if you can pull a triger on a person until you do it. The military had to change their training because of the low percentage of soldiers that could pull the triger. During vietnam that percentage turned around into the 90's, because of training. Having a deer in your sights is totally different than a man. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 1:40pm
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"I like my idea of throwing frozen chickens at them with a
catapult better. Anyone know how to make a catapult?" My teen-age son builds trebuchets. It’s a homeschool kid thing - turn them loose with wood & tools and a trebuchet appears in the yard. The 14’ beast tossed large chunks of wood and bricks at least 100 yards. Shipping costs would kill you though.... |
Posted By: Bill 100
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 2:10pm
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[QUOTE=aurora]
"I like my idea of throwing frozen chickens at them with a catapult better. Anyone know how to make a catapult?" That one is easy I made one of them when I was a kid. You get a HUGE bra, and 2, 2x4"s. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 2:58pm
| aurora, Well just put the kid on a bus and ship him out. He'd go nuts in my shop. What is a trebushet anyway?????? I'll ship him home after he gets done building stuff. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 3:02pm
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Were you using full sized chickens in these Bill? I have not seen too
many bras that would hold a chicken. Where did you find bras that
big? Besides you are talking slingshot not catapult. If I had women that big around I would not need a catapult I'd just say Sic em. hey I never said I was nice. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 3:25pm
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Interesting thread. However, there seems to be some confusion about the safety of living in NYC. I lived in mid Manhattan for seven years and never had a problem. I think NY'ers are great people and always help each other out during disasters. Interesting table on crime rates in US Cities, note NYC rates as compared to others: http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004902.html - http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004902.html |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 4:46pm
I'll give you my ex-sister-in-laws address. She could equip allied forces Europe with her bras....................
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 5:03pm
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Trebuchets are cool - much more accurate than catapults. They are launchers that have a counterweight that swings a long arm with a sling. You pull the long arm down, load it with a projectile and let it fly in an enormous arc. They were used to lob things over the walls of castles during sieges in the Middle Ages. Attackers used trebuchets to throw huge stones (up to 400 lbs), dung or dead animals, the bodies of people who had died from the bubonic plague, flaming stuff, severed heads of enemy soldiers. They could also destroy sections of castle walls. Good picture http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trebuchet - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trebuchet *I asked son where he found the plans to build his. He said "No plans. I **You might see trebuchets throwing pumpkins now. heresy. ***Bras hadn't been invented in the Middle Ages. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 5:55pm
| I don't know, I think a huge slingshot might be better for frozen chickens. Maybe we can send this one to the "Mythbusters". |
Posted By: Bill 100
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 6:11pm
| lol, just trying to lighten things up a little. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 6:20pm
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hi oldasrocks,
not to worry- the people you are thinking will be a problem-
"Remember we are talking about a flu you die from."
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 6:22pm
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Diode, But what if the BF hits, no electricity in the city and its
running out of food. I'm not saying other cities will be better
or worse but using NYC as an example. How will people cook and dispose
of their garbage in high rises? I've seen pics of garbage strikes
there. If the BF kills as many as it might who will take care of
all the bodies etc. no just in NYC but other large cities as well. Thanks for the chart- very informative. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 6:32pm
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I think I have seen those on the History channel-= just didn't know
what they were called. I've got a friend who owns a junkyard I may have
to try to build a catapult. Sorry but they are cooler looking. Good idea Twoof, send them a letter. I'll send you a couple chickens Aurora, Nurture your sons ability. There are very few people left who know how to think things through. if you treat him right maybe he will take care of you when he gets to be a millionaire. Anharra, You mean they will die or I will? |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 6:57pm
Maybe we need to get the statistics chart for bra sizes in major metro areas. As for me, I'm afraid I'd have to go get some Cornish Hens - oh well....
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Posted By: sweetpea
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 6:59pm
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Didn't they have some of those catapults/trebuchets on "Kingdom of Heaven" ... there was also another movie (medievel/modern time travel ?) that used something similar to those as well ... heck, just sit the boys down in front of those movies and let them learn ...
Seems that war was so much more violent back when they fought with swords and such ... ------------- "When an emergency arises, the time for preparation is past." |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 7:37pm
Interstellar Catapults
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 7:43pm
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Gettinready:
Nice quantum accellerator. Not sure it would work for chickens unless you packed them with a heavy metal (lead, gold, dilithium etc). Looks similar to a device used in "Rogue star" by MIchael Flynn
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 8:09pm
| Cool, Please send as many chickens as you can packed in gold. I promise to try them out as soon as we build the catapult. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 8:24pm
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Don't you think the chickens will take offense with the name, though, since the "cat"apult could be confused with a feline delivery system? Maybe "poultapult" would work better. At least for the home version. I think we'd have to work on something a little more sophisticated for the interstellar one. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 8:39pm
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getting -very interesting but I think since the chickens will be dead
and frozen they will not be represented by an attorney.
Maybe PETA will intervene but will not worry about it as we can
lob a few infected ones their way. Of course cats are getting
this BF also but I don't think my cat- Olivia- would enjoy the
ride. We can form a committee and look into this. Please forward $168,000. for the meeting preparation fees. The first meeting will be to decide where and when to have the actual meeting. We will need an additional $768 million to have the actual meeting. Afte that expect a number of papers to be published ,at you expense, to try to decide this issue. I know now that you have decided not to quesiton this issue further but let it ride as originally planned but it is too late for that as the goverment is now involved. I'm sure the gas tax and cigarete tax will have to be raised to pay for this miscalculation on your part of questioning a name. But please do no seek medical help for your nervous condition as we will then have to raise your medical insurance premiums also. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 8:54pm
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I'm going to tell Tyson on you for thinking chickens don't have rights and feelings, too. In the meantime (since I'm now broke with all the latest tax and insurance increases), I be working on a bologna-and cheese-sandwich-a-pult, since that's all I have in the fridge anyway. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 9:08pm
| LMAO getting, you are funny. Come on over and we will feed you. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 9:21pm
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Ditto! This is the most fun I've had all day - thanks! Have to leave for the airport in 8 hours - guess I need to go pack, huh? Have a great weekend and don't foget to tell people to save their old bras.
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 9:42pm
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 29 2006 at 4:53am
I hear ya honey!
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Posted By: brianages
Date Posted: July 29 2006 at 5:14am
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I think for those living in the rural areas a "MANURE-A-PULT" would be effective.
There might be a market for "Manure Cannon Balls" being imported to the metro regions. A city dweller would surely run from a 10 pound lump of steaming manure being lobbed at them.
Might require a few "Double D's" being strapped together and 4x4's instead of 2x4's. The stuff is heavy when fresh! ------------- Brian Ages - Tybee Island - GA |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 29 2006 at 6:35am
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hey oldasrocks,
save the chicken poop!
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 29 2006 at 7:10am
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Like you gardener I live in a big city too, San Dieog, so I was thinking what I should purchase for the bartering,since we have major gang problems have to rack my brain here, chocolate naw,nylongs, maybe they could use those to pull over their heads for masks? now if I buy wiskey and cigarettes that could be good. All kidding aside, may sell house quickly, buy a good size boat and sit out on the bay and just let em knock each other off, anybody have some good tips on fighting pirates? all kidding aside just some saturday morning humor there, I don't think any of us can imagine how bad a city likes ours will be!
hugs everyone :o) although I do like the boat idea 
PS....and no gardener, I never got your email |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 29 2006 at 9:47am
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OK what have we learned? The best ideas I have seen are the bird
cages and loose feathers on the front porch with Quarantine signs. 2nd
is inviting people in for roast dog, rat or whatever was roadkill that
day. \ Bartering is a BAD idea. Except with people you already know and trust. PEBBLES25 forget trying to bribe the gangs. If they learn you have stuff they will take it from you. Use idea # 2 and invite them over for bird soup and roast dog. People are going to be cornered in the cities. The only thing that can be done there is neigbors to gang together and fight accordingly. Hopefully the gangs will die off after a period of time. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 29 2006 at 9:49am
| Oh in the meantime everyone gather up all the bras you can and ship them to Albert for redistribution. |
Posted By: Preddebflorida
Date Posted: July 29 2006 at 9:59am
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Well, am I glad that I stumbled on to this forum. Not!!
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 29 2006 at 10:03am
Aw, come on, were just having a little fun. Not every thread has to be gloom and doom.
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