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Topic: * NEW * Cast your Vote for President
Posted By: Albert
Subject: * NEW * Cast your Vote for President
Date Posted: February 07 2008 at 1:56pm
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We disabled the multiple votes option. Also, "Guests" can no longer vote so we can keep the Poll smaller and more accurate. You have to login or register to cast your vote. And then there were 5 .....
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Posted By: Evergreen
Date Posted: February 07 2008 at 2:20pm
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Thanks Albert for the new poll. BTW, I really like your icon, where did you get those great flames? D ------------- 235365 - Energy follows thought. As you think, so you are. |
Posted By: Penham
Date Posted: February 07 2008 at 2:26pm
| Great! |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 07 2008 at 2:28pm
| i am glad Mitt Romney quit now ron pauls got a chance |
Posted By: Hotair
Date Posted: February 07 2008 at 3:16pm
| It's sewn up by McCain and the conservatives are having a fit about it!!!!!I think it's all good.Even if McCain is our new prez.,He's moderate enough to not do too much more damage!!! |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 07 2008 at 5:56pm
| McCain is a democrat in Republican clothing. Say hello to another 20 million illegal aliens gaining american citizenship. Slap in the face to all those immigrants that legal applied for citizenship. |
Posted By: waterboy
Date Posted: February 07 2008 at 7:30pm
| Come on your kidding right? What have you been smoking? |
Posted By: AZMOM
Date Posted: February 07 2008 at 8:20pm
| McCain has done nothing for Arizona. 95% of the babies born at county hospital are born to illegals under the age of 18! It's ripping our healthcare system apart. They pay nothing and I pay $600 per month for limited coverage. "Now" he says he's listening to the people. He listens to whomever he can get the most votes from. It's all political. I doing a write in! |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 07 2008 at 9:56pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9VwlgJd_60 -
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9VwlgJd_60 - h - McCAIN |
BoJingles wrote:Posted By: gypsy2
Date Posted: February 07 2008 at 10:27pm
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Hotair.............on McCain being moderate enough not to do any harm!!!..What kind of "ignorant" statement is that?>???.........Do you mean being "Passive" enough not to "Fight" our enemies? Or that he won't "Cut Taxes" for Working American Families!!! Or that he will give "amnesty" to millions of Illegal aliens??........I think I'm through with this "Left wing" web site!!...........Maybe the Bird flu wouldn't be such a bad thing............it would weed out many of the "Left wing" nuts!! |
Posted By: cgh18
Date Posted: February 08 2008 at 3:24am
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Funny how word meanings have gotten twisted, The word libral, once meant free thinker, a person with vision, as our founding fathers were. Now it's become a slanderous word used by a party that proclaims to be for less government and indivual rights and state's rights.
All I see that has happened under the "right" leadership is more government, Bigger national debt, and when a state does something that the party in power doesn't like they try to get it overruled in their bias based supreme court. To ask that a pandemic comes to kill off the "left nuts" shows one that " Compassionate Conservative" is just another example of how extreme the right has become.Why don't you just march everyone to gas chambers that you don't agree with, there was once a party that thought they were "right" that did that too. After WW2 , they were war criminals and put on trial for it. The Founding Fathers would roll over in their graves to see all the divisions and hate that has spread over this land and how the meanings of words have become so twisted. The permament damage has been done : a 10 trillion dollar National debt. , Courts that are appointed because of shallow view points, people in power who in other times might be considered war criminals. And a loss of respect for people with opposite veiws. That is what's wrong with America,caused by people who think they are "right". ------------- cgh |
Posted By: gypsy2
Date Posted: February 08 2008 at 8:30am
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YOU CANNOT BE "COMPASSIONATE" WITH LIBERALS!
AND THE " FOUNDING FATHERS" YOU SPEAK OF.......ARE DESPISED BY THE LEFT! WHY? BECAUSE THEY FOUNDED THIS COUNTRY ON "CONSERVITIVE PRINCIPLES" THAT YOU HATE!!! THEY BELIEVED IN GOD AND WOULD BE ABSOLUTLEY "BESIDE" THEMSELVES AT WHAT THE DEMOCRATS HAVE BECOME!!!
THOMAS JEFFERSON WAS RIGHT WHEN HE SAID, " SOMETIMES BLOOD HAS TO BE SPILLED" TO SAVE A DEMOCRACY!"......AND HE WROTE THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE'............A DOCUMENT THAT IS ALSO HATED BY THE LEFT!!!!
.....AND THE JUDGES THAT WERE APPOINTED BY BUSH WERE APPROVED BY THE DEMOCRATS IN CONGRESS. ......AND i THINK THEY ( Judges) ARE PROBABLY A HELL OF A LOT SMARTER THAN YOU!!......SO GO BACK TO YOUR CAVE AND KEEP WORRING ABOUT "GLOBAL WARMING".....AND THE NATIONAL DEBT!!
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Posted By: endman
Date Posted: February 08 2008 at 8:46am
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I have voted republican last election and was desponded Bush did not make this country stronger, more secure maybe time will tell, but not stronger I was hoping for a balance trade but we didn’t get it I don’t need a free health plan if we all have good solid employment that would guaranty us retirement then we can pay for the health plan I voted for Hilary because 90 was the time when I wasn’t afraid too louse my job Some people like Obama but he doesn’t have any real solutions to the economic problems He will promise you the Moon just to get into the White House I can promise you the same and more if you would elect me Ex: Free house to all who wants one Free Car to all who needs one Free lunch is you vote for me Free 100,000 dollars to all who has 7 or more kids Free 100 acres of land to grow your food And I will do this by bringing Rep and Dem together Ha Ha Ha Ha Did any President made his promises come true No No No |
Posted By: Hotair
Date Posted: February 08 2008 at 11:51am
| Well said cgh! gypsy,you need to take a valium and chill out a bit. |
Posted By: Evergreen
Date Posted: February 08 2008 at 12:55pm
gypsy2: Hey there, play nice! No need to go ALL CAPS and tell people to go back to the caves. This is the 21st century and everyone needs to be aware and thinking about our future. We are a friendly lot here and don't respond well to being blasted. Peace. ------------- 235365 - Energy follows thought. As you think, so you are. |
Posted By: Turboguy
Date Posted: February 08 2008 at 2:08pm
That is funny. Now they're calling themselves "Progressives." I just want to know: Progression to what? Personally I am very unhappy as to what has become of those I voted for. It says quite a lot that they have to change their name because of the fact that "Liberal" is now a political bad word. The problem with those that call themselves "Liberal" is that tehy more often than not espouse views that coincide more with those that are known as Socialists and Communists, rather than the free thinkers you talk of.
I totally agree! But than again, exactly how is this different from what the Democrats espoused and pushed for for years? Particularly when you talk of one party trying to legislate from the bench.
Hey now pal, don't lump us all together. Let us not forget that it was your chosen party that was reponsible for Janet Reno telling the BATF to "Burn them," and did their best to turn millions of law abiding Americans into criminals with penstrokes. Personally I'm a political centrist, I have views that are all over the political landscape, it's just that hypocrisy drives me nuts. The Left is just as extreme as the hard-core right.
Actually they were "Left." Since you are incorrectly attributing Nazi party values to modern day Republicans, I'll give you a teeny lesson. Nazi is a compound word from the words National Socialism (Nationalsozialismus) National Socialist Workers Party. They espoused many of the views that modern Democrats cling to, including: anti-parliamentarism, racism, collectivism, anti personal ownership of firearm rights, opposition to economic liberalism, political liberalism, and a conspiratorial view of finance capitalism. So yes they were terrible people, in desperate need of a bullet to the head for their war crimes, but your comparison to modern day Republicans is spurious at best.
I totally agree, 100%. We should read the Constitution AS IT WAS WRITTEN. You living document Liberals seek to destroy that document with your political correctness, and with attempts to read it with regard to those words you lament having their meanings changed.
Wow! George W ran up 10 TRILLION dollars in eight years!?! I've said it before, I'll say it again: History did not begin when W took office.
Oh, so it was okay when "Slick" William Clinton appointed judges that were sympathetic to the Liberal cause. Breyer and Ginsburg are totally middle of the road aren't they? And you say the right is growing more extreme... If those two are middle of the road, you're so far left, you must live in a commune!
ROFL!!!!! For what!?! You name the war crimes. Oh wait, there was that time Clinton sent some cruise missiles into Afghanistan when he was getting it on with Monica. Wag the Dog anyone? Whoops there also was that time a certain someone decided to perjur themselves in fromt of THE SENATE! Go ahead and leave your Hypocrisy at the door. Particularly when you're just giving lip service to leftist garbage I can get watching MSNBC. Oh, and all you Dems, please vote Hitlary! She is exactly what we need running under the Democrat banner! |
Posted By: DANNYKELLEY
Date Posted: February 08 2008 at 2:39pm
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Posted By: cgh18
Date Posted: February 09 2008 at 3:24am
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There were several meanings of the word "right" used in my previous response. I think the responses suggest that my original premise was right (correct). I tried not mention any party and full well realise that politics have become something other than what I was taught was good and proper for the benefit of most citizens' interests.
People who feel they are of the "right" party,tend to feel that their rights are violated by anyone with a view that they don't feel is "right".While defending their position they seem to forget that there can be two or more rights that could be considered right. Using your ideals as the only right makes all other's opinions go right over your head. I will offer 2 points: the word "You" was singular in response to the previous response. The 10 Trillion debt is a rounded up number and made no mention that only one person created it. Research does seem to show that the majority was run up during the years 1981-1993 and 2002-2008. Oddly I'm a liberal thinker with a rather conservative outlook , But then again with today's definitions that puts me in the wrong to most who feel they have to be "right". I've always supported every President, hoping for the best, until they prove my support "wrong" and my fears "right". And I will do the same for the next person in charge, given a chance, perhaps they will prove to be the right person for the job. Is that so wrong? ( rhetorical question) ------------- cgh |
Posted By: Turboguy
Date Posted: February 09 2008 at 5:06am
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Cgh, I completely agree with you that politics have changed! It's night and day from what it was even as little as when I was young. (I'm a couple years past thirty) Nowadays the political landscape looks more like mountains on either side of a valley, than it did in years past when there were more centrists than anyone else.
The people are so politically divided now that a "Liberal" and a "Conservative" are so far extreme in their own personal views that they literally do not agree on anything! It's like they live in two seperate countries, both only associate with like minded people, and thus distill their views down to the point that both have gone beyond extremist, firmly landing in a place that can only be described as "Zealot." I fear that no matter who is elected nowadays is going to be an extremely polarizing figure with no more than 55% of the people backing them.
People of both parties share this outlook. I've noticed that both groups of people have a very difficult time even understanding that someone might have a viewpoint that differs even slightly from what they believe. I engaged in a very fiery debate with a group of very hardline conservatives just a few days ago on abortion. Before I go on, I am very pro choice. I say that women get to decide, and men don't get a say until men can get pregnant. (Note: This is not the place to debate Abortion for those of you that may wish to engage with me, thus I will not reply if you try. If you wish, make a new thread in the politics section and I'll be more than happy to engage you there.) Anyway, these individuals just could not grasp the fact that I could possibly have a different viewpoint than they did. It was literally as if I were speaking Mandarin to them! A better example is when you talk to your dog and he tilts his head trying to understand you, but he just can't. Though I could see where they were coming from, their eyes have been so closed to the possibility that anyone MIGHT think different they mentally could not accept that I even had the ability to think different! They had to take the coward's way out and tell me that I was condoning murder, instead of addressing the points I was making. Crazy thing is that a few days before Igot pats on the back for my defending gun rights and limited intrusion of government in our lives. Cgh, I think you and I inhabit the same part of the political landscape. I'm a Conservative thinker with a Liberal outlook, and yes I often find myself "wrong" for the simple fact that everyone around me has to be right. |
Posted By: Albert
Date Posted: February 09 2008 at 12:48pm
I apologize EG for the late response. A friend of mine had the image and I wanted to spruce up my appearance a bit, lol. Couldn't turn down that nice orange ...
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Posted By: Albert
Date Posted: February 09 2008 at 5:15pm
| Looks like Huckabee just won Kansas and beat out McCain .. |
Posted By: Turboguy
Date Posted: February 09 2008 at 5:28pm
| The Republicans are fools if tehy nominate Huckabee. His religious garbage is a sure way to get Hitlary in the White House. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 09 2008 at 5:44pm
| I think the far right and far left have taken over both parties in this election |
Posted By: gypsy2
Date Posted: February 09 2008 at 8:10pm
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I think McCain will choose Huckabee as his V.P. You might not like Huckabee......but he deserves credit for running a great campaign He has done a lot with very little. In order for McCain to have any chance.......the Republicans will need the "Religious Right" to come forward and vote...like it or not!! It also looks like the clinton ship is starting to sink. She cried again tonight.........The tears are getting old....she is obviously trying to get the "Women vote" up. The truth is, if Obama.gets the nomination he will be hard to stop. McCain will be overmatched in any debate. |
Posted By: Turboguy
Date Posted: February 10 2008 at 5:41pm
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Haha Gypsie! It'll be nice to see a presidential debate where the two nominees are actually intelligent enough to effectively debate each other.
In the last presidential debate I sat in total stunned silence watching two mental goliaths, George W and John Kerry go at each other. I couldn't, and still can't, believe that it was possible for that much stupidity to inhabit one building! At the very least without that building either instantly exploding or tearing a rift in spacetime! It almost happened during George Clooney's Oscar acceptance speech when he took credit for civil rights and the fight against AIDS... I figured that it'd be akin to what might happen if someone built a giant Lego block out of millions of little Lego blocks or if someone put non-dairy, powdered creamer in the microwave. Does anyone actually know what might happen? George Clooney would take credit for that one too, if Al Gore doesn't beat him to it. |
Posted By: gypsy2
Date Posted: February 10 2008 at 6:15pm
| Haha.......I'm still thankful and indebted to Al Gore for inventing the internet. |
Posted By: gypsy2
Date Posted: February 10 2008 at 6:30pm
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CBS news reporting that after winning Main tonight.....Obama leads in delegates including super delegates 1,134- 1,131........It's Obvious the Clintons never invisioned this happening. After Tuesday, Obama will increase his lead...in Delegates and total votes. It will be interesting to see who John Edwards endorses. If he endorses Clinton......he will somewhat look like a Hypocrite....since he espoused "Change" during his campaign. I'm still looking for a "suprise" against Obama.......... On March 4th the Clintons will have to pull out all stops in Ohio and Texas. It should be interesting! If Obama wins big on Tuesday......he will have the momentum! |
Posted By: gypsy2
Date Posted: February 11 2008 at 5:03pm
| Drudge Report> NY Times Report Tomorrow......Clinton insiders, "Fear election slipping away".........I don't know why I feel so good about this........Obama may be worse if elected. Obama may be tuffer for McCain to defeat. I know Hillary would rally the Republican turnout. It shall be interesting. |
Posted By: gypsy2
Date Posted: February 17 2008 at 7:30am
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N.Y. Poat-OBAMA robbed in New york!
N.Y. Primary results were striningly under recorded in 80 districts leaving Obama with zero votes in these districs. Some of these districts were totally black. Of course Hillary's votes were counted in these Districts. Obama was robbbed of several "Delegates" .......now this is under investigation! The Clinton's will resort to any tactic to win. They have no shame!! If you don't believe me, watch their action and desperation in the coming weeks. Obama and his voters will be appalled on How the Clinton's will try to steal this election!! Good luck Obama! |
Posted By: jacksdad
Date Posted: February 17 2008 at 8:16am
The way McCain is praising him every time he loses I wouldn't be surprised to see him chosen to run as VP, and I don't think it would be as damaging as you think. His views are shared by an awful lot of voters in this country, including his ridiculous opinions on the age of the Earth. |
Posted By: gypsy2
Date Posted: February 17 2008 at 8:43am
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Huckabee will not get the nomination> .....and it looks like Hillary will not get her party's nomination. Huckabee's "Religion" is not Garbarge!! How can anyone be offended by someone believing in God?.......How does anyone actually know the age of the earth? ......Oh yeah, you reada book right?...... |
Posted By: gypsy2
Date Posted: February 17 2008 at 9:06am
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There is an exciting new book that I highy recommend to my liberal friends.....it's sure to be a "Best Seller"....It's written by a Top Psychiatrist who's highly acclaimed!..........Title: "The Liberal Mind: The Psychological cause of Political Madness".......Dr. Rossiter says, the Liberal agenda preys on Weakness and feelings if inferiority in the population by......
1. Creating and reinforcing perceptions of victimization. 2.Satisfying claims to entitlement,Indulgence and compensation. 3.Augmenting primitive feelings of envy. 4.rejecting the sovereignty of the individual subordinating him to the will of the Government. "Which the modern liberal mind whines about imaginary victims, rages against imaginary villains and seeks above all else to run the lives of persons competent to run their own live. The neurosis of the Liberal mind becomes painfully obvious. ........sure to be a best seller! |
Posted By: cgh18
Date Posted: February 17 2008 at 10:56am
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Not to wade into the political water to deeply. I hope.
I believe in a separation of chrch and state. Or it becomes a battle of who's beliefs do we follow, yours or mine. I believe people should have free choice most times. But there are times when the deregulations break down the laws and allow the crooks to rob the people and ruin the public lands and areas where the factories dump their wastes as well as allow greed to become rampant. I think the branding and labels that people have to tag on someone with a few different thoughts or beliefs than they have really hurt what America once stood for. Without the quick label, most people who have quite similar views , when you throw out the extremes on each side. I've read a story about the American Indians asking why if white man all read the same book (Bible) , why did they all have different ways to do things and tell them different things to do. I believe in a simplier things and not too much outside interference from others. But I want my government to act responsibly to the wishes of all people as best they can. I would feel victimized by the extremes on either side , But one side frightens me more, The side that plays tag the most. ------------- cgh |
Posted By: jacksdad
Date Posted: February 17 2008 at 11:14am
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"......Oh yeah, you reada book right?......"
Yep - it had these cool pop up pictures and stuff. And I read all the big words myself 
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Posted By: gypsy2
Date Posted: February 17 2008 at 12:06pm
| Impressive......Jacksdad!! |
Posted By: quickdraw
Date Posted: February 17 2008 at 3:20pm
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All of them running for office will have our country being called Mexamerica. They can all kiss my ass. especially the Dems.
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Posted By: jacksdad
Date Posted: February 17 2008 at 5:19pm
Why, thank you. The coloring section was more difficult. Staying in the lines with the crayons was a bear. Thankfully I evolved with opposable thumbs which helped a lot 
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Posted By: DANNYKELLEY
Date Posted: February 17 2008 at 6:05pm
Whats the name of the book!?Got to get me one of them.  ------------- WHAT TO DO???? |
Posted By: jacksdad
Date Posted: February 17 2008 at 6:44pm
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Posted By: Turboguy
Date Posted: February 18 2008 at 6:04am
Yup, Carbon dating tells me that the Earth is several millions of times older than what those in the Church told me it is. Did they ever stop to think that a day to God is probably an indescribably long time to us? Thus if God took seven days to create the universe (Six then a rest) we're talking somewhere in the ballpark of some tens of billions of our years. If you read the Bible for yourself (And I highly recommend it, it's a great set of stories) you'll get a totally different message than you'd get if you just listened to however it is that your Priest (Or whatever they call themselves in your chosen religion) broke it down for you. I like religion, but dislike church. There *IS* a difference between the two. Further in modern bibles you're missing upwards of fourteen books of the bible. This means your'e getting not only a convoluted story through the revisions from King James, and the differences in languages from Hebrew to English, you're not getting the WHOLE story! You quite honestly could be getting a totally different message than was originally intended by God! I don't buy anything that the church puts out. It's all political anyway. I read the bible and took my own meanings from it's pages. I don't need someone else to read it and regurgitate what they want me to believe. I'm sorry Gypsy, but your comment made me think of some wacked out Nun telling me that books are the devil's work. |
Posted By: gypsy2
Date Posted: February 18 2008 at 7:51am
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You know Turboguy ....you are so full of yourself! I think a lot of cops are that way.....because they were picked on in High School.....I'm sure you've seen a lot of whacked out cops doing horrible things lately ( in the Press)!! I'm not against books at all.....I've learned a lot from books.....enough to make a helluva alot more money than a cop!! As for as the Bible!! The stories you talk about are believed by "FAITH" ......and it's obvious you know nothing about "King James" and his version! Have you ever heard of the "Dead Sea ScrolLS" ..the most important manuscripts ever found??? They validate and proof the authenticity of the Scriptures......"The Translations are not wrong""...... you've been watching the History Channel to much!!
As for calling me a whacked out nun......I'll meet you anywhere,Anyday that Badge means nothing to me!! Go write some traffic tickets, I sure your city needs the revenue! |
Posted By: gypsy2
Date Posted: February 18 2008 at 8:03am
| Turboguy....I'm sorry, I forgot to mention the "Donuts"......you guy's are famous for eating lots of those!!! ........ |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 18 2008 at 8:07am
dont get me going on cops the worse are in las vegas nv, and in utah i got a speeding ticket going 5 miles over the limit in vegas and it cost me $115.00 utah cops are really airagant too, they will ticket you if your windshield are not perfectly scraped off of the frost in the winter, ticket price $ 65.00 |
Posted By: gypsy2
Date Posted: February 18 2008 at 8:15am
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Most cops are arrogant!!
To be fair....there are some Good Cops! and I'm sure Turboguy is one of them! |
Posted By: gypsy2
Date Posted: February 18 2008 at 8:39am
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Turboguy....you sit here and talk about the church, the Bible and it's stories etc etc.
You talk as if you are an authority on "carbon Dating".....It seems you have all the answers!! The truth is Carbon Dating is accurate for "Specimans" which only date back several thousand years. Anything beyond that....and it's highly doubtful. In order to Carbon Date accuratley...we must know the ratio of Carbon 12 to carbon 14 that was in the enviroment at that time. Unfortunatley, the rate of carbon 12 to carbon 14 has yet to reach a state of equilibrium in our atmosphere. So it's impossible to carbon date the Earth!! |
Posted By: Turboguy
Date Posted: February 18 2008 at 5:09pm
LOL! You're the one that feels the need to resort to personal attacks because you lack the ability to engage in any debate. Just for the record, no I was not. I wrestled in high school and did kickboxing. I'm not sure what you're getting at talking about cops doing "Horible" things though. Exactly what are you insinuating?
Oh, we're going to puff out our chest and talk about how we make more money huh? Wow! I'm proud to be able to correspond with someone of means like you! Someday when I grow up I want to make just as much as you.
I never said that I do not believe, though I do question. The problem with the Church is that they stifle people like me that might ask the difficult to answer questions. Personally I'm all for religion, you get far more out of it than you'll ever put in. But that's not going to stop me from asking questions and wanting to see the books of the Bible that we're removed for whatever reason. King James and his circle of homies that decided which books of the Bible were "Inspired Books" were a political party. Who told them which were "Inspired" or not? God didn't. If I was able to remove and include what I wanted from just about any book I could have it read numerous different ways! Again the message you're getting from the Bible might not be the one that was intended, you just don't know.
I never called you a whacked out nun. I simply pointed out that your COMMENT made me think of something a whacked out fanatic nun would say. (And I'm not alone in my feeling on this) You're going to beat me up now? MY my my, you *ARE* a big man! As much as I'd love to devolve into your ape like chest pounding and tell you how much joy it would give me, you're just not worth my job/career/freedom. You quite literally sound like a twelve year old in the vast majority of your posts.
I'm an inch over six feet tall and weigh in at 195. I work out and run two miles every day. Can you say the same? Hmm?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_Earth - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_Earth Well now after much scientific study, I'm reading in just about every scientific publication, website, and textbook I have access to, it looks like the Earth is around four billion years old. This is a scientific FACT. You can cite the bible all you want, but if you're saying that the earth is a hair over four thousand years, as many religious fanatics believe, you're going to be discounting the fact that there were dinosaurs on this very planet, asteroid impacts that are dated well over four thousand years ago, etc etc. Is this "Devil Talk?" The bottom line is that you just don't know if I'm wrong. All you've got to go on is faith. As much as I respect someone that unyieldingly believes in something, you just can't know. Nobody knows what God's plan is, not me, not you. For all you know I'm right and you're wrong. Try and respond without your incessant Ad Hominems please... |
Posted By: gypsy2
Date Posted: February 18 2008 at 5:48pm
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Turboguy......I will not argue with you anymore.........You have it all figured out!! The fact is I never said, how old I thought the earth was! You just assumed what I thought. In the scheme of things it hardly matters....as far as working out everyday...I do the same! I'm 6'3" and weigh 235lbs....and can hold my own! You are very good at "running" people down on here (Subtlely).....it fits your arrogant mind-set! .......I will not apoligize for Believing in "Jesus Christ".....I'm not ashamed of the Gospel....that you so eloquently run down!! I believe Jesus Died for sinners like me and rose from the grave! I believe he's coming back one day too! You are ok in saying, you have a right to question the authenticity of the "Bible"..........I too have questioned it many times........But, by faith I beleve it's the Word of God!! I have studied and studied.....and have come to the conclusion that all the Prophices concerning Jesus in the Old Testament could not have happend by "Chance".......So, with childlike faith I beleive!.....By the way, I never said anything about "Devil Talk".....more termalogy to mock me!! .....The Bottom line is you can't prove.....and I can't prove!......It's by "faith" that one comes to Christ!.....in that Regard I don't need proof! I have all I need!...........So why don't you try to respond without your arrogant responses. By the way....not all Churchs' are as you say! Not all Church's would stifle your questions! Questions are good! While I agree there are some bad T.V. Evangilist and such. God's true church has helped millions of unfortunate people accross this planet! There are many, many people who spend their lives as missionaries giving all they have to the needy!
They will probably never be recognized in this life. But, they are the true heros! Turboguy, I think you are a very smart guy.....You can hold your own with the best of 'em........but, you're not always right!! I'm not always right either!! |
Posted By: coyote
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 3:55am
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I'm 6'0" and weigh 195lbs....and some say that I look like Clint Eastwood. Honestly..... ------------- Long time lurker since day one to Member. |
Posted By: Turboguy
Date Posted: February 20 2008 at 6:58am
| LOL! My friend Morgan says I look like some pro wrestler named John Cena. He's been working that angle on my for a couple years now... |
Posted By: Albert
Date Posted: February 20 2008 at 7:12am
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Turbo, that must make you a 6'5 super cop then.
Remember, we really have no way to actually verify who people are around here.
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Posted By: Turboguy
Date Posted: February 20 2008 at 7:25am
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LOL naw, just in the face.
If I was huge like him, dude, I'd swear off police work in favor of a lucrative stripping career! I'd be like the Fonze. Walk into a bar, snap my fingers over my head, and have screaming women come running! |
Posted By: MamaBear4
Date Posted: February 20 2008 at 9:11am
| I thought this topic was "Cast your vote for President". ?????? |
Posted By: Gypsy1
Date Posted: February 20 2008 at 9:17am
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Ok...back to politics. Is Hillary toast?
Will Hillary try to steal the Nomination? |
Posted By: Evergreen
Date Posted: February 20 2008 at 10:01am
Excuse me gypsy2, I am offended when this yahoo says he wants to change the Constitution to conform to his religion. We've already had too much "playing patty-fingers" with our Constitution by dubya. Enough already. D ------------- 235365 - Energy follows thought. As you think, so you are. |
Posted By: Gypsy1
Date Posted: February 20 2008 at 10:35am
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Come on Evergreen.....He has not said anything about changing the constitution. He has said, he would like to overhaul the IRS......and make it fairer!
Dubya, has kept our country and families safe from "Further terrorist attacks"...one day we may know how many attacks have been thwarted. I know Bush is a hated man on this site...but I like him. Do you really think Huckabee is more dangerous than Obama or Hillary??.... |
Posted By: Turboguy
Date Posted: February 20 2008 at 10:38am
I completely agree Evergreen. Our Constitution is the single oldest Constitution in existence today. There's a reason for that: We don't change it on a whim, and it was well written. W's excesses when it comes to Constitutional grounds are actually within Constitutional edict and case law, however, I will agree that much of the crap he's pulled does in fact shock the consience. I can't imagine some wacknut wanting to amend the Constitution because his Religion says one thing or another. While it is true that much of what we call laws, and even quite a lot of the Constitution is based on religion, the thought of someone wanting to change it to follow his religious texts must have set John Jay, Alexander Hamilton, and James Madison spinning in their graves at 30,000 RPM! Our country was founded by those that were escaping that specific situation. I'd cast my vote against anyone that says they'd try to ruin my country for some just because they might have different values. Abortion is a women's issue, not a religious or political one. If they want abortion to be outlawed, put the vote to women only. I guarantee they'd affirm time and again a woman's right to choose, as it should always be. |
Posted By: Turboguy
Date Posted: February 20 2008 at 10:39am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D08Dq_iNMRk - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D08Dq_iNMRk If that's not Mike Huckabee talking about how he's going to change the Constitution, I'm Hitlary Klinton. |
Posted By: Gypsy1
Date Posted: February 20 2008 at 10:53am
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Who wrote and framed the U.S. Constitution?....Christians. Sorry, but it's true!
Turboguy.......there you go again, calling someone a "Whacked out nut"......Huckabee is not a whacked out nut! I think it's the Democrats who want to amend the Constitution.....it is they who say, "It's a living breathing document" that needs to change with the times. For example they want to do away with the Second Admendment. |
Posted By: Evergreen
Date Posted: February 20 2008 at 10:56am
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Before this article below, thanks Turboguy for making my case about Huckabee's Constitution plans. D
Article URL: http://starbulletin.com/2008/02/20/news/story01.html © 1996-2008 The Honolulu Star-Bulletin | www.starbulletin.com Vol. 13, Issue 51 - Wednesday, February 20, 2008 FL MORRIS / FMORRIS@STARBULLETIN.COM During last night's Democratic presidential caucus at Manoa Elementary School, there was a crush as the crowd moved inside the cafeteria. Obama rolls to heady victory Hawaii Democrats give him 76% of the vote to Clinton's 24%; A record turnout at the caucuses causes big problems. Star-Bulletin Staff U.S. Sen. Barack Obama won a landslide victory in the state of his birth last night as an unprecedented turnout at the Hawaii Democratic caucus overwhelmed precinct volunteers and party officials. More coverage » Excited first-timers flock to Kawananakoa » Chaos rules at caucuses » Newcomers and old-timers alike turn out » Neighbor island polls draw thousand With 100 percent of precincts counted, Obama had 28,347 votes, or 75.7 percent, to 8,835, or 23.6 percent, for U.S. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York. Excitement about Obama, who graduated from Punahou School and represents Illinois, raised interest in last night's caucuses to record levels. Party officials had expected a larger-than-normal turnout and printed 17,000 ballots. It proved well short of the more than 37,000 votes cast and many precincts resorted to handing out scraps of paper to voters to write in their choice. In comparison, the last caucus in 2004 had a total of nearly 4,000, which had been considered a strong turnout. But last night's turnout caused myriad problems throughout the state. Many would-be voters walked away frustrated while others were turned away. The Democratic caucus preference poll will dictate how many of the 20 pledged delegates from Hawaii will go to Obama; however, that exact count was unclear as of press time. Hawaii also has nine unpledged superdelegates, giving the state a total of 29 votes at the August Democratic National Convention in Denver. Hawaii became something of a national political player this year because the caucus time was moved from March to February. The state was expected to go to Obama, but Clinton launched an all-out effort by bringing in Chelsea Clinton, the 27-year-old former first daughter. Also, Hawaii's senior U.S. senator, Dan Inouye, who backed Clinton, returned from Washington to vote last night. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FULL STORY » JAMM AQUINO / JAQUINO@STARBULLETIN.COM People waited last night in a line that snaked around the cafeteria and through the campus at Kawananakoa Middle School in Nuuanu. Thousands of supporters for the Democratic candidates came to vote, overwhelming staff and parking resources, and causing delays. By Richard Borreca and Laurie Au rborreca@starbulletin.com lau@starbulletin.com Hawaii Democrats appeared in record numbers yesterday turning their caucus into a love fest for homegrown presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama. With all precincts reporting, Obama had 28,347 votes, or 75.7 percent, and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton had 8,835, or 23.6 percent, according to the Democrat Party's "preliminary final" figures released after 12:30 a.m. today. Obama supporter U.S. Rep. Neil Abercrombie called Obama last night to describe the scene at Manoa Elementary School where hundreds were standing in line. "He (Obama) said he was overwhelmed with gratitude and joy," Abercrombie said. Obama's victory in Hawaii makes 10 wins in a row for the 46-year-old Illinois Democrat, attorney and community organizer who was born in Hawaii and graduated from Punahou School. The victory means that the majority of 20 pledged delegates for Hawaii will go to Obama. The local campaign has been hard fought with surrogates waging the battle for both Obama and Clinton, D-N.Y. In the past month, Clinton slipped from her front-runner position as Obama won more states, collected more delegate votes, and raised more money than the former first lady. Obama state coordinator Andy Winer said the Obama campaign would now move to include the Clinton supporters in a statewide effort. "The first thing we have to do is keep working to secure the nomination ... then we have to work together to bring the party together and work with Sen. Clinton's supporters to make sure we have a Democrat in the White House in November," Winer said. Clinton put on a strong show before the votes were counted in Hawaii thanks to the early support of some of the Hawaii Democratic political establishment. U.S. Sen. Dan Inouye and state Senate President Colleen Hanabusa (D, Nanakuli-Makua) led the campaign for Clinton, which brought in the politically potent Hawaii Government Employees Association, the state's largest union. As the delegate returns were coming in to the Democratic Party headquarters at Ward Warehouse last night, Inouye noted that the national election "is not over yet." But in Hawaii, the night belonged to Obama. "It was wild. I think this is how people are showing their support for Obama," said Chris Chang, who voted at Wilson Elementary School. On the Windward side, Mike McCartney, the former Democratic Party chairman, said he had never seen so many people crowding the Kailua High School parking lot. "There could be a thousand people, it is overwhelming," McCartney said. At 8 p.m., McCartney, who was helping count ballots, said that Obama was clearly winning in the Windward precinct. "There is an energy in this room I have never felt, and I was a member of Jesse Jackson's Rainbow Coalition," McCartney said. In Waianae, Hanabusa reported that her precincts were swamped with new voters. So many Democrats came out, the party officials ran out of ballots and resorted to recording their choices on scraps of paper. "We had people writing on pieces of yellow paper," Hanabusa said. "I don't think anyone was interested in issues, the common comment was that Obama is a local guy and he is from here. "I wouldn't be surprised if there is also a good showing for him out here," she said. Chang said, "I didn't see any sign of Clinton support at our precinct, not a shirt, not a sticker, it was overwhelmingly for Obama." Although last night belonged to the Democrats, the Hawaii Republicans must wait until their May convention to pick a candidate. Sen. John McCain won in yesterday's GOP primary in Wisconsin and he said he is confident he will win the GOP nomination. Willis Lee, the Hawaii GOP chairman said he doubted Obama could win in November. "I am confident that Hawaii voters will look beyond his lofty rhetoric and realize that his inexperience does not qualify him to be commander in chief," Lee said. According to national reports, some strategists have said Obama's win in Wisconsin and Hawaii yesterday have put Clinton in a must-win situation in Texas and Ohio next month to keep her campaign afloat. GEORGE F. LEE / GLEE@STARBULLETIN.COM Pandemonium reigned as voters lined up to register to vote in last night's Democratic caucus at Jefferson School in Waikiki. But Inouye, a strong Clinton supporter, said she will hang in there until the national convention. "There are other races. It would be helpful if she won," Inouye said at Jefferson School in Waikiki. Despite backing the losing candidate, Inouye called last night's vote "historic." "The only thing I can compare this to is the vote for statehood," Inouye said. Thousands of voters lined up well before the precincts opened last night in what many say were record-breaking numbers for any election in Hawaii. "I think this is historic," Inouye said. "It's the first time since I voted that I've seen a turnout like this." Marco Polo resident Patricia Shields said she volunteered at the 2004 Hawaii caucus in Niu Valley, where the number of voters barely filled the room. "I am thrilled that people are so jazzed up," Shields, 56, said. "The caucus in 2004 wasn't widely advertised. People didn't even know there was a caucus or what one was. And this year, everyone's excited to participate in the caucus." Many of the voters last night said it was their first caucus and they were compelled to vote because of the excruciatingly close race. "This is the first time I've ever been so interested and excited in a presidential campaign," said Mary Chan, 74, an Obama supporter. "I'm voting for Obama not only because he's born and raised in Hawaii but because I believe in him." Conrad Ng, the husband of Obama's half sister Maya Soetoro-Ng, greeted supporters at a rally at E&O Trading Co. at Ward Center. Obama supporters at the rally included Hawaii-born actress Kelly Hu and Daniel Dae Kim, of the TV show "Lost." Ng told supporters that his wife wanted to attend, but was too ill to make an appearance, having come down with the flu after a busy week of campaigning for her half brother. "Thank you, everyone in Hawaii tonight, who stood up for change," Ng told the throng of about 50 people. Although the caucus generated widespread excitement, many voters were frustrated with the experience. "This is a mess," said Dennard Byrd, 62, of Kapahulu, at Jefferson School. He began waiting in line before 5 p.m. and was told to move to another line an hour later. "You've got a whole lot of elderly and upset people for miscommunication that could have been sorted out at the beginning," said Byrd, an Obama supporter. Star-Bulletin reporter B.J. Reyes contributed to this report. Article URL: http://starbulletin.com/2008/02/20/news/story01.html © 1996-2008 The Honolulu Star-Bulletin | www.starbulletin.com ------------- 235365 - Energy follows thought. As you think, so you are. |
Posted By: Gypsy1
Date Posted: February 20 2008 at 10:58am
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I watched the Huckabee youtube speach! I guess I was wrong! But is standing up for life and the unborn a bad thing? I think not! anyway you look at it....killing unborn babies is flat out wrong!! |
Posted By: Turboguy
Date Posted: February 20 2008 at 11:11am
I completely agree with that comment Gypsy! The Constitution was set in stone and the Federalist Papers were written to explain it all. The Democrats *ARE* just as bad if not far worse than the Republicans. The Democrats would absolutely love to amend the Second Amendment right out of the Constitution if they could. Problem is that we're talking about taking something from armed, angry people. It's far easier to tax the crap out of unarmed people. I was watching Obama's speeches last night and had to make a weird face at most of his talking points. I think he's relying on the stupidity of the average voter in this day and age. the question I'd love to ask Barak is: "How the HELL do you think we're going to pay for all THAT!?!" He's talking about no taxation on huge blocks of our society, which sounds great to me! Also he's going to give all students $4000, and numerous other giveaways. Hey, I'm all for the government giving me money that I didn't earn, but we're pretty much talking about giving each and every American and average of $10,000!!! That's 3,101,399,470,000 or THREE POINT ONE TRILLION DOLLARS!!! AKA one third of our current national debt. Where the hell is he going to come up with that kind of money *AND* pay for a healthcare program, *AND* pay for every other program they've come up with!?! I'm afraid I'm going to have to bring out and wave the flag that bears the image of fecal matter spawned from the Anus of a male cow. |
Posted By: Evergreen
Date Posted: February 20 2008 at 11:14am
Maybe Albert will start a thread on abortion. That would be the appropriate place for comments like this. Peace, D ------------- 235365 - Energy follows thought. As you think, so you are. |
Posted By: Gypsy1
Date Posted: February 20 2008 at 11:17am
| Turboguy....we do have differences. But we agree on most poltical issues. ( I think ) ....I apologize for my demeaning rhetoric towards you. You are probably a great guy. I know I'am! haha........We can differ....and argue like gentlemen! |
Posted By: Evergreen
Date Posted: February 20 2008 at 11:18am
I wasn't going to respond until your last question, Turboguy. The answer is to stop paying $1 billion/day in Iraq. We have trouble at home that needs to be paid for. D CORRECTION: $10 Billion/month. ------------- 235365 - Energy follows thought. As you think, so you are. |
Posted By: Gypsy1
Date Posted: February 20 2008 at 11:19am
| Evergreen , I didn't bring up Abortion! But there are some smart and good people who are pro-life! |
Posted By: Turboguy
Date Posted: February 20 2008 at 11:45am
Even if we puled all our troops out of Iraq tomorrow (Which would be a collosal mistake) we're still talking about 2,646,399,470,000!!! And that's on top of the US budget that's currently three trillion MORE dollars. You put a dent in that number, but where's the rest of it going to come from? Further the problems over there would be over here within days if we showed cowardice. I like those idiot Muslim Jihadists getting stomped by our military than have them come over here and start shooting/bombing innocent civilians. (Which they'd absolutely love to do) Cliche' time! If something sounds too good to be true, it is. There ain't no such thing as a free lunch. Yes Gypsy, you and I agree on a great number of political issues, if not most of them. |
Posted By: Evergreen
Date Posted: February 20 2008 at 12:01pm
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American Research Group, Inc.
February 20, 2008 Concerns over Economy Push George W. Bush's Overall Job Approval to New Low George W. Bush's overall job approval rating has dropped to a new low in American Research Group polling as 78% of Americans say that the national economy is getting worse according to the latest survey from the American Research Group. Among all Americans, 19% approve of the way Bush is handling his job as president and 77% disapprove. When it comes to Bush's handling of the economy, 14% approve and 79% disapprove. Among Americans registered to vote, 18% approve of the way Bush is handling his job as president and 78% disapprove. When it comes to the way Bush is handling the economy, 15% of registered voters approve of the way Bush is handling the economy and 79% disapprove. A total of 78% of Americans say the national economy is getting worse and 47% say the national economy is in a recession. A total of 42% of Americans, however, say they believe the national economy will be better a year from now, which is the highest level for this question in the past year. This optimism does not spread to improvements in household financial situations as 17% of Americans say they expect their household financial situations to be better a year from now, which is the lowest for this question in the past year. The results presented here are based on 1,100 completed telephone interviews conducted among a nationwide random sample of adults 18 years and older. The interviews were completed February 16 through 19, 2008. The theoretical margin of error for the total sample is plus or minus 2.6 percentage points, 95% of the time, on questions where opinion is evenly split. Overall, 19% of Americans say that they approve of the way George W. Bush is handling his job as president, 77% disapprove, and 4% are undecided. Bush job approval Approve Disapprove Undecided Feb 2008 19% 77% 4% Jan 2008 34% 59% 7% Dec 2007 32% 66% 2% Nov 2007 31% 64% 5% Oct 2007 25% 67% 8% Sep 2007 34% 60% 6% Aug 2007 28% 65% 7% Jul 2007 25% 71% 4% Jun 2007 27% 67% 6% May 2007 31% 64% 5% Apr 2007 33% 62% 5% Mar 2007 32% 63% 5% Feb 2007 39% 56% 5% Among Republicans (29% of adults registered to vote in the survey), 45% approve of the way Bush is handling his job and 50% disapprove. Among Democrats (43% of adults registered to vote in the survey), 1% approve and 99% disapprove of the way Bush is handling his job. Among independents (28% of adults registered to vote in the survey), 17% approve and 75% disapprove of the way Bush is handling his job as president. Overall, 14% of Americans say that they approve of the way George W. Bush is handling the economy, 79% disapprove, and 7% are undecided. Among registered voters, 15% approve and 79% disapprove of the way Bush is handling the economy. Bush handling the economy Approve Disapprove Undecided Feb 2008 14% 79% 7% Jan 2008 29% 63% 8% Dec 2007 28% 71% 1% Nov 2007 32% 62% 6% Oct 2007 23% 67% 10% Sep 2007 33% 58% 9% Aug 2007 29% 64% 7% Jul 2007 23% 73% 4% Jun 2007 29% 64% 7% May 2007 31% 62% 7% Apr 2007 33% 63% 4% Mar 2007 32% 64% 4% Feb 2007 40% 54% 6% Among Republicans, 41% approve of the way Bush is handling the economy and 54% disapprove. Among Democrats, 93% disapprove of the way Bush is handling the economy and 1% approve. Among independents, 8% approve and 83% disapprove of the way Bush is handling the economy. A total of 1% of Americans say that the national economy is getting better, 20% say it is staying the same, and 78% say the national economy is getting worse. National economy Getting better Staying the same Getting worse Undecided Feb 2008 1% 20% 78% 1% Jan 2008 8% 22% 64% 6% Dec 2007 7% 28% 64% 1% Nov 2007 18% 26% 55% 1% Oct 2007 8% 18% 69% 5% Sep 2007 14% 20% 63% 3% Aug 2007 8% 29% 59% 4% Jul 2007 12% 28% 58% 2% Jun 2007 16% 28% 55% 1% May 2007 19% 24% 53% 4% Apr 2007 23% 17% 59% 1% Mar 2007 19% 29% 50% 2% Feb 2007 22% 20% 57% 1% Among those saying they approve of the way Bush is handling his job, 1% say getting better, 52% say staying the same, and 41% say getting worse. Of those saying they disapprove of the way Bush is handling his job, none say getting better, 14% say staying the same, and 86% say getting worse. A total of 42% of Americans say they believe the national economy will be better a year from now, 30% say it will be the same, 27% say it will be worse, and 1% are undecided. National economy a year from now Better than today The same as today Worse than today Undecided Feb 2008 42% 30% 27% 1% Jan 2008 32% 35% 21% 12% Dec 2007 28% 28% 43% 1% Nov 2007 24% 29% 39% 8% Oct 2007 18% 27% 53% 2% Sep 2007 32% 26% 38% 4% Aug 2007 32% 20% 42% 6% Jul 2007 22% 31% 42% 5% Jun 2007 22% 33% 42% 3% May 2007 16% 29% 48% 7% Apr 2007 26% 29% 41% 4% Mar 2007 22% 27% 49% 2% Feb 2007 29% 23% 44% 4% Among those saying they approve of the way Bush is handling his job, 93% say better and 3% say worse than today. Among those saying they disapprove of the way Bush is handling his job as president, 32% say better, 34% say the same, and 33% say worse. Overall, 47% of Americans say they believe that the national economy is in a recession, 29% say they do not believe the economy is in a recession, and 24% are undecided. National economy in a recession Yes No Undecided Feb 2008 47% 29% 24% Jan 2008 35% 24% 41% Dec 2007 7% 28% 65% Nov 2007 34% 41% 25% Oct 2007 40% 38% 22% Sep 2007 25% 52% 23% Aug 2007 31% 38% 31% Jul 2007 29% 37% 34% Jun 2007 22% 41% 37% May 2007 36% 38% 26% Apr 2007 28% 53% 19% Mar 2007 25% 46% 29% Feb 2007 19% 57% 24% Among those saying they approve of the way Bush is handling his job, 16% say the national economy is in a recession, 64% say is it not in a recession, and 20% are undecided. Of those saying they disapprove of the way Bush is handling his job, 53% say the national economy is in a recession, 20% say the national economy is not in a recession, and 27% are undecided. A total of 25% of Americans rate the national economy as excellent, very good, or good and 74% rate it as bad, very bad, or terrible. National economy Excellent Very good Good Bad Very bad Terrible Undecided Feb 2008 1% 7% 17% 44% 10% 20% 1% Jan 2008 2% 14% 27% 21% 17% 18% 1% Dec 2007 7% 16% 12% 31% 16% 17% 1% Nov 2007 16% 11% 21% 25% 12% 14% 1% Oct 2007 8% 10% 20% 29% 14% 18% 1% Sep 2007 13% 14% 21% 27% 7% 17% 1% Aug 2007 9% 19% 21% 22% 16% 12% 1% Jul 2007 9% 11% 23% 28% 12% 16% 1% Jun 2007 16% 11% 20% 31% 9% 12% 1% May 2007 12% 15% 16% 25% 16% 15% 1% Apr 2007 17% 12% 29% 30% 8% 3% 1% Mar 2007 16% 13% 25% 26% 12% 5% 3% Feb 2007 12% 18% 26% 23% 3% 15% 3% Among those saying they approve of the way Bush is handling his job, 66% say excellent, very good, or good and 33% say bad, very bad, or terrible. Among those saying they disapprove of the way Bush is handling his job, 85% say bad, very bad, or terrible and 14% say excellent, very good, or good. When it comes to rating their household financial situations, 59% of Americans give an excellent, very good, or good rating and 40% give a bad, very bad, or terrible rating. Household financial situation Excellent Very good Good Bad Very bad Terrible Undecided Feb 2008 6% 17% 36% 22% 11% 7% 1% Jan 2008 12% 13% 45% 15% 6% 8% 1% Dec 2007 14% 16% 36% 12% 17% 4% 1% Nov 2007 13% 14% 38% 27% 6% 1% 1% Oct 2007 11% 22% 32% 27% 2% 5% 1% Sep 2007 12% 17% 44% 18% 3% 5% 1% Aug 2007 11% 19% 25% 33% 9% 2% 1% Jul 2007 5% 24% 39% 15% 9% 7% 1% Jun 2007 8% 19% 41% 22% 6% 3% 1% May 2007 15% 9% 38% 19% 12% 6% 1% Apr 2007 11% 16% 51% 17% 3% 1% 1% Mar 2007 11% 16% 44% 24% 2% 2% 1% Feb 2007 11% 19% 29% 28% 7% 4% 2% Among those saying they approve of the way Bush is handling his job, 100% say excellent, very good, or good. Among those saying they disapprove of the way Bush is handling his job, 46% say excellent, very good, or good and 53% say bad, very bad, or terrible. A total of 8% of Americans say they think the financial situations in their households are getting better, 45% say staying the same, and 41% say getting worse. Household financial situation Getting better Staying the same Getting worse Undecided Feb 2008 8% 45% 41% 6% Jan 2008 22% 25% 49% 4% Dec 2007 20% 50% 29% 1% Nov 2007 14% 54% 26% 6% Oct 2007 17% 45% 35% 3% Sep 2007 24% 39% 34% 3% Aug 2007 21% 37% 41% 1% Jul 2007 15% 47% 37% 1% Jun 2007 11% 48% 37% 4% May 2007 21% 44% 34% 1% Apr 2007 24% 41% 31% 4% Mar 2007 20% 40% 39% 1% Feb 2007 18% 46% 34% 2% Among those saying they approve of the way Bush is handling his job, 29% say getting better, 52% say staying the same, and 12% say getting worse. Among those saying they disapprove of the way Bush is handling his job, 4% say getting better, 40% say staying the same, and 48% say getting worse. Looking to a year from now, 17% of Americans say that they think their household financial situations will be better than today, 52% say the same as today, and 25% say worse than today. Household financial situation a year from now Better than today The same as today Worse than today Undecided Feb 2008 17% 52% 25% 6% Jan 2008 28% 41% 24% 7% Dec 2007 36% 37% 25% 2% Nov 2007 29% 43% 19% 9% Oct 2007 26% 48% 23% 3% Sep 2007 48% 29% 18% 5% Aug 2007 32% 33% 24% 11% Jul 2007 34% 39% 22% 5% Jun 2007 29% 39% 23% 9% May 2007 29% 33% 33% 5% Apr 2007 30% 33% 36% 1% Mar 2007 35% 30% 29% 6% Feb 2007 38% 46% 12% 4% Among those saying they approve of the way Bush is handling his job, 32% say better than today, 52% say the same as today, and 16% say worse than today. Among those saying they disapprove of the way Bush is handling his job, 14% say better than today, 50% say the same as today, and 29% say worse than today. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- About this Survey - Survey Sponsor: American Research Group, Inc. The American Research Group has been conducting national surveys of consumers since 1985. Sample Size: 1,100 completed telephone interviews among a random sample of all adults age 18 and older living in telephone households in the continental United States. Sample Dates: February 16-19, 2008 Margin of Error: ± 3 percentage points, 95% of the time, on questions where opinion is evenly split. Question Wording: How do you rate the condition of the national economy these days - would you say it is excellent, very good, good, bad, very bad, or terrible? Do you think the national economy is getting better, staying the same, or getting worse? Would you say that the national economy is in a recession, or not? A year from now, do you expect the national economy to be better than it is today, the same as it is today, or worse than it is today? How do you rate the condition of the financial situation in your household - would you say it is excellent, very good, good, bad, very bad, or terrible? Do you think the financial situation in your household is getting better, staying the same, or getting worse? A year from now, do you expect the financial situation in your household to be better than it is today, the same as it is today, or worse than it is today? Do you approve or disapprove of the way George W. Bush is handling his job as president? Do you approve or disapprove of the way George W. Bush is handling the economy? TOP | ARG Home ------------- 235365 - Energy follows thought. As you think, so you are. |
Posted By: Evergreen
Date Posted: February 20 2008 at 12:26pm
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All you Huckabee fans, maybe you'd like it go more like this:
Posted on Tue, Feb. 19, 2008 Board: Teach evolution as `scientific theory' BY MARC CAPUTO For the first time ever, evolution is to be taught clearly and explicitly in Florida classrooms now that the Florida Board of Education Tuesday approved a batch of new science standards that says the ''E'' word. But there's a catch: Evolution will be taught as ``the Scientific Theory of Evolution.'' The original proposed standards, updated for the first time since 1996, didn't call evolution a ''theory'' when they were drafted and reviewed by a panel of experts. Following numerous public complaints, though, the state Department of Education suggested the wording change to clearly label every scientific law and theory -- not just about evolution -- as such. The board adopted the alternate proposal, and therefore the standards, by a 4-3 vote. Religious advocates wanted more. They proposed a so-called ''academic freedom'' amendment to the standards to counter what they say is the standards ''dogmatic'' tone in calling evolution ''the fundamental concept underlying all of biology.'' The amendment would have given teachers the explicit permission ``to engage students in a critical analysis of that evidence.'' But supporters of the standards and a majority of the board said the proposal was anything from unnecessary to redundant to suspect. After all, the standards encourage ``scientific argumentation... critical and logical thinking, and the active consideration of alternative scientific explanations to explain the data presented.'' Board member Donna Callaway, who made frequent reference to her faith, tried to get the ''academic freedom'' measure considered but couldn't get a second. ''If we decide that we're going to hide this debate and we're going to hide the controversy, and we're going to hide the fact that thousands of people disagree, then we better get with the witness protection program,'' she said. ``This is a point of debate, and we need to address it right here.'' Said Roberto Martinez: ``Respectfully, Donna, it is not a form of debate, or controversy, in the mainstream scientific community.'' He was cut off by applause and whistling from the pro-evolution crowd at the packed hearing. Until then, the evolution critics had hissed and muttered when he spoke and said evolution was really a fact. But Martinez and Callaway had this in common: Both voted against the standards. While Callaway wanted a less ''dogmatic'' tone on evolution, Martinez wanted the original standards as drafted and as praised by the National Academy of Sciences. He said he was concerned that calling evolution a theory -- even a ''Scientific Theory'' -- would still confuse the two definitions of the word: a guess, or a scientific and testable concept based on facts. Martinez also made a passing reference to a 2005 federal Pennsylvania court ruling that considered an alternative to evolution, called Intelligent Design, to be more religion than science. ''What's going on here is an effort by people who are opposed to evolution to water down our standards,'' Martinez said. ``No matter how much the current strategy may have evolved in the past 20 years, the DNA is the same... creationism.'' With the new standards, teachers will be required to teach evolution and natural selection starting in the sixth grade and, starting in ninth grade, will take up learning ''hominid evolution from early ancestors'' to ``genetic drift and ``gene flow.'' Evolution is taught now in public schools, but it's not clear to what extent. But the standards never mentioned it by name, though they mentioned natural selection. The new standards not only ensure evolution is mentioned, it's to be inculcated. Supporters say the standards will make science learning more in depth and will improve the understanding of science by Florida students, who do poorly in the subject area when tested. John Stemberger, an activist with Orlando-based Florida Family Policy Council, said the standards go too far, unfairly muzzle teachers and will lead more people to pull their kids out of public schools in favor of home-schooling and private education. Stemberger was one of the 10 opponents to the standards who spoke alongside the 10 supporters of the standards before the board voted Tuesday. The roles seemed reversed, with evolution supporters talking about God and critics talking about science and the need for inclusive learning. Illustrating the apparent role reversals: the clerical collar worn by Presbyterian pastor Brant S. Copeland of Tallahassee. He supported the standards as written and said evolution has helped shed light on God's creation. On the other side: public school teacher David Brackin. He said the standards seem to discourage any teaching that questions evolution. ''There are cracks. There are holes,'' Brackin said, noting research and study from the Intelligent Design movement, which posits that multiple forms of life show such complexity and evidence of design that they must have been made by some unnamed higher intelligence. Brackin said he was concerned that the new standards wouldn't allow him the freedom to teach some of the problems with evolution. But board member Phoebe Raulerson said that's not the case. She provided the second to board member Linda Taylor's motion to add the ''scientific theory'' language, but didn't take up Callaway's motion to add the ''academic freedom'' provision because the standards already encourage critical thinking. ''One of the best parts [of the standards] is that we are trying to teach what is the scientific process,'' she said. Joining Taylor and Raulerson in backing the standards were Kathleen Shanahan and Chairman T. Willard Fair, who cast the deciding vote and quickly slipped out of the meeting during a break. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- © 2008 Miami Herald Media Company. All Rights Reserved. http://www.miamiherald.com ------------- 235365 - Energy follows thought. As you think, so you are. |
Posted By: Evergreen
Date Posted: February 20 2008 at 12:41pm
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Or maybe you'd prefer to have our brains "messed with" like this:
February 20, 2008 Pentagon report investigated lasers that put voices in your head A recently unclassified report from the Pentagon from 1998 has revealed an investigation into using laser beams for a few intriguing potential methods of non-lethal torture. Some of the applications the report investigated include putting voices in people's heads, using lasers to trigger uncontrolled neuron firing, and slowly heating the human body to a point of feverish confusion - all from hundreds of meters away. A US citizen requested access to the document, entitled "Bioeffects of Selected Non-Lethal Weapons," under the Freedom of Information Act a little over a year ago. There is no evidence that any of the technologies mentioned in the 10-year-old report have been developed since the time it was written. The report explained several types of non-lethal laser applications, including microwave hearing, disrupted neural control, and microwave heating. For the first type, short pulses of RF energy (2450 MHz) can generate a pressure wave in solids and liquids. When exposed to pulsed RF energy, humans experience the immediate sensation of "microwave hearing" - sounds that may include buzzing, ticking, hissing, or knocking that originate within the head. Studies with guinea pigs and cats suggest that the mechanism responsible for the phenomenon is thermoelastic expansion. Exposure to the RF pulses doesn´t cause any permanent effects, as all effects cease almost immediately after exposure ceases. As the report explains, tuning microwave hearing could enable communicating with individuals from a distance of up to several hundred meters. "The phenomenon is tunable in that the characteristic sounds and intensities of those sounds depend on the characteristics of the RF energy as delivered," the report explains. "Because the frequency of the sound heard is dependent on the pulse characteristics of the RF energy, it seems possible that this technology could be developed to the point where words could be transmitted to be heard like the spoken word, except that it could only be heard within a person´s head. In one experiment, communication of the words from one to ten using ´speech modulated´ microwave energy was successfully demonstrated. Microphones next to the person experiencing the voice could not pick up these sounds. Additional development of this would open up a wide range of possibilities." The report predicts that communicating at longer distances would be possible with larger equipment, while shorter range signals could be generated with portable equipment. Putting voices in people´s heads could cause what the report calls "psychologically devastating" effects. The technology might even allow for communicating with an individual hostage surrounded by captors, although this would require "extreme directional specificity." With another weapon, electromagnetic pulses could be used to disrupt the brain´s functioning, although this technology was still in the theoretical stages at the time. Under normal conditions, all brain structures function with specific rhythmic activity depending on incoming sensory information. Sometimes, the brain synchronizes neuronal activity in order to focus on a specific task, but the degree of neuronal synchronization is highly controlled. However, under certain conditions (such as physical stress or heat stroke), more areas of the brain can fire in a highly synchronized manner, and may begin firing uncontrollably. The report describes a method for replicating this highly synchronized neuron firing across distances of several hundred meters. High-voltage (100 kV/m) electromagnetic pulses lasting for one nanosecond could trigger neurons to fire, disrupting the body´s controlled firing activity. Short-term effects may include loss of consciousness, muscle spasms, muscle weakness, and seizures lasting for a couple minutes. These high-voltage pulsed sources, which would require an estimated frequency of 15 Hz, exist today. Another form of non-lethal torture described in the report is microwave heating. By raising the temperature of the body to 41°C (105.8°F), humans can experience sensations such as memory loss and disorientation, and exhibit reduced aggression. According to the report, humans can survive temperatures up to 42°C (107.6°F), at which time prolonged exposure can result in permanent brain damage or death. The microwave heating technique was tested on a Rhesus monkey, where a 225 MHz beam caused an increase in the animal´s body temperature. Depending on the dosage level, the temperature increase occurred within a time of 15 to 30 minutes. After the beam was removed, the animal´s body temperature decreased back to normal. The report suggests the technique could be useful for controlling crowds or in negotiations. While the investigations reveal intriguing techniques for non-lethal torture, the report does not mention plans for carrying out specific experiments or studies in the future. Full report: Bioeffects of Selected Non-Lethal Weapons via: Wired This news is brought to you by PhysOrg.com ------------- 235365 - Energy follows thought. As you think, so you are. |
Posted By: Evergreen
Date Posted: February 20 2008 at 12:52pm
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Better yet, let's really go all "1984" with this. Don't even get me started about what potential leader wants for us common folks.
Homeland Security commissions new human incapacitation device 02/16/2008 @ 11:06 am Filed by Nick Langewis and David Edwards One company has received an $800,000 contract from the Department of Homeland Security to develop a new "non-lethal" method of human incapacitation for use by law enforcement. By 2010, Intelligent Optical Systems hopes to be selling a sort of high-powered flashlight, the "LED Incapacitator," which would act by not only effectively blinding its target, but overloading his or her brain, with rapidly flashing lights at varying colors and frequencies. In addition to disorientation, headache and nausea are also likely. The device, designed with help from the Los Angeles Police Department, could end up in the hands on the Coast Guard, Border Patrol, Secret Service and air marshals. "It really doesn't do any damage to you," says Homeland Security's David Throckmorton. "For them, it would be to stop a terrorist--or whoever--from advancing...or somebody who's out of line on an airplane--would be able to stop them from moving forward." "Let's not pretend these are anything less than a weapon," contends the ACLU's Michael Soller. "Tasers," he uses as an example, "were sold to police departments and police officers were trained that they were non-lethal. We have 300 deaths over the past few years that show that that claim was not true." "We've been very careful to design this so the maximum permissible exposure limit for human eye safety is never exceeded," says IOS' Robert Lieberman on the risk of blindness from being subjected to the device. Any applicable risk of other phenomena, such as seizure, is not covered in the accompanying reports, nor has data been made available on IOS' website. CBS 13 News has more here. A recent report from CBS 3 News in Philadelphia is available here. The accompanying video below was broadcast on CBS 13 News on February 4, 2008. ------------- 235365 - Energy follows thought. As you think, so you are. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 20 2008 at 7:37pm
| Hate to tell you this folks Obama bin Laden will be the Dems guy and McCain the GOP guy. If Obama bin Laden is elected president be afraid be very afraid. People of America if you have never voted in your life this is the time to register to vote and go out and vote for McCain because the alternative is worse. |
Posted By: Gypsy1
Date Posted: February 20 2008 at 7:56pm
| FluMom....you are probably right! |
Posted By: coyote
Date Posted: February 21 2008 at 3:24am
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YES- Could be very bad. I do not trust him.. ------------- Long time lurker since day one to Member. |
Posted By: Evergreen
Date Posted: February 21 2008 at 3:04pm
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Let's all just vote for McCain and stay in Iraq 100 years. D ------------- 235365 - Energy follows thought. As you think, so you are. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 21 2008 at 7:43pm
| Evergreen, we have been in Germany for 60 years and Korea for 50. If we want to keep our Hummers and SUVs running and get to work we will be in Iraq for 100 years because the tree hugging Democrats will not let us drill for oil in Alaska. We did not learn from the 1970's Oil Crisis, "Thems that got the Oil makes the rules." Remember Hitler, everyone followed him with his "Solution". Reminds me of Obama bin Laden's call for "Change". Change what? The Bible for his Koran. He was raised a Muslim and he has not changed. McCain is the lesser of two evils. America we put ourselves in this position of these two men we do not want for President do not make a bigger mistake and vote for the downfall of our great country. |
Posted By: alpha480v
Date Posted: February 22 2008 at 2:42am
And lets vote for kumbaya Obama or hitlery Clinton and guarantee no oil sales to the US once they let Iran go nuclear. Once the US leaves the area, Iran will dominate the region. They will threaten Kuwait and Saudi Arabia into stopping oil sales to the US in dollars. Maybe Hitlery can cry, or Kumbaya Obama can steal an old speech from somebody and "change" us a tank of gas. Either one of these two in the whitehouse guarantees Americas fall. |
Posted By: coyote
Date Posted: February 22 2008 at 3:13am
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Posted By: Turboguy
Date Posted: February 22 2008 at 6:55am
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FluMom you forgot Japan.
Evergreen, as much as the bad taste in my mouth over us staying in Iraq for sixty years nauseates me, I need only look at Japan and Germany's prosperity after their truly devastating wars with us. Japan is one of the largest economies on the planet, and Germany is arguably the leader of a budding superpower. If we leave Iraq before they're standing on their own two feet, we're going to be dooming the area to the same fate Afghanistan was back in the 1980's after we helped them oust Soviet aggression, then left them high and dry. All the crazies will decend on Iraq and remake it in their own fanatic image, ensuring that we're going to have to go back in there and kill even MORE people. The Liberal position on the iraq war is HORRIBLY shortsighted and bears no basis in reality at all. If we leave Iraq tomorrow (Saturday), Sunday Al Quaeda will announce that they've defeated the United States, giving them even more support than ever before, increasing their recruits a hundredfold, and making the US look like utter cowards on the Global scene, ensuring a century more of terrorist attacks on Americans. As much as you'd love for a situation like that to come to pass, personally I'd rather the Muslim world look to Iraq as a shining beacon of hope, ensuring change in all the other despotic Islamic countries around the world. |
Posted By: Albert
Date Posted: February 24 2008 at 3:05pm
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Ralph Nader has now entered the race. Might have to start another poll soon.
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Posted By: DANNYKELLEY
Date Posted: February 24 2008 at 3:15pm
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Posted By: Evergreen
Date Posted: February 25 2008 at 11:07am
I actually am persuaded by Turboguy to the possibility of US presence in Iraq for a longer period than I would like to see. However, your comment above smacks of pure malice and ignorance. That stuff has already been debunked, so repeatinig it yet another time will not make it so. He's been a Christian for 20 years, as long as we're keeping score. ------------- 235365 - Energy follows thought. As you think, so you are. |
Posted By: coyote
Date Posted: February 25 2008 at 11:26am
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He's been a Christian for 20 years, as long as we're keeping score.
Obama could be Lying like Bill Clinton did. And Bill Clinton said that he didn't have sexual relations with that woman. Evergreen, I hope your right! Maybe he would make a good Pres. I just do not trust him ! ------------- Long time lurker since day one to Member. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 26 2008 at 7:06pm
| Trust your gut feel. If you don't trust Obama bin Laden now what will you do if he is your President and we find out we made a very big mistake. Obama will be the Commander Of Our Armed Forces. McCain is a little too liberal for my taste but like McCain's MaMa said, "We will all have to hold our noses and vote for him." or the alternative will be President Obama bin Laden. |