Virus Treated Food
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Posted By: Mahshadin
Subject: Virus Treated Food
Date Posted: September 14 2006 at 9:27pm
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I just happened upon this and could not rsist. IS THIS FOR REAL
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FDA approves viruses to treat foodsPosted Aug 19th 2006 12:02PM by http://www.slashfood.com/bloggers/nicole-weston - Nicole Weston
The FDA imposed its strictest standards to scrutiny to this additive, developed by a company called Intralytix, and is confident that the bacteriophages are safe. The Department of Agriculture will regulate and supervise the use of the additive. A spokesman for the Office of Food Additive Safety at the FDA says that " consumers will not be aware which meat and poultry products have been treated with the spray." http://www.slashfood.com/2006/08/19/fda-approves-viruses-to-treat-foods/ - http://www.slashfood.com/2006/08/19/fda-approves-viruses-to-treat-foods/
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Another link same subject
http://www.supermarketguru.com/page.cfm/29882 - http://www.supermarketguru.com/page.cfm/29882
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The FDA has just approved the http://*********/2006/08/19/us/19viruses.html - a mixture of viruses , bacteriophages, to be used to kill bacteria commonly found in foods, marking the first time that a virus has been approved as a food additive. The mixture contains strains of six different bacteriophages designed to fight Listeria monocytogenes, the bacteria that cause listeriosis, a disease which sickens about 2,500 people per year and kills 500. Listeriosis primarily affects pregnant women, women who have just given birth and infants, in addition to other people who have weakened immune systems for one reason or another. The bacteria is found mostly in packaged, processed meat products, so the additive will be used on cold cuts, various sausages and other "ready to eat" meat products.Replies:
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: September 14 2006 at 9:43pm
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The FDA has just approved the a mixture of viruses, bacteriophages, to be used to kill bacteria commonly found in foods, marking the first time that a virus has been approved as a food additive.
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And did the FDA look for anything wierd in those viruses? And Viagra causes heart problems?...FDA also passed that...and Viox and...
 September 14, 2006
FDA Whistleblower Blasts New Merck PainkillerDr. David Graham, http://www.forbes.com/sciencesandmedicine/2004/12/13/cx_mh_1213faceoftheyear.html - whistleblower working within the confines of the FDA’s struggling drug safety offices, continues his public attack on the lack of safety condoned by the FDA. Graham believes that Merck’s new arthritis drug, Arcoxia, like Vioxx, poses undue cardiovascular risk. http://www.truthinwellness.com/ - http://www.truthinwellness.com/.......................................................................................
Don't buy it... irradiated foods didn't get bought either. .........................................................................................
"...to kill bacteria commonly found in foods..."
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How about keeping the gross bacteria cleaned off the Grocery Store belts we put our food on???
Why isn't the Board of Health looking into that?
Can you imagine that yuk in a restaurant? meat juices all over the counters? It's crazy.
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Posted By: Mahshadin
Date Posted: September 14 2006 at 9:49pm
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Based on our current understanding of virus replication, structure, and mutaion I find it hard to believe that our government would approve the use of a virus to suposidly help us. I think this is CRAZY
What in the world is going on!!!!!!!!! ------------- "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." G Orwell |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: September 14 2006 at 10:12pm
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http://www.newswithviews.com/Richards/byron7.htm - http://www.newswithviews.com/Richards/byron7.htm
FDA APPROVES VIRAL ADULTERATION OF OUR FOOD SUPPLY
By Byron J. Richards, CCN August 24, 2006 NewsWithViews.com On Friday, August 18, 2006, the http://*********/2006/08/19/us/19viruses.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin - FDA approved a viral cocktail to be sprayed on foods we eat. This is the first time viruses have been approved for use as food additives. The FDA wants you to believe it will be safe to consume these viruses every day for the rest of your life with no adverse health effects. This is a monumental announcement by the FDA, indicating they are throwing all caution to the wind regarding the safety of our food supply. Are you willing to stand in line for a virus-laden sandwich? How do you like the idea of buying virus-infested food for your family? The first virally contaminated foods entering our food supply with the blessings of the http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/%7Edms/opabacqa.html - FDA will be luncheon meat and poultry . Live viruses will be sprayed on foods such as cold cuts, sausages, hot dogs, sliced turkey, and chicken. At issue is the very real problem of a poor quality FDA-approved food supply that is already full of diseased and sickly animals, many of them imported from other countries. The use of antibiotics during growth and radiation during food processing is required by the fast-food animal farms owned by multi-national companies to cover up the horrendous health of the animals they wish to feed to Americans. Animals in poor health are a friendly place for bacteria to grow and prosper, especially after such meat goes to market. Rather than address the source of the problem, the FDA wants to add another adulteration into our food supply. The stated goal of the new FDA-approved viruses is to kill a rare bacterium known as Listeria monocytogenes. This bacterium is killed by cooking; however, it poses a problem in meats that are cooked during processing and not cooked again prior to consumption, so it can readily infect foods such as deli meats. Yes, the FDA plans to use one infectious organism to fight another. The carnage of battle will end up in your digestive tract along with the victorious live viruses, which the FDA assures us will not attack human cells. However, they cannot possibly be certain the viruses will not attack the friendly bacteria that make up the lining of your digestive tract. The FDA http://www.fda.gov/OHRMS/DOCKETS/98fr/02f-0316-bkg0001-Ref-03-FDA-Memo.pdf - approval was based on scant human testing , mostly from unrelated medical experiments. Such safety data is woefully inadequate to determine safe ingestion of a specific product by humans over the course of a lifetime. Turning Loose the Bacteria-Killing Viruses The company that produces these biotech viruses is Baltimore-based http://www.intralytix.com/ - Intralytix, Inc . The viruses are known as bacteriophages, viruses that kill bacteria, or phages for short. Phages have been around a long time, living as parasites inside many bacteria. Intralytix uses biotechnology to grow viral phages in a culture with Listeria, in theory teaching the viruses to recognize the bacteria. The FDA-approved cocktail contains six different viruses intended to attack one strain of bacteria. This concoction is then sprayed on food. If Listeria is present in the food, the bacteria will ingest the viruses. This results in massive viral replication inside the bacteria, until such point as the bacteria simply bursts. This battle results in significant production of bacterial poisons called “endotoxins”, as the bacteria tries to defend itself. When the bacteria burst, these endotoxins are released. These, along with the victorious live viruses, will now be on the food that will be eaten. The FDA and Intralytix would like us to believe that these viruses will only attack the specified bacteria they are intended to kill and will be harmless to humans. I’m sorry to burst their bubble, but they can’t possibly guarantee such safety. It is true that the viruses, at least at this time, cannot recognize human cells. However, the virus can potentially recognize normal bacterial cells in the human digestive tract and may be able to adapt to infect one or more of these friendly bacteria. The FDA Certainly Knows There Are Risks The FDA had some concerns about the amount of bacterial endotoxin in the Intralytix product before it is sprayed; however, FDA tests apparently showed that the product was adequately purified and so they declared it safe if used as approved. Will the FDA diligently monitor the quality of this product once it is on the market, or will it go the path of many FDA-approved drugs that the agency can’t keep track of? There is certainly a risk that humans will be exposed to excessive amounts of endotoxin. This could come from the manufacturing of the viral cocktail, the interaction of the viruses with bacteria after being sprayed on food, and/or the interaction of the viruses with bacteria in the digestive tract. The human immune system is highly reactive and sensitive to bacterial endotoxins. They provoke allergy, asthma, autoimmune problems, and elevate cholesterol. They also interfere with the healthy function of http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=15057745&query_hl=1&itool=pubmed_docsum - cells lining the digestive tract . Researchers have demonstrated that the http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=12384057&query_hl=1&itool=pubmed_DocSum - presence of bacterial endotoxins can start cancer in the colon . Additionally, the human immune system reacts directly to viral phages. Thus, a person who eats a lot of processed deli meat is certain to evoke an immune reaction to the viruses. What will this reaction be? Allergy? Asthma? Autoimmunity? Cancer? How can the FDA approve a food additive that it knows can induce a variety of human immune responses? Phages are so good at disrupting normal immunity that they are being considered for use as part of http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=16504739&query_hl=6&itool=pubmed_docsum - organ transplant medicine . The ingestion of significant amounts of viral phages into the human digestive tract is a wild card full of unknown outcomes. For example, it is certainly possible that these phages, which constantly mutate in order to survive, are likely to find a way to infect bacteria they were not intended to infect. Since phages are parasites, they could hijack the friendly bacteria of the digestive tract and turn them into viral machines, constantly generating viral particles that are likely to confuse the human immune system, if not directly infect the body. We know from history that these viral phages can turn innocuous bacteria into a killer, which is how cholera occurs. Furthermore, the Listeria bacteria are not going to take the issue lying down. They will develop resistance to the viruses over time, as we have seen with the overuse of antibiotics. Going down this path we are likely to have hundreds of viral food additives in the food we eat, all designed to combat some possible infection coming from poor quality food. Sooner or later we will inadvertently create deadly new super-strains of bacteria and/or parasitically infect the human digestive tract with an untreatable infection. There is also the very real possibility of unintended viral recombination. What happens when a person with viral stomach flu eats food containing a dose of this viral food additive? It is certainly possible for the genetic material of the flu virus to interact with the genetic material of the viral phages, provoking an undesirable new viral infection. Let’s not forget that the FDA won’t tell us which foods in the food supply contain genetically modified organisms (GMO). Seventy percent of the packaged food on grocery shelves already contains GMO adulterated food. These foods have viral promoter genes woven into the DNA of every cell, a technique used to implant a pesticide toxin into every cell of this fake food (see http://www.newswithviews.com/HNB/Hot_New_Books32.htm - Fight for Your Health , chapter 15). What happens when the viral phages interact with the viral promoter genes in GMO food? What new virus will be encouraged to form? Keep in mind that the FDA wants to conduct this experiment on our food supply to protect a small minority, only about 2500 people, who are made seriously ill by this infection each year. The ill are mostly pregnant women, elderly with compromised immunity, and small children. It would be a lot more to the point if the FDA would simply warn such people that eating these foods, due to their poor quality of production, may be dangerous. What the FDA should really do is improve the quality of our food supply, the true source of the problem. Why expose millions of Americans to an unproven ingestion of live viruses for the benefit of so few? The FDA has failed miserably for the past century to protect the public from the adulteration of our food supply by vested interests. This is just one more insult added to a long list of injuries. The Tip of an Iceberg Intralytix has an agenda for the American food supply, as well as for healthcare in general. This recent FDA ruling allows Intralytix and other similar biotech companies to get their foot in a door that should be slammed shut and bolted closed. The company is also seeking FDA approval for viral sprays to treat foods that could be contaminated with E. coli and Salmonella, which means that similar “trained” viruses could end up in a majority of the protein foods in our food supply. Intralytix sees financial opportunity. They have already licensed their now FDA-approved viral spray to an undisclosed multi-national company for use around the world. When the CEO of Intralytix, John Vazzara, was recently asked about this partner company, http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/health/bal-te.bz.fda19aug19,0,6795062.story?track=rss - he refused to disclose their name . The grand profit-driven biotech experiment on the health and well being of all Americans is now in full swing. John Vazzara also http://www.secinfo.com/dRqWm.5k8y.htm#1zy0 - owns stock in , as well as provided seed money to start, SteelCloud Inc. (formerly Dunn Computer Corporation). SteelCloud is a defense contractor with lucrative deals with the http://projects.washingtonpost.com/post200/2006/DNCC/ - Department of Defense , recently http://www.steelcloud.com/pdf/pressreleases/Q2_2006_Earnings_Annoucement.pdf#search=%22%22SteelCloud%22%22Department%20of%20homeland%20security%22%22 - landing a 3.4 million dollar contract with the Department of Homeland Security. Congress should investigate the financial ties and backroom dealings that would allow this bizarre food additive approval by the FDA. Of course, we will need new wonder drugs to combat the new bio-tech produced infections. Americans will stay sick and the sickness-driven bio-tech industry will flourish. The bio-tech industry will make people sick on the front end and treat them on the back end. It’s a win-win situation for profit on illness. The FDA is Rapidly Becoming a Public Enemy Experimenting with viruses being added to the food supply is incredibly dangerous and reckless. It is completely impossible for the FDA to guarantee safety in the near term or the long term. Thus, the FDA has made the bureaucratic decision that relative safety is acceptable to them. What right does the FDA have to tamper with the food supply in this manner? It is quite clear that the Bush agenda has been to promote American biotech companies as the new future for American prosperity. Administrative opinions have trumped science in virtually every situation wherein safety conflicts with profit. The FDA acts to foster profits for biotech companies and the growth of the biotech industry. This is a betrayal of the public trust. The leaders of the FDA are personally responsible and need to be held accountable. This means Andrew von Eschenbach, M.D., temporary head of the FDA and his chief science officer, Scott Gottlieb, M.D. These men are not only http://www.newswithviews.com/Richards/byron6.htm - obsessed with approving risky drugs for the benefits of Big Pharma, it is now clear that they are willing to allow obvious adulteration of the food supply. They seek to control what we eat, and they are tampering with survival of the human race. The FDA does not truly know how safe viral phages are to consume on a regular basis. They have no idea of the cumulative effect over the course of a lifetime, especially as more of these viral cocktails are added to the food supply. They have no way to measure how this new type of adulteration in the food supply will interact with the poor digestive/immune health of half the American population, in combination with all the other serious adulterations already approved by the FDA. The FDA lacks due diligence in honoring its mandate to protect the American public. Boycott Viral Tainted Foods, Support Your Sustainable Farmers The only hope Americans have is to resurrect the quality of our food supply. Doing so is against the odds, as there are billions of dollars of profit-mongering taking our food supply in the wrong direction. One day Americans will realize that food security is as important to national security as any other topic. It is now crystal clear that we cannot count on the FDA to do the job that Harvey Wiley, M.D., http://www.newswithviews.com/Richards/byron.htm - envisioned one-hundred years ago . Consumers standing in line to buy a luncheon meat sandwich will have no idea if they are ingesting live viruses as part of their meal. While the FDA will require the ingredient to be listed on packages as “bacteriophage preparation,” most consumers will have no idea that means they are ingesting live viruses. Foods bought at deli counters or prepared in restaurants will not need to warn consumers. http://www.newswithviews.com/DonateNWV.htm"> How can any responsible parent feed virus-tainted food to their children? The FDA should be forced to revoke this approval. Every American has an obligation to support food security for our nation. Congress must correct the leadership at the FDA and the FDA itself. Americans must quit buying poor quality toxic food. Your greatest ability to change this problem is based entirely on what you purchase. mailto:newsforyou-list-subscribe@newswithviews.com"> Get connected to the sustainable family farms in your community. Buy meat that is range raised without antibiotics and synthetic growth hormones. Demand that the food you are eating is labeled with a country of origin. Buy American; buy locally-produced food whenever possible. Support those who truly believe in being the stewards of our land and food for our people and for future generations. These good people are being squashed out of existence by multi-national agribusiness, companies that could truly care less about the quality of our food supply or the security and health of Americans. How you spend your money is your most powerful vote. Vote for those who care. © 2006 http://www.truthinwellness.com/ - Truth in Wellness , LLC - All Rights Reserved mailto:newsforyou-list-subscribe@newswithviews.com - Sign Up For Free E-Mail Alerts E-Mails are used strictly for NWVs alerts, not for sale Byron J. Richards, Founder/Director of http://www.wellnessresources.com/ - Wellness Resources , is a Board-Certified Clinical Nutritionist and nationally-renowned health expert, radio personality, educator, and author. Richards encourages individuals to take charge of their health, stand up for their health rights, and not blindly succumb to propaganda from the vested-interests who profit from keeping Americans sick. Author of http://www.wellnessresources.com/products/mastering_leptin.php - Mastering Leptin and http://www.newswithviews.com/HNB/Hot_New_Books32.htm - Fight for Your Health , Richards is now joining forces with http://www.truthinwellness.com/reviews.htm - health freedom leaders in the U.S. and throughout the world. Visit his http://www.truthinwellness.com/blog - health blog for up to date happenings. http://www.truthinwellness.com/ - www.truthinwellness.com As founder of Wellness Resources, Inc. of Minneapolis, MN (since 1985), he has personally developed 75 unique nutraceutical-grade nutritional formulas. http://www.wellnessresources.com/ - www.wellnessresources.com Charter Member of the http://www.iaacn.org/ - International and American Associations of Clinical Nutritionists (IAACN) (since 1991) Richards has presented hundreds of educational classes to health professionals and individuals who want to take charge of their health!
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: September 14 2006 at 10:50pm
One step closer to soylent green.
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Posted By: Mahshadin
Date Posted: September 15 2006 at 10:14am
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I think this is an insane practice and can only be motivated by Dollars.
I for one want to know exactly what products they are treating.
Anyone Else? ------------- "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." G Orwell |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: September 15 2006 at 10:17am
| I catch stuff easy enough.I dont need to be force fed. |
Posted By: emmajones
Date Posted: September 15 2006 at 11:45am
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This bothers me a lot. I can only hope that cooking meats and poultry will kill this so-called "helpful" virus. And stay away from cold cuts. And raise all my own fruits and veggies. How far will it all go? My son says there's a conspiracy between the drug companies and agribusiness to alter food in such a way that it keeps Americans in a state of ill-health, meaning more profit for the drug companies. I'm beginning to think he's right. ------------- b4giving |
Posted By: Mahshadin
Date Posted: September 15 2006 at 2:17pm
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This part really bother sme the most
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This additive was developed by Intralytix, and will be supervised and regulated by the Department of Agriculture. Consumers will not be aware of which meat and poultry products have been treated with this spray says the Office of Food Additive Safety at the FDA.
http://www.supermarketguru.com/page.cfm/29882 - http://www.supermarketguru.com/page.cfm/29882
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Its like the FDA has decided to run an experiment on us without us even knowing and even if you found out thers no way for you to opt out because they wont be any labeling or any requirements to the public which by the way is who they are supposed to SERVE.. ------------- "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." G Orwell |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: September 15 2006 at 7:20pm
 The Fox is in charge of the Hen House.
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"...The Department of Agriculture (USDA) will regulate and supervise the use of the additive...."
http://www.intralytix.com/corporate_info_.htm - http://www.intralytix.com/corporate_info_.htm
Excerpts-
"...The technical team includes J. Glenn Morris, M.D., an expert in infectious disease, epidemiology, and food microbiology who was instrumental
in writing the new USDA regulations on microbial safety in meat processing..."
"...Patrick Hervy, chairman of MDBio and Paragon Biotech, and former CEO of U.S. operations for Thomsen CGR..."
(Thomsen CGR....which was acquired by General
Electric Medical Systems) "...Dr. Torrey C. Brown, M.D., the former Maryland State Secretary of Natural Resources..."
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: September 15 2006 at 7:34pm
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I'm going to print this thread out and send it to my state representative...
an address...to find states info .
click here below... Write Your Elected Officials (put in your zip)
http://www.congress.org/congressorg/home/ - http://www.congress.org/congressorg/home/
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Posted By: Mahshadin
Date Posted: September 15 2006 at 8:04pm
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Thanks for the link Anharra, thats very useful ------------- "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." G Orwell |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 12:14pm
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Geesh
I think there gonna kill us all....Of all of the bird brained ideas.......What were they thinking??? |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 12:29pm
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Greed?
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I invite mieke and my good friend (I like his posts) MedClinition over here to post off topic
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Posted By: VtDoc
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 12:48pm
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I think this is an insane practice and can only be motivated by Dollars.
Of course it is financially motivated. The manufacturer developed a product it hoped would be approved and could then be sold for a profit. I don't think that has any bearing on the merits at all.
Any food producer is going to have to pay to buy this product. It may pass the added costs to the consumer or may absorb them. I suspect the reason behind this ultimately is the fear of lawsuits. Do a Google search for " "food poisoning" lawsuit" "
I don't know whether the FDA should have approved this based on its merits (and neither does anyone else commenting here), but I can't blame the food manufacturers for wanting to protect themselves from the sue-happy "I hope I get sick so I can extort a bundle" public and the ambulance-chasing whores who egg them on.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 2:51pm
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Associated Press In total here... http://www.forbes.com/business/healthcare/feeds/ap/2006/08/18/ap2959720.html - http://www.forbes.com/business/healthcare/feeds/ap/2006/08/18/ap2959720.html The viruses are grown in a preparation of the very bacteria they kill, and then purified. The FDA had concerns that the virus preparation potentially could contain toxic residues associated with the bacteria. However, testing did not reveal the presence of such residues, which in small quantities likely wouldn't cause health problems anyway, the FDA said. Latest food additive: Viruses Here- http://www.latimes.com/features/health/la-he-closer28aug28,0,3552892.story?coll=la-home-health - http://www.latimes.com/features/health/la-he-closer28aug28,0,3552892.story?coll=la-home-health Excerpt- Also, bacteria become resistant to certain strains of bacteriophage very rapidly. That is why, in this new spray-on application for ready-to-eat meats, Intralytix scientists are using six different phage. To come up with their cocktail, the scientists collected more than 300 different strains of listeria and tested listeria-invading phage on all of them. There was no single phage that killed all strains, so the scientists designed the product so that every kind of listeria would be attacked by more than one phage.
In other words, "there is lots of protection in case a mutation occurred," said John Vazzana, president and chief executive of Intralytix. |
Posted By: jknoel
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 3:19pm
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Wait a minute. The outrage is understandable but inaccurate. The viruses used are bacteriophages. They ONLY infect bacteria and have NEVER infected eukaryotic cells (i.e. us). This is a great thing because the bacteria in those foods will die without causing any harm to the food or to anything with a nucleus. This is completely harmless in every way.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 9:42pm
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"...marking the first time that a virus has been approved as a food additive. "
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hi.... It would feel better if they hadn't said....
"...the FDA says that " consumers will not be aware which meat and poultry products have been treated with the spray."
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I guess if I'm going to eat, it I want them to all agree on what it is I'm eating. I just don't like the unknown as to foods.
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A virus that infects bacteria is known as a bacteriophage, often shortened to phage.
It has been argued extensively whether viruses are living organisms. Most virologists consider them non-living, as they do not meet all the criteria of the generally accepted definition of life. Among other factors, viruses do not possess a cell membrane or metabolise on their own.
A definitive answer is still elusive because some organisms considered to be living exhibit characteristics of both living and non-living particles, as viruses do.
Wikipedia...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virus - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virus
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here we go again.... How pure is it?
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http://aem.asm.org/cgi/content/full/64/2/575 - http://aem.asm.org/cgi/content/full/64/2/575
All bacteriophages used in this study, including the S. natans bacteriophages, were purified by performing a minimum of three rounds of single-plaque isolation by a modification of the protocols of Arber et al. ( http://aem.asm.org/cgi/content/full/64/2/575#B1 - 1 ). Well-isolated plaques were cut from agar plates, placed in sterile diluent, and used to produce new bacteriophage lysates. This procedure was repeated through three cycles or until lysates produced only a single-plaque morphology.
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They are using several different viral bacteria killers... and it will no way mess with the good bacteria in our bodies? IE. baceria viruses run amouk?
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 9:49pm
| Now why didnt I listen to you? Why could I not,not look? |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 10:05pm
| Sorry.... I think I will delete it. Some doctors say it's true...and then there are some seemingly logical explanations...so for now I will say...who knows. We don't need one more weird thing do we... |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 10:11pm
| I have read a little about it awhile back. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 10:49pm
| It was good of you not to post anything... :) |
Posted By: koolsteve
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 11:45pm
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I dont care what they say, if theyre adding viruses to my food I may be hesitant to eat them. Im sure it works though so dont listen to me. ;) ------------- ninjas rule |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 5:04am
This will probably result in massive mutations of multiple viral strains which will become pathogenic and could wipe us out. Note : Thanks for posting this though. It was very informative and what is more disturbing is this has probably already been happening for some time. Very rarely are we informed until well after the event. |
Anharra wrote:Posted By: jknoel
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 1:06pm
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All food that is eaten has to go through the stomach (acidic) and the small intestines (basic) before it reaches the colon where the vast majority of bacteria live. First, the stomach acid and bile salts of the small intestine essentially make those areas sterile meaning nothing will survive. So anyone thinking that eating a bacteriophage will infect their own E. coli, I don't think it will. I know some people will never be convinced of things like this, but I think it could work. There is no reason for it not too, and there are many hundreds more species of bacteria in the colon that would be uneffected if a hypothetical outbreak of an E. coli bacteriophage made it that far.
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Posted By: Valkyrie
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 2:31pm
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Bacteriophages kill bacteria...our digestion is dependent on GOOD bacteria to work properly.80% of the bacteria in your gut is estimated to be helpful..the rest potentially bad.The good control the bad.They are going to put viruses in our food that kills bacteria.Which school for viruses did they send these strains of supposedly helpful viruses to to teach them to leave the good bacteria alone?Why dont people DEMAND that the processing plants where this filth containing food is contaminated in the first plave be cleaned up?That is the logical and only sane solution.Viruses also mutate.This is also assuming that potential motives behind this disaster are really for anyones good at all.I dont think so.They arent allowed to adulterate Kosher foods and we all have to pay for kosher inspections of our food supply whether we approve of it or not...so take a clue folks....buy Hebrew National hot dogs etc etc ------------- reading between the lines can be most informative.... |
Posted By: Valkyrie
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 2:37pm
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ps...viruses often survive the stomach and the gut...ask anyone who has contracted norovirus and puked for three days.... ------------- reading between the lines can be most informative.... |
Posted By: Mahshadin
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 2:49pm
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Kinda like bird flu only kills birds huh
Sounds to me like we are dealing with something that we dont truly understand. I would feel much more comfotable about this if we had a better understanding of microbe science but this is not the case and to be flirting with the general public in a way that causes risk is in my opinion irresponsible.
Man alive the least they can do is give us an opt out. Label or require labeling so we make our own decisions about serving up a virus soup to our families.
Just my opinion ------------- "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." G Orwell |
Posted By: Mississipp Mama
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 7:25pm
| Hi Valkyrie. I sometimes buy Hebrew National hot dogs. Do they sale any other kinds of meat. I bought the hot dogs at Walmart. Do you have any suggestions on where to buy kosher meats. Iam going to start looking for a small family farm. thanks for any information. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 7:36pm
| Why can't we get real food anymore? |
Posted By: jknoel
Date Posted: September 21 2006 at 11:47am
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You can never prevent bacterial contamination. It is in the air (you are breathing it in right now), on all surfaces, and in all the food you eat, not just meat and of course spinach. Also, a bacteriophage is not a norovirus. The only similarity is that they are viruses. But i did say that there is a possibility of something getting through. Nothing is 100% certain in biology. But does anyone really think that a government agency would purposely put something in the food that would directly cause us harm? Or maybe they can alter the virus so that it is deactivated by acid? or by base? or by the cold in your fridge or freezer? Something like that seems a little more logical. And the information is out there. It just requires looking for it. ------------- The only way to grow is to take a chance. |
Posted By: digital
Date Posted: September 21 2006 at 5:07pm
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jknoel
We have long ago passed the stage where the government and corporations were demonstratably willing to put profits and self interest before the welfare of the people.
The example I think most will be familiar with is the automobile industry
Are you fmiliar with the concept of risk management. There have been many documented cases where a vehicle has been designed badly and they add up the cost of fixing the design against what personal injuries payouts are likely to be and they go with the cheapest option.
Nowhere in that equation is there concern for the public helth and welfare that you wrongly assume to exist.
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Posted By: Mahshadin
Date Posted: September 21 2006 at 5:18pm
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Exactly
Risk assessment decision making (If I had to guess would have been invented by the Insurance Industry).
I just do not think that we have enough command of the Science(Corporate or government) to be making these kinds of decisions. Think for a moment, if you did not know this information and someone suggested it to you What Would You Say?
And then not even giving the population a choice (We have decided for you((Risk Assesment)). It is just assumed that the Company or whatever has command of the Viral Micro-Biology Science and the effects from using them on our food supply.
Just my opinion of course!! ------------- "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." G Orwell |
Posted By: Valkyrie
Date Posted: September 22 2006 at 12:00pm
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Plausable denyability is what they always fall back on when caught.They NEVER have to prove anything is safe...just have their experts tell us they thought it was and is so.Every proof is always trade secrets or national defense secrets yada yada.Take a good hard look at depleted uranium..genetically modified foods....Vioxx (estimated to have caused 125,000 heart attacks)...toxic mercury and autism or in our teeth....flouride....or that the air was safe to breath at ground zero after 911.Top that all off with published opinions of very highly placed people with policy making power having stated that the world needs a 95% reduction in population.Yeah...Im saying I dont trust them any farther than I could thow them uphill against a tornado.Too many consider us useless eaters...and thats a quote.Yeah,,,the information is out there if you care to look at it and if you can take off the sheeple sunglasses.Freedom of speech and information sharing is THE only safety we have left...and those are rapidly being quashed as fast as they can get away with it.If you speak out they always resort to character assasination......or worse.I stand by what I said.Putting live infectious viruses in our food to supposedly keep us safe is an outrageous lie. ------------- reading between the lines can be most informative.... |
Posted By: Mahshadin
Date Posted: September 22 2006 at 1:20pm
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I am with you Valkyrie
I was amazed and shocked that our government would give the green flag on what basically is a Micro-Biological Test on a large scale (US-The People)
We have a long way to go in understanding Microbiology, especially in Virology to be messing with the food supply and all of the contact surfaces that will be affected by this.
Spray on Virus (WHAT ARE THEY THINKING) ------------- "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." G Orwell |
Posted By: jknoel
Date Posted: September 22 2006 at 3:48pm
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You can never prove anything is 100% safe. That is impossible because there are always exceptions in biology. People die from vaccinations or get sick in spite of them. Nothing is fool proof. But if you want to think about risk management, fair enough. First, I don't know if everyone is aware of this, but if you don't have health insurance, the government takes care of all of your bills. Just like that. Had to deal with that in my family, that's how i know. And considering the cost of health care and the possibility that the government might have to pay for it, why would they try to make us sick again? I understand if you don't trust politicians, they are just businessmen afterall. But trying to make us sick/kill us? That's a little too far. The main reason there is outrage is because they are telling us what is being put in our food. But i don't want to learn that about everything I eat. I don't eat hot dogs anymore because the use nitrite as a preservative and that has been shown to cause cancer. I could go on and say how proper cooking will kill any virus on the meat anyway but i'll stop myself from going further except for one last point. We live and eat happily because of the things that we don't know. If you really want to know how much poison is in the air or in fish or how absolutely filthy your cell phone is, you'll never enjoy living. I think this is a good thing and nothing bad except for those rare cases that always happen. And it's those rare cases that people jump on, instead of looking at the number of people it didn't make sick. ------------- The only way to grow is to take a chance. |
Posted By: Valkyrie
Date Posted: September 22 2006 at 4:55pm
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People not wanting to know and delegating your trust to others is exactly what thiose who have agendas count on.Thats why kids emerge from school functionally illiterate and unable to have an informed opinion about anything....somebody wants it that way and we trusted them with our kids.Why so much about anything you care to discuss is so terrible in so many ways. Where others make decisions that affect us all it is our duty to be as informed as possible.How on earth are those who would do bad things for their own benefit ever to be held accountable if no one has the knowledge or the will to expose them or oppose them?No one person can do it all but all can contribute...thats what this forum and others are all about.The hell with paid experts telling me dont think about it...we will take care of you.Yeah right.The products they are using these viruses on are the ones that are held at refrigerated temperatures and eaten usually without cooking like lunchmeat...listeria grows at just those cool to cold temps.The best way to prevent it is effective sanitation at processing facilities.Nothing is perfect I agree but anyone who uses half of their brain knows that the contamination at the source is the problem and NO...they arent doing a proper job and THATS the issue here.Its an excuse to do this terrible thing to our food...with God only knows what consequences.I know a lot of unpleasant details about a lot of things and Im glad I do.It has saved my butt amd many I care about more than once.I also enjoy my life very much thank you and I want to keep it that way.The more you know the more you realize you dont know...thank God he gave us all brains to think with.I think encouraging people to use them is a noble cause we were all entrusted with by our maker....ps...thanks for the vote of confidence Mahshadin.Its nice to know their are kindred hearts out there. ------------- reading between the lines can be most informative.... |
Posted By: Mahshadin
Date Posted: September 22 2006 at 5:01pm
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Iknoel
I have no doubt that someone or some company believes in this process and has their talking points down and must have had a dandy presentationfor the FDA.
Apperently this virus is completely understood and we have complete control of them to the point where we are going to use them as a food additives, yet others like H5N1 are not understodd and we really just dont have a clue as to the micro-biological mechanisms at play.
So we should just trust the message and throw out that gut feeling thats telling you (HOLD UP HERE) something about this just doesnt pass the smell test.
For one virus its your gonna be on your own when it mutates, and another its were just gonna spray it on your food.
Im sorry but I think I have a problem with that without a lot more information. And I for one do not just trust every decision made by the FDA just like that or for the simple reason that I dont want to know (So Its Ok).
I understand your argument I just disagree.
Just My Opinion As always
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Posted By: jknoel
Date Posted: September 23 2006 at 10:21am
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I understand. If you want more information, you might be able to get it through the Freedom of Information office. I would hope something like this wouldn't be classified.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: September 23 2006 at 10:31am
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"...must have had a dandy presentation for the FDA...."
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could be...actually a guy in the Corp (Intralytix) that makes the virus...
wrote the USDA Regs ...."...on microbial safety in meat processing..."
Perhaps that paved the way?
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"...The technical team includes J. Glenn Morris, M.D., an expert in infectious disease, epidemiology, and food microbiology who was instrumental
in writing the new USDA regulations on microbial safety in meat processing..."
http://www.intralytix.com/corporate_info_.htm - http://www.intralytix.com/corporate_info_.htm |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: September 23 2006 at 10:45am
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You have a healthy trusting attitude iknoel. But as many here have said...we need the checks and balances of enquiring minds who want a second look. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: September 23 2006 at 12:36pm
There was a time in history when avian flu virus had never infected anything other than birds. I know nothing about virus, but I do know if food production companies spent more time and money on the clean production of food, than this would not be a considereration
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: September 23 2006 at 12:47pm
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True.... and I wouldn't be afraid to eat a lettuce sandwich today.
I tossed everything...
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Posted By: Valkyrie
Date Posted: September 24 2006 at 8:07am
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Our entire health is totally dependent on our ability to properly digest food.we thrive when it works properly and sicken and die if it doesnt.We cannot do that without a symbiotic relationship with bacteria in our digestive systems.Approximately 3 pounds worth .Now they are spraying our food with viruses that directy target bacteria to kill the bacteria they wont clean up in manufacturing plants.Doesnt take a rocket scientist to see the danger potential.A single course of antibiotic treatment has the potential to wreck a persons digestive ability and their health for years when it disrupts the intestinal flora...imagine what this could do.You could well carry these viruses inside you until you die,killing off the beneficial bacteria you need to be healthy.If they really run amock that situation could well kill you.I personally am furious that they did this and I am very grateful that the subject was brought up for discussion.More and more people now know of this and that is where we all have the hope of changing things for the better.Sunlight is the best disenfectant...especially in policymaking and politics ------------- reading between the lines can be most informative.... |
Posted By: Valkyrie
Date Posted: September 24 2006 at 8:37am
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That is a great post Anharra about the fda! ------------- reading between the lines can be most informative.... |
Posted By: Mahshadin
Date Posted: September 24 2006 at 9:35am
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This is what is posted on their Web-Site (Company)
http://www.intralytix.com/faq.htm - http://www.intralytix.com/faq.htm
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Posted By: Valkyrie
Date Posted: September 24 2006 at 10:00am
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Just read the link.They damn themselves with their own statements and admissions.Unbelievable! ------------- reading between the lines can be most informative.... |
Posted By: jknoel
Date Posted: September 24 2006 at 2:01pm
I want everyone to realize how different bacteria are to us. They are completely different. The don't have organelles. They don't have a nucleus. They have cell walls made of sugars cross-linked with proteins. Some of them have an extra outer protective membrane on top of the cell wall. Yes, bacteriophages can mutate. But the probability that it will mutate to infect any eukaryotic cell is astronomically small. H5N1 already infected warm-blooded vertebrates. Bacteriophages don't even infect anything with more than 1 cell. And I don't like repeating myself because there is no way you can make an entire factory sterile, especially in food. Bacteria are everywhere!!!!! ------------- The only way to grow is to take a chance. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: September 24 2006 at 3:58pm
Do we not love all the things Science can do?I still like to have a choice.... do I have a choice?
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Viruses are similar to obligate intracellular parasites as they lack the means for self-reproduction outside a host cell, but unlike parasites, viruses are generally not considered to be true living organisms. They infect a wide variety of organisms: both eukaryotes (such as animals and plants) and prokaryotes (such as bacteria).
Wikipedia http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/01/040123005321.htm - http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/01/040123005321.htm Source: American Chemical Society Date: January 26, 2004 Bacterium That Causes Food Poisoning May Lead To Better Anti-viral Vaccines
Conventional vaccine formulations typically use live or weakened viruses to boost the immune response. The Listeria formulation uses viral protein components along with the bacterial protein, reducing the possibility of accidental viral infection. In preliminary animal studies, the new vaccine also appeared to boost the immune response better than a conventional vaccine, according to the researchers. Their study appears in the inaugural (January) issue of Molecular Pharmaceutics, a peer-reviewed journal of the American Chemical Society, the world's largest scientific society. The new bi-monthly journal focuses on the emerging and evolving fields of the molecular mechanisms of drugs and drug delivery. The vaccine incorporates a bacterial protein called listeriolysin O (LLO), which has the unusual ability to allow Listeria to cut through and enter certain cells that are involved in the immune response. These cells, called macrophages, are in turn able to activate other immune cells called cytotoxic T-lymphocytes, which are needed for complete protection against viral diseases but are not adequately activated by conventional vaccine formulations. By boosting the activity of these cells along with the production of viral antibodies, the new vaccine formulation could ultimately help save lives, the researchers say. "Today's vaccines are lifesavers, but there's still much room for improvement," says study leader Kyung-Dall Lee, Ph.D., an associate professor in the Department of Pharmaceutical Sciences at the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor. "We've shown that vaccines produced using the listeriolysin O protein can dramatically boost the immune response [in mice]. We're very excited about this promising vaccine delivery system, which could pave the way for the next generation of safer, more effective vaccines." In preliminary studies using a mouse model of viral meningitis, a vaccine containing a genetically engineered version of the LLO protein was used to effectively immunize a small group of mice against a lethal viral strain ? with a 100 percent survival rate, the researchers say. By contrast, half of the mice died that were given a conventional meningitis vaccine formulation, while none of the non-immunized mice survived, they add. Lee and his associates had first demonstrated in cell studies that the LLO protein isolated from Listeria could boost immune responses. He then genetically engineered the protein into the new vaccine formulation for enhanced immune protection. This study represents the first time the experimental strategy has been shown to work in live animal models of viral infection and represents a promising strategy for boosting both antibodies and cytotoxic T-lymphocytes (or T-cells) simultaneously, which are needed to maximize the immune system's response against viral attack, Lee and his associates say. If further studies are successful, the vaccine delivery system could be available to make a variety of anti-viral vaccines for consumers in several years, Lee predicts. In particular, the finding renews hope of eventually developing an effective HIV vaccine to stem the spread of AIDS. Clinical studies are still needed for each specific vaccine, he cautions. "We harnessed the clever invasive machinery of Listeria and developed it into a potentially safer and more effective vaccine delivery formulation," says Lee, who holds a patent related to the LLO vaccine delivery technique. He adds that the technique also holds promise for developing vaccines for other diseases, including cancer and SARS. The National Institutes of Health provided funding for this study. ............................................................................................... Bacterial Toxins: Friends or Foes?Clare K. Schmitt, Karen C. Meysick, and Alison D. O'Brien
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-toxin, Shiga toxin, cytotoxic necrotizing factor type 1, Escherichia coli heat-stable toxin, botulinum and tetanus neurotoxins, and S. aureus toxic-shock syndrome toxin. For each, we discuss the information available on its synthesis and structure, mode of action, and contribution to virulence. We also review the role certain toxins have played in unraveling signal pathways in eukaryotic cells and summarize the beneficial uses of toxins and toxoids. Our intent is to illustrate the importance of the analysis of bacterial toxins to both basic and applied sciences.Posted By: Valkyrie
Date Posted: September 24 2006 at 7:41pm
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We dont have any problem understanding that bacteria are very different from us.The fact that these viruses kill bacteria and have the potential to destroy our intestinal flora upon which we are all dependent for our health seems to escape you.By your reasoning cleanliness is pointless because bacteria are everywhere,I disagree vehemently.The technology for pathogen control in food preparation is highly effective if the will and the dollars are applied judiciously...its just cheaper to do nothing and spray viruses and further adulterate and contaminate our food with the dubious assertion that it will work and be harmless.I disagree. ------------- reading between the lines can be most informative.... |
Posted By: Mahshadin
Date Posted: September 24 2006 at 7:44pm
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I agree ------------- "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." G Orwell |
Posted By: jknoel
Date Posted: September 25 2006 at 2:41pm
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First, it would be unthinkable that we/our intestinal flora have not already encoutered bacteriophages. Also, bacteria thrive in the wild while encountering them which we know is true because bacteria still exist. Continuing, these bacteriophages are specific for certain kinds of bacteria which will not make up the majority in our colon. There are more bacteria in the gut than cells in the human body comprising over 500 seperate species. And not all viruses mutate to the extreme extent that flu does, and flu is an extreme. So a mutation to effect all 500 species and kill all of the bacteria before you defecate would be remarkable. That's something I forget to mention previously. Over 1/3 of what you defecate is pure bacteria. So the entire population gets turned over on a regular basis. You could simply flush out your system so there is no more problem. ------------- The only way to grow is to take a chance. |
Posted By: Mahshadin
Date Posted: September 25 2006 at 4:12pm
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So then its basically creating a War on a specific desease (Lysteria) or the Bacteria that causes the disease by using a smaller Micro-biological agent (Virus) to kiill it.
So then there will be more of these Virus Sprays for different Bacteria. HMMMM, so how many different Bacteria species are there and are there plans for more of these Virus Sprays. So eventually we will be able to have a selction of bottles mixed with different Viruses to kill diffrent Bacteria. Or will they just mix them up together and have one bottle.
There are many questions about this technology, and I would like to know who is asking them and what the answers are before I am exposed to a new process of food supply preperation without choice.
Just my opinion of course
------------- "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." G Orwell |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: September 25 2006 at 5:22pm
| Plant food at home, buy local. Just say no to Agra Business gone wild :) |
Posted By: Valkyrie
Date Posted: September 25 2006 at 5:49pm
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The author of the article that Anhara posted makes some very salient points which you choose to gloss over..........
The ingestion of significant amounts of viral phages into the human digestive tract is a wild card full of unknown outcomes. For example, it is certainly possible that these phages, which constantly mutate in order to survive, are likely to find a way to infect bacteria they were not intended to infect. Since phages are parasites, they could hijack the friendly bacteria of the digestive tract and turn them into viral machines, constantly generating viral particles that are likely to confuse the human immune system, if not directly infect the body. We know from history that these viral phages can turn innocuous bacteria into a killer, which is how cholera occurs. Furthermore, the Listeria bacteria are not going to take the issue lying down. They will develop resistance to the viruses over time, as we have seen with the overuse of antibiotics. Going down this path we are likely to have hundreds of viral food additives in the food we eat, all designed to combat some possible infection coming from poor quality food. Sooner or later we will inadvertently create deadly new super-strains of bacteria and/or parasitically infect the human digestive tract with an untreatable infection. I would add that we certainly have encountered these organisms in the past...you fail to adress the question have these encounters caused human disease?Ingesting a few might be harmless...trillions might be an entirely different matter.The bacteria with their fast replication and mutability quickly adapt by mutation and dna swapping resistance factors to new threats.Alas we cannot react so swiftly.And your reference to defecation as an all in all out phenomenon that is easily cleansed is cartoonish in its characterization and factually incorrect.Deliberately inoculating our food and therefore ourselves with viral mixes with the hope that it will all work out ok is insanity that only the profit driven would contemplate.I agree....boycott adulterated foods,.support you local farmers and abandon agribusiness.What we must demand is labeling that honestly states the true facts about the product and not let these criminals slip through legislation that allows then to hide what they do.If they want to keep it secret it reveals their true intent and treacherous actions. ------------- reading between the lines can be most informative.... |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: September 25 2006 at 7:30pm
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Thank you all - this has been a fascinating thread. I don't know how I feel about this -there are good points on each side. I think if you told people their food had been sprayed with viruses, they would react with horror (which has to be why they wouldn't advertise it on the product). When people hear the word "virus" or "bacteria" or "fungus" they think it's all bad. What if, in the future, we discover certain viruses that can be used to cure cancer and AIDS (isn't there research already being done on this?) Maybe in 50 years, viruses will be "good." Who knows......
Val - I agree that labeling and education is important. But what did you mean by their "true intent and treacherous actions?" Also, not everyone has access to a farmer's market.
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Posted By: Mahshadin
Date Posted: September 25 2006 at 8:30pm
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I think it will be labeled like (Phage) or somthing. I think I read that somewhere. ------------- "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." G Orwell |
Posted By: Mahshadin
Date Posted: September 25 2006 at 9:04pm
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Medical use as well http://www.phageinternational.com/doc/thevirusthatheals.pdf - http://www.phageinternational.com/doc/thevirusthatheals.pdf
http://www.asm.org/division/m/M.html - http://www.asm.org/division/m/M.html
http://www.pitt.edu/~biohome/Dept/Frame/virusesandbacteriophages.htm - http://www.pitt.edu/~biohome/Dept/Frame/virusesandbacteriophages.htm ------------- "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." G Orwell |