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Topic: STOP FACTORY FARMS = STOP BIRD FLU
Posted By: kparcell
Subject: STOP FACTORY FARMS = STOP BIRD FLU
Date Posted: February 20 2007 at 9:27am
http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=36651 - http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=36651

The new Worldwatch reports presents the science that shows that BF outbreaks almost always originate in factory farms and spread from there to backyard farms.

The report shows that the culling of backyard poultry concentrates more production in factory farms, worsening the problem and depriving poor ranchers of meat and income.

I believe that factory farming should be immediately banned globally, just as was done with ozone-depleting chemicals.
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    



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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 20 2007 at 1:49pm
HEALTH:
Report Blames Factory Farms for Bird Flu
Stephen Leahy

BROOKLIN, Canada, Feb 20 (IPS) - Factory farms are responsible for both the bird flu and emissions of greenhouse gases that now top those of cars and sport utility vehicles (SUVs), according to a report released Monday.

Sixty percent of global livestock production, including chicken and pig "confined animal feedlot operations" (CAFOs), now occur in the developing world. Unregulated zoning and subsidies that encourage these CAFOs or factory farms are moving closer to major urban areas in China, Bangladesh, India, and many countries in Africa, said the report, "Vital Signs 2007-2008" by the Worldwatch Institute.

Although there is no definitive scientific proof, those farms are very likely where avian or bird flu started and will continue to be responsible for new outbreaks, said the author of the report, Danielle Nierenberg, a Worldwatch research associate.

In Laos, 42 of the 45 outbreaks of avian flu in the spring of 2004 occurred on factory farms, and 38 were in the capital, Vientiane. In Nigeria, the first cases of avian flu were found in an industrial broiler operation. It spread from that 46,000-bird farm to 30 other factory farms, then quickly to neighbouring backyard flocks, forcing already poor farmers to kill their chickens, Nierenberg writes in the report.

"The growth in factory farms in the developing world is being driven by the fact that there are more people in cities and they have more money to buy meat," she told IPS in an interview.

Rising incomes, populations and demand for meat has resulted in the global poultry population quadrupling since the 1960s to about 18 billion birds today. Once mostly raised under free-range conditions or in backyards by very small producers, most poultry are now kept in large flocks numbering several hundred thousand.

Cramming 100,000 chickens into a single facility to produce low-cost meat also creates the perfect atmosphere for the spread of disease. For that very reason intensive livestock production systems in Europe and North America feed large volumes of antibiotics to chickens, pigs and cows to control diseases. This widespread use of antibiotics has created bacteria that are now resistant to antibiotics and pose yet another human health threat.

Avian flu is a virus, but one that has long been present in wild and domestic birds and is normally harmless to humans. In 2003, a deadly strain called H5N1 evolved, and has now killed 167 people, according to the World Health Organisation.

Last month, England experienced its first outbreak of H5N1 at a huge turkey farm with 160,000 birds and a meat processing facility. Infected turkey meat believed to have been shipped in from the company's factory farms in Hungary is thought to be the original source of the disease, according to British officials.

On Monday, Russian health officials confirmed an H5N1 strain outbreak in five different regions around Moscow. Officials there blamed migrating wild birds even though it is the middle of winter in Russia. Russia's Novosti news agency said scientists traced the source of the virus to a pet market in Moscow.

The United Nations Food and Agriculture Organisation (FAO) in Rome and the WHO have also blamed wild birds and backyard flocks for the spread of the virus. As a result, at least 15 nations have restricted or banned free-range and backyard production of birds.

But that may do more harm than good, said Nierenberg.

"Many of the world's estimated 800 million urban farmers, who raise crops and animals for food, transportation, and income in back yards and on rooftops, have been targeted unfairly," she said in a statement. "The socioeconomic importance of livestock to the world's poor cannot be overstated."

There is mounting evidence that there are other vectors of the disease. No wild birds have been detected with the virus in Europe or Africa this winter, yet there have been outbreaks in Nigeria, Egypt and Europe. Illegal and improper trade in poultry is thought to be the reason for these outbreaks.

"Our research shows that the global poultry trade and migratory birds are involved in the spread of H5N1," said Peter Daszak, executive director of the Consortium for Conservation Medicine in New York and an expert on the spread of disease in wildlife.

The combination of large numbers of birds being raised together, the international trade in poultry and migratory birds are a perfect receipt for the global spread of disease, Daszak said in an interview.

However, there is a "bit of blame game going on" as some cite factory farms and others migratory birds as the source of H5N1.

"New diseases are one of the costs of development and growth," he said.

Daszak and colleagues have documented the rise of various diseases such as Ebola, BSE, CJD, HIV/AIDS, and H5N1 bird flu, and believe they are the result of environmental change, which is almost always caused by humans. Because humans share so many pathogens with animals, humans' impact in driving wildlife diseases in turn threatens public health.

"Many of us at the outset underestimated the role of trade," Samuel Jutzi, director of Animal Production and Health at the FAO, told the International Herald Tribune last week.

"The poultry sector is the most globalised in agriculture," Jutzi said. "There is incredible movement of chicks and other products."

The pathogenic H5N1 form of avian flu does not usually develop in wild birds or backyard poultry because their populations are too spread out and diverse, said Cathy Holtslander, project organiser for the Beyond Factory Farming Coalition, a Canadian NGO.

Concentrating huge numbers of animals in small spaces, feeding them the cheapest food possible, centralising and speeding up processing, and distributing the product widely around the world is the perfect recipe for spreading disease, Holtslander told IPS.

The growing numbers of livestock around the world are responsible for 18 percent of global greenhouse gas emissions (as measured in carbon dioxide equivalent), according to the FAO. It's not just methane and manure -- the FAO shows that land-use changes, especially deforestation to expand pastures and to create arable land for feed crops, is a big part. So is the use of energy to produce fertilisers, to run the slaughterhouses and meat-processing plants, and to pump water.

Already surpassing emissions from the world's transportation sector, livestock numbers are rising fast.

"The world's poor probably need more meat, but we in North America and Europe should eat a lot less meat," said Nierenberg.

And it would be better and healthier to get meat from small-scale, localised production systems. Factory farms provide cheap meat only because the real costs in terms of air and water pollution, terrible conditions for workers and animals and so on are not factored in, she said.

"The U.S. infrastructure can barely handle the problems caused by factory farms," Nierenberg said. "I don't know how they can address these in the developing world." (END/2007)


Posted By: kparcell
Date Posted: February 21 2007 at 6:31am
Official Says Factory Farms Not Source of Bird Flu.

Two journalists watched while top WHO official knocked on door at Bernard Matthews. "Anybody in there!?" he demanded. "Nobody in here but us chickens," came the quietly chuckled response. "No bird flu here," said the official as he drove away. "Bird Flu!" said the reporters, "Oh. I thought the story was that a bird flew."


Posted By: Mahshadin
Date Posted: February 21 2007 at 9:05pm
This article just touches the surface of the problem and also the corruption involved in misleading information about H5N1 and other deseases that are obviously comming out of these type of operations.

I have personally visited one of these facilities and it is absolutely disgusting. If everyone who eats chickens had to go to these facilities to get your chicken you would DEFINETELY not eat it.

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"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."   G Orwell


Posted By: Judy
Date Posted: February 22 2007 at 12:04am
Factory farms are responsible for both the bird flu and emissions of greenhouse gases that now top those of cars and sport utility vehicles (SUVs), according to a report released Monday.

Is he actually saying the chickens are contributing to global warming???!

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If ignorance is bliss, what is chocolate?
   


Posted By: kparcell
Date Posted: February 22 2007 at 5:29am
Yes, livestock flatulence and methane from waste is a major contributer to greenhouse gasses in atmosphere. This is known from good science. New technology can turn that into a paying energy sideline, which clouds that debate. But the disease problem has no solution but to stop crowding animals together, and we've run out of time to talk about it any longer. I have no words to describe how I feel about the fact that factory-farmed animals have not reduced hunger because cheap meat still goes on the backsides of rich consumers; and now we see that the meat that has been reaching the poor, the backyard ranch, is being wiped out by the factory farmers claiming that is the source of bird flu.


Posted By: kparcell
Date Posted: February 22 2007 at 5:48am
Here is a link to an article in an Australian newspaper that invites short essays for the online version.

Any of you Aussies think they'd print one calling for a boycott of factory farms?

http://www.smh.com.au/news/heckler/feathers-fly-to-prove-there-is-such-a-thing-as-a-free-lunch/2007/02/22/1171733947893.html - http://www.smh.com.au/news/heckler/feathers-fly-to-prove-there-is-such-a-thing-as-a-free-lunch/2007/02/22/1171733947893.html


Posted By: kparcell
Date Posted: February 22 2007 at 6:59pm
Factory Farms Fueling Avian Flu

http://us.oneworld.net/article/view/146498/1/4536 - http://us.oneworld.net/article/view/146498/1/4536


Posted By: keeper1404
Date Posted: February 22 2007 at 7:31pm

I doubt that Factory Farms are the cause of Avian Flu.  It is more likely that Factory Farms are just a big brewing pot for mutations, once the virus infiltrates the farms. 

 
Factory Farms Fueling Bird Flu!  not the cause!
 
My opinion


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The Keeper


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 22 2007 at 8:25pm
silly me I thought the cause was Qinghai Lake that had all those migratory birds and tens of meter thick bird droppings at the lake.

Roughly the same place that the "spanish flu" started back in 1916/17 (see the Lancet journals of the time)


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 22 2007 at 9:34pm
 
We trade... they trade... TRADE... spreading... viruses.... worldwide.
 
 
trade ...WHY?
 
 
HUGE BIRDIE FACTORIES need trade....  amazing chicken consumption.
 
poultry/eggs come to USA from...Russia...China... Mexico... EU.  etc...
 
this trade... country to country... spreads multiple strains of diseases
 
faster than the wild birds can mix it up.
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as the Germans say...
 
Also the trade with birds, in particular chickens, might surely have a certain meaning for the further spread of the virus
 
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http://www.medizin.de/gesundheit/deutsch/1997.htm - http://www.medizin.de/gesundheit/deutsch/1997.htm
 


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 22 2007 at 11:16pm
simple or what?
 
 
 
NAI viruses can be divided into highly pathogenic notifiable avian influenza (HPNAI) and low pathogenicity notifiable avian influenza (LPNAI):

HPNAI viruses
 
have an IVPI in 6-week-old chickens greater than 1.2 or, as an alternative, cause at least 75% mortality in 4-to 8-week-old chickens infected intravenously. H5 and H7 viruses which do not have an IVPI of greater than 1.2 or cause less than 75% mortality in an intravenous lethality test should be sequenced to determine whether multiple basic amino acids are present at the cleavage site of the haemagglutinin molecule (HA0); if the amino acid motif is similar to that observed for other HPNAI isolates, the isolate being tested should be considered as HPNAI;
 
LPNAI
 
are all influenza A viruses of H5 and H7 subtype that are not HPNAI viruses.
 
 
 
http://www.oie.int/eng/normes/mcode/en_chapitre_2.7.12.htm - http://www.oie.int/eng/normes/mcode/en_chapitre_2.7.12.htm
 


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 22 2007 at 11:30pm
just found this...interesting. 
 
 
excerpt...
 
from..  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:H5N1 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:H5N1
 
Factory Farm v Migratory Birds as Vectors

A reference was removed to this study suggesting that industrial poultry operations - not migrating birds - are the main vector for transmission of avian flu: http://grain.org/briefings/?id=194 - http://grain.org/briefings/?id=194

The Lancet (Vol 6, April 2006, in Leading Edge) has picked up the story and backs the GRAIN study. Here is some relevant, and important, text:

Since mid-2005, the Food and Agriculture Organisation(FAO) and WHO have given wide prominence to the theory that migratory birds are carrying the H5N1 virus and infecting poultry fl ocks in areas that lie along their migratory route. Indeed, this is probably how the virus reached Europe. Unusually cold weather in the wetlands near the Black Sea, where the disease is now entrenched, drove migrating birds, notably swans, much further west than usual. But despite extensive testing of wild birds for the disease, scientists have only rarely identifi ed live birds carrying bird flu in a highly pathogenic form, suggesting these birds are not efficient vectors of the virus. Furthermore, the geographic spread of the disease does not correlate with migratory routes and seasons. The pattern of outbreaks follows major road and rail routes, not fl yways.
Far more likely to be perpetuating the spread of the virus is the movement of poultry, poultry products, or infected material from poultry farms—eg, animal feed and manure. But this mode of transmission has been down-played by international agencies, who admit that migratory birds are an easy target since nobody is to blame. However, GRAIN, an international, non-governmental organisation that promotes the sustainable management and use of agricultural biodiversity, recently launched a critical report titled
 
Fowl play: the poultry industry’s central role in the bird fl u crisis.
 
GRAIN points a finger at the transnational poultry industry as fuelling the epidemic. Over the years, large concentrations of (presumably stressed) birds have facilitated an increased affinity of the virus to chickens and other domestic poultry, with an increase in pathogenicity. Since the 1980s, the intensification of chicken production in eastern Asia has gained momentum, changing the whole dynamic of avian influenza viruses in the southern China epicentre, which has had far-reaching consequences for the rest of the world.

The Lancet story can be found here (subscription only): http://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/section?volume=6&issue=4&section=Leading+Edge - http://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/section?volume=6&issue=4&section=Leading+Edge http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mackinaw - Mackinaw 11:56, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

I moved it to the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H5N1_impact - H5N1 impact article in its Political sub-section. Feel free to add to it. Don't worry about proportions, as when and if it gets too big it can be split off into a seperate article. Just don't delete anything that is sourced. Feel free to spin it differently than I have, just try to be NPOV and always supply a neutral source or else clearly identify the source's biases. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:WAS_4.250 - WAS 4.250 16:59, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
Hmm. The issue is a scientific one, not political (though it does have political implications). GRAIN comes from a political perspective, of course, but their evidence for their claims are scientific - ie studying infection routes, which correlate with transport networks (rail & road) and not migratory paths. If GRAIN is a political group, so they are POV; but when Lancet, a (perhaps the) leading global medical journal agree that the focus on migratory birds as a vector is probably spurious, then it would indicate an issue here more than just spin, but rather science. that is: what are the causes of the outbreak; and what are the vectors of transmission? I guess the wikipedia article does focus on both, so fair enough, but the issue of virus spreading routes (human transport networks and not migratory paths) seem to me of relvance in this article, not on the politics page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mackinaw - Mackinaw 18:54, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
The best scientific evidence is that migratory birds play a part but no one has data on whether it is a small or large part. Any statements saying to ignore the migratory bird transmission path is political not scientific, as there is no scientific data to back up such a claim. The spurious claim that "most" transmission is not migratory is beside the point since most transmission is within countries not between countries and the issue of world-wide spread is an issue of between borders and between continents. A migratory bird just needs to cross a border once and nonmigratory bird transmission can spread it from there. The migratory bird issue was about can we contain it to south east asia or not and with knowledge that wild ducks wee transmitting it , it was clear to scientists that it could not be contained, only delayed. They were right. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:WAS_4.250 - WAS 4.250 20:13, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_2004 - October 2004 : Researchers discover H5N1 is far more dangerous than previously believed. "In the past, outbreaks of highly pathogenic avian influenza in poultry began following the primary introduction of a virus, of low pathogenicity, probably carried by a wild bird. The virus then required several months of circulation in domestic poultry in order to mutate from a form causing very mild disease to a form causing highly pathogenic disease, with a mortality approaching 100%. Only viruses of the H5 and H7 subtypes are capable of mutating to cause highly pathogenic disease. In the present outbreaks, however, asymptomatic domestic ducks can directly introduce the virus, in its highly pathogenic form, to poultry flocks." http://www.who.int/csr/don/2004_10_29/en/index.html - WHO Limiting this conclusion to domestic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterfowl - waterfowl proved to be wishful thinking, as in later months it became clear that nondomestic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterfowl - waterfowl were also directly spreading the highly pathogenic strain of H5N1 to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken - chickens , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crow - crows , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigeon - pigeons , and other birds and that it was increasing its ability to infect mammals as well. From this point on, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avian_flu - avian flu experts increasingly refer to containment as a strategy that can delay but not prevent a future avian flu pandemic. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2004 - November 2004 : The http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States - U.S. 's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Institutes_of_Health - National Institutes of Health 's (NIH) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Institute_of_Allergy_and_Infectious_Diseases - National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases 's (NIAID) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_Genome_Sequencing_Project - Influenza Genome Sequencing Project to provide complete sequence data for selected human and avian influenza isolates begins. http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v435/n7041/full/435423a.html - Nature article: "Race against time" from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_spread_of_H5N1 - Global spread of H5N1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:WAS_4.250 - WAS 4.250 20:18, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

OK makes sense. One point though - cross-border transmission *has* been linked to transport of domestic chickens, eg Nigerian imports of day-old chicks from China & Turkey (ref: same Lancet article). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mackinaw - Mackinaw 16:38, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
Yes. And not just live poultry. Check out Environmental survival at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmission_and_infection_of_H5N1 - Transmission and infection of H5N1 and you'll see why everything from frozen chicken to chicken**** (or even things just contaminated with chicken****) are potential sources of spread. Chickenfeathers from chickens that died weeks ago can carry live H5N1! Trucks must get their tires decomtaminated when moving from an H5N1 contaminated area. Also I read that some chicken farms' chicken**** is used as food for fish farms where migrating ducks frequent picking up the H5N1 from the **** (this example was from China, but other countries probably do this too). It's all interwoven and pointing a finger at one piece of the puzzle and saying ignore that piece is not helpful but is merely propaganda. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:WAS_4.250 - WAS 4.250 17:46, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
agreed. though the worry is if there's not enough finger-pointing at major source of problems, which is propaganda of a different kind. but the wikipedia article seems to cover all bases, so that's not a worry here - though it does seem to be a problem in most media coverage. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mackinaw - Mackinaw 19:03, 9 April 2006 (UTC)


Posted By: kparcell
Date Posted: February 23 2007 at 3:18am
Thanks Ann

That's a good piece of science writing (http://grain.org/briefings/?id=194) and the smoking gun that proves that

Factory farming is cause of BF
Industry is lying


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 23 2007 at 2:27pm
I don't like factory farming but it does seem to me that Free Range Poultry
farming would have to be far more dangerous than factory farming because
of the potential for stock to mingle with wild birds.

Indeed the only way to stop contact with wild birds in to enclose the
poultry in some sort of structure .


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 23 2007 at 3:06pm
What makes me wild is driving by a farm where the chickens are running
around the pigs :/


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 24 2007 at 4:49am
Originally posted by AnnHarra AnnHarra wrote:

What makes me wild is driving by a farm where the chickens are running
around the pigs :/
  How things spread ....   Welcome to H4N6.
 
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=chicken+and+pigs+on+farms&hl=en&rlz=1T4GFRC_enAU211AU211&oi=scholart - http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=chicken+and+pigs+on+farms&hl=en&rlz=1T4GFRC_enAU211AU211&oi=scholart

Isolation and Characterization of H4N6 Avian Influenza Viruses from Pigs with Pneumonia in Canada

Alexander I. Karasin,1 Ian H. Brown,2 Suzanne Carman,3 and Christopher W. Olsen1,*

Department of Pathobiological Sciences, School of Veterinary Medicine, University of Wisconsin---Madison, Madison, Wisconsin 537061; Veterinary Laboratory Agency---Weybridge, New Haw, Addlestone, Surrey KT15 3NB, United Kingdom2; and Animal Health Laboratory, University of Guelph, Guelph, Ontario N1H 6R8, Canada3

Received 16 May 2000/Accepted 14 July 2000

In October 1999, H4N6 influenza A viruses were isolated from pigs with pneumonia on a commercial swine farm in Canada. Phylogenetic analyses of the sequences of all eight viral RNA segments demonstrated that these are wholly avian influenza viruses of the North American lineage. To our knowledge, this is the first report of interspecies transmission of an avian H4 influenza virus to domestic pigs under natural conditions.

http://jvi.asm.org/cgi/content/abstract/74/19/9322 - http://jvi.asm.org/cgi/content/abstract/74/19/9322


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 25 2007 at 5:11am
 These cases and deaths all were reported to have had close contact with chicken and contracted H5N1 from that close contact .
Confirmed human cases of avian influenza A/(H5N1) since 2003
(Data as of 19 February 2007)

Cases Deaths
Country 03 04 05 06 07 Total 03 04 05 06 07 Total Comments
Azerbaijan 0 0 0 8 0 8 0 0 0 5 0 5 No new case reported since 11 April 2006.
Cambodia 0 0 4 2 0 6 0 0 4 2 0 6 No new case reported since 6 April 2006.
China 1 0 8 13 0 22 1 0 5 8 0 14 Latest case confirmed on 10 January 2007 in Tunxi in Anhui Provincewith onset of symptoms on 10 December 2006. The patient was discharged on 6 January.
Djibouti 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 No new case reported since 11 May 2006.
Egypt 0 0 0 18 4 22 0 0 0 10 3 13 New case confirmed on 19 February 2007. The case is a 5-year-old boy. He was admitted to hospital with symptoms on 14 February, and his condition remains stable. The boy was exposed to sick birds one week prior to the onset of symptoms. Contacts of the boy remain healthy and have been placed under close observation.
Indonesia 0 0 19 56 6 81 0 0 12 46 5 63 Latest fatal case confirmed on 29 January 2007 in Magelang District (Central Java Province). The case is a 6-year-old girl. She developed symptoms on 8 January 2007 and died in hospital on 19 January. Initial investigations into the source of her infection indicate exposure to dead poultry.
Iraq 0 0 0 3 0 3 0 0 0 2 0 2 No new case reported since 19 September 2006. Latest case, retrospectively reported, occured in March 2006.
Nigeria 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 1 1 Fatal case confirmed on 3 February 2007 in Lagos. The case is a a 22-year-old woman. She died on 16 January 2007. The initial positive test findings from a laboratory in Nigeria were confirmed by the WHO Collaborating Centre for Reference and Research on Influenza in London. Further investigations are under way to identify the source of her infection.
Thailand 0 17 5 3 0 25 0 12 2 3 0 17 No new case reported since 27 September 2006.
Turkey 0 0 0 12 0 12 0 0 0 4 0 4 No new case reported since 17 January 2006.
Vietnam 3 29 61 0 0 93 3 20 19 0 0 42 No new case reported since 14 November 2005.
  4 46 97 116 11 274 4 32 42 80 9 167  
Source: WHO

Table production: DG SANCO - Health Threat Unit
http://ec.europa.eu/health/ph_threats/com/Influenza/ai_current2_en.htm - http://ec.europa.eu/health/ph_threats/com/Influenza/ai_current2_en.htm


Posted By: kparcell
Date Posted: February 25 2007 at 3:02pm
Ross

The facts show that BF starts in factory farms and spreads to backyard poultry operations from factory farms, and that wild birds are not the significant carrier they were recently thought to be.


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 25 2007 at 3:14pm
Kparcel - The facts show that bird flu is  carried by wild birds . Clearly if they are allowed to mingle with poultry there is likely to be cross infection .

I am not saying anything about factory farms other than some how it
is necessary to seperate wild birds from poultry and the only way that I
can see to do that is to enclose the poultry in a shelter.


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 25 2007 at 3:21pm
How long has the BF been around???How long have we had factory farms??Please show the facts!!!!!


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 25 2007 at 3:22pm
They  dont help ,but noway  can be the cause!


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 25 2007 at 11:19pm
more on pigs and flu.....
 
 
http://www.pighealth.com/influenza2.htm - http://www.pighealth.com/influenza2.htm

*August 2004: H5N1 Bird Flu epidemic in Asia - Spread to Pigs in China: http://www.who.int/csr/don/2004_08_25/en/ - WHO   http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/3583856.stm - BBC

 

Influenza Virus Infections of Pigs - Part 2
 
Transmission between pigs and other species

 
by
Dr. Ian H. Brown

 

Pigs serve as major reservoirs of H1N1 and H3N2 influenza viruses and are often involved in interspecies transmission of influenza viruses.  The maintenance of these viruses in pigs and the frequent introduction of new viruses from other species could be important in the generation of pandemic strains of human influenza.

 

Transmission between humans and pigs

Early theories suggesting the transmission of virus from pigs to humans resulted in the 1918 pandemic were at the time speculative and it was not until 1976 that further evidence for such transmissions became available. Pigs were implicated as the source of infection when an H1N1 virus was isolated from a soldier who had died of influenza at Fort Dix, New Jersey, USA. The virus was identical to viruses isolated from pigs in the USA.  Furthermore, five other servicemen were shown to be infected by virus isolation, and serological evidence suggested that some 500 personnel at Fort Dix were, or had been, infected with the same virus (Hodder et al 1977; Top et al 1977).

 

The Fort Dix incident cannot be regarded as evidence of zoonosis, since although it was likely that pigs were the source of the virus this was never established.  However, there is considerable evidence that transmission from pigs to humans does occur as a result of the detection of antibodies to swine H1 viruses in people who have had close contact with pigs (Kluska et al 1961; Schnurrenberger et al 1970).  Final confirmation of the zoonotic nature of H1N1 influenza viruses from pigs came in 1976, when following an influenza epizootic in pigs, viruses isolated from the pigs and a human contact were shown to be both antigenically and genetically identical swine H1N1 influenza viruses (Hinshaw et al 1978, Easterday 1980b). Subsequently there have been several reports from North America of swine virus being isolated from humans with respiratory illness (Easterday 1978; Dasco et al 1984), occasionally with fatal consequences (Rota et al 1989; Wentworth et al 1994).  All cases examined followed contact with sick pigs and were due to viruses related most closely to classical swine H1N1 influenza virus. Perhaps of greater significance for humans is a report of two distinct cases of infection of children in the Netherlands during 1993 with H3N2 viruses whose genes encoding internal proteins were of avian origin (Claas et al 1994).  Genetically and antigenically related viruses had been detected in European pigs (Castrucci et al 1993) raising the possibility of potential transmission of avian influenza virus genes to humans following genetic reassortment in pigs.

 

Influenza viruses of subtype H3N2 are ubiquitous in animals and endemic in most pig populations worldwide, where they persist many years after their antigenic counterparts have disappeared from humans (Shortridge et al 1977; Haesebrouck et al 1985; Wibberley et al 1988; Brown et al 1995b) and therefore present a reservoir of virus which may in the future infect a susceptible human population.  There is no apparent evidence of pigs being infected with this subtype prior to the pandemic in humans in 1968.  Indeed the appearance of a H3N2 subtype variant strain in the pig population of a country appears to coincide with the epidemic strain infecting the human population at that time (Aymard et al 1980; Nerome et al 1981; Brown et al 1995b).

 

Further evidence of the spread of influenza viruses from humans to pigs was the appearance in pigs of H1N1 viruses (or antibodies to H1N1) related to those circulating in the human population since 1977 (Aymard et al 1980; Nerome et al 1982; Goto et al 1992; Brown et al 1995b). Genetic analysis of two strains of H1N1 virus isolated from pigs in Japan revealed that the HA and NA genes were most closely related to those of human H1N1 viruses circulating in the human population at that time (Katsuda et al 1995a).  In addition reassortant viruses with some characteristics of human H1 viruses have been isolated from pigs in England (Brown et al 1995a; Brown et al 1998).

 

Transmission between pigs and birds

The probable introduction of classical swine H1N1 influenza viruses to turkeys from infected pigs has been reported from North America (Mohan et al 1981; Pomeroy 1982; Halvorson et al 1992) and in some cases influenza-like illness in pigs has been followed immediately by disease signs in turkeys.  Serological studies have revealed antibodies to classical swine H1 influenza virus in both turkeys and pigs. Genetic analyses of H1N1 viruses from turkeys in the United States has revealed a high degree of genetic exchange and reassortment of influenza A viruses from turkeys and pigs, in the former species (Wright et al 1992). Hinshaw et al (1983) report the isolation of swine H1N1 virus from turkeys and the subsequent transmission to a laboratory technician who displayed fever, respiratory illness, virus shedding and seroconversion.  These findings raise the possibility that viruses from pigs, humans, turkeys and ducks may serve as source of virus for the other three. In Europe, avian H1N1 viruses were transmitted to pigs (see ‘avian-like’ H1N1 viruses), established a stable lineage and have subsequently been reintroduced to turkeys from pigs causing economic losses (Ludwig et al 1994; Wood et al 1997). Recently, H9N2 viruses have been introduced to pigs in south east Asia apparently from poultry (Shortridge personal communication) although their potential to spread and persist in pigs remains unknown.

 

 

Genetic reassortment

The potential role of the pig as a 'reassortment vessel'

The pig has been the leading contender for the role of intermediate host for reassortment of influenza A viruses.  Pigs are the only mammalian species which are domesticated, reared in abundance and are susceptible to, and allow productive replication of avian (Hinshaw et al 1981; Schultz et al 1991) and human (Chambers et al 1991) influenza viruses.  This susceptibility is due to the presence of both 2,3- and 2,6-galactose sialic acid linkages in cells lining the pig trachea which can result in modification of the receptor binding specificities of avian influenza viruses from 2,3 to 2,6 linkage (Ito et al 1998), which is the native linkage in humans, thereby providing a potential link from birds to humans.

 

The ability of an influenza virus to cross between species is controlled by the viral genes and the prevalence of transmission will depend on the animal species.  The success of interspecies transmission of influenza viruses depends on the viral gene constellation.  Successful transmission between species can follow genetic reassortment, with a progeny virus containing a specific gene constellation having the ability to replicate in the new host.  Reassorted viruses with other gene constellations may have a relatively low fitness, and will not be able to perpetuate in the new host (Webster et al 1992).

 

It has been shown that humans occasionally contract influenza viruses from pigs (see transmission).  The internal protein genes of human influenza viruses share a common ancestor with the genes of some swine influenza viruses. A number of authors have proposed the nucleoprotein (NP) gene as a determinant of host range which can restrict or attenuate virus replication (Scholtissek et al 1985; Tian et al 1985; Snyder et al 1987) thereby controlling the successful transmission of virus to a ‘new’ host.  These observations support the potential role of the pig as a mixing vessel of influenza viruses from avian and human sources.  The pig appears to have a broader host range in the compatibility of the NP gene in reassortant viruses (Scholtissek et al 1985) than both humans and birds.  Recent studies by Kida et al (1994), investigating experimentally the growth potential of a wide diversity of avian influenza viruses in pigs, indicate that these viruses (including representatives of subtypes H1 to H13), with or without HA types known to infect humans, can be transmitted to pigs.  Therefore the possibility for the introduction of avian influenza virus genes to humans via pigs could occur.  Furthermore, these studies showed that avian viruses which do not replicate in pigs can contribute genes in the generation of reassortants when coinfecting pigs with a swine influenza virus.

 

Evidence for the pig as a mixing vessel of influenza viruses of non swine origin has been demonstrated in Europe by Castrucci et al (1993), who detected reassortment of human and avian viruses in Italian pigs. Phylogenetic analyses of human H3N2 viruses circulating in Italian pigs revealed that genetic reassortment had been occurring between avian and ‘human-like’ viruses since 1983 (Castrucci et al 1993).  The unique co-circulation of influenza A viruses within European swine may lead to pigs serving as a mixing vessel for reassortment between influenza viruses from mammalian and avian hosts with unknown implications for both humans and pigs. It would appear that human H1 viruses are able to perpetuate in pigs following genetic reassortment.  Furthermore, these viruses may be maintained in pigs long after one or both of the progenitor viruses have disappeared from their natural hosts. Reassortant viruses of H1N2 subtype derived from human and avian viruses (Brown et al 1998) or H1N7 subtype derived from human and equine viruses (Brown et al 1994) have been isolated from pigs in Great Britain. The H1N2 viruses derived from a multiple reassortant event and spread widely within pigs in Great Britain. The H1N7 virus, comprised six genes from a human H1N1 virus which circulated in the human population during the late 1970's and two genes (NA and M) derived from an equine H7N7 virus which has not been isolated from horses since 1980, although there is serological evidence that this virus may be circulating in horses at marginal levels in some parts of the world (Mumford and Wood 1992; Madic et al 1996).  Genetic analyses of the HA and NA indicated a low rate of antigenic drift following transmission to pigs in contrast to the higher rate in the natural hosts. Other studies of influenza viruses isolated from pigs in North America (Wright et al 1992) and Southern China (Shu et al 1994) failed to detect any reassortant viruses containing internal protein gene segments of non swine origin, although genetic heterogeneity of the HA of swine H3 influenza viruses occurs in nature in China (Kida et al 1988).

 

 

Virus adaptation and pathogenesis

Pigs infected with human H1N1 or H3N2 influenza virus readily develop specific antibodies to these viruses.  As a result the transmission of human influenza viruses to pigs has been studied widely and monitored using serosurveillance methods.  However, it has been shown that pigs infected with some avian influenza viruses may not always produce a detectable antibody response due to the resulting transient infection inducing no or low levels of humoral antibody (Hinshaw et al 1981; Kida et al 1994).  These findings are of importance in studying the epidemiology of influenza virus in pigs, suggesting that serosurveillance may not be suitable for the detection of some reassortant or 'new' influenza viruses in pigs. Natural and experimental infection of pigs with an H1N7 human-equine reassortant virus did not induce detectable humoral antibody but the virus was able to transmit between pigs (Brown et al 1994). These findings demonstrate the potential value of monitoring pigs for influenza viruses using virus isolation.

 

Successful cross-species transmission of influenza virus is dependent on both host and virus genetic factors and subsequent spread within the new host population requires a period of adaptation of the virus to the new host (Webster et al 1992).  It is possible that following the transmission of an avian H1N1 virus to pigs in continental Europe in 1979 (Pensaert et al 1981), subsequent infection of pigs was usually subclinical since the virus was not well adapted to its new host.  It would appear that the introduction from continental Europe of an ‘avian-like’ swine H1N1 virus well adapted to its new host (Brown et al 1997), into an immunologically naive pig population, such as found in GB in 1992, may partly explain the rapid spread of the virus and its widespread association with disease outbreaks (Brown et al 1993), which was consistent with the epidemiology of the virus in pigs in Europe as a whole.  Interestingly, the widespread prevalence of antigenically related classical swine H1N1 viruses in pigs in GB (Brown et al 1995b) and continental Europe (Bachmann 1989) apparently failed to prevent infection with ‘avian-like’ swine H1N1 viruses.

 

The evolution and adaptation of human H3N2 viruses in pigs following transmission in the early 1970’s appeared similar to that of avian H1N1 viruses. In Europe, the presence of these human H3N2 viruses in pigs was for at least ten years based on antibody detection and it was not until 1984 that the virus was first associated directly with outbreaks of respiratory disease in pigs (Haesebrouck et al 1985) and such occurrences became increasingly more frequent thereafter (Wibberley et al 1988; Castrucci et al 1994).  Locally in many parts of Europe ‘swine adapted’ human H3N2 viruses became the predominant epidemic strain and still remain so for example in the ‘Low countries’ (De Jong et al 1999; Van Reeth, personal communication). Interestingly, H3N2 viruses circulating in pigs in Italy since 1983 all contain internal protein genes of avian origin, having replaced H3N2 viruses whose genotype is entirely human (Campitelli et al 1997), suggesting that the acquisition of internal protein genes from an avian virus adapted to pigs afforded a selection advantage to these reassorted viruses.

 

The results of serosurveillance studies have indicated that the prevailing human viruses of both H1N1 and H3N2 subtypes are transmitted to pigs, but fail to persist.  The frequent close contact between humans and pigs would facilitate the transmission of virus from humans to pigs.  It is not clear why these viruses fail to persist in pigs, but since immune selection is not considered important in pigs, strains with different antigenic characteristics may be disadvantaged compared to the 'highly-adapted' established viruses which continually circulate within a large susceptible population.  However, the recent detection of an H1N2 influenza virus in pigs in GB whose HA is related most closely to that of a human H1 virus from the early 1980's, suggests that the genes of human viruses may persist after reassortment with a one or more influenza viruses endemic in pigs, and following adaptation to pigs may often be associated with outbreaks of respiratory disease (Brown et al 1998).

 

Following interspecies transmission and/or genetic reassortment an influenza virus may undergo many pig to pig transmissions because of the continual availability of susceptible pigs. The mechanisms whereby an avian virus is able to establish a new lineage in pigs remain unknown, although following the introduction of an avian virus into European pigs in 1979, the mutation rate of this virus did not subsequently increase (Stech et al 1999). It would appear that the adaptive processes can take many years as occurred following transmission of both avian H1N1 and human H3N2 viruses to pigs. In future studies of the epidemiology of influenza viruses in pigs it would be desirable to characterise all the gene segments of viruses isolated to detect changing genotypes with potential implications for pathogenicity to pigs and/or other species.

 

 

Genetic variation

Phylogenetic analyses of influenza virus genes have revealed that they have evolved broadly in five major host-specific pathways comprising early and late equine viruses, human/classical swine viruses, H13 gull viruses and all other avian viruses.  Geographic patterns of evolution occur amongst bird populations forming sublineages relating to North America, Eurasia and Australasia.  Following transmission to pigs influenza virus genes evolve in the pathway of the host of origin but diverge forming a separate sublineage (Gorman et al 1991; Scholtissek et al 1993; Nerome et al 1995). All of the genes of human and classical swine viruses form a sister group since they share a common ancestor and the comparable rate of change in some genes such as NP is very similar (Gorman et al 1991).  However, analyses of the genes of avian viruses following their transmission to pigs in Europe revealed the highest evolutionary rates for influenza genes for a period of approximately ten years, and may be due to the virus possessing a mutator mutation in the polymerase complex (Ludwig et al 1995).

 

Genes that code for the surface proteins HA and NA, are subjected to the highest rates of change.  The HA gene of both the classical and ‘avian-like’ swine H1N1 viruses is undergoing genetic drift, being more marked in the latter.  However, genetic drift in the HA gene of swine H1N1 viruses is confined generally to regions unrelated to antigenic sites (Luoh et al 1992; Brown et al 1997), which is in marked contrast to genetic drift in the HA gene of human H1N1 viruses (Xu et al 1993).  The limited antigenic variation in the HA gene of swine viruses is probably due to the lack of significant immune selection in pigs because of the continual availability of nonimmune pigs.  The HA genes of classical swine H1N1 influenza virus isolates in North America have remained conserved both genetically and antigenically (Sheerar et al 1989; Luoh et al 1992; Bikour et al 1995) over a period of at least 25 years, but viruses distinguishable antigenically, although closely related, have been reported by Olsen et al (1993) and Wentworth et al (1994).  In addition, Rekik et al (1994) reported antigenic drift in the HA gene of recent isolates of swine H1N1 influenza virus in Canada associated with altered pathogenesis termed proliferative and necrotising pneumonia (Dea et al 1992). Following new introductions of influenza A virus to pigs, as occurred in south east Asia in 1993, close monitoring of the epizootiology of SI in a population is essential to determine the rate of change, which, if elevated, may facilitate further transmissions across the species barrier with potential implications for disease control in a range of other species including humans.

 

Influenza viruses of H3N2 subtype continue to circulate widely in pigs worldwide. The majority of these virsues are antigenically, related closely, to early human strains such as A/Port Chalmers/1/73.  The limited immune selection in pigs facilitates the persistence of these viruses, which may in future transmit to a susceptible human population.  However, some viruses although related closely to the prototype human viruses have antigenic differences in the surface glycoproteins and may cocirculate with the former strains. (Haesebrouck and Pensaert 1988; Kaiser et al 1991; Brown et al 1995a). ‘Human-like’ swine H3N2 viruses appear to be evolving independently in different lineages to those of human and avian strains (Castrucci et al 1994; De Jong et al 1999).  The rates of genetic drift in HA and NA genes is equivalent to those of H3N2 viruses in the human population but in contrast to the latter the changes are not generally associated with antigenic sites (Nerome et al 1995).  However, marked genetic drift resulting in considerable antigenic variation in the HA gene of ‘human-like’ H3N2 viruses in European pigs, has led to an apparent increase in epizootics attributable to this virus (De Jong et al 1999). In addition, the prevailing epidemic strains in the human population are transmitted frequently to pigs (Nerome et al 1995; Katsuda et al 1995b; Shu et al 1996) and these viruses are clearly distinguishable antigenically from the early human viruses established in pigs.

 

 

Conclusions

Pigs serve as a major reservoirs of H1N1 and H3N2 influenza viruses which are endemic in pig populations worldwide and are responsible for one of the most prevalent respiratory diseases in pigs. The maintenance of these viruses in pigs and the frequent exchange of viruses between pigs and other species is facilitated directly by swine husbandry practices which provide for a continual supply of susceptible pigs which have regular contact with other species particularly humans.  The pig has been a contender for the role of intermediate host for reassortment of influenza A viruses of avian and human origin since they are the only mammalian species which are domesticated, reared in abundance and are susceptible to, and allow productive replication, of avian and human influenza viruses. This could lead to the generation of new strains of influenza some of which may be able to transmit to other species including humans. This concept is supported by the detection of human-avian reassortant viruses in European pigs with some evidence for subsequent transmission to the human population.  Following interspecies transmission to pigs some influenza viruses may be extremely unstable genetically, giving rise to many virus variants, which could be conducive to the species barrier being breached a second time. Eventually a stable lineage derived from the dominant variant may become established in pigs.  Genetic drift occurs in the genes of these viruses, particularly those encoding the external glycoproteins, but does not usually result in the same antigenic variability that occurs in the prevailing strains in the human population. Finally, it would appear that adaptation of a ‘newly’ transmitted influenza virus to pigs can take many years. Both human H3N2 and avian H1N1 were detected in pigs many years before they acquired the ability to spread rapidly and become associated with disease epidemics in pigs.



Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 25 2007 at 11:49pm

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?itool=abstractplus&db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=abstractplus&list_uids=15036530 - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?itool=abstractplus&db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=abstractplus&list_uids=15036530

Experimental dual infection of pigs with an H1N1 swine influenza virus (A/Sw/Hok/2/81) and Mycoplasma hyopneumoniae.

  • http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Search&itool=pubmed_AbstractPlus&term=%22Yazawa+S%22%5BAuthor%5D - Yazawa S ,
  • http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Search&itool=pubmed_AbstractPlus&term=%22Okada+M%22%5BAuthor%5D - Okada M ,
  • http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Search&itool=pubmed_AbstractPlus&term=%22Ono+M%22%5BAuthor%5D - Ono M ,
  • http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Search&itool=pubmed_AbstractPlus&term=%22Fujii+S%22%5BAuthor%5D - Fujii S ,
  • http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Search&itool=pubmed_AbstractPlus&term=%22Okuda+Y%22%5BAuthor%5D - Okuda Y ,
  • http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Search&itool=pubmed_AbstractPlus&term=%22Shibata+I%22%5BAuthor%5D - Shibata I ,
  • http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Search&itool=pubmed_AbstractPlus&term=%22Kida+H%22%5BAuthor%5D - Kida H .

Zen-noh Institute of Animal Health, 7 Ohja-machi, Sakura, Chiba 285-0043, Japan. yazawas@zk.zennoh.or.jp

Dual infection of pigs with swine influenza virus (SIV) and Mycoplasma hyopneumoniae was carried out to compare the clinical and pathological effects of dual infection in caesarian derived and colostrums deprived (CDCD) pigs, with that of a single infection with M. hyopneumoniae.

In Experiment 1, 40-day-old CDCD pigs were inoculated only with SIV (A/Sw/Hok/2/81, H1N1). The virus was isolated from nasal swabs for 5-6 days. None of these pigs showed clinical signs of infection throughout the experimental period. These results suggested that this strain can infect pigs but is only slightly pathogenic when it is inoculated singly to a CDCD pig. In Experiment 2, 60-day-old CDCD pigs were inoculated with M. hyopneumoniae and then were inoculated with SIV (A/Sw/Hok/2/81) at 1 week (MHYO-7d-SIV-7d group) or 3 weeks (MHYO-21d-SIV-7d group) after M. hyopneumoniae inoculation.
Macroscopically, dark red-to-purple lung lesions were observed in all of pigs at 14 or 28 days post-inoculation. Percentages of dark red-to-purple lung lesions in dual infection groups (MHYO-7d-SIV-7d group: 18.7 +/- 4.2%, MHYO-21d-SIV-7d group: 23.0 +/- 8.0%) were significantly (P < 0.05) increased compared to those of each control group in which pigs were inoculated only with M. hyopneumoniae (MHYO-14d group: 4.7 +/- 2.9%, MHYO-28 group: 3.3 +/- 2.4%).
Microscopically, bronchial epithelial lesions (epithelial disruption, degeneration, hyperplasia and formation of microabscess) were frequently observed in dark red-to-purple lung lesions of only the dual infection groups. These results demonstrate that the lung lesion of pigs inoculated with M. hyopneumoniae and SIV is more severe than that of pigs inoculated only with M. hyopneumoniae.

PMID: 15036530 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]



Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 26 2007 at 1:44am
AnnHara - scary stuff . 

Is it normal in America for large operations to mix pigs and poultry ?

I would have expected to see it more in small family farms.


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 26 2007 at 4:16am
I don't see any way around factory farming. THe world is stuffed with people, somehow enough food has to be produced. I just don't see the ability to produce enough food without factory farming.


Posted By: kparcell
Date Posted: February 26 2007 at 4:43am
mach

Since almost every BF case proceeds out of factory farms, when factory farming ends, then BF threat very possibly will end.

If Factory Farming ends there will be a tremendous boom in ranching, and hundreds of millions of people who would otherwise starve will be fed. Today there are nearly 1,000,000,000 families that raise livestock.

On the other hand, the middle class will see a temporary shortage of meat, probably not long enough to have a statistical effect on health, but it's possible that middle class people will eat so little meat that they will live longer.
    


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 26 2007 at 5:21am
Originally posted by kparcell kparcell wrote:

]Here is a link to an article in an Australian newspaper that invites short essays for the online version.

Any of you Aussies think they'd print one calling for a boycott of factory farms?

http://www.smh.com.au/news/heckler/feathers-fly-to-prove-there-is-such-a-thing-as-a-free-lunch/2007/02/22/1171733947893.html - http://www.smh.com.au/news/heckler/feathers-fly-to-prove-there-is-such-a-thing-as-a-free-lunch/2007/02/22/1171733947893.html
 Kparcell hi       thanks for the above story , this info is from Australia  on factory farming , seems we are very much in the shame file so to speak . I hope someone gifted with the keyboard will send in short essays . Here's a little of our shame file......    Where is our Bio Security ????? We can't be this lucky not to have serious problems yet ....
http://www.alv.org.au/campaigns.php - http://www.alv.org.au/campaigns.php

BATTERY HENS

Battery hens suffer for their entire lives crammed in tiny wire cages unable to walk, flap their wings or scratch in the soil. Battery hens are some of the most abused animals on the planet. ALV was founded in 1978 specifically to help these intelligent birds. Since this time ALV has worked tirelessly to draw public attention to these animals. The campaign involves everything from educating the public, to rescuing hens from their cage prisons and filming their appalling conditions. Our open rescue teams have conducted numerous investigations at battery hen factory farms around Australia and the world, documenting cruel and illegal conditions and rescuing sick and injured birds. ALV does not endorse or promote any commercial egg production because half the chicks hatched are male and killed at day old by the egg industry because they’ll never lay eggs, they are macerated in industrial blenders, suffocated in plastic bags or drowned in buckets at day old. And all laying hens used in commercial egg production are slaughtered prematurely when their economic productivity decreases. To get involved in the campaign please contact mailto:banbatterycages@alv.org.au - banbatterycages@alv.org.au

KEEPING THE RSPCA HONEST

ABC’s Four Corners last year ran an investigative report on the RSPCA turning a blind eye to cruelty for the benefit of commercial interests. ALV is keeping the pressure on the RSPCA over their continued failure to help all creatures great and small. The RSPCA is authorised under Section 24 of the Victorian Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act to prosecute for cruelty to animals. The RSPCA has consistently ignored clearly documented cases of animal abuse on factory farms. Despite being presented with clear video and photographic evidence of horrific animal suffering at numerous factory farms (including PACE farms, Australia’s largest battery egg producer) by the ALV animal rescue team, the RSPCA has never launched a cruelty prosecution. What the RSPCA has done, to their disgrace, is enter into a business arrangement with PACE FARMS that makes them hundreds of thousands of dollars. ALV has attended all of the RSPCA’s major public events handing out our “RSPCA checklist leaflet” to educate the public about what’s wrong with the RSPCA. To get involved in the campaign please contact mailto:rspcacampaign@alv.org.au - rspcacampaign@alv.org.au .

BROILER CHICKENS   see Annharra's post on broiler chickens .

Broiler chickens are birds raised for their flesh. Globally over 46 billion chickens are killed for meat each year making them, along with fish, the most abused animal on the planet. They are crowded into warehouse sized sheds holding between 40,000 - 64,000 birds and 'grown' to adult size in only eight short weeks through the use of growth promotants and cruel 'skip-a day' feeding regimes on parent birds. This abnormal growth rate causes widespread crippling and lameness due to the extreme weight forced onto young unformed bones. Their bedding is never changed and they must sit or lay on the accumulated droppings of 40,000 other animals. The stench inside these sheds is overwhelming. ALV recently conducted a fourteen month investigation into Parkhurst Farms, a huge ‘broiler’ chicken factory farm near Melbourne and exposed horrific cruelty as well as dead birds left rotting in the sheds being eaten by other birds. The investigation, which included the rescue of over 200 sick birds, has already received national coverage in Australia and New Zealand. ALV’s 80 page photographic cruelty complaint is keeping the plight of these birds raised for their flesh in the headlines and is also used for reference in objections to planning permit applications against building even more of these unhealthy and filthy animal concentration camps. To get involved in the campaign please contact mailto:broilercruelty@alv.org.au - broilercruelty@alv.org.au or visit http://www.openrescue.org/ - www.openrescue.org to find out more about our chicken industry investigations.

KFC CRUELTY

ALV are part of the global campaign against KFC, aimed at stopping the company's routine cruelty to animals. ALV have conducted numerous undercover investigations into KFC supplier farms and documented immense cruelty to animals, including birds with broken and crippled legs, birds dying of starvation and dehydration, birds crammed in with and eating decomposing corpses, and birds suffering from a range of debilitating diseases. At the slaughterhouse many of these birds are fully conscious when their throats are cut and when they are dropped into scalding water to remove their feathers. ALV also conduct weekly demonstrations outside Melbourne’s busiest KFC and have handed out over 100,000 leaflets, posters and postcards detailing KFC’s cruelty to animals to customers and passers by, many of whom have been horrified to learn about the suffering involved in the ‘colonel’s secret recipe’. To get involved in the campaign please contact mailto:kfccruelty@alv.org.au - kfccruelty@alv.org.au or visit http://www.openrescue.org/ - www.openrescue.org



Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 26 2007 at 5:32am
This is a very good read on updated events...
 
href= - Factory Farms, Bird Flu and Global Warming « Stephen Leahy ...
Unregulated zoning and subsidies that encourage these CAFOs or factory farms are moving closer to major urban areas in China, Bangladesh, India, and many ...
stephenleahy.wordpress.com/2007/02/20/factory-farms-bird-flu-and-global-warming/ - 32k - http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:EQokDFgZET4J:stephenleahy.wordpress.com/2007/02/20/factory-farms-bird-flu-and-global-warming/+how+many+chicken+factory+farms+in+australia&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=28 - Cached - http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1T4GFRC_enAU211AU211&q=related:stephenleahy.wordpress.com/2007/02/20/factory-farms-bird-flu-and-global-warming/ - Similar pages
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Posted By: kparcell
Date Posted: February 26 2007 at 5:36am
The grandfather of all oldboy industries is meat. These cowboys own the oil industry, a new and temporary diversion. Candles, you ask, "Where is our biosecurity?" The industry is betting they can control bird flu until it dissapears. That failing, in the the US we have FEMA.


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 26 2007 at 9:22am
After we ban factory farming, lets ban all vehicles to end the needles deaths that occur every day. Lets think of the children! I would also be for the mass slaughtering of all cows and chickens. We can all become vegetarians and not have to worry about contracting these horrible diseases.


Posted By: kparcell
Date Posted: February 26 2007 at 10:46am
"And it would be better and healthier to get meat from small-scale, localised production systems. Factory farms provide cheap meat only because the real costs in terms of air and water pollution, terrible conditions for workers and animals and so on are not factored in," said the author of the report, Danielle Nierenberg, a Worldwatch research associate.

http://www.healthtruthrevealed.com/full-page.php?id=1236565302&&page=article - http://www.healthtruthrevealed.com/full-page.php?id=1236565302&&page=article
    


Posted By: kparcell
Date Posted: February 26 2007 at 11:06am
"We need an urgent investigation into the links between bird flu, intensive farming methods and the increasing international movement of eggs and poultry products around the world.

"A growing number of researchers suggest that industrialised farming provides the perfect conditions for low-pathogenic versions of the disease to mutate into much more virulent strains – warm, crowded, nutrient-rich environments, heavy with “viral load” – and that it is the burgeoning international trade in live birds, hatching eggs and other poultry products that is primarily responsible for their spread from country to country."

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/f23b5320-c4e4-11db-b110-000b5df10621.html - http://www.ft.com/cms/s/f23b5320-c4e4-11db-b110-000b5df10621.html

God Bless Caroline Lucas: "The writer is a Green party Euro-MP for south-east England and was vice-president of the European Parliament’s inquiry into the UK government’s handling of the 2001 foot-and-mouth disease."


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 26 2007 at 1:10pm
Originally posted by kparcell kparcell wrote:

mach

Since almost every BF case proceeds out of factory farms, when factory farming ends, then BF threat very possibly will end.

If Factory Farming ends there will be a tremendous boom in ranching, and hundreds of millions of people who would otherwise starve will be fed. Today there are nearly 1,000,000,000 families that raise livestock.

On the other hand, the middle class will see a temporary shortage of meat, probably not long enough to have a statistical effect on health, but it's possible that middle class people will eat so little meat that they will live longer.
    


kparcell,

not disputing the horrors of crouding animals in their own feces. In order to not have factory farms though, there has to be enough land available and owned by the right people to free range animals.

I know I could stand to eat less meat. I'm trying to eat meat only a few times per week. I'ld rather eat beans and rice instead of chicken anyday. I just don't know if the numbers add up to be able to produce enough withoutr factory ranching. I guess like you said, there would be a transition period.


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 26 2007 at 4:17pm

Link for consumer affairs Irradiation Debate updates , posted for the info below on slaughter houses , check the numbers per minute..........Ouch

  http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2007/02/pubcit_irradiation.html - http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2007/02/pubcit_irradiation.html

Irradiation is cheap, costing consumers less than five cents per pound for meat or poultry, when done on large volumes of food products.

Not the Answer

But Food & Water Watch, a Washington-based organization, contends that irradiation is not the answer to food safety problems.

"That 5,000 people in the United States die every year from foodborne illnesses is tragic," said Food & Water Watch Executive Director Wenonah Hauter. "Food producers need to address the source of the problem -- too fast processing lines and dirty conditions at plants -- not promote an expensive, impractical and ineffective technology like irradiation."

Irradiation does not kill all the bacteria in food and may undermine other food safety efforts by masking filthy conditions and encouraging improper handling, Hauter said.

She said irradiation can mask filthy conditions in today's mega-sized livestock slaughterhouses and food processing plants. Slaughterhouses process up to 400 cows per hour or 200 birds per minute, posing an enormous sanitation challenge where E. coli, Salmonella and other potentially deadly food-borne pathogens can be spread through feces, urine and pus.

"Americans do not want to eat feces and pus even if it has been irradiated," Hauter said. "Instead of encouraging expensive treatments like irradiation, USDA should give meat inspectors the tools to test products at the plant and ensure that contaminated meat never reaches restaurants or supermarket shelves."

Food & Water Watch also argues that irradiating the U.S. food supply would be extraordinarily expensive, requiring about 80 multimillion dollar irradiation facilities.

Although the U.S. Food & Drug Administration has approved irradiation of many foods, Food & Water Watch claims the supporting data were "paltry and flawed."

Weighing in to support irradiation is the American Council on Science and Health, which yesterday said irradiation "could greatly reduce illness from foodborne pathogens and make our already safe food supply even safer."



Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 27 2007 at 1:35am
I ain't a tree-hugger. I will continue to drive my SUV, and get my food from factory ranches and farms.
 
Your 'transition period' will mean a lot of folks will be eating rice&beans, or that soy crap.
 
First, you'll get the TPTB to put a ban on factory farming/ranching. Then you'll get them to put a ban on those 'gas-guzzlin SUVs'. Then you'll say, we need to be a 'greener' nation, and depend less on oil, coal, and nuclear power, that we need to develop solar and wind more effectively. Then, of course, you'll move to ban all internal combustion engines, cause of course, you got them to ban the SUV, cause it's good for the environment and other BS.
 
You're almost as fanatical as that idiot Gore. And hey, go figure, according to a Tennessee think tank, Gore uses 20x (twenty times!) the amount of electricity and gas in a month, that a normal US household uses in a YEAR.
 
Hello, Mr. Pot? Kettle Black calling Mr. Pot...


Posted By: kparcell
Date Posted: February 27 2007 at 4:00am
Hi mach

Shutting down factory farming would only affect availability of meat temporarily and soon feed more people, but the point is that it would probably end the bird flu threat. And the best chance for the meat industry is to get ahead of the curve on this and return to ranching. Unfortunately, the meat industry doesn't have a strong progressive base, so it's unlikely it will handle the danger here well to it or us.

<DIV><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Chronic_wasting_disease_dec_2004.jpg">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Chronic_wasting_disease_dec_2004.jpg</A></DIV>
    
    
    


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 27 2007 at 4:47am
Originally posted by kparcell kparcell wrote:

Unfortunately, the meat industry doesn't have a strong progressive base, so it's unlikely it will handle the danger here well to it or us.
    
    
 
Uhm, since when? Ever been to a real WORKING ranch? Most ranchers I know are all about the latest tech, trying to get better genetics to advance the breeds, producing more meat with smaller herds.
Next thing you'll say is that hunting is a bad thing.


Posted By: kparcell
Date Posted: February 27 2007 at 5:00am
http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=36651 - http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=36651

I believe that factory farming should be immediately banned globally, just as was done with ozone-depleting chemicals.

End Bird Flu = End Factory Farming

    
    


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 27 2007 at 7:05am
 
"...Next thing you'll say is that hunting is a bad thing. ..."
...................................................................................
 
 
 
 
 
 
game must be inspected.. and hunting is dangerous if the warnings are not heeded.
..................................
 
There will be an impact on US Hunters when LPAI becomes HPAI
 
as in states in the  EU....
 
.....................................................................................................
 
http://www.iisd.ca/ymb/ais/ymbvol123num1e.html - http://www.iisd.ca/ymb/ais/ymbvol123num1e.html
 
 
"...He said the EC works closely with the European Member States to develop an EU-wide response and biosecurity strategies. On implications for wild bird conservation, Lentner highlighted the EU Birds Directive, which provides for protection of wild birds and regulation of hunting.
 
He underscored the EC’s
 
position on culling, which is that it is neither advisable nor justifiable, has little scientific support, and may facilitate the spread of the virus.
 
He said hunting is now prohibited in areas of outbreaks and live decoys are banned in high-risk areas...."
 
.............................................................
 
thanks, great site.
 
http://wildlifedisease.nbii.gov/ai/ - http://wildlifedisease.nbii.gov/ai/
 
 
 
States showing....H5N1
 
http://wildlifedisease.nbii.gov/ai/LPAI-Table.jsp - http://wildlifedisease.nbii.gov/ai/LPAI-Table.jsp
 
....................................................................................................
 
 H5N1 isn't the only problem.
 
.................................................
 from this thread...
http://www.avianflutalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13171&KW=hunting&PID=116653#116653 - http://www.avianflutalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13171&KW=hunting&PID=116653#116653
 
 
 
 
Info from USDA BY STATE-
 
http://www.aphis.usda.gov/vs/nahps/cwd/cwd-stateinfo.html - http://www.aphis.usda.gov/vs/nahps/cwd/cwd-stateinfo.html
 
 
 
 
This info below is mainly from... 2004
 
 
 
From-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_wasting_disease - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_wasting_disease

Chronic wasting disease

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

Chronic wasting disease (CWD) is a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmissible_spongiform_encephalopathy - transmissible spongiform encephalopathy (TSE) of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deer - deer and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Deer - American elk (wapiti). TSEs are caused by unusual http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infectious_disease - infectious agents known as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prion - prions . To date, CWD has been found only in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cervid - cervids (members of the deer family). First recognized as a clinical "wasting" syndrome in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967 - 1967 in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mule_deer - mule deer in a wildlife research facility in northern http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado - Colorado , it was identified as a TSE in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978 - 1978 . CWD is typified by chronic weight loss leading to death. There is no known relationship between CWD and any other TSE of animals or people.

 
CWD also has been diagnosed in farmed elk and deer herds in a number of States and in two Canadian provinces. The first positive farmed elk herd in the United States was detected in 1997 in South Dakota.

In the mid-1980s, CWD was detected in free-ranging deer and elk in contiguous portions of northeastern Colorado and southeastern Wyoming.
 
In May 2001, CWD was also found in free-ranging deer in the southwestern corner of Nebraska (adjacent to Colorado and Wyoming) and later in additional areas in western Nebraska.
 
The limited area of northern Colorado, southern Wyoming, and western Nebraska in which free-ranging deer and/or elk positive for CWD have been found is referred to as the endemic area.
 
Soon after diagnosis of the disease as a TSE, Colorado and Wyoming wildlife management agencies stopped the movement of deer and elk from their research facilities; wild cervids have not been translocated from the endemic area.
 
In 2002, CWD also has been detected in wild deer in south-central Wisconsin, southwestern South Dakota, the western slope of Colorado, southern New Mexico, and northern Illinois.
 
CWD also has been diagnosed in farmed elk and deer herds in a number of States and in two Canadian provinces. The first positive farmed elk herd in the United States was detected in 1997 in South Dakota.
 
Since then, 25 additional positive elk herds and three positive farmed deer herds have been found:
 
South Dakota (7), Nebraska (4), Colorado (10), Oklahoma (1), Kansas (1), Minnesota (1), Montana (1), Wisconsin (2) and New York (1).
 
An additional case has also been reported in West Virginia. As of October 2002, three of these 27 positive herds remain under State quarantine.
Twenty-three of the herds have been depopulated or have been slaughtered and tested, and the quarantine has been lifted from one herd that underwent rigorous surveillance with no further evidence of disease.
 
CWD also has been found in farmed elk in the Canadian provinces of Saskatchewan and Alberta and in free-ranging mule deer in Saskatchewan.
 
Species that have been affected with CWD include
Rocky Mountain elk (Wapiti),
mule deer,
white-tailed deer,
black-tailed deer, and
moose.
 
Other ruminant species, including wild ruminants and domestic cattle, sheep, and goats, have been housed in wildlife facilities in direct or indirect contact with CWD-affected deer and elk with no evidence of disease transmission. There is ongoing research to further explore the possibility of transmission of CWD to other species
 
 
Distribution of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_wasting_disease - chronic wasting disease in the North America in December 2004
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Chronic_wasting_disease_dec_2004.jpg - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Chronic_wasting_disease_dec_2004.jpg
 


Posted By: kparcell
Date Posted: February 27 2007 at 7:14am
Here is the best and most objective science:

http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=36651 - http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=36651

Factory farming could be immediately banned globally, just as was done with ozone-depleting chemicals.

What is factory farming? WARNING: THE FOLLOWING VIDEO CONTAINS SCENES OF EXTREME VIOLENCE:

http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/video.asp?video=meet_your_meat&Player=wm&speed=_med - http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/video.asp?video=meet_your_meat&Player=wm&speed=_med

Factory farms or Bird Flu? Our choice.


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 27 2007 at 8:50am

What did that video have to do with People Eating Tasty Animals?

It's the other PETA group...they're about as believable as the ELF. Aren't they the group that's on trial for illegal disposal of animals?


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 27 2007 at 8:51am

Shutting down factory farming is not going to end the threat of the avian flu. A more realistic approach would be for the world to eliminate all birds. If we kill all the birds in the world, this would put an end to it! How far are we truly willing to go to protect our children? I say 'KILL THE BIRDS, SAVE THE CHILDREN'!



Posted By: kparcell
Date Posted: February 27 2007 at 9:31am
Here is the best and most objective science:

http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=36651 - http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=36651

Factory farming could be immediately banned globally, just as was done with ozone-depleting chemicals.

What is factory farming? WARNING: THE FOLLOWING VIDEO CONTAINS SCENES OF EXTREME VIOLENCE:

http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/video.asp?video=meet_your_meat&Player=wm&speed=_med - http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/video.asp?video=meet_your_meat&Player=wm&speed=_med

Factory farms or Bird Flu? Our choice.
    


Posted By: kparcell
Date Posted: February 27 2007 at 10:02am
Story posted at Worldwatch site:

http://www.worldwatch.org/node/4925 - http://www.worldwatch.org/node/4925


Posted By: kparcell
Date Posted: February 27 2007 at 10:41am
Report Blames Flu on Industrial Poultry Farms Not Backyard Birds
By staff | Feb 27, 2006

http://www.keepmedia.com/pubs/EnvironmentNewsService/2006/02/27/1254939?cl=&pbl=222 - http://www.keepmedia.com/pubs/EnvironmentNewsService/2006/02/27/1254939?cl=&pbl=222


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 27 2007 at 3:02pm
Originally posted by BoJingles BoJingles wrote:

A more realistic approach would be for the world to eliminate all birds. If we kill all the birds in the world, this would put an end to it!  I say 'KILL THE BIRDS, SAVE THE CHILDREN'!
 
Hmmm, must dig out my recipes for pigeon, aka the free-range urban chicken!
 
 


Posted By: kparcell
Date Posted: February 27 2007 at 3:37pm
UK leads Poultry Boycott

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/6402655.stm - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/6402655.stm


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 27 2007 at 4:00pm
Give it up guys !

lets face it , the spread of Bird flu is a combination of

1.  The transmission by wild birds.

2.  Trade in poultry ( sale )

3.  Spread within flocks of  farmed poultry whether large operations
     or small holdings.

4.  Other creatures , bats , rats , cats etc .
   

Whether disease spread is caused by factory farms depends very much
on the quality of the operation and it is impossible to generalize .
Some operations are very well run and others are horrendous .


If you want to ban factory farming I suggest you argue on the grounds of
cruelty rather than spread of disease.

There is also a great suspicion that the people producing many of  these
reports have their own little wheel barrow to push at the expense
of scientific honesty.

Personally speaking , if bird flu comes to my area I would eat a factory
chook before a free-range chook every time .






Posted By: kparcell
Date Posted: February 27 2007 at 4:45pm
Factory Farms or Bird Flu? Our choice:

http://www.keepmedia.com/pubs/EnvironmentNewsService/2006/02/27/1254939?cl=&pbl=222 - http://www.keepmedia.com/pubs/EnvironmentNewsService/2006/02/27/1254939?cl=&pbl=222


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 27 2007 at 5:52pm
Avian genocide or bird flu! Our choice!!


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 27 2007 at 9:54pm
A professor mine once had this to say about the science and math in published papers...
 
There are lies, damned lies, and statistics.
 
A reputable scientist can manipulate the numbers to say anything he or she wants them to say.  You say 50% of the men in the world are bald? I say that 50% have exhibited miraculous hair growth and that they must be studied to determine what sets them apart from everyone else. Ya know, i could probably get a gov't grant to study this condition...well, maybe if i was a scientist i could...
 
So don't believe everything you read, even in reputable journals. I mean, there was a time when reputable journals claimed that the world was flat, that mankind could never achieve flight, and that a journey to the moon was preposterous.
 
This factory farming is a theory, albeit one with some form of empirical evidence. But it may yet be discovered that there is something underlying the supposed cause, and when that happens, the theory will change, and people will look foolish to have blamed it all on factory farming.


Posted By: kparcell
Date Posted: February 28 2007 at 6:55am
As a scientist working in disaster preparedness, I have to respect the evidence, which now supports the various factory-farm cause hypotheses with a solid theory based on all of the evidence. I don't want to engage in arguing the science on the internet because it won't help, but it is interesting and instructive to see the attempts to portray the slight doubt that remains as outweighing the best science. I don't run into any of that among serious people, so it's good to get a preview of the industry marketing campaign that the WHO and others will have to contend with as they incorporate these new and solid findings into their policy.

Unfortunately, there's no international body that can prohibit factory farming, so it's up to consumers to reduce consumption and so reduce factory farming until the world reaches agreement. Considering the dramatic rise in public awareness after the Bernard Matthews outbreak, and the tremendous drop in consumption that followed, we could see a resolution this year if outbreaks continue.

(imho :)
    
Here is a link to an industry publication reporting today on further poultry job losses linked to drop in demand:

http://www.worldpoultry.net/ts_wo/worldpoultry.portal/enc/_nfpb/true/tswo_portlet_news_singleeditorschoice1_3_actionOverride/___2Fportlets___2Fts___2Fge___2Fnews_singleeditorschoice1___2Fcontent___2FshowDetailsList/_windowLabel/tswo_portlet_news_singleeditorschoice1_3/tswo_portlet_news_singleeditorschoice1_3id/13305/_desktopLabel/worldpoultry/_pageLabel/tswo_page_news_content/ - http://www.worldpoultry.net/ts_wo/worldpoultry.portal/enc/_nfpb/true/tswo_portlet_news_singleeditorschoice1_3_actionOverride/___2Fportlets___2Fts___2Fge___2Fnews_singleeditorschoice1___2Fcontent___2FshowDetailsList/_windowLabel/tswo_portlet_news_singleeditorschoice1_3/tswo_portlet_news_singleeditorschoice1_3id/13305/_desktopLabel/worldpoultry/_pageLabel/tswo_page_news_content/

Another pointer to a rapid resolution is suggested by the current precipitous drop in Asian and world markets on the day that Indonesian banks advised investors that flood and bird flu mean falling economy:

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/02/27/bloomberg/sxasia.php - http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/02/27/bloomberg/sxasia.php


Posted By: kparcell
Date Posted: February 28 2007 at 7:57am
Here is a report on the financial state of the factory farming poultry industry in the southeast US, where I live, that mentions that bird flu has recently impacted prices, and that feed prices have soared because of weather.

http://www.247wallst.com/2007/02/safm_chicken_pu.html - http://www.247wallst.com/2007/02/safm_chicken_pu.html


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 28 2007 at 7:11pm
if we kill all the birds ....the bugs will eat us up.
.......................................................................................
 
http://www.cms.int/news/PRESS/nwPR2006/april/nw110406_avian_influenza_seminar.htm - http://www.cms.int/news/PRESS/nwPR2006/april/nw110406_avian_influenza_seminar.htm
 
 
 
Human-Induced Environmental Change is Root Cause of Avian Influenza
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picture F. KeilThe Avian Influenza Seminar held by CMS and AEWA in partnership with UNEP was successfully concluded at UNEP Headquarters in Nairobi, Kenya 11 April 2006. At the invitation of the CMS Secretariat 21 experts focused on epidemiology and human aspects of avian influenza; avian influenza and wild birds; early warning systems and development of risk assessment models; and outcomes of recent initiatives and national and regional case studies. Observers and experts increased attendance to more than 50.

Resolutions and recommendations adopted during a round table give advice on preventing or mitigating the spread of H5N1. They include surveillance, early warning and risk assessment; priority short-term needs; longer-term needs; collaboration and cooperation; and next steps. Delegates vowed to enhance their collaboration towards developing effective mechanisms to contain the spread of highly pathogenic avian influenza (HPAI).

Dr Peter Schei, President of BirdLife International who chaired the meeting called for more scientific research: “We need to establish an enhanced cooperation system including short-term surveillance mechanisms to identify the species that contribute to the spread of HPAI and trade impacts.”

Robert Hepworth, CMS Executive Secretary and coordinator of the Scientific Task Force said: “We need a balanced, science-based approach that takes into account the potential role of human movements and unsustainable and unhygienic poultry husbandry practices and trade.” With regard to the global importance of the resolutions recently adopted by the Agreement on the Conservation of African-Eurasian Migratory Waterbirds (AEWA), the Ramsar Convention on Wetlands, the Convention on Biological Diversity (CBD) and CMS he emphasized: “Higher standards and biosecurity measures in poultry; integration of expertise on wild birds and conservation into animal and human health considerations; national contingency plans and public awareness campaigns will help to control the spreading of the disease. Quick-fixes such as culling wild birds and destroying their habitat are unacceptable: they are counter-productive and aggravate the problem.”

Man’s interference with nature was identified as a key factor with a serious impact on eco-health. The preliminary findings of a new report by the Canadian academic Dr David Rapport were presented at the seminar. The report addresses linkages between the emerging threat of an HPAI pandemic and a continuously deteriorating environment. The loss of ecosystem health places humans at risk. The conservation and restoration of large areas of wetlands can dissolve the increasing conflict between wild birds, land uses and farming practices. “Intensive poultry operations along migratory wild bird routes are incompatible with protecting the health of ecosystems that birds depend upon. They also increase the risks of transfer of pathogens between migrating birds and domestic fowl,” says the study.

Delegates acknowledged the important role of the Scientific Task Force on Avian Influenza in generating advice on the root causes and conservation impacts of HPAI, assessing the role of migratory birds as vectors of the virus, and developing early warning systems and expertise. They asked the Scientific Task Force to promote the implementation of the Seminar’s conclusions and recommendations both within participating organizations and among others. A review of the work of the Task Force, including the Seminar’s conclusions and recommendations is to be communicated to the UN Special Coordinator for Avian Influenza. Participants also suggested the appointment of a Task Force Coordinator who would be responsible for running a dedicated website on avian influenza. Since the seminar, a specific proposal for this has been agreed by the Task Force: it is hoped to establish the website later in May or early June.

Shafqat Kakakhel, Acting Executive Director of UNEP, appreciated support given to the Seminar’s co-sponsors, including the UK Department of Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (DEFRA), FAO and the Netherlands’ BirdLife partner, Vogelbescherming Nederland. He stressed that a degraded environment promotes the emergence of infectious diseases. He stressed the need to effectively follow up on the Seminar’s conclusions and recommendations. In this context he reaffirmed UNEP’s commitment to disseminating the Seminar’s findings and managing the risks associated with HPAI.

http://www.cms.int/avianflu/conclusions_rec_ai_seminar.pdf - Conclusions and Recommendations of the Avian Influenza Seminar



Posted By: kparcell
Date Posted: March 02 2007 at 5:25am
Dr. Michael Greger, director of Public Health and Animal Agriculture at the Humane Society of the United States, has new book, “Bird Flu: A Virus of Our Own Hatching.” In his book, he discusses his belief that the naturally occurring range of avian flu viruses present in waterfowl combined with a new and unnatural poultry industry practice of confining chickens has created the potential for a deadly flu pandemic among humans.


Posted By: kparcell
Date Posted: March 02 2007 at 5:38am
Industry reports steady decline in demand:

"Poultry prices decrease in Pakistan
// 02 Mar 2007
The price of domestic poultry has been steadily decreasing due to a decline in demand, according to poultry wholesalers.

The once fast growing poultry industry has been a victim of bird flu menace since 2004. The poultry industry was providing 45% of meat products to people across the country. Poultry producers feel that in addition to actual cases, inauthentic reports of bird flu in electronic and print media have caused million of rupees losses to poultry farmers across the country.
They said that many small poultry farmers have shut their farms after huge losses hit them over the last two years."

http://www.worldpoultry.net/ts_wo/worldpoultry.portal/enc/_nfpb/true/tswo_portlet_news_singleeditorschoice1_3_actionOverride/___2Fportlets___2Fts___2Fge___2Fnews_singleeditorschoice1___2Fcontent___2FshowDetailsList/_windowLabel/tswo_portlet_news_singleeditorschoice1_3/tswo_portlet_news_singleeditorschoice1_3id/13320/_desktopLabel/worldpoultry/_pageLabel/tswo_page_news_content/ - http://www.worldpoultry.net/ts_wo/worldpoultry.portal/enc/_nfpb/true/tswo_portlet_news_singleeditorschoice1_3_actionOverride/___2Fportlets___2Fts___2Fge___2Fnews_singleeditorschoice1___2Fcontent___2FshowDetailsList/_windowLabel/tswo_portlet_news_singleeditorschoice1_3/tswo_portlet_news_singleeditorschoice1_3id/13320/_desktopLabel/worldpoultry/_pageLabel/tswo_page_news_content/

This poultry industry publication asserts that false BF reports have caused industry losses. Of course, the assertion of false reports is itself false, which only the few hundred people tracking BF news worldwide know. Add to this the documented blackouts on events in Indonesia and China, and there is a strong trend emerging towards a dangerously misinformed general public.
    
    


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 02 2007 at 5:39am
kparcell,
 
Pardon me for saying so, but you seem to have a one-track mind when it comes to this factory-farming bit. We won't see eye to eye on this issue, so I think i'll just ignore this and any other factory-farming related threads from now on.


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 02 2007 at 6:04am
AnnHara - Bugs are going to be big winners.  Bird flu will probably cause
there to be less birds to eat bugs and more bodies for bugs to eat.

Buy some more fly and mosquito spray for your preps is my suggestion .



Posted By: kparcell
Date Posted: March 02 2007 at 7:11am
Thanks, FW, and good luck with your writing.


Posted By: kparcell
Date Posted: March 02 2007 at 7:17am
Bugs might win short term, but long term is uncertain. Overhunting of plankton-eating whales in the Pacific resulted in huge plankton blooms, with the bacteria eating the plankton also consuming all of the oxygen in the water, resulting in vast dead zones.


Posted By: kparcell
Date Posted: March 02 2007 at 10:19am
Reviewing the various stories put out by the poultry industry and the latest reports from real news agencies, it seems that the industry continues supporting an end to backyard farms to fight BF. Now that the science shows that the backyard farms are not the source of infection and that the end of backyard farms means increased hunger, we will see whether the poultry industry adjusts its policy, or if its purpose is to use BF to eliminate the small farmer rather than protect the public health.


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 02 2007 at 10:28am
In a nutshell...
 
"...Man’s interference with nature was identified as a key factor with a serious impact on eco-health. The preliminary findings of a new report by the Canadian academic Dr David Rapport were presented at the seminar. The report addresses linkages between the emerging threat of an HPAI pandemic and a continuously deteriorating environment. The loss of ecosystem health places humans at risk. The conservation and restoration of large areas of wetlands can dissolve the increasing conflict between wild birds, land uses and farming practices. “Intensive poultry operations along migratory wild bird routes are incompatible with protecting the health of ecosystems that birds depend upon. They also increase the risks of transfer of pathogens between migrating birds and domestic fowl,” says the study. "


Posted By: kparcell
Date Posted: March 02 2007 at 11:44am
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstories/tm_headline=anger-at-matthews---500-000-bird-flu-pay-out&method=full&objectid=18695171&siteid=89520-name_page.html - http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstories/tm_headline=anger-at-matthews---500-000-bird-flu-pay-out&method=full&objectid=18695171&siteid=89520-name_page.html

Public anger growing
    
    


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 03 2007 at 3:54am
 While we chat about the pro's and con's of chicken virus man , seems they have been busy working on rice .....
 

http://article.wn.com/link/WNATb2c138a89fe5972bfab529e160b58957?source=upge&template=cheetah-article/displayarticle.txt - » Read full article

http://article.wn.com/link/WNAT99c74ab5ada4299fc6abed26d1523c43?source=upge&template=cheetah-article/displayarticle.txt - Fears grow over rice containing human genes
Hong Kong Standard The US http://www.agriculturalcountry.com/ - Agriculture Department has given the preliminary green light for the first commercial http://www.floatingproduction.com/ - production of a http://www.healthfoods.com/ - food http://www.cropsdaily.com/ - crop - rice - engineered to contain human genes. //--> Rick Weiss Saturday, March 03, 2007 The US Agriculture Department has given the preliminary green light for the first commercial production of a food crop - rice - engineered to contain human genes. The decision has reignited http://www.climateoffear.com/ - fears that biomedically potent substances in high- tech plants could escape and turn up...

http://article.wn.com/link/WNATb29fdefba39bc6074dfddcc32453719c?source=upge&template=cheetah-article/displayarticle.txt - Click here to read more »

http://article.wn.com/view/2007/03/02/Fears_grow_over_rice_containing_human_genes - http://article.wn.com/view/2007/03/02/Fears_grow_over_rice_containing_human_genes


Posted By: kparcell
Date Posted: March 04 2007 at 5:14am
Thank you for info on these other diseases and problems, however none of these other diseases are caused by poultry industry concentrating production into crowded facilities, and the other diseases are not going to kill 90% of the pregnant women in the world who catch them if we don't shut down factory farms.


    
    


Posted By: kparcell
Date Posted: March 04 2007 at 5:43am
"Yani Mulyani, 25, who was five months pregnant, died along with her fetus while she was being treated at Sulianti Saroso, the main hospital treating bird flu patients in the capital, said hospital spokesman Ilham Patu."

This is perhaps the first woman and unborn child to die from H5N1, just one year ago. She had the best treatment and no chance, except, of course, if factory farming was stopped.

http://www.todayonline.com/articles/104900.asp - http://www.todayonline.com/articles/104900.asp


Posted By: kparcell
Date Posted: March 04 2007 at 5:58am
Here is report about panic in the middle class suburbs when Bird Flu first killed in Indonesia.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/24/AR2005072401146.html - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/24/AR2005072401146.html

Very similar to Bernard Mathews factory farm outbreak: no backyard poultry, just terrified people.


Posted By: kparcell
Date Posted: March 04 2007 at 1:31pm
     Sunday, March 4, 2007
Meat-Out event planned for next week


RHINEBECK — The Mid-Hudson Vegetarian Society has scheduled its annual Meat-Out event for 4:30 p.m. March 11 at the Church of the Messiah in Rhinebeck.

The guest speaker will be Dr. Michael Greger, director of Public Health and Animal Agriculture at the Humane Society of the United States, who will be discussing his new book, “Bird Flu: A Virus of Our Own Hatching.” In his book, he discusses his belief that the naturally occurring range of avian flu viruses present in waterfowl combined with a new and unnatural poultry industry practice of confining chickens has created the potential for a deadly flu pandemic among humans.

The event also features a vegan potluck with no meat, dairy eggs or other animal ingredients. Cost is $10 with a dish or $25 without a dish. Children 12 and under admitted free.

For reservations, e-mail rsvp@mhvs.org or call 845-876-2626.


Posted By: kparcell
Date Posted: March 05 2007 at 7:05am
"The protection of Britain’s £3.4bn poultry industry appeared to be taking greater priority than the risk to human health."

http://wsws.org/articles/2007/mar2007/flu-m05.shtml - http://wsws.org/articles/2007/mar2007/flu-m05.shtml

.........................................
Food industry implicated in Britain’s bird flu outbreak

By Barry Mason
5 March 2007

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On January 30, some dead turkeys were found in one of the intensive rearing sheds that form part of the Bernard Matthews turkey farm and processing plant in Holton, Suffolk in eastern England. The following day more turkeys were found dead and by February 3 more than a thousand had died.

Local vets were called in and, at first, E coli was suspected. Only after 48 hours had elapsed since the first bird deaths was the government Department of Food and Rural Affairs (DEFRA) called in. Their vets established that the birds had died of the highly virulent bird flu strain H5N1. This virus has killed many birds throughout the world since its initial outbreak four years ago. To date, world wide, over 160 people have died of the H5N1 bird flu strain, most as a result of close proximity to diseased birds.

As yet the virus has not mutated to a form where it can be transmitted from human to human. This is an ever present danger. Because of the novel genetic make-up of the virus, and subsequent lack of previous human exposure, the virus has the potential to cause a human flu pandemic on the scale of the 1918 outbreak of “Spanish Flu” in which millions died.

Once it had been established that the turkeys had died of H5N1 type bird flu, the whole of the 160,000 flock of turkeys on the farm were slaughtered. After the cull had taken place, DEFRA scientists investigated the cause of the outbreak of the disease. First inclinations were to suspect transmission from a wild bird that had somehow entered the rearing sheds. Last year a swan found dead in Scotland was diagnosed as having died of the H5N1 virus. It was thought to have flown in from the continent where there have been several outbreaks of the disease.

However, DEFRA scientists analysing the viral DNA from the dead turkeys found it was genetically identical to viral DNA found in domestic geese that had been infected in January this year in Hungary.

It appears a possible link to the Hungary outbreak came as a result of a chance find of a label in a rubbish bin at the Suffolk site. Part of a leaked memo dated February 9 from COBRA, the British government’s civil contingencies committee which tackles national crises, published in the February 13 Daily Mail, “DEFRA epidemiologists have found a label in a waste bin on the Suffolk site with a reference that indicates it is from a third party abattoir, Gallfoods in Hungary, just outside the restricted zone [i.e, the zone in which bird flu has been found] . . . One possible unconfirmed route is that the abattoir processed birds from within the restricted area.”

The Bernard Mathews company has a subsidiary poultry business, the Saga plant, in Hungary. It would seem the Bernard Matthew company had initially failed to mention a possible link between its Suffolk farm and its Hungarian subsidiary. A Guardian article of February 10 stated, “For days, the company has maintained that operations in Hungary and Suffolk are entirely separate with no trade between them but yesterday [Feb 9] . . admitted there was significant trade between the plants . . that it could have imported infected turkey meat.”

Whilst DEFRA had become aware of such a connection between the outbreak in Hungary and that in Suffolk it did not want the information to be publicised. The Guardian had published the information on its web site on February 8. The newspaper had been told by a source within DEFRA that a shipment of nearly 40 tonnes of poultry meat from Hungary had arrived at Horton just prior to the turkeys contracting the bird flu.

The source contacted the paper with concerns that DEFRA were not making the information public. The article states, “oth state vets and officials were deeply aware that such information would take the trail away from the hypothesis of a wild bird flying in and spreading the disease, and into the realm of the poultry food trade. The document which discussed the consignment of food and how it was handled was marked ‘commercial in confidence’ The protection of Britain’s £3.4bn poultry industry appeared to be taking greater priority than the risk to human health.”

The Guardian had contacted the Food Standards Agency (FSA), the official body that overseas food safety, to ask what actions they were taking to avoid the possibility of infected food going into the human food chain, only to be told by the FSA that they were unaware of the matter.

The incoming Labour government of 1997 set up DEFRA and the FSA in the wake of the outbreak of “Mad Cow Disease,” or variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (vCJD), which to date has claimed nearly 160 human lives. The previous Tory government, after initially denying a link between Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy (BSE) in cows and its human equivalent vCJD, finally accepted that such a link existed

DEFRA and especially the FSA were trumpeted by the incoming Labour government as being free of the commercial pressures that had led to the cover-up of the BSE crisis. The incident at the Bernard Matthew turkey farm shows this is not the case.

An interim report published by DEFRA on February 14 pointed out the proximity of Bernard Mathews’s turkey rearing sheds and its meat processing plant. There were “large numbers of gulls . . clearly attracted to the site by the presence of the processing plant and . . . the access to waste trimmings . . in bins . . . Gulls were observed . . carrying trimmings away from the processing plant and into the area containing the finishing units (turkey sheds) . . Polythene bags which had apparently contained meat products . . [had] the potential to be blown across the site . . there were several points of entry for small birds and rodents . . [and] extensive water leakage . . that could allow physical transfer of infection . . In summary, there are a number of ways that infection could have entered the shed with the clinically affected birds.”

According to the Daily Mail, February 17, “It is understood the MHS (Meat Hygiene Service) warned Bernard Matthews on several occasions about leaving the processing plant waste bins open. Now the organisation is investigating prosecuting the company under the Animal By-Product Regulations 2003 for failing to do so.”

The Bernard Matthews Holton turkey rearing site and processing unit is no shoestring operation. There are 22 rearing sheds with 7,000 turkeys in each shed. Nearby, separated by a chain link fence, is an abattoir, processing sheds and cold store. According to the company, bio-security is given top priority. Bernard Matthews’s company generates a £400 million a year turnover. It is the largest turkey processing company in Europe.

It is still not clear how the bird flu virus entered the turkey breeding sheds at the Suffolk site. The DEFRA report of February 14 notes that “investigations will continue to be all embracing with respect to possible sources of infection and means of introduction of the virus into the premises. Further reports will be made when significant findings are revealed by our investigations.”

An International Herald Tribune article of February 12 commented, “Most of the scattered bird flu outbreaks this year probably can be traced to illegal or improper trade in poultry, scientists believe.” The article went on to quote Samuel Jutzi, director of Animal Production and Health at the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization in Rome, saying, “Many of us at the outset underestimated the role of trade. The virus is behaving rather differently than last year—it’s rather enigmatic.”

Speaking at a recent Royal Society of Medicine meeting in London, Professor Sir Roy Anderson, an epidemiologist at Imperial College London, warned of Britain’s lack of preparation for an outbreak of H5N1 bird flu that has managed to cross to the human population.

He explained, “This is a virus that is always rapidly evolving . . It is extremely difficult to predict in which ways it will continue to evolve . . We currently live in an international jet-setting age, so the range of contacts of people from other countries is far greater than it was four generations ago. (A reference to the 1918 flu pandemic) . . . This makes it harder to control any outbreak . . . The virus will saturate very quickly in the UK, and there will be very little time to contain it.”

See Also:
Britain unprepared for bird flu threat
[20 April 2006]
EU states downplay risk as bird flu spreads toward Western Europe
[10 September 2005]


Posted By: kparcell
Date Posted: March 05 2007 at 3:04pm
"UCI scientists reconstruct migration of avian flu virus

The analysis shows that Guangdong – home to a large poultry industry – is the source of many H5N1 strains that have spread to other provinces and countries."


Report released today traces path of H5N1 from origin in factory farms and spread through industry.

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2007-03/uoc--usr030507.php - http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2007-03/uoc--usr030507.php


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 06 2007 at 1:45am
 How's This...Ouch
Judge rejects bird flu argument against chicken farm
(TUESDAY MARCH 6) A group of residents from Aston Abbotts have failed in a High Court c******enge to a proposed chicken farm near Aylesbury.
They fear the farm could put them at risk if there is a bird flu outbreak.

Three members of the Aston Abbotts Residents Association had sought the go-ahead to bring a full High Court c******enge to Aylesbury Vale District Council's decision to grant permission for three new buildings and a temporary mobile home at Norduck Farm, Moat Lane in the village.

Arthur Dicken, Lisa Jenkins and Simon Roberts, whose properties are all served by a private road through the farm, had argued that the Council had failed to take into account the implications on them of a possible bird flu outbreak or any resulting biosecurity measures.

Mr Dicken, of Norduck House, Ms Jenkins, of Norduck Barns and Mr Roberts, of Moat Lane Stud, had all asked Judge Hamilton for permission to bring a full judicial review c******enge, through which they hoped to have the planning permission quashed.

However, the judge today ruled that they had failed to show that their case was sufficiently arguable or had a reasonable prospect of success.

She refused to grant permission, clearing the way for farm owners Kinsale Agriculture to start work on the new egg production facilities.

The scheme has been opposed all along by the trio, with the new buildings set to come within 200 metres of Mr Dicken and Ms Jenkins' properties, and impact on Mr Roberts livery business, as he, his family and his customers all regularly use a bridleway across the farm.

They claimed that the Council not to consider the public concern about avian flu as a material planning consideration, even though any biosecurity measures that resulted from an outbreak could affect access to their homes.

They argued that the development would harm the appearance of the area, which is designated as an Area of Attractive Landscape, and overlooks an Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty.

They claimed it will be a blight on neighbouring properties and affect market values, and that, if poorly managed, could lead to problems of smell and groundwater contamination.

They claimed that heir human rights were breached by the Council's decision.

According to papers before the court, the farm is estimated to house around 20,000 chickens.
http://www.newsnow.co.uk/newsfeed/?name=Bird%20Flu - http://www.newsnow.co.uk/newsfeed/?name=Bird%20Flu


Posted By: kparcell
Date Posted: March 06 2007 at 6:33am
Good on them for trying. Here is a link to the story

http://www.aylesburytoday.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=789&ArticleID=2098467 - http://www.aylesburytoday.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=789&ArticleID=2098467

This case might play out differently soon.


Posted By: kparcell
Date Posted: March 06 2007 at 1:14pm
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/NEWS/World/The_United_States/China_is_source_of_bird_flu_virus_study_shows/RssArticleShow/articleshow/1729053.cms - http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/NEWS/World/The_United_States/China_is_source_of_bird_flu_virus_study_shows/RssArticleShow/articleshow/1729053.cms

Factory Farms in Guandong source of Bird Flu virus - not wild birds or backyard poultry.


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Date Posted: March 06 2007 at 5:15pm
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Posted By: kparcell
Date Posted: March 07 2007 at 4:24am
new outbreak in factory farms near Hanoi

http://orange.advfn.com/news_Bird-flu-hits-chicken-farms-in-Vietnams-capital-ministry_19692397.html - http://orange.advfn.com/news_Bird-flu-hits-chicken-farms-in-Vietnams-capital-ministry_19692397.html


Posted By: kparcell
Date Posted: March 07 2007 at 9:57am
"This virus comes into existence in farms where the cleanliness level is very low and there are chickens being bred."

http://madecenik.net/kuwaittimes/read_news.php?newsid=MTM1NDE4ODQ5OQ== - http://madecenik.net/kuwaittimes/read_news.php?newsid=MTM1NDE4ODQ5OQ==


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 09 2007 at 10:10am
 
 
 
  VIDEO
..................
 
 
 
 
Kparcell.....  has this been posted?  
 
Hope any doubters have a look at this One... :O
 
 
Bird Flu: A virus of our own hatching
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcYRm0wxgOw - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcYRm0wxgOw
 
 


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 09 2007 at 10:32am
 
 
World  WIDE  ...   Poultry Trade and Factory Farming
 
 
at a glance...
...............................
 
 
Antigenic drift.
 
These are small,
 
permanent, ongoing alterations in the genetic material of a virus.
 
Because viruses aren’t able to repair genetic errors that take place as they reproduce,
 
new strains are continually replacing old ones.
 
 
Once you have a particular strain of flu, you develop antibodies to it,
 
 but those antibodies won’t protect you from new strains.
 
In the same way, the flu vaccine you received last season
 
won’t ward off this year’s bug.
 
..........................................
 
And the question is...       (Did it even ward off last years bug?)
 
............................................
 
 
SO.... when we talk about
 
 
World Wide Poultry Trade  & Factory Farming
 
 
We are talking
 
DRIFT... Excelerated.
 
Drift at a Billion miles an hour ...       It's Unnatural
 
 
See video above.
 
 


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 09 2007 at 3:18pm
AnnHara ,

             I watched the video . 

I suspect Kparcel will go bananas when I say this  ,but I am still not quite convinced . 


 It seems to me ,  that yes ,  if birds in a factory farm are infected the consequences are worse in the sense of many more bird dying suddenly . 

However factory farms should have a lower chance of suffering disease
in the first place since their flocks are generally enclosed in doors away
from wild birds , cats , rodents etc ( that is other carriers  ).

In contrast small farms seem to very often have their flocks out doors
and therefore be very vulnerable to disease carriers.

Secondly it seems to me that properly setup factory farms should have
a better chance of acheiving higher hygiene and monitoring standards
that small farms.

If we look at places like Indonesia or Turkey human most infections seem to have occurred because people with small flocks have butchered
their own birds. Something that does not happen with factory farming.


However  do not like factory farms at all , in particular , the apparent
cruelty of their cramped , crowded nature  .
If it has to be done then  , there  should be stricter laws about the amount of space and conditions under which the animals  are  kept.







Posted By: kparcell
Date Posted: March 09 2007 at 3:28pm
Thank you, Ann, I wasn't aware of that great video.

As the video states, the scientific evidence shows that H5N1 originates in factory farms, not backyards. We can kill all of the poultry outside of factory farms to protect factory farms and delay the start of the pandemic, or we can follow the recommendations of informed scientists and stop factory farming.


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 09 2007 at 4:18pm
There has long been opposition to factory farming and the suspicion is that
much of the research is driven by the need to prove a truth rather than
the need to find the truth.

Guandong Province . 
The fact that bird flu appears to have originated in Guandong and there
are factory farms in that area is not evidence. 
I have never been to China but I would expect to find thousands of
small village flocks for every factory farm. 

Secondly the real danger is not so much from the virus in poultry but
the virus in Mamals .  There is much likelyhood  of poultry and mamals
mixing in small operations than in large factory farms.
With  the subsequent escape of the virus back in to the wild.




Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 09 2007 at 5:23pm
 
 
 
......................................................................................................
 
hi Ross...  I think the scientists are trying to tell us that
 
The craming of all the poultry      ...zoomin in the doo...  
 
is not natural....very stressful.
 
well birds cannot escape the close proximity of ill birds.
 
Most shocking is the process of... drift....
 
being unnaturally excellerated in these "Chicken Fields"
 
 
This House of...  Viral Varient Vrooming.....  can't go on.
 

and the vile stuff....  Virus....  gets out....escapes the farm.
 
Carried out by...rodents, people, vehicles, guano buyers,
carrion loving birds etc.
 
the move is on to....  restrict the transport of  poultry,
poultry parts and guano, which is used for fertilizer and food for farmed fish.

 


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 09 2007 at 6:26pm
AnnHara

         I have to agree about stressfull  filty  conditions and close proximity of large numbers of other birds being a dangerous environment .

Also agree that when such a flock becomes infected there is significant
potential to spread the disease outside the factory farm .

I does seem to me that we should not be talking about the subjects as
if all factory farms are the same.

Firstly if the birds are totally enclosed there is far less possiblity of picking
up infection than if they are in a free roaming factory farm ( that is outside ) .

Secondly the quality of the factory farm in terms of management and
conditions in the factory farm is very significant .

Also I would think that Antigenic drift in mamals is far more dangerous
than in poultry ( but I am not a scientist ) .


Perhaps we can compromise by saying that  badly  designed and
managed factory farms are dangerous and the better factory farms
much less so.







Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 09 2007 at 7:10pm
 
Also I would think that Antigenic drift in mamals is far more dangerous
than in poultry ( but I am not a scientist ) .
..................................................................................
 
We share this... zoonotic .... that's why people are so PO'd that the $ comes first...
 
........................................................................
 
Ross... I went to a hearing in VA on P hiesteria years ago at the Marine Institute.  Grown men tearful...who made their life's work...fishing, were ill and lost their living...told their stories several of them, very powerful stuff.
 
..................
 
you see... it is so much more...than a hoard of chickens kept too close.
 
It's also the waste they produce and what is done and not done with it.
 
...............................
 
http://earthsave.org/news/factfarm.htm - http://earthsave.org/news/factfarm.htm
 
 
excerpts...
 
 

Known to scientists as

P-f-i-esteria (feast-eer-ee-ah) piscicida (Latin for "fish killer"),
 
the microscopic organism was demonstrating its propensity for turning rivers and estuaries into death traps for immense schools of fish.
 
P-f-i-e-steria's powerful nerve poison was also being blamed as the likely cause for sickening scores of fishermen, coastal residents and tourists.
 
P-f-i-esteria leaves fish and people with ugly lesions. Human contact can also result in memory loss, dizziness, fatigue and asthmatic problems.
 
 
Too Much Manure to Endure

The good news for ****esteria and perhaps other yet-to-be discovered pathogens is this—factory farms like those in North Carolina are proliferating nationwide, churning out mountains of animal waste, largely unregulated.

US rivers and streams are carrying ever-larger volumes of nutrient pollution—the biggest single source of which, according to the US Environmental Protection Agency, is livestock waste.

Little surprise then that most of the nation's 127 estuaries show symptoms of nutrient overload. This past summer, the once prolific Chesapeake Bay played host to a ****esteria rampage that claimed tens of thousands of fish, closed rivers and sickened dozens of people.
What caused the outbreak? Many scientists suspect fowl play—the 600 million factory farm chickens raised around the Bay. According to the Baltimore Sun, these birds generate 658,000 tons of manure annually—"enough to lay a yard-wide, foot-high swath from Salisbury [MD] to Salt Lake City."

Another traditionally rich aquatic environment now imperiled by livestock waste and fertilizer runoff is the Gulf of Mexico. Off Louisiana, researchers are studying the infamous Dead Zone, a lifeless expanse currently the size of Connecticut.

Excessive nutrients pouring into the Mississippi River from factory farms and other so-called non-point sources spawn algae blooms which strip the waters of oxygen as they decompose, with fatal consequences for many Gulf denizens. Alarmingly, the Dead Zone has been growing steadily larger throughout recent decades.

Even the nose-wrinkling gaseous emissions from factory farms can pollute waterways. That's because the ammonia gas released by manure routinely returns to earth as acid rain. In Northern Europe, acid precipitation tied to ammonia emissions from hog farms is the agricultural community's top environmental concern.

Pandora's Feedlot

• Huge livestock farms are generating an estimated five tons of animal manure for every person in the US, says Iowa Senator Tom Harkin.

• In one day, a single hog farm produces the raw waste of a city of 12,000 people. In 1997, North Carolina's hogs are expected to produce as much waste as roughly five times the state's human population.

• In one year, a massive egg farm yields enough manure to fill 1,400 dump trucks.

• Poultry farms in Arkansas alone produce 5,100 tons of manure each day.

• The 1,600 dairy farms in California's Central Valley generate more waste than 21 million people.

Of Lagoons, Leaks and Loopholes

While diversified farmers see manure as a resource, for factory farm operators it's a waste disposal nightmare. Factory farms have two principal ways to handle waste: store it in massive earthen pits called lagoons until it decomposes; or spread it onto fields.

Lagoons, some covering 12 acres, are prone both to leaking and breaking. In 1995, spills in North Carolina discharged more than 40 million gallons of unmentionables into state waterways, about double the amount of oil lost by the Exxon Valdez.

Meanwhile in Missouri, spills left more fish belly-up "than had been killed in the previous ten years by ALL agricultural operations," says Ken Midkiff, Director of the Missouri Chapter of the Sierra Club.

Even when their banks hold, roughly half of North Carolina's lagoons built before 1993 (which is most of them) are leaking, say researchers at NCSU.

A 1995 survey revealed that hundreds of lagoons were badly eroded and in danger of leaking or collapsing, and that 122 operators were deliberately and illegally dumping manure into North Carolina's waters.

What about field spraying? Many areas (including three entire European countries—the Netherlands, France and Belgium) already produce more waste than available land can absorb.

This limitation apparently doesn't deter farm operators. St. Louis Post-Dispatch reporter Bill Lambrecht found that with a million tons of poultry manure piling up each year in Missouri, much of it gets spread on fields that don't need it, a practice that "looks suspiciously like dumping."

All of which spells trouble for drinking water. A test of wells in eastern North Carolina found that almost 10 percent were so contaminated with hog waste that the water was unsafe to drink.

In 1996, the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) found that three Indiana women who miscarried a total of six times within two years may have been sickened by well water polluted by a neighboring hog farm.
 
 


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 09 2007 at 9:07pm
AnnHara

When I said this....
 
Also I would think that Antigenic drift in mamals is far more dangerous
than in poultry ( but I am not a scientist ) .
 I meant poultry and pigs etc together in small holdings.



Throughout this discussion I have been talking about poultry factory
farms rather than piggeries , which I regarded as a seperate issue .

I am surprised to read your stories of waste disposal ,  I had always
thought that the waste from poultry farms was a valuable resource,
for which there would be a ready market.

Dumping the stuff in waterways is just unforgiveable .   Is it  actually
dumping or run-off from fields  driven by heavy rains ?








Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 09 2007 at 9:19pm
I dont agree - Influenza pandemics go back in history long before factory farms
 
Just having domestic poultry is all thts needed for a pandemic


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 09 2007 at 9:22pm
There is a company in Australia with a distributor in USA
that manufactures a bulk product to perform water remediation.

It removes phosphorous from industrial and natural waterways ( rivers ,
lakes etc ).

You can find out more at .... http://www.phoslock.com.au - http://www.phoslock.com.au


( ps. I own a small amount of shares in this company , so
rather than do a Gnfin I will say no more about them , except to
say that they have a dubious cashflow position and would be a
risky investment  ) .



Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 10 2007 at 6:20am
 
  Not to mention whats in their feed ..... con't follow link
 
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/health/bal-te.md.arsenic10mar10,0,594581.story?track=rss - http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/health/bal-te.md.arsenic10mar10,0,594581.story?track=rss
 
 

Arsenic's use in chicken feed troubles health advocates

By Tom Pelton
Sun reporter
Originally published March 10, 2007
POCOMOKE CITY // Carole Morison steps into a vast metal building where 27,200 chicks cluster in darkness around feeding machines. Pipes pump a gray, gravelly mush into round steel bowls.

Along with the corn, fat and protein being snapped up by the young birds is Roxarsone - a feed additive made from arsenic. Perdue Farms requires Morison to feed it to her chickens to fatten them and fight parasites.



Posted By: kparcell
Date Posted: March 10 2007 at 6:56am
Of course anyone can disagree and some do here, but I still have to go with the science: all the evidence supports the theory that bird flu originates among birds in factory farms and spreads from there to backyard poultry (See UN, WHO, Lancet, Worldwatch, Humane Society, etc).


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 10 2007 at 9:00am
I do not doubt that scientists can find and study many cases of disease
originating  and spreading from factory farms. 

But is it an argument against banning all factory farms or only the badly
designed and badly managed  factory farms.

You only have to look at Indonesia to see that the backyard farm operations
are just as dangerous if not more so.

Atleast factory farms have the potential to get their act together where as
to achieve uniform high standards in backyard operations is virtually
impossible.






Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 10 2007 at 9:08am
(Ross buy Energy:)
 
 

This zoonotic disease is shared and all types of
Animal Factory Farming is harmful.
 
This is what should not be contained in animal waste.... negates it's use.
 
HPAI Virus
 
Drugs suspected or known to be used in the feed or as a therapeutic treatment of source animals.
 
Pesticides used on the source animal, facility, and wastes for pest control.
 
Pathogenic organisms, at least to include Salmonella and E. Coli.
 
Heavy metals: arsenic, cadmium, copper, lead, mercury, and selenium, at least.
 
Parasitic larva or ova.
 
Mycotoxins, such as aflatoxin.
.......................
 
http://www.pickle-publishing.com/index.htm - http://www.pickle-publishing.com/index.htm
.....................................................................

Influenza pandemics go back in history long before factory farms
......................................................
 
very true... but the main point here is .... modern day... imported strains
from EU, Asia, Mexico, China etc. ... the unnatural excelleration of drift and
the no where to go of animal feces pollution.
 

 


Posted By: kparcell
Date Posted: March 10 2007 at 9:55am
Ross, I take your point that one might distinguish between qualities of factory farm production, but the term factory farm refers to concentrated production and there are no sustainable factory farms.

Chickens cannot be raised in concentrated production without breeding disease, by definition: that's what "concentrated" means. If it wasn't "concentrated", then they would have the space necessary to social distancing, by definition. So factory farms can not clean up their act any more than carbon dioxide can clean up its act :)

In backyards, chickens get vitamin D from the sunshine and the exercise necessary to healthy immune systems. When a disease strikes one, such as H5N1, it dies, having perhaps infected a few other birds, instead of passing mutating virus to hundreds of thousands, and on through generations to millions and billions of other birds. We see this in Indonesia, where all of the studies show that the problem is rooted in concentrated production and complicated by trade, so that the end of the virus' path is the backyard ranch, not the beginning.

We don't need higher standards of free-range, or backyard, ranching. We need to stop all concentrated production immediately.
    


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 10 2007 at 11:00am
 
http://library.wur.nl/frontis/avian_influenza/14_beard.pdf - http://library.wur.nl/frontis/avian_influenza/14_beard.pdf
 
Minimizing the vulnerability of poultry production chains

for avian influenza

C.W. Beard



Posted By: kparcell
Date Posted: March 10 2007 at 12:40pm
The author of the article linked in your post, Ann, is a senior industry spokesperson, and he falsely describes the bird flu problem as one of keeping wild birds from infecting factory farms, which is, of course, too little too late. The virus is far more common now among poultry than among the wild bird population, and there isn't much evidence of continued spread from wild birds to poultry, as you know because if there was it would be posted on this thread by now :) His essay is offered as his personal opinion, it has no suggestions for easing concentrated production, of course, and it has no citations.

H5N1 continues to spread from factory farms to water fowl via feces fed to shrimp farms.
    


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 10 2007 at 7:22pm
 
 
Very Astute :)    you totally got the point.
 
Live Animal Markets
 
 
cannot be discounted... not a large problem here.
 
over there....
 
where wild and domestic are mixed...bad news.  (disease origins)
.................................................................
 
and now to go in with more dissing of factory farming....
 
 
http://www.birdsaustralia.com.au/downloads/BA_statement_avainflu_jun06.pdf - http://www.birdsaustralia.com.au/downloads/BA_statement_avainflu_jun06.pdf
 
 
commercial chicken farm ....

An outbreak of H5N1 was reported on a large commercial chicken farm in the northern state

of Kaduna, Nigeria, in early February 2006. Unofficial reports suggest the virus is genetically

related to the strain that spread from Qinghai, China, west to Turkey in 2005. This was the

first reported outbreak of H5N1 in Africa, and a serious development in the continuing spread

of avian flu. Initial, unconfirmed reports indicate that the virus may have infected chickens at

other commercial farms in the area. It may have been present since 10th January, when

chickens first began dying, but was earlier diagnosed as Newcastle disease. (It is possible that

the outbreak involves both diseases). Outbreaks of H5N1 at commercial chicken farms have

previously been reported in Asian countries, notably in Laos, where 42 of 45 outbreaks were

confirmed on commercial enterprises.

Importation of infected poultry is a suspected source of the Nigerian outbreak. In 2004, the

government banned imports of live poultry, although in early 2005 it came under pressure

from the country’s farmers to resume them again because the country lacked the technology

to produce sufficient quantities of day-old-chicks. A 2003 United States Department of

Agriculture report stated that prior to an earlier 2002 import ban on poultry meat, "virtually all

imported frozen poultry entered Nigeria illegally."

......................................................................................
 

How has H5N1 spread?

It has been widely reported that wild birds have been responsible for the spread of H5N1. The current strain has caused deaths in a number of wild bird species, mostly waterbirds. Most of these flock or nest in colonies on waterbodies or nearby farmland. Others affected are birds that often feed and scavenge in polluted waterways near towns and farms.

However, the means of transmission are not clear cut. Most of the outbreaks outside Europe have not been consistent with the direction and timing of wild bird migration. The virus's spread across Russia last summer (2005), widely attributed to migrating birds, took place when birds were moulting and unable to fly. An outbreak in Nigeria took place on a factory farm far from migratory routes. These are just a few pieces of evidence that imply alternative transmission routes.

However, the earlier outbreaks show a very different pattern to the recent incidents in Europe, where the recent H5N1 outbreaks among wild birds show that wild birds are capable of carrying the virus long distances. Had wild birds been spreading the disease across continents, there would have been trails of dead birds following migration routes. This is clearly not the case, particularly as numbers of dead wild swans have not been found in Asia for example. Furthermore, certain countries on flight paths of birds from Asia remain flu-free, whilst their neighbours suffer repeated infections.

How is the virus spread, if not by wild birds?

Most outbreaks in southeast Asia have been linked to movements of poultry and poultry products (or infected material from poultry farms, such as mud on vehicles, or peoples’ shoes).

Live animal markets,
 
where domestic and wild-caught birds are kept in close proximity, appear to have played a major part in spreading the virus in southeast Asia.
 
There is also a huge international trade in poultry.
 
The widespread illegal trade in cage birds has also been demonstrated to have transported flu-infected birds over large distances.
 
Additionally, the use of untreated chicken, duck and other poultry manure as fertiliser and feed for pigs, fish and other livestock is widespread in Asia and eastern Europe.
 
The manure may be transported for long distances before being used or sold, a dangerously effective way of spreading the virus.

Can ‘healthy’ wild birds carry the HPAI H5N1 virus?

Yes. Mallard have been inoculated in the laboratory with certain high-pathogenicity H5N1 variants, and showed few clinical symptoms of infection. Tree Sparrows from Henan in China have also been found with a new variant of H5N1 that did not seem to make them ill (but proved lethal to chickens). So, it is possible that wild birds carry and spread the HPAI H5N1 virus. Most infected wild birds so far have been found dead.

Autopsies on swans from the Evros delta, Greece, showed that starvation (combined with endoparasite infection) was the likely cause of deaths. Around 20 swans and one Red-breasted Goose in Greece also tested positive for H5N1, but it is believed the virus may not have been the immediate cause of death. It is not known if the infected birds were carrying the virus without symptoms, or were incubating the virus and would later have become ill and died (or recovered).

For further details on avian influenza, please see http://www.birdlife.org/ - www.birdlife.org

 

 
 


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 11 2007 at 12:32am
AnnHara

   here is an extract from the worldwatch website you have just quoted.
( and now apparently deleted )


Although there is no definitive scientific proof, those farms are very likely where avian or bird flu started and will continue to be responsible for new outbreaks, said the author of the report, Danielle Nierenberg, a Worldwatch research associate.

In other words , it is a matter of opinion.

Here is another quote from the same article .

The United Nations Food and Agriculture Organisation (FAO) in Rome and the WHO have also blamed wild birds and backyard flocks for the spread of the virus. As a result, at least 15 nations have restricted or banned free-range and backyard production of birds.

Finally the second article that you have posted below seems to
be  quite  fair in its attribution of H5N1 spread , to a wide range of
factors ( live markets etc )


ps - Have the last word if you wish , I am done . Thankyou both
       for the polite way you have put forward your case.





Posted By: kparcell
Date Posted: March 11 2007 at 4:03am
Ross

Your quote about "definitive scientific proof" is from the beginning of the Worldwatch report that has now been cited here a dozen times. Science is only definitive about falsifications, it cannot definitively prove an assertion such as "factory farms cause bird flu", it can support it (which it does) or falsify it. For example, all of the science is consistent with greenhouse gasses causing the global warming that we're experiencing, but science can only prove what is not the cause, not what is. This is why scientists have waited years to assert that factory farming is the cause of bird flu - we look for falsifications of the proposition. The poultry industry's scientists, who are most of the scientists working on this, have had years to falsify this most likely hypothesis and have not come up with anything, and meanwhile this proposition has evolved into a solid theory with no serious c******enge.

The FAO and the WHO have - as you note - blamed wild birds and backyard flocks, etc, for the spread of the virus, but "spread" is not "cause". In a couple of clusters, humans have "spread" the virus, but we do not equate that with "caused" the disease. Of course, culling humans might end factory farming and so end bird flu, indeed that is what the virus will accomplish if we don't act first. But to suppose that the solution to bird flu is to kill all the backyard birds before it does is more than a bit absurd. The culling has likely slowed the disease (can't be proven :) the way a backburn slows a forest fire, but this backburn cannot extinguish bird flu because the poultry industry is feeding this fire with fuel as fast as possible...for the profit of a few.

It's a fact that a nearly identical virus, one that also kills through pneumonia and cytokine storm, struck in 1918 and killed more than 90% of the pregnant women who caught it. If a pandemic strikes now, millions of pregnant women will likely die, and their blood will be on the hands of those who said wait for proof. Is it too much to ask that they don't speak with their mouths full of chicken.


    
    
    


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 11 2007 at 6:04am
I had intended to stop , but I can't resist .

In a recent study 70% of women in Bangladesh were found to be
malnourished .  A situation that is common in poor countries .  

Surely they should hardly feel guilty for  eating cheap chicken  nor
should the people that have been providing  them with cheap chicken
feel guilty.

Finally it is quite clear that scientists have not universally declared
Factory farms as the one and only  spreader of Bird flu , nor
are they ever likely to do so .

However I am quite happy to accept the conjecture that Bird flu
originated in China , most probably in a factory farm setup originally
as part of a communist communal farm.








Posted By: kparcell
Date Posted: March 11 2007 at 7:46am
More than 800 million people are chronically malnourished, including over 60 million in Bangladesh, about half that country's population (http://www.mdgbangla.org/report_publication/povertyin_bangladesh.pdf).
That's about the same portion of the global population that engages in backyard ranching. Increasingly, subsistence farmers are joining the ranks of the malnourished. Cheap chicken - the only chicken they can afford - they raise themselves, and that is often the difference between health and hunger. Factory farms serve the middle class for the profit of the rich. That isn't a political position, it's how it is. This takes income from backyard farmers who had supplied that market, making them poor farmers, then subsistence farmers, then malnourished farmers, then the trees are gone for fuel, the rain is gone with the trees, and then there are no farmers, just famine.

So it has been, so it is, but might not always be. Gates Foundation, for example, has recently launched an initiative to raise the income of subsistence farmers. We sometimes despair at the trouble in the world, but the fact is that Bill Gates changed the world in a heartbeat by giving away a computer operating system, many say changed for the better, so the world can be changed in a heartbeat.

Now the problem is that factory farming is the ideal environment for breeding disease and studies show that the most dangerous plague in human history is likely to soon proceed out through those doors because of that. We can stop factory farming in a heartbeat by buying the industry (for example), liquidating it, and outlawing it. We'd lose money in the short term, but almost all bird flu outbreaks would cease, then small farms would resurge, fewer people would go hungry.... What's stopping us? Where's the downside?

According to the UN and WHO, the poultry industry is standing in the way and will thus bear responsibility if pandemic strikes. It stands in the way by misrepresenting the problem as proceeding from backyard farms and wild birds and falsely asserting that open questions outweigh the existing evidence. It stands in the way for short-term financial profit, and perhaps in the long-term hope of eliminating backyard farming, but perhaps we go too far if we attribute a motive beyond short-term profit to an abstraction such as "the poultry industry". That industry has journals, and scientist-shills, and organizations that exist to promote it, but it is decentralized and so incapable of organizing long-term planning. Like the Democrats.

In my opinion, the UN and WHO would bear greater responsibility because they have failed to sufficiently support strategies that would stop the pandemic, such as liquidating factory farms. Is it correct for these global bodies to fail in providing this leadership and instead expect the poultry industry to stop itself, or nations to act alone, when unprecedented disaster looms? By extension, CIDRAP, etc, share responsibility. These groups claim that the struggle is to raise awareness, but I think not. That is the battle that the poultry industry has chosen. The battle should be to persuade global bodies to act decisively now. Let's learn from the global warming debate v. the ozone debate. Global leaders changed the world in a heartbeat, saved it in fact, by shutting down production of chlorofluorocarbons. The air-conditioner industry doesn't have any clout, and so it couldn't control the debate. So we could say it's just a question of scale, a question of the size of the opponent. But it's really about the leadership: what fight do they pick? Liquidate factory farms, or persuade factory farmers?

I support an immediate global moratorium on factory farming.
    
    



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