Print Page | Close Window

Ukraine-Swine Flu Mutation?

Printed From: COVID-19 / South Africa Omicron Variant
Category: Main Forums
Forum Name: Latest News
Forum Description: (Latest Breaking News)
URL: http://www.avianflutalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=25832
Printed Date: March 28 2024 at 5:30am


Topic: Ukraine-Swine Flu Mutation?
Posted By: coyote
Subject: Ukraine-Swine Flu Mutation?
Date Posted: October 28 2009 at 11:35am
Seven die from complications after unknown flu type in Ternopil region

Ternopil, October 27 (Interfax) - Seven people had died in the Ternopil region of Ukraine from complications caused by flu as of Monday, Bohdan Oniskiv, the head of the Ternopil regional administration's health department, said at a press conference.

Virtually all of these people were "young and physically healthy," he said.

About 6,000 people have visited medical institutions with symptoms of an unknown type of flu over the past several days in Ternopil, he said.

"The flu type can be determined only in one and a half weeks. The final results should come from London," Oniskiv said.

RSOE EDIS Epidemic Hazard in Ukraine

You can click on the event description when you get to the link above and read more about it.


-------------
Long time lurker since day one to Member.



Replies:
Posted By: coyote
Date Posted: October 28 2009 at 11:37am
      RSOE Emergency and Disaster Information Service
Budapest, Hungary
     Back to WWA

Summary
Event Description
Situation Update
Google Map
Additional Information
About Country
Population
Risk Analysis
Photos
Satellite Image
Seven flu deaths have been reported in the Ternopol region, the only Ukrainian area having a flu epidemic, head of the regional health department Bogdan Onyskiv told a Tuesday press conference. Doctors explained the deaths of young and physically fit persons with flu complications. The flu epidemic in western Ukraine started two weeks ago, yet the type of the virus is still unknown. “It is possible to name the type of the flu only in ten days. Ukrainian and British doctors are making tests. The final results will be announced once a London laboratory confirms them,” Onyskiv said. The Ternopol region has over 10,000 flu cases. Public events are prohibited, and 109 schools with 42,000 students are under quarantine. Experts explain the early cold and flu outbreak with a sharp drop of temperatures a week before the beginning of the heating season. The region did not have flu epidemics for the past five or seven years. The local residents had no immunity from flu. An increase of the cold and flu rate was reported from all the Ukrainian regions, but the situation is generally stable, a source at the Ukrainian Health Ministry said. The rate is high in Chernigov, Lvov, Kiev, Vinnitsa, Dnepropetrovsk, Donetsk, Zaporozhye and Kharkov.

-------------
Long time lurker since day one to Member.


Posted By: Mahshadin
Date Posted: October 28 2009 at 11:45am
Here is another link
 
http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/51370/ - http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/51370/
 


-------------
"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."   G Orwell


Posted By: ops144
Date Posted: October 28 2009 at 11:57am
thousands sick and only 6 dead sounds like h1n1 to me nothing remotely like a mutation why did you say that?


Posted By: H1N1PanFlu
Date Posted: October 28 2009 at 1:54pm
very intersting. great post coyote


Posted By: coyote
Date Posted: October 29 2009 at 4:34am
Thanks..

Update: Health Ministry Confirms 20 Lethal Pneumonia Cases In Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk And Lviv Regions

The Ministry of Healthcare confirms 20 lethal cases of pneumonia in Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk and Lviv regions, first deputy health minister Vasyl Lazoryshynets, has told at a news conference.

Ukranian News

Russian News Source

-------------
Long time lurker since day one to Member.


Posted By: coyote
Date Posted: October 29 2009 at 4:35am
Health Ministry Confirms 20 Lethal Pneumonia Cases In Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk And Lviv Regions (15:59, Wednesday, October 28, 2009)

Ukrainian News Agency

The Ministry of Healthcare confirms 20 lethal cases of pneumonia in Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk and Lviv regions, first deputy health minister Vasyl Lazoryshynets, has told at a news conference.

He said that 95 people were taken to hospitals in Ternopil region since October 13, of them 25 in grave condition and 10 of them died.

In Ivano-Frankivsk region 25 people were taken to hospitals for the same period, seven in grave condition, six died.

In Lviv region 6 patients were taken to hospitals since October 1, of them two in grave condition, four died.

In his turn, first deputy health minister / chief sanitary officer Oleksandr Bilovol said that a high threshold of incidence rate of acute respiratory viral infection has been recorded for the last week and a half in these regions, specifically in Ternopil region the epidemiological threshold exceeded by one and a half times.

He says that at the moment they are searching for underlying causes of pneumonia for every of the lethal cases.

Bilovol expects results of the research in a week.

On Wednesday Vasyl Kniazevych, the health minister, has said that nine cases of death by pneumonia registered in Ternopil region by October 28, and also 95 people treated at hospitals with the same diagnosis.

As to the minister, suspicions of the А(H1N1) influenza virus were not confirmed.

As Ukrainian News earlier reported, the health ministry formed a commission to study reasons for the uprise in the incidence rate of influenza and acute respiratory viral infections in Ternopil region.



Please contact the Marketing and Sales Department and subscribe to receive the full version of the news article:

E-mail: user@ukranews.com
tel. +38 (044) 494-31-61
fax +38 (044) 494-31-62

-------------
Long time lurker since day one to Member.


Posted By: coyote
Date Posted: October 30 2009 at 5:50am
// 30.10.2009 // 10:25 //
Number of victims to unknown virus growing! State of emergency to be imposed in Ukraine? (updated at 11:13 am)
MIGnews.com.ua

Yesterday, on October 29 some media reported that allegedly in the Ternopil Region cases of ill people with typhus were registered, and that militarized detachments limited entrance and departure from the territory of the Ternopil Region. However, the Public Relations Center of the Ministry of Emergencies in the Ternopil Region denied information about it.

Yesterday, on October 29 the chief physician of the regional sanitary-epidemiological station Halyna Hrynchuk assured that Kyiv Region is ready for prophylaxis and treatment of influenza, reported Yulia Makoveeva, MIGnews.com.ua correspondent.

In the Ternopil Region 25 percents of infectiologists who worked with patients with acute respiratory viral infections are ill, the chairman of the Association of infectiologists of Ukraine Mykhaylo Andreychin reported yesterday, on October 29 at a press conference.

"One fourth of doctors had such a disease or they are ill with it now. Fortunately, they are recovering now and soon again be able to work", - said Mykhaylo Andreychin.

Yesterday, on October 29 in Morshyn, Lviv Region a doctor from a local hospital, who contacted with patients with viral infection and visited them, died, is reported by the Deputy Chief of the Health protection department in the Lviv Region Iryna Mykytchak. According to her, a 56-year-old woman "had been previously diagnosed with pneumonia," UNIAN reports.

The medical facilities in the Lviv region have medicines for treatment of influenza and acute respiratory infections for the three-day supply, is said in the summary of information of the General Directorate of Health Protection in the Lviv Regional at the State regional Administration, UNIAN reported.

Because of the mass acute respiratory infections residents of the Lviv Region began to buy up antiviral drugs and flu masks. Yesterday, on October 29 the Lviv residents could not purchase masks. Consequently, the director general of the Lviv regional pharmaceutical corporation Nelia Byk appealed to all residents of the region with the request not to buy drugs without the need, Glavred cites the Ministry’s report as saying.

Ministry of Health recommends using the methods of traditional and alternative medicine for prevention of acute respiratory viral diseases, including influenza, Ukrainian News cites the report of the Ministry as saying.

According to experts of Ministry of Health, filling nutrition, conditioning to the cold and frequent airing of premises are effective during the period of active disease. Also, the Ministry recommends using general health-improving and tonic immunomodulatory drugs. In addition, the Ministry recommends frequent hand washing and cover a nose and mouth with a handkerchief when coughing and sneezing.

The number of people suffering from unknown virus in Ukraine is growing. According to the latest data of Ministry of Health, 30 deaths of flu and acute respiratory viral diseases have been recorded, starting from October, 19, in the Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk and Lviv Regions. In particular, from October, 19 and until 04:00 p.m. on October 29 6 deaths have been recorded in the Ivano-Frankivsk Region, 12 - in the Lviv Region (including 1 child) and 12 - in the Ternopil Region. As of 04:00 p.m. on October 29 the number of people sick with influenza and acute respiratory viral infections in these regions has reached 37, 923 people, 951 out of them have been hospitalized.

11:04 a.m. The information has been received that 3 people died from complicated pneumonia for the last 3 days in Chernivtsi. In total, during the last day the number of people sick with acute respiratory vital infections in Chernivtsi increased from 2,623 to 4,053 people. Only in 8 cases influenza was diagnosed.

According to the doctors, now in Chernivtsi unidentified viral infection is being observed. The first results of virological studies that will identify the virus, will be ready only in two weeks.

Also, three people died in the Rivne Region, and one person- in Transcarpathia.

In total, according to unconfirmed reports, 37 people died.

In connection with this anti-epidemic measures are introduced at the Lviv railway.

A spokesman for the chairman of the Lviv regional state administration Olha Kulyk also reported that "Lviv airport and Lviv Customs are under control”.

The Ternopil Regional Council decided to hold an extraordinary session on October 30. MPs will start the meeting at 02:00 p.m. today.

The emergency antiepidemic and antiepizootic Committee will be gathered today in the Cabinet of Ministers, declared First Deputy Prime Minister Olexander Turchynov in the air of 5 Kanal.

In addition, commenting on the growth of drug prices, he appealed to owners of pharmacies: "Stop be a parasite on the problems of citizens and do not play with the prices because we will have to answer for it. We are not joking, and we will act fairly tightly."

11:13 a.m. The information has been received that 3 people died from complicated pneumonia for the last 3 days in Chernivtsi. In total, during the last day the number of people sick with acute respiratory vital infections in Chernivtsi increased from 2,623 to 4,053 people. Only in 8 cases influenza was diagnosed.

According to the doctors, now in Chernivtsi unidentified viral infection is being observed. The first results of virological studies that will identify the virus, will be ready only in two weeks.

Also, three people died in the Rivne Region, and one person- in Transcarpathia.

In total, according to unconfirmed reports, 37 people died.

In connection with this anti-epidemic measures are introduced at the Lviv railway.

A spokesman for the chairman of the Lviv regional state administration Olha Kulyk also reported that "Lviv airport and Lviv Customs are under control”.

The Ternopil Regional Council decided to hold an extraordinary session on October 30. MPs will start the meeting at 02:00 p.m. today.

The emergency antiepidemic and antiepizootic Committee will have a conference today in the Cabinet of Ministers, declared First Deputy Prime Minister Olexander Turchynov in the air of 5 Kanal.

In addition, commenting on the growth of drug prices, he appealed to owners of pharmacies: "Stop be a parasite on the problems of citizens and do not play with the prices because we will have to answer for it. We are not joking, and we will act fairly tightly."

Olexander Turchynov also said that the leadership of the Ternopil Regional Health Protection Department "waited for a few weeks, did not informed the center and only after they had realized they would not cope with the situation, attended the press conference, instead of immediately informing Kyiv”.

Poland is keeping an eye on the situation with a possible virus epidemic in Ukraine. But while the State Sanitary Inspectorate of the country (GIS) does not see reasons to limit or close traffic on the common border. According to the GIS, the inspection has instructed its offices in Rzeszow and Lublin strengthen sanitary control at checkpoints on the common border, as well as monitor the current situation. In addition, the service should inform travelers about the possible threat of the epidemic and prevent the need to immediately contact a doctor in case of symptoms appearing.

GIS representative noted that from October 31 to November 3 the number of Poles crossing the Polish-Ukrainian border, will increase because many people will visit the cemeteries in Ukraine.

Member of the Verkhovna Rada Committee on Health Lilia Hrihorovich (Our Ukraine-People’s Self-Defense faction) is convinced of the necessity to declare the state of emergency in five regions of Ukraine.

MP of the Verkhovna Rada from the Party of Regions faction, deputy chairman of the Verkhovna Rada Committee on Health Viktor Korzh says that the Ministry of Health is not ready to struggle against flu and acute respiratory viral infections epidemic.

Director of the Ukrainian Center for influenza and respiratory infections, the Ministry of Health of Ukraine Olexander Hrynevich is convinced that Ukraine needs a massive vaccination against influenza in connection with a high incidence of acute respiratory infections. By reports of Interfax-Ukraine, UNIAN, Ukrainian News, Ukrainskaya pravda

As a reminder, October 28 flu epidemic in the Ternopil Region, which had appeared a week ago, mowed down nearly 10,000 of residents. Moreover - unknown virus has already killed seven people. Ministry of Health has confirmed 20 deaths from pneumonia in Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk and Lviv Regions.

A closed meeting has been held in Ivano-Frankivsk, at which participants agreed that epidemic of the so-called "pneumonic plague" is being spread throughout Ukraine. But the problem is its form is unknown, it is ATYPICAL nobody knows how to treat it.

-------------
Long time lurker since day one to Member.


Posted By: coyote
Date Posted: October 30 2009 at 6:19am
mignews.com.ua...

If this is correct, the death toll has risen from 9 to 37 in less than two days.

In total, according to unconfirmed reports, 37 people died.


www.ukranews.com...

unian.net...



The Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine introduces quarantine in nine western Oblasts of Ukraine. According to an UNIAN correspondent, Prime Minister of Ukraine Yulia Tymoshenko said this opening an extraordinary session of the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine. She noted that today in the Lviv, Ivano-Frankovsk and Ternopil Oblasts the condition of prevalence of flu reached an epidemiological threshold. According to the words of Yu. Tymoshenko that is why quarantine is introduced in all these nine Oblasts.



-------------
Long time lurker since day one to Member.


Posted By: H1N1PanFlu
Date Posted: October 30 2009 at 6:38am
It is starting to look like that coyote. I know India had said this about a month ago. They were experiencing rapid deaths. Looks like victims now are dying within 3 days of onset in many fatal cases.


Posted By: Medclinician
Date Posted: October 30 2009 at 6:58am
Originally posted by coyote coyote wrote:

mignews.com.ua...

If this is correct, the death toll has risen from 9 to 37 in less than two days.

In total, according to unconfirmed reports, 37 people died.


www.ukranews.com...

unian.net...


Coyote- you are one of the serious dataminers on here. We are trying to find in the U.S.
how much this bug has changed and also we may get a third wave back from India.

Usually in Pandemics the third wave has never been as bad- but then again-
the Black Death following the Bubonic Plague in Europe was really another wave.

If this mutates in Asia and comes back- we will be hard pressed to have an effective vaccine. We haven't got the one we've got out well yet.

We need a sequence badly from the Indian strain to see if it is indeed a mutation and how much of one it is.

Hang in there.

From here on out- its gonna get real intense.

Med


Posted By: H1N1PanFlu
Date Posted: October 30 2009 at 7:03am
Im seeing traveling increasing risk (students for sporting competitions, cross country truckers etc) and of course also those attending or teaching in schools and colleges. Im seeing about a 3 day deterioration from onset of symptoms, to death in fatalities. Lungs effected. I hope it has not mutated. Im pretty sure this is what they were reporting in India about a month ago.


Posted By: 4=laro
Date Posted: October 30 2009 at 7:33am
Ministry of Health recommends using the methods of traditional and alternative medicine for prevention of acute respiratory viral diseases, including influenza, Ukrainian News cites the report of the Ministry as saying.

According to experts of Ministry of Health, filling nutrition, conditioning to the cold and frequent airing of premises are effective during the period of active disease. Also, the Ministry recommends using general health-improving and tonic immunomodulatory drugs. In addition, the Ministry recommends frequent hand washing and cover a nose and mouth with a handkerchief when coughing and sneezing.
-------------------------------------------

They seem to be recommending using Witch Doctors as an alternative since they havent a clue what is going on.  Traditional and Alternative medicine


Posted By: coyote
Date Posted: October 30 2009 at 9:32am
INTERNATIONAL

   


Poland to shut border with Ukraine after flu outbreak?
30.10.2009 13:52

Poland’s health authorities are to decide whether extra security measures should be taken after the outbreak of a flu epidemic in Ukraine.



The Chief Sanitary Inspectorate (GIS) is monitoring Polish-Ukrainian border crossings. “People who are travelling to Ukraine are being informed about the flu hazard and instructed how to protect themselves against it,” says Tomasz Miszczak from GIS.



Ukraine’s health minister has announced a state of emergency after thirty-three people died from an unknown flu virus in western Ukraine, near the Polish border.



Almost 1000 people, mainly from the Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk and Lviv Regions, infected with the virus have been hospitalized, including almost 500 children. Hundreds of people have been referred to medical centres and clinics with flu symptoms.



Earlier, Poland’s health hinister, Ewa Kopacz, announced that Polish-Ukrainian border crossings might be closed if the flu virus turns out to be dangerous for Poles. She added that at the moment there is no need to do this.



Border traffic is getting heavier as Poles visit their relatives’ graves in Ukraine to celebrate All Saints’ Day. (mg)



Related story:

Flu epidemic panics Ukraine , thenews.pl 30.10.2009


-------------
Long time lurker since day one to Member.


Posted By: coyote
Date Posted: October 30 2009 at 10:53am
From hisz.rsoe.hu...


A closed meeting has been held in Ivano-Frankivsk, at which participants agreed that epidemic of the so-called "pneumonic plague" is being spread throughout Ukraine. But the problem is its form is unknown, it is ATYPICAL nobody knows how to treat it.



Ternopil Oblast:

“In all, 262 patients are treated in hospitals, of these 16 in serious condition. !* children have died in rural areas and 70 in Ternopil,”





The disease starts slowly, with temperature rising to 37.2 – 37.3 degrees, slight cough and pain in joints. Nasal catarrh developed at the end of the second or third day. Autopsy revealed that the lungs were soaked with blood, the oblast chief specialist said.



read the full update
hiz.rsoe.hu

-------------
Long time lurker since day one to Member.


Posted By: coyote
Date Posted: October 30 2009 at 11:26am
Reuters: Ukraine shuts schools, halts campaigning over H1N1

AFP - Swine flu deaths soar, Ukraine closes schools



-------------
Long time lurker since day one to Member.


Posted By: Mary008
Date Posted: October 30 2009 at 3:50pm

http://www.ukranews.com - www.ukranews.com
.....................................

 

Cabinet Imposes Quarantine In Nine Regions Due To A (H1N1) Flu Epidemics


(13:36, Friday, October 30, 2009

 


 33 deaths confirmed...

 

http://www.ukranews.com - http://www.ukranews.com


Health Ministry...


As of 9:00 am, October 30, the number of infected people was 81,000, of them 33,500

are children. A total of 2,341 people were hospitalized, including 1,100 children.

 

and


Ukraine To Ask WHO To Provide Anti-Viral Medicine As Humanitarian Aid For

 
Combating A(H1N1) Influenza Epidemic
 
 
 
 (16:54, Friday, October 30, 2009)
 
 
 
 
Mary008


Posted By: FluMaster
Date Posted: October 30 2009 at 4:17pm
This is a serious amount of info... Thanks Coyote

-------------

http://www.n95-mask.org - N95 Mask


Posted By: Mahshadin
Date Posted: October 31 2009 at 9:08am
Very interesting story. I found this located within another story about vaccines.
_____________________________________________________________________________
The World Health Organization is sending a team of experts to Ukraine to look into reports of severe H1N1 disease there, a spokesperson for the global health agency said Friday.

Gregory Hartl said the team was being pulled together by the WHO's Global Outbreak Alert and Response Network, which goes by the acronym GOARN.

The team will travel early next week to the eastern European country, which has closed schools and banned public meetings in response to a spike in cases of acute respiratory illness believed to be H1N1.

http://www.canadaeast.com/wellness/article/841769 - http://www.canadaeast.com/wellness/article/841769
_________________________________________________________________________________
 

Global Outbreak Alert & Response Network

 

The Global Outbreak Alert and Response Network (GOARN) is a technical collaboration of existing institutions and networks who pool human and technical resources for the rapid identification, confirmation and response to outbreaks of international importance. The Network provides an operational framework to link this expertise and skill to keep the international community constantly alert to the threat of outbreaks and ready to respond.

http://www.who.int/csr/outbreaknetwork/en/ - http://www.who.int/csr/outbreaknetwork/en/
 


-------------
"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."   G Orwell


Posted By: Mary008
Date Posted: October 31 2009 at 1:40pm
.
 
 
 
WHO: Strategic Health Operations Centre
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-DqMNon6V0 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-DqMNon6V0
 
 
Behind the Scenes: Emergency Operations
 
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VEyeGoQacY&feature=related - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VEyeGoQacY&feature=related
 
 
 
The flying White House
 
Boeing E-4 National Airborne Operations Center
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGQu05-K4aE&feature=related - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGQu05-K4aE&feature=related
 
 


Posted By: coyote
Date Posted: November 01 2009 at 3:15am
RSOE EDIS SITUATION UPDATE : 2009-11-01 03:03:33 - Ukraine
'Ukraine's swine flu epidemic is spreading at an alarming rate. The number of deaths has risen to nearly 50. President Viktor Yushchenko made the announcement, having put the number of victims at 11 just 24 hours earlier. The latest figures suggest 150,000 are sick with H1N1. Schools, universities and playgroups have been closed for the next three weeks. Mass gatherings have also been banned. Panic buying of masks and flu remedies is sweeping the country according to local media reports. The government also announced an emergency package of 40 million euros to go towards anti-swine flu measures. One woman queuing for medicine said: "What can I say? There is no medicine in the chemists. How come nobody prepared for this epidemic? Children are sick. The elderly are sick. There are no masks, not even basic pills. People are queuing and waiting for supplies to come, but nobody knows if they will come or not." The price of flu medicines rose by as much as 300 per cent in Ukraine during the previous bird flu outbreak.'
From RSOE Pandemic Alert Mail

Website: http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap




-------------
Long time lurker since day one to Member.


Posted By: Albert
Date Posted: November 01 2009 at 4:59am
It's time to place this on a sticky. 
 
This could be the same H1N1, and the Ukraine has limited (or no) med supplies & antivirals such as tamiflu.  Or something has changed.  The numbers indicate this is more severe than what we've seen. 
 
 


Posted By: Tinijocaro
Date Posted: November 01 2009 at 7:13am
It seems (from what they are saying) that the reason for so many deaths is due to limited medicine, people waiting too long to go to the doctor and not adequate enough medical equipment to deal with severe cases.  This could be the case, or....it could be a more severe strain.  Not sure who to believe at this point.


Posted By: Medclinician
Date Posted: November 01 2009 at 7:57am
Originally posted by Albert Albert wrote:

It's time to place this on a sticky. 
 
This could be the same H1N1, and the Ukraine has limited (or no) med supplies & antivirals such as tamiflu.  Or something has changed.  The numbers indicate this is more severe than what we've seen. 
 
 


It is hemorrhagic. And if they respond to this with the same mentality, they will make it immune to Tamiflu- and this could get a lot more virulent.  Is it a mutated H1N1? We can run a sequence on this in 3 days. Need to realize we have some amazing technology and toys and it is not that hard to figure stuff out. For instance, the differences in the sequence, the markers, and look at the symptoms, and way it behaves. It is not 2-3 days to catch- it is 7. It results in some serious bleeding respiratory and it kills.

Notable is it kills those over 60 as well. So much for the Baby Boomer free out card.

Albert, I am thinking maybe 3 Pandemics at once. We already have 6-7. And as per other research we are thinking two or three viruses traveling together and hitting and really putting people in a serious way.

Why aren't they giving Relenza?  You know Relenza works. Because - they are saving it.

Has anyone even bothered to find out where the cases came from? In HIV we could track the people. How hard is it to ask patient 0- there was a time when could find patient 0- what country did this come from?

Med

 


Posted By: Loribearme
Date Posted: November 01 2009 at 10:51am
I heard that the spanish flu of 1918 was deadly when it mutated in the troops that were exposed to chemical weapons like agent orange....and the combination caused the virus to drift....if that is true was not Chenobyl in the Ukraine region affected by radiation and is it possible that swine flu has mutated much like the 1918 did because of radiation and I thought I read this some place...anyone read about is also?
 
 


Posted By: Loribearme
Date Posted: November 01 2009 at 11:01am
 This is what I was trying to say

Time Line To Disaster

April 6, 1917

• U.S. declares war on Austria-Hungary, Bulgaria, Germany and the Ottoman Empire.

• America swings into full production of war material.

• American men are drafted into military service and deployed for training in Spain.

• ALL NEW RECRUITS ARE GIVEN MANDATORY VACCINATIONS—including a "broad-spectrum" live virus influenza vaccination.

• Rockefeller makes millions in vaccine sales while consolidating Standard Oil contracts worldwide.

• The first British soldiers committed to World War I are deployed to Iraq to protect American oil interests there.

• Following mass vaccine injections, U.S. soldiers are crowded into troop ships and sent to "train" in Spain. Seasick and stressed, soldiers aged 18-34 exhibit influenza symptoms on the voyage.

• Immediately after arriving in Spain, U.S. soldiers are "trained," that is, exposed to the various forms of gas they will experience in the trenches in France

• Exposure to these highly toxic gasses causes the live-virus influenza organisms to mutate into an extremely lethal and highly communicable form of virus.

• Millions of young, healthy men and women aged 18-34 die worldwide as a result of vaccinations combined with novel and highly toxic chemicals.



Posted By: LisaP
Date Posted: November 01 2009 at 1:27pm

"Millions of young, healthy men and women aged 18-34 die worldwide as a result of vaccinations combined with novel and highly toxic chemicals."

This is a bit of an odd sentence because it isn't clear whether it is suggesting that the virus combined with toxic chemicals somehow became worse (sounds like what happened to Spiderman) - or because of damage done by chemical exposure made them more susceptible to death from the virus.  If it is the latter then that should be reassuring since most of us haven't been exposed to mustard gas or whatever it was that was unleashed on our troops. Somebody help me out here, but I don't think that viruses get their genetic material from environmental chemicals.


-------------
Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean I'm wrong.


Posted By: Technologist
Date Posted: November 01 2009 at 2:48pm
Originally posted by Loribearme Loribearme wrote:

This is what I was trying to say
Time Line To Disaster

April 6, 1917

• U.S. declares war on Austria-Hungary, Bulgaria, Germany and the Ottoman Empire.
• America swings into full production of war material.
• American men are drafted into military service and deployed for training in Spain.
• ALL NEW RECRUITS ARE GIVEN MANDATORY VACCINATIONS—including a "broad-spectrum" live virus influenza vaccination.
• Rockefeller makes millions in vaccine sales while consolidating Standard Oil contracts worldwide.
• The first British soldiers committed to World War I are deployed to Iraq to protect American oil interests there.
• Following mass vaccine injections, U.S. soldiers are crowded into troop ships and sent to "train" in Spain. Seasick and stressed, soldiers aged 18-34 exhibit influenza symptoms on the voyage.
• Immediately after arriving in Spain, U.S. soldiers are "trained," that is, exposed to the various forms of gas they will experience in the trenches in France
• Exposure to these highly toxic gasses causes the live-virus influenza organisms to mutate into an extremely lethal and highly communicable form of virus.
• Millions of young, healthy men and women aged 18-34 die worldwide as a result of vaccinations combined with novel and highly toxic chemicals.


Loribearme, Penham said to try and use credible sources and Prison Planet is not one of them. I'm betting the reason you didn't post a link is because you probably jacked that post from the dysfunctional Prison Planet Forum.

It would be nice if you tried to post from credible sources.

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:mOBP4kIdrVEJ:forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php%3Ftopic%3D101090.0+U.S.+declares+war+on+Austria-Hungary,+Bulgaria,+Germany+and+the+Ottoman+Empire&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=safari - http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:mOBP4kIdrVEJ:forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php%3Ftopic%3D101090.0+%22U.S.+declares+war+on+Austria-Hungary,+Bulgaria,+Germany+and+the+Ottoman+Empire%22&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=safari


Posted By: David_R.
Date Posted: November 01 2009 at 3:10pm
Coyote, where do you get this info. from? According to everything I can find on the Ukraine there has been 34 deaths so far! Hardly soaring are they!
 Why don't you stop spreading this nonsense. There's only been about 7200 deaths from Novel H1N1 in the whole world thus far. This not a "killer" flu by any stretch of the imagination.


-------------
Altering the law is unlikely to be sufficient for change in the presence of a pervasive culture of corruption.


Posted By: Albert
Date Posted: November 01 2009 at 3:19pm
Whatever is happening in The Ukraine, it's off and running now.  We will need to track the CFR as well as all information as accurately as possible so we can figure out what we're dealing with.   Another flu virus piggybacking off h1n1?   These "non-h1n1" and "unexplained" deaths is a little odd.    
 
 


Posted By: Technologist
Date Posted: November 01 2009 at 3:25pm
Originally posted by David_R. David_R. wrote:

Coyote, where do you get this info. from? According to everything I can find on the Ukraine there has been 34 deaths so far! Hardly soaring are they!
 Why don't you stop spreading this nonsense. There's only been about 7200 deaths from Novel H1N1 in the whole world thus far. This not a "killer" flu by any stretch of the imagination.


Last check today they were at 150,000+ Confirmed cases and 48 deaths in Ukraine. That's about a .03% CFR so far and overall the death rate has been extremely low.


Posted By: Medicinal Agent
Date Posted: November 01 2009 at 3:48pm
Its too early to even begin calculating a CFR.   It is quite possible that the number of deaths are underestimated.  We need to give this time and see what the next several days brings us in terms of new information.   Time will tell....


Posted By: Technologist
Date Posted: November 01 2009 at 4:03pm
Originally posted by Medicinal Agent Medicinal Agent wrote:


Its too early to even begin calculating a CFR. It is quite possible that the number of deaths are underestimated. We need to give this time and see what the next several days brings us in terms of new information. Time will tell....


Many people were just infected so they still need a week or two before they might die. That could also cause the CFR to climb some.


Posted By: Mary008
Date Posted: November 01 2009 at 4:13pm
We would have a difficult time comparing death rates between countries... It is not something we want to do.... focus on.  It isn't nice to point out any particular countries rate of ill health and adding H1N1... the number of deaths it causes.  The death rate would have to be extremely high for concern , which it isn't at this point, mainly because they were smart to close down schools and mass gatherings.


Posted By: dennis2
Date Posted: November 01 2009 at 5:40pm
the numbers I see are that
http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/51656/ - http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/51656/
 
 
the numbers were 30 (some reports say 11) yesterday and the deaths are numbered at 53 "today" (Nov 2 over there).
 
My exchange student from Ukraine calls home on the weekend and says that most schools in her region (W) are closed and people are very scared.  It seems to be moving fast and some go from well to hospital within 24 hours.  It does not sound good.
 
 
 


-------------
after all is said and done- more is said than done


Posted By: dennis2
Date Posted: November 01 2009 at 5:52pm
Caution since I am not sure about the souce but:
http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-348983 - http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-348983
iReport —

Ukrainina officials may not inform about the real situation with the swine flu spread throughout the country. "So far over 500 people have died because of the flu," - Mykola Chyzhenko, m.d. said. "Authorities are trying to avoid panic by not telling the truth."



-------------
after all is said and done- more is said than done


Posted By: dennis2
Date Posted: November 01 2009 at 6:00pm
http://bleaknews.wordpress.com/2009/11/01/rsoe-edis-situation-update-no-1-3-ukraine-epidemic-hazard/ - http://bleaknews.wordpress.com/2009/11/01/rsoe-edis-situation-update-no-1-3-ukraine-epidemic-hazard/
This is an interesting update on the situation in Ukraine.
Notice that on the 29th the had 7 deaths listed and by the 30th 30 or 83 (depending on which report you look at).
It appears that it is hitting mostly those <45 years and that pneumonia is the common complication.
 
Again my exchange student is in constant contact via email to friends and says that schools are closed, people are afraid to go outside and into any kinds of groups. 


-------------
after all is said and done- more is said than done


Posted By: Glow
Date Posted: November 01 2009 at 7:36pm
Dennis, it sure was smart of them to close schools...this should slow the transmission and buy them some time and save lives. 


Posted By: dennis2
Date Posted: November 01 2009 at 7:54pm
Glow,

I understand that they have closed them for 3 weeks.  - also social gatherings, political gatherings,   but they are not sure about the soccer (go figure).  They have cancelled military recruitment and travel. The people are very scared. They have asked for aid from other nations and hope to have 16 tons of Tamiflu delivered.  The labs in London are checking the strains.  



-------------
after all is said and done- more is said than done


Posted By: hope4bestprep4wrst
Date Posted: November 01 2009 at 8:05pm
Dennis
Thank you for the information. I had read on another blog that about 4 out of the roughly 60 deaths were doctors. Have you seen that in your reading? Sounds like a very high percentage of HCW if true.  Thank you again.
D


-------------
Be Well


Posted By: dennis2
Date Posted: November 01 2009 at 8:35pm
hope4bestprep4wrst View%20Drop%20Down

Yes, I have seen that number in several places.  (4 HCW).  The numbers of deaths may be much higher than reported since there seem to be some delay in reports and many people are just not getting out. 

Most of my info comes from "students" that are in contact with my exchange student.  Most are sitting at home and do not go out due to fear.  I am not sure how reliable the information is.  However, it is clear that many people are home sick and many people are just "holding up" at home.  The reports from those students is that the medical hospitals are full and many people are being turned away.  It is unclear if those turned away are really very sick or just mostly "afraid".
The politicians are not generally trusted to be forthcoming with the true facts of things but are basically stopping things for 3 weeks, calling for help from Poland and others.  That is not to go unnoticed.


-------------
after all is said and done- more is said than done


Posted By: Mary008
Date Posted: November 01 2009 at 9:03pm
There was a similar... panic ....in Mexico... but we see that closing things down for several weeks works quite well. 
 
 

ukranews.com/ru/
 

Yushchenko appealed to the world with a request for assistance Yesterday.
 
10 people In Ivano-Frankivsk region have died from pneumonia yesterday
 
In Western Ukraine 4 physician died
 
 
...............


Posted By: Mary008
Date Posted: November 01 2009 at 9:24pm
 
 
Here is a rather bad... translation from google translate...
 
 
 
 
In Lviv from ORVY boleyut 2 percent of the residents
Yesterday, 17:01 • Ukraine
Ukranews
Print
Insert your blog
Send to a friend
Letter to editor
 

Region Total Lvovskyy more suffered from эпидемии in Ukraine. Photos from the site TSN.
On November 1 in Lviv 16 thousand. 672 human zabolely from острых респираторных viral ynfektsyy. Of those 7 thousand. 10 children to 18 years. 7 people died from pneumonia, even in 4 umershyh spend vyrusolohycheskoe survey.

According Lvovskoho city council, 31 October 17:00 to 11:00 November 1 ORVY zabolely 1229 people, and гриппом - 509 people. Of these 94 ill гриппом child under the age of 6 years, 139 children - up to 18 years.

Госпитализированы 26 people. During that time two dead man, now dyahnoz выясняется.

Remember, as of morning, November 1, the number of PATIENTS гриппом and ORVY in the Lviv region amounts to 78 102 people. 53 Ministry of Health today confirmed case of death from гриппа and ORVZ, starting with October 19 in Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk, Chernivtsi and Lviv regions. Эпидемия гриппа A/H1N1 in Ukraine announced October 30.

Sources: Zaxid.net
 
..............
 


Posted By: Mary008
Date Posted: November 01 2009 at 9:31pm
better trans here...
 
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=uk&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fzaxid.net%2F - http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=uk&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fzaxid.net%2F
 
 
 
 
 
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=uk&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fzaxid.net%2Farticle%2F51636%2F - http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=uk&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fzaxid.net%2Farticle%2F51636%2F


Posted By: Technologist
Date Posted: November 01 2009 at 9:37pm
This is interesting:

In Ukraine, died four doctors who have contacts with patients

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&sl=uk&tl=en&u=http://zaxid.net/newsua/2009/11/1/172808/&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhhpSdo1zxyuWEFqXyZ7u-9sUxrrkQ - http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&sl=uk&tl=en&u=http://zaxid.net/newsua/2009/11/1/172808/&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhhpSdo1zxyuWEFqXyZ7u-9sUxrrkQ


Posted By: Mary008
Date Posted: November 01 2009 at 10:36pm
 
 
It works
 

Representatives of the firms associated with revenue growth smashing success of the drug Relenza, which is used to fight influenza virus. Sales of this product brought the company 182 million pounds for the last three months.

During the first three quarters this year, specifies AP, GlaxoSmithKline received a net profit of 1.44 billion pounds. During the first 9 months of last year net profit amounted to total 1.29 billion pounds. Revenue of this year grew by 15% and amounted to 30 September 6.76 billion pounds.

Moreover, companies believe that their next quarter revenue would be even greater because of global hysteria swine influenza. According to CEO Andrew Witten, in the 4 th quarter
 
 
GlaxoSmithKline plans to make about 1 billion pounds only on sales of influenza vaccine A/H1N1, called Pandemrix. It is reported that GlaxoSmithKline has received a large order from the UK government to produce 440 million doses Pandemrix.

http://sd.org.ua/news.php?id=17653 - http://sd.org.ua/news.php?id=17653

 
 
 
 

 


Posted By: hope4bestprep4wrst
Date Posted: November 02 2009 at 3:00am
Like the song goes, too much, too little, too late.....but we shall see.
Dennis, Mary and Tech, thank you for the information.
I feel for the people there. They have been on financial hard times with the mortgage crisis as well (along with several other Slavic countries) and they're broke more than we are I think.Looks like they did the right thing to shut down.  The situation sounds scary.   We shall see what WHO finds when they go there today.


-------------
Be Well


Posted By: svo
Date Posted: November 02 2009 at 3:18am
Hello guys!

Im from Ukraine....really crappy situation here......hope people get better...and this nightmare will end.......


Posted By: coyote
Date Posted: November 02 2009 at 3:49am
Hi friend from Ukraine. Anything more you can tell us? Let us know..



Snippet from source:
According to the latest data of Ministry of Health, as of 05:00 p.m. on Sunday, October 1, the number of people who are ill with influenza and acute respiratory disease in Ukraine, have increased to 191,000 people, 83,000 out of them are children under 18 years.

More than 7,000 people have been hospitalized. Out of them 123 people are in intensive care department. As a result of the epidemic, 60 people died in the Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk, Chernivtsi, Lviv and Volyn Regions. In the Volyn region, in particular,the first fatal case has been recorded. The greatest number of deaths is in the Lviv Region - 29 people.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


mignews.com.ua...


-------------
Long time lurker since day one to Member.


Posted By: coyote
Date Posted: November 02 2009 at 3:50am
According to the latest data of Ministry of Health, as of 05:00 p.m. on Sunday, October 1


Typo error.. Must mean Nov 1st.

-------------
Long time lurker since day one to Member.


Posted By: Loribearme
Date Posted: November 02 2009 at 3:56am
Hello guys!

Im from Ukraine....really crappy situation here......hope people get better...and this nightmare will end.......
 
Can you tell us what is really going on there?    How can we help?   Can you send us pictures?   Tell us about how the government is handling this and if it is working....or not working.  
 
God bless you!
 
Lori


Posted By: Albert
Date Posted: November 02 2009 at 4:23am
Originally posted by Technologist Technologist wrote:

This is interesting:

In Ukraine, died four doctors who have contacts with patients

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&sl=uk&tl=en&u=http://zaxid.net/newsua/2009/11/1/172808/&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhhpSdo1zxyuWEFqXyZ7u-9sUxrrkQ - http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&sl=uk&tl=en&u=http://zaxid.net/newsua/2009/11/1/172808/&rurl=translate.
google.com&usg=ALkJrhhpSdo1zxyuWEFqXyZ7u-9sUxrrkQ
 
 
 
Good find tech. 
 
This could be a bad sign.
 
 
 
 
 


Posted By: svo
Date Posted: November 02 2009 at 4:27am
Well...goverment is hiding all real statistics about cases...nobody knows.....but thats really scared when you're trying to buy some medicine but drugstores are empty.....its even hard to buy some vitamins now......

Politians trying to do their best  (or they just trying to impress us i dont know), and im sure thats just becouse of elections coming......will see

Which pictures you would like to have?

 


Posted By: Technologist
Date Posted: November 02 2009 at 4:28am
Originally posted by Albert Albert wrote:

Originally posted by Technologist Technologist wrote:

This is interesting: In Ukraine, died four doctors who have contacts with patients http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&sl=uk&tl=en&u=http://zaxid.net/newsua/2009/11/1/172808/&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhhpSdo1zxyuWEFqXyZ7u-9sUxrrkQ - http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&sl=uk&tl=en&u=http://zaxid.net/newsua/2009/11/1/172808/&rurl=translate.
google.com&usg=ALkJrhhpSdo1zxyuWEFqXyZ7u-9sUxrrkQ




Good find tech.


This could be a bad sign.






Yes I'm hoping it didn't mutate. I'll keep digging and translating.


The Temperature is around 32-36F degrees. That's the perfect temp to cause very high virulence.

http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/UKOO.html - http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/UKOO.html


Posted By: Technologist
Date Posted: November 02 2009 at 4:51am
Yesterdays 48 Deaths in Ukraine are now 67 and the 150,000 Cases are now 205,000.

http://en.apa.az/news.php?id=110269 - http://en.apa.az/news.php?id=110269


CNN Ireport (Turner Broadcasting) is saying 500+ Have died in Ukraine
http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-348983 - http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-348983


Posted By: Albert
Date Posted: November 02 2009 at 5:04am
I'm afraid that story you found tech regarding the deaths of the doctors "could" tell the tale, and it also probably means that the total number of deaths is about to rise significantly as the actual number may be somewhat unreported.  


Posted By: Technologist
Date Posted: November 02 2009 at 5:07am
They need to inoculate around million people then after two weeks we will know if the current vaccine is still effective.


Posted By: Albert
Date Posted: November 02 2009 at 5:50am
7,000 have been hospitalized.  Similar to what we saw in Mexico, around .03% - 04% hospitalizations.  With the temps lowering at the same time,  this time around could get a little rough.   


Posted By: coyote
Date Posted: November 02 2009 at 6:04am
Hi Albert...


Yushchenko addresses nation, journalists about flu epidemic
Today at 08:23
Obviously we are facing a difficult situation and today the effective assessment, accurate information on the sickness rate in not only the three regions but in the whole of Ukraine is an important issue.

I have instructed the Minister for Health to develop a unified database, to prepare the official statistics, which would in real time inform primarily the Ministry of Health, the Prime Minister and the Government on the situation with the epidemic in all regions of Ukraine. Unfortunately there was no such database before today. We need to conduct the cumulative, effective monitoring.

    We have a Flu Center, which employs only one person.

My request of May to the Prime Minister to allocate funds to establish a lab, to "arm" us in the situation, when the world is smitten by the epidemic of this flu, to date has not been answered. That is why only one person is working in the Flu Center. This is the center, which is supposed to conduct monitoring in whole of Ukraine, the center, which operates under the auspices of the Ministry for Health and of the Government. I have addressed the Prime Minister with the request to urgently allocate appropriate funds - 50 million hryvnyas for the center to function.

So, the first question is the fullness of the information and establishment of full control over spreading of respiratory desists over the territory of Ukraine, the regime of real informing of the public per region and the country as the whole.

Separately I have instructed Regional Administrations to established info-centers for the population of every region to avoid panic or disinformation.

Question number two, which I think is the result of failures in the question number one, particularly the failure to establish the Flu Center, is determining the type of the virus. Today only one thing pulls the Health Ministry and effective system of actions back – determining the type of the virus. In many cases this question remains unanswered. There are even experts, who suppose it is another modified virus - the differentiated virus between the "bird flu" and the "pig flu". But only the operative analysis would answer that. The flu, which the risk group is suffering from, should be identified.

Yesterday I have instructed the Ministry of Health to formulate and present to the meeting of the Government a real action plan, which the entire government team, all local authorities and local government are to be guided by. That means the Ministry should review the national pandemic plan and, taking into account current challenges, to bind it to specific territories and Ukraine in general. The Health Ministry should clearly formulate mandatory recommendations that should guide the citizens of Ukraine, specialists and experts.

Further – be it premises restrictions, or the introduction of quarantine restrictions, or preventive measures, or vaccination, or isolation - it should be a part of a single national Ukrainian plan, which I hope I will hear at today's extraordinary session of the NSDC dedicated to the issue. The plan should include a set of quarantine measures and I will get an expert opinion on the measures already undertaken by the Government. Whether they are sufficient, or whether the process should be developed and extended. The measures we are to apply at the border, the procedure of citizens’ and transport movement between the areas. The supervision over full provision of the population with remedies. And if something is missing, buying and allocating it to the appropriate health care facilities. Providing medical departments with the number of beds necessary in case of the worst possible scenarios. I have instructed the Minister of Defense to mobilize all operational mobile hospitals so they could be deployed tomorrow in the areas, where they are needed the most.

The supply of medicines that we currently have allows us to provide help to all those in need. I have addressed international institutions and partner countries so if the situation develops in such a manner and with such dynamics that it would threaten our capabilities, we will certainly get the required amount of drugs needed for treatment and prevention. At present the required number of medicines has been distributed to the affected people - this is the latest report of the Health Minister.

    I am sure we will be able to deal with this disaster.


I would like to separately address you, dear journalists, because objective and responsible information, I think, helps the country and specialists to deal with this problem. So I ask you to refrain from agitating the country with unverified information and from using the information of dubious nature and the information that is untrue. More than ever before we now must be Ukrainians, help the nation with full responsibility to meet this problem, have a single national plan, support each other. Obviously, in the next couple of days we will assess why the epidemic was more acute in Ukraine than in any other country of European community.

Full Ukrainian text can be read here. www.KYIVPOST.com

-------------
Long time lurker since day one to Member.


Posted By: Glow
Date Posted: November 02 2009 at 8:26am
Is the vaccine even in Ukraine yet?


Posted By: coyote
Date Posted: November 02 2009 at 11:34am
Ukraine Mystery Outbreak Sparks WHO Concern as Disease Spreads
www.bloomberg.com...

Nov. 2 (Bloomberg) -- The World Health Organization sent a team of experts to Ukraine today to investigate an outbreak of respiratory disease that’s sickened a quarter of a million people and left pharmacies without masks or flu remedies.

A group of epidemiologists, physicians, laboratory technicians and communications advisers is scheduled to arrive tonight in Kiev, Gregory Hartl, a WHO spokesman in Geneva, said in a telephone interview today.

Ukraine faces an outbreak of flu-like illness that’s killed at least 67 people and infected 255,000, according to the country’s first deputy health minister Vasyl Lazoryshynets. About 22 patients tested positive for swine flu, Lazoryshynets said.

It’s “difficult to tell” whether the pandemic H1N1 virus is responsible for all the cases, according to Hartl. “There are a lot of unknowns,” he said. The crew of experts will collect samples from patients and send them to the WHO’s influenza collaborating center in London for diagnosis. The WHO may have more information on Nov. 4, Hartl said.


-------------
Long time lurker since day one to Member.


Posted By: roni3470
Date Posted: November 02 2009 at 12:24pm
If the WHO is sending a group of experts there with everything going on globally, you know it is significant.  i agree wtih alber that this is an important one to watch!

-------------
NOW is the Season to Know

that Everything you Do

is Sacred


Posted By: Glow
Date Posted: November 02 2009 at 1:15pm
What really got me worried is that they are closing down schools, theaters, etc.....similar to what Mexico did.  And Mexico did this because they had no idea with what they were dealing with...the virulence of the virus that was going around.  Could we be under a similar circumstance in Ukraine?  Because if it's the "same" virus that is here in the states, why close everything down...unless of course it is that the US has underreacted.....makes me wonder...


Posted By: MamaBear4
Date Posted: November 02 2009 at 1:27pm
No one wants to be responsible for making our economy any worse.  Thats why we will not close down anything.


Posted By: Mary008
Date Posted: November 02 2009 at 2:05pm
.
 
 
WHO
..........
 
 
 

Pandemic (H1N1) 2009, Ukraine

On 28 October 2009, the Ministry of Health of the Ukraine informed WHO, through its Country Office in Ukraine, about an unusually high level of activity of acute respiratory illness in the western part of the country, associated with an increased number of hospital admissions and fatalities

http://www.who.int/csr/don/2009_11_01/en/index.html - http://www.who.int/csr/don/2009_11_01/en/index.html

.
Mary008


Posted By: roni3470
Date Posted: November 02 2009 at 2:41pm
I just read some interesting stuff when I googled it.  They are closing everything for 3 weeks and may even not have the soccer championship thing there.  Seems extreme to me unless we are dealing with something different from the regular swine flu....what do you all think?  3 weeks? wow...all public events cancelled pretty much.  that is insane!

-------------
NOW is the Season to Know

that Everything you Do

is Sacred


Posted By: Glow
Date Posted: November 02 2009 at 2:58pm
Roni either they want to take away the attention from the dire economic situation in that country, or they have a "new strain" that is more virulent, or they have the same strain as ours and are overreacting, or we here in the states are underreacting.  But now Bulgaria just declared a swine flu epidemic and they too are closing...don't know how long...and to what extent as I skimmed through the article and haven't got a chance right now to post it.


Posted By: Glow
Date Posted: November 02 2009 at 4:22pm
Southeast Bulgaria declared Monday a swine flu epidemic over the rising number of people infected with the A(H1N1) # - virus .

The # - medical alert will be in force until November 6 but may be extended. All # - schools will be closed until that date, and all public events have been canceled.

Another southeast district, Yambol, has also declared a flu “vacation” for the schools but until November 9. The local medical authorities are deciding later on Monday whether to declare an all-out epidemic as in the neighboring Burgas District.

The same decision is due in the Gabrovo District in Central Bulgaria. Gabrovo and the Varna District have the largest numbers of infected people with the A(H1N1) virus. Some of the municipalities there already have 175 infected people per 10 000, whereas epidemic is declared at 180 sick per 10 000.

The northeast District of Targovishte declared swine flu epidemic on October 30, 2009; the alert there will last until November 6.


Tags: search_news.php?tag=swine+flu - swine flu search_news.php?tag=epidemic - , epidemic


Posted By: Loribearme
Date Posted: November 02 2009 at 5:55pm
Well...goverment is hiding all real statistics about cases...nobody knows.....but thats really scared when you're trying to buy some medicine but drugstores are empty.....its even hard to buy some vitamins now......

Politians trying to do their best  (or they just trying to impress us i dont know), and im sure thats just becouse of elections coming......will see

Which pictures you would like to have?
 
If you need meds, we can send you ibuprofen,  or aspirin.  flu meds... give us your address.  I will personally mail this to you.   send pics......tell us what is going on because I do know they will keep the stuff secret like they did with chenobyl and later found out it was not a good idea to keep it secret but that is just their way....we will help you..or at least I will.


 


Posted By: Glow
Date Posted: November 02 2009 at 6:33pm
I can send him/her N95 masks


Posted By: Loribearme
Date Posted: November 02 2009 at 7:04pm
That is cool Glow!   I will contact everyone that I work with tomorrow and we will get together a care package.    I will pay for the postage.  Lets try to get things like aspirin, flu meds, motrin,licquid and vitamins, you name it...I will take responsibility to make sure it gets there.  My son was in the army and I know how to get  a care package where it needs to go !! I work with a lot of great people who will contribute.  If we all work together we can make a difference for someone that really needs it!
 
Lets get together for this and make a difference....thank you Glow.....let me know what  we need to do...I will give you my address if you like.
 
We need to move quickly!!  Hold on, help is on its way!


Posted By: Johnray1
Date Posted: November 02 2009 at 7:27pm
Loribearme and Glow,what you all are talking doing is admiral and very nice.But if you are trying to send over the counter medications to the Ukraine or to Russia,it will never make it to the every day people that need it. The people in positions of power will intercept it and use it themselves or give it to the police and the Army.If anything that you send that might help some one,actually gets into everyday peoples hands,it will be because they will pay the people in charge a very large price for it. That part of the world is not like this part of the world.Johnray1 


Posted By: Loribearme
Date Posted: November 02 2009 at 7:32pm
maybe and  maybe not.  there must be some way around it


Posted By: abcdefg
Date Posted: November 02 2009 at 11:38pm
I know that when my daughter had a Russian  pen pal, we tried to send trinkets to her in the mail and she never reciieved them. Just as we would do, the gov. will open and inspect the pkg. Relations are not so good right now, how would they know or how would we know what could be being sent in the mail.
 
The very fact that they have no money no health dept. nothing available is more then likely what is causing this, this is or can be a mild disease if you have things like hot water, heat, or air conditioning, otc meds, prescription meds and Dr.s who can see you, hopsitals with state of the art equipment. We have discussed in here many times, that the USA more then likely the most prepared nation, is going to fall way short in a bad enough pandemic. To less fortunate countries, this or any bad virus is going to have many casualties. It is fine to say that you can limit the exposure if you wash your hands or use hand sanitizer and cover your cough, but if there is not way to accomplish hand washing and sanitizing, then you are in a heap of trouble.
 
None the less WHO can not assume that with a current novel virus so they mjust send a team anywhere where a lot of people are getting sick. The world would be outaged if they did not. It could be a mutation. I doubt it. Anytime we hear this type of story we need to look at the country and their wealth. If this happens in Austrailia, Great Britan, the USA, Canada, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Dubai, we need to run for the hills. If it is more third world we need to be on the watch and not panic.
 
Here is a nice example btw of gov. run health care. Your poor, you have none period, no tax dollars to pay for it. Could that happen here?? You bet it could, when the soviet union fell they all became separate countries, if our economy fails and the states become more like separate countries, and you live in Michigan your in deep trouble.  Think about it.


Posted By: ops144
Date Posted: November 03 2009 at 6:17am
alittle tidbit i found......

thanks to the writer

Ukraine in panic over swine flu; WHO team visits

By YANA SEDOVA and SIMON SHUSTER
Associated Press Writers
< ="" ="text/">

KIEV, Ukraine — Ukraine is in a panic about swine flu, with officials closing schools, imposing travel restrictions and limiting public gatherings. Yet many suspect that politics, not health issues, are behind the uproar.

The World Health Organization said Monday there is no evidence that Ukraine's outbreak is particularly severe, leading some political analysts to say Ukraine's politicians are using the swine flu scare to earn political points ahead of the country's presidential election in January.
< ="" ="http://alt.coxnewsweb.com/coxnet/js/daytonbreadcrumbtable.js" ="text/">
"Right now all the candidates are weighing their political options, looking around for a theme, and this is a very hot topic right now. The panic is there, and they are acting on it," said Konstantin Bondarenko, director of the Gorshenin Institute, a political think tank.

On Monday, Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko dramatically met a Swiss shipment of anti-viral drugs at the Kiev airport. Last week, her main rival, President Viktor Yushchenko, said 48 people had died of flu and thousands were infected.

The health minister, Vasyl Knyazevich, warned on Friday that nationwide quarantines could be imposed as the virus is spreading "extremely fast."

On Monday, his ministry said 67 people have died of flu, but it did not specify how many of deaths were related to swine flu. In any case, that is a tiny number in a country like Ukraine, which has a population of 40 million.

Worldwide, outbreaks of the regular seasonal flu claim 50,000 lives each year.

At the government's request, the World Health Organization has sent a team to help Ukraine deal with the outbreak.

"But this is not an indication that the situation is severe," said WHO spokeswoman Liuba Negru. "The information we have gotten (from the government), we have to double-check it and make sure it is real evidence-based information."

Bondarenko said Tymoshenko has the most to lose from public sentiment over the outbreak, as state health officials answer to her.

"This is the supply that will reliably protect Ukraine," Tymoshenko said of the shipment of 650,000 doses of Tamiflu, ITAR-Tass news agency reported. Her government plans to increase its hoard of the drug with another 300,000 doses, she added.

The January election is a pivotal vote which could overturn the 2004 Orange Revolution that swept a pro-Western government to power.
Viktor Yanukovych, the Regions' Party candidate for the presidency, has not yet commented on the swine flu uproar. Yanukovych, who was beaten in 2005 by Yushchenko, is leading in the polls with a platform that emphasizes closer ties with Russia.

During the past five years of Yushchenko's presidency, relations with Moscow reached historic lows. Yushchenko's ratings have fallen to single digits in the wake of the economic crisis, which hit Ukraine hard, and years of political gridlock with Tymoshenko.
___
Associated Press writer Simon Shuster reported from Moscow.


Posted By: svo
Date Posted: November 03 2009 at 6:53am
nice info.......


Posted By: waenderer
Date Posted: November 03 2009 at 9:33am
WHO SAYS 2500 PEOPLE ARE HOSPITALISED..1.100 OF THEM ARE CHILDREN...


Posted By: mjm1
Date Posted: November 03 2009 at 9:52am
sorry if a dupe -
 
SHOCK! Epidemic of pneumonic plague in Ukraine?

Ministry of Health has not established the exact diagnosis of the epidemic disease in the western regions of Ukraine. Health Minister Vasyl Knyazevich has given information about spread of diseases in the Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk and Lviv Regions today at the meeting of Cabinet of Ministers.
According to the Minister, the World Health Organization is ready to render assistance to Ukrainian experts and the Ministry of Health in order to establish the cause of death and development of disease flu in the Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk and Lviv Regions.
"We are working at receiving the vaccine against influenza A (H1N1) also", - said Vasily Knyazevich and asked the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to render assistance.
Answering question of Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko about the definition of the specific nature of the disease, the head of the Ministry of Health said: "The nature of infections is viral one. But at the moment it is not defined, is it the Californian influenza H1N1, or it is our seasonal influenza. To date, there is no precise diagnosis."
In turn, First Deputy Prime Minister Olexander Turchynov urged "not to slow in the matter, and hold a conference tomorrow," and noted that preliminary information about the nature of infections will be received tonight.
According to the Minister of Health, to date, 12 adults have died in the Ternopil Region. "There are problems, people of working age 20-45 years are sick, there is a problem with pregnant women (we have the death in the Ivano-Frankivsk and Ternopil Regions), 17 patients remain in the grave condition, 4 of them have artificial pulmonary ventilation", - said Vasily Knyazevych.
According to the Minister, leading international experts, particularly from Russia and Europe, will be involving into establishing the diagnosis.
He noted that the Ivano-Frankivsk region reached the epidemic threshold. 6 deaths are registered there which are related to this situation. Also, the Minister of Health noted that the climatic and temperature conditions in the Ternopil Region did not lead to the development of disease in these regions.
In turn, Yulia Tymoshenko ordered before the end of today's meeting of the government to bring her all the data, the estimates associated with the epidemic disease as a draft form. She also ordered Oleksander Turchynov to consider the issue of informing the public through the video and broadcast that person should avoid work and study if he has signs of cold, and urgently appeal to the doctor.
In addition, Prime Minister instructed the Ministry of Health to send special circulars, which contain instructions for the doctors in this situation, to all hospitals of Ukraine, and to explore the amount of necessary additional funding to counteract an outbreak of viral diseases in the western areas.
In connection with the spread of flu quarantine has been declared in schools in the Ternopil and Ivano-Frankivsk Regions.
04:10 p.m. Despite the fact that doctors do not state that epidemic of swine flu has started in Ukraine, the facts speak for themselves: a man died in Transcarpathia. Precisely swine flu killed him.
According to reports, a week ago the man returned from Saint Petersburg, where he was on a business trip, with symptoms of cold, but sought medical treatment only when the health condition was already critical: there were complications in the form of inflammation of the lungs and pulmonary edema.
Doctors and specialists of the Transcarpathian regional sanitary-epidemiological station previously recognized swine flu as the cause of death, but in connection with the complexity of the final laboratory tests the cause of death of the man has not yet succeeded, reports Obozrevatel.
Another patient with symptoms of swine flu has been hospitalized to regional infectious diseases hospital in Uzhhorod. The resident of Koritnyany village, Uzhhorod district recently returned from Moscow, and felt a deterioration of health. Doctors are confident due to the timely treatment the patient will recover.
Today in Uzhhorod a press conference is planned to be held involving specialists of the Office of Health and State Administration. It will be held at 03:30 a.m. in the regional center of health.
As MIGnews.com.ua correspondent has learned, a group of specialists of Transcarpathian regional sanitary-epidemiological station has left for investigation of a fatal case in Volovets village, whence the deceased comes from. Doctors say that it would be too difficult to confirm the presence of swine influenza in the region - in Ukraine there are no special methods and technical capabilities, Vitaly Logos, MIGnews.com.ua correspondent reports.
An epidemic of A/H1N1 influenza may appear in November in Ukraine, told the director of the Ukrainian Center of influenza and acute respiratory infections Olexander Hrynevich. "Most likely, it will appear when the weather deteriorates. People will be cold”,- said Hrynevich.
05:22 p.m. 21 people have died in three western regions of Ukraine, according to preliminary data, of pneumonia, ForUm reports. Swine influenza has not been found, but the final results will be known in two days, when the additional tests will be spent in London.
Olexandr Hrynevich assured that Ukrainian epidemiologists have been prepared for the epidemic of influenza A/H1N1, reports ForUm. According to him, the state has reserves of disinfection means, necessary tests to identify A/H1N1 have been purchased, places for treatment of patients have been prepared. Hrynevich suggests that an epidemic of swine flu may start soon in Ukraine.
Today, on October 29, it has become known about another case of death from pneumonia in Chernivtsi. Ministry of Health calls on all citizens if symptoms of influenza or other acute respiratory viral diseases appear, go to hospital immediately.
Due to the epidemiological situation the trip of President Victor Yushchenko to the Lviv Region may fail, Glavred cites the chief state sanitary doctor of the Lviv region Roman Pavliv as saying.
On Saturday, October 31, business trip of President of Ukraine to the Lviv Region is planned to be on the occasion of the establishment of the West Ukrainian National Republic.
Three members of Ukraine’s embassies are being checked by doctors on influenza A (H1N1), Foreign Minister Petro Poroshenko reported. "There was information that the three officials of embassies are suspected of being ill with virus A (H1N1). All necessary facilities were provided for treatment and diagnostics," - he said.
Petro Poroshenko said that the Foreign Ministry established a fund for immediate disbursement of funds for treatment in cases where the health of members of diplomatic missions of Ukraine is under threat. The Ministry is also developing mechanisms for temporary insurance for diplomats working in countries where the epidemiological threat or an emergency for their social protection are declared, Ukrainian News reported.
05:39 p.m. Doctors are calling on citizens not to vaccinate against influenza, because such vaccination in the midst of the epidemic may injure the health, coordinator of epidemic influenza in Lviv Miron Borysevich claimed at a press conference, proUA.com reports.
"When an outbreak of influenza begins, nobody is being vaccinated. From the point of view of epidemiology this can not be done because it is harmful. It may harm the patient," - he said.
At the same time, doctors advise not to communicate with people who are sick. If you have to contact with sick people, use flu masks.
A closed meeting has been held in Ivano-Frankivsk, at which participants agreed that epidemic of the so-called "pneumonic plague" is being spread throughout Ukraine. But the problem is its form is unknown, it is ATYPICAL nobody knows how to treat it.
PNEUMONIC PLAGUE has an acute course than other forms, over and is accompanied by a very high mortality rate. The incubation period of primary pneumonic plague rarely exceeds more than 1-4 days. It begins, as a rule, suddenly - with shivering, fever, headache, myalgia, weakness, nausea. The symptoms of pneumonia - cough with phlegm, chest pain, shortness of breath - usually appear on the second day of the disease. Blood spitting, growing respiratory disorders, heart failure, respiratory failure, shock are being observed. In primary pneumonic plague phlegm usually is watery or mucinous, foamy, with blood or visibly bloody.
A secondary pneumonic plague occurs as interstitial pneumonia. Phlegm is scanty and more dense and viscous than in primary pulmonary plague. It is believed that in this regard, patients are less contagious.
As a reminder, yesterday, on October 28 flu epidemic in the Ternopil Region, which had appeared a week ago, mowed down nearly 10,000 of residents. Moreover - unknown virus has already killed seven people. Ministry of Health has confirmed 20 deaths from pneumonia in Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk and Lviv Regions.
By Yulia Makoveeva, MIGnews.com.ua
 
http://kuruc.info/r/40/49636/ - http://kuruc.info/r/40/49636/


Posted By: ops144
Date Posted: November 03 2009 at 10:03am
Originally posted by waenderer waenderer wrote:

WHO SAYS 2500 PEOPLE ARE HOSPITALISED..1.100 OF THEM ARE CHILDREN...


link?


Posted By: dennis2
Date Posted: November 03 2009 at 10:08am
ops144,
 
you can find the current updated numbers for Ukraine here:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=windows-1251&langpair=auto%7Cen&u=http://www.moz.gov.ua/ua/main/press/%3FdocID%3D13969&tbb=1&rurl=translate.google.com - http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=windows-1251&langpair=auto%7Cen&u=http://www.moz.gov.ua/ua/main/press/%3FdocID%3D13969&tbb=1&rurl=translate.google.com
 
and a good source for hourly  Ukraine news is:
http://www.kyivpost.com/ - http://www.kyivpost.com/
A total of 2, 998 people have been hospitalized, including 1, 252 children under 14.
The overall number of patients is 106, 112, including 50, 136 children aged under 14.


-------------
after all is said and done- more is said than done


Posted By: dennis2
Date Posted: November 03 2009 at 10:12am
Oh yes, ops144,
I think the numbers:
A total of 2, 998 people have been hospitalized, including 1, 252 children under 14.
The overall number of patients is 106, 112, including 50, 136 children aged under 14
 
are just for the Lviv region of the country and not entire Ukraine.
 


-------------
after all is said and done- more is said than done


Posted By: endman
Date Posted: November 03 2009 at 11:39am
I think the issue is flu vaccination people in Ukraine or Russia have very backward mentality when it comes to vaccinations the don’t trust the doctors or vaccines , they prefer to use holistic medicine for all their ills, the best medicine is vodka then stem room. If the virus slowly lingers in the body people just go about their business until it’s too late 


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 03 2009 at 12:32pm
What's being desccribed does sound more like pneumonic plague than H1N1 after doing some (superficial) reading on the two.  From Wiki:
 
Onset of symptoms can occur anywhere from 24 hours to 10 days after exposure.  There's overlap in the incubation period for the two diseases, which could explain confusing the two - especially if you have thousands sick with H1N1, and then a fluke patient with PP comes into the hospital and exposes a few hundred people that already have compromised immune systems from fighting flu.  A Dr. misses it because they're tired and already saw 100 H1N1 cases that day, and now you have 2 bugs with similar initial symptoms moving through the same population.
 
<snip>
 
Pneumonic plague is a very aggressive infection requiring early treatment. To reduce the risk of death, antibiotics must be given within 24 hours of first symptoms. #cite_note-CDC-0 - [1] /wiki/Streptomycin - Streptomycin , /wiki/Gentamicin - gentamicin , /wiki/Tetracycline_antibiotics - tetracyclines , and /wiki/Chloramphenicol - chloramphenicol are all effective against pneumonic plague.

Antibiotic treatment for seven days will protect people who have had direct, close contact with infected patients. Wearing a close-fitting surgical mask also protects against infection. #cite_note-CDC-0 - [1]

Without treatment, the mortality rate from pneumonic plague approaches 100%. #cite_note-ISU-2 - [3]

...

The most apparent symptom of pneumonic plague is coughing, often with /wiki/Hemoptysis - hemoptysis (coughing up blood). With pneumonic plague, the first signs of illness are fever, headache, weakness, and rapidly developing pneumonia with shortness of breath, chest pain, cough, and sometimes bloody or watery sputum. #cite_note-CDC-0 - [1] The pneumonia progresses for two to four days and may cause respiratory failure and /wiki/Shock_%28circulatory%29 - shock . Without early treatment, patients will die, some within 24 hours.

<snip>


Posted By: roni3470
Date Posted: November 03 2009 at 1:02pm
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091103/ap_on_he_me/eu_ukraine_swine_flu_9 -
I highlight something I thought was interesting in this article....as if they know there is a new form of swine flu
 
 
 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091103/ap_on_he_me/eu_ukraine_swine_flu_9
 
 

Swine flu scare tightens borders around Ukraine

By SIMON SHUSTER and SERGEI GRITS, Associated Press Writers Simon Shuster And Sergei Grits, Associated Press Writers – Tue Nov 3, 11:44 am ET

LVIV, Ukraine – Russia and Slovakia tightened their borders with Ukraine on Tuesday as the World Health Organization began investigating a suspected swine flu outbreak.

The death toll from flu has climbed to 71 since the outbreak struck last week in the western city of Ternopil, Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko said.

Blood tests have yet to determine how many of these deaths were from the new and aggressive H1N1 strain. But the WHO said in a statement on Tuesday that most flu cases in Ukraine can be assumed to be H1N1, "as the pandemic virus has rapidly become the dominant influenza strain worldwide."

As a precaution, schools and universities across the country will remain closed this week, and officials urged people in western Ukraine to travel only when necessary and stay away from public places.

Slovakia, which lies on Ukraine's western border, closed two of its five border crossings with Ukraine to keep the infection from spreading. In Russia, where there have been 14 confirmed swine flu deaths, the Health Ministry said it would examine anyone crossing the border from Ukraine and quarantine people with severe symptoms.

The World Health Organization sent a team to Kiev on Monday to assist local health officials with the epidemic. It recommended against restricting travel or closing borders, calling such measures ineffective in preventing the spread of the virus.

The Ukrainian government's precautions have been reasonable considering the potential threat, WHO spokesman Gregory Hartl said.

"By closing schools and canceling mass gatherings in the early stages of an event ... you can slow down the transmission of the virus," Hartl said by phone from the organization's headquarters in Geneva. "So far there is only one confirmed death (from H1N1 in Ukraine), but there is a big event going on there."

The WHO is focusing its efforts on the western city of Lviv, "where reported numbers of cases showing severe manifestations of acute respiratory illness have been especially high," it said.

The government has already urged cafes, cinemas and theaters to close indefinitely in Lviv, and roughly a third of the people in the streets on Tuesday wore surgical masks to avoid inhaling the virus, as did the Ukrainian guards on the border with Belarus.

But the emergency ward of the central hospital in Lviv saw no shortage of available beds, even as patients trickled in complaining of flu symptoms on Tuesday. All of those accepted for treatment were quarantined.

Compared to last year, the total number of flu deaths in Ukraine has actually dropped by 10 percent, the UNIAN news agency quoted Deputy Health Minister Vasily Lazorishinets as saying.

This led some Ukrainian officials and medical experts to accuse the government of exaggerating the outbreak for political gain ahead of presidential elections to be held in January.

In January, Tymoshenko and President Viktor Yushchenko will face off for the presidency. That election could overturn the 2004 Orange Revolution that swept a pro-Western government to power in Ukraine for the first time. Leading in the polls is Viktor Yanukovich, who was beaten in 2005 by Yushchenko, but has pulled ahead on a platform that emphasizes closer ties with Russia

  



-------------
NOW is the Season to Know

that Everything you Do

is Sacred


Posted By: ops144
Date Posted: November 03 2009 at 1:07pm
even if it is plague it is treatable with antibiotics


Posted By: Glow
Date Posted: November 03 2009 at 1:19pm

Charter 97: Belarusians die from pneumonia complicated by swine flu

Today at 20:45
Medical workers report to the Health Care Ministry that, about 10 people have died in Minsk from pneumonia, a A(H1N1) flu complication. Journalists managed to get a medical report saying the cause of death of two persons of 27 and 36 years old (they died on the same day) was pneumonia. RNA of A(H1N1) flu were detected in their tissue samples.



Posted By: Glow
Date Posted: November 03 2009 at 1:20pm
http://www.kyivpost.com/news/russia/detail/51836/ - http://www.kyivpost.com/news/russia/detail/51836/


Posted By: Mary008
Date Posted: November 03 2009 at 1:24pm
 
 
Belarusians
 
die from pneumonia complicated by swine fluToday at 20:45
 
 
check the map...
 
 
http://www.avianflutalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=25887 - http://www.avianflutalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=25887
 
 
 


Posted By: waterboy
Date Posted: November 03 2009 at 1:36pm
 
RSOE Emergency and Disaster Information Service
Budapest, Hungary
http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php?lang= - Back to WWA
 
Summary
Event Description
Situation Update Information
Google Map
Additional Information
About Country
Population
Risk Analysis
Photos
Satellite Image
Seven flu deaths have been reported in the Ternopol region, the only Ukrainian area having a flu epidemic, head of the regional health department Bogdan Onyskiv told a Tuesday press conference. Doctors explained the deaths of young and physically fit persons with flu complications. The flu epidemic in western Ukraine started two weeks ago, yet the type of the virus is still unknown. “It is possible to name the type of the flu only in ten days. Ukrainian and British doctors are making tests. The final results will be announced once a London laboratory confirms them,” Onyskiv said. The Ternopol region has over 10,000 flu cases. Public events are prohibited, and 109 schools with 42,000 students are under quarantine. Experts explain the early cold and flu outbreak with a sharp drop of temperatures a week before the beginning of the heating season. The region did not have flu epidemics for the past five or seven years. The local residents had no immunity from flu. An increase of the cold and flu rate was reported from all the Ukrainian regions, but the situation is generally stable, a source at the Ukrainian Health Ministry said. The rate is high in Chernigov, Lvov, Kiev, Vinnitsa, Dnepropetrovsk, Donetsk, Zaporozhye and Kharkov.


Posted By: dennis2
Date Posted: November 03 2009 at 1:37pm
see the map ???? 
the areas of radiation are not located near Minsk where the deaths were.  I do not understand your point. The same with the cases in Western Ukraine and the high radiation levels to the north and E of Lviv.
 
What point are you trying to make?


-------------
after all is said and done- more is said than done


Posted By: Mary008
Date Posted: November 03 2009 at 1:51pm
dennis... Radiation effected areas as far west as Britian... so the people in Western Ukraine may have been also... see map...west of Chernobyl...
 
 
 
 
 
 
Please note the areas of illness...
 
 
 
 
Posted: 30 October 2009 at 3:47pm
http://www.ukrainetravelmate.com/images/ukraine_map.gif - http://www.ukrainetravelmate.com/images/ukraine_map.gif
 
 

Ukraine no stranger to  Flu.
..........................................
...................................................
 

back in 2007...
 
From Ukraintrek.com...

18/02/2007
 
 
As many as 3,3000 schools are on quarantine, presently due to flu epidemic in Ukraine.

................................................................................................................................
 
 
2009
.........
 
 
Western Ukraine Hard Hit By Illness
........................................................

Scroll down to see photos of each area
 
 
 
 
Prime minister mentioned quarantine in ...
 
 
 
 
Ivano-Frankivsk,
http://ukrainetrek.com/Ivano-Frankovsk_Oblast.shtml - http://ukrainetrek.com/Ivano-Frankovsk_Oblast.shtml
 
 
 
Lvov, and
http://ukrainetrek.com/Lvov_Oblast.shtml - http://ukrainetrek.com/Lvov_Oblast.shtml
 
 
 
Ternopil regions, where flu cases were registered.
http://ukrainetrek.com/Ternopol_Oblast.shtml - http://ukrainetrek.com/Ternopol_Oblast.shtml
 

 
and quarantine in six neighbouring regions:
 
 
 
 
Zakarpattia,
http://ukrainetrek.com/Zakarpatya_Oblast.shtml - http://ukrainetrek.com/Zakarpatya_Oblast.shtml
 
 
Chernivtsi,
http://ukrainetrek.com/Chernivtsi_Oblast.shtml - http://ukrainetrek.com/Chernivtsi_Oblast.shtml
 
 
Rivne,
http://ukrainetrek.com/Rivne_city.shtml - http://ukrainetrek.com/Rivne_city.shtml
 

Volyn,
http://ukrainetrek.com/Volhynia_Oblast.shtml - http://ukrainetrek.com/Volhynia_Oblast.shtml
 

Khmelnytskyi, and
http://ukrainetrek.com/Khmelnitski_Oblast.shtml - http://ukrainetrek.com/Khmelnitski_Oblast.shtml
                                                                                                      
 
Vinnitsia.
http://ukrainetrek.com/Vinnitsa_Oblast.shtml - http://ukrainetrek.com/Vinnitsa_Oblast.shtml
 
 
 
Mary008
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
http://www.cna.ca/curriculum/cna_safety/images/ukr_map.jpg - http://www.cna.ca/curriculum/cna_safety/images/ukr_map.jpg


Posted By: dennis2
Date Posted: November 03 2009 at 2:11pm
So if the two are linked, why the hot spots of the flu in Lviv and Minsk where the radiation levels are < 15curries of Cs per Km^2 and not in the radiative hot spots (hundreds of miles removed) of >40 Cu per km^2? 
 
Again, what scientific study can you point to that shows any correlation of radiation exposure and cases of flu? I would be interested.  I do not see an obvious correlation. A large number of the flu cases are in children borned well after the Chernobyl event.  If there was a correlation, I would expect the death rate to be  higher in the older people that were more heavily exposed during the 1986 event.  That is to say,  I would expect a large variation in the death rates between those born before and after. Those born before 86 would have a much greater exposure.  


-------------
after all is said and done- more is said than done


Posted By: Mary008
Date Posted: November 03 2009 at 3:42pm
 
hi dennis...
any information you may want can be found here and on many other  sites.
 
 
http://www.chernobyl.info/index.php - http://www.chernobyl.info/index.php http://www.chernobyl.info/index.php?userhash=411903&navID=23&lID=2 -
 
 
 
Mary008


Posted By: Loribearme
Date Posted: November 03 2009 at 4:12pm
The radiation affected person would get the swine flu and the virus would be more able to mutate.  to the nasty form like 1918 had!   Read the history of the 1918 spanish flu and you will see that correlation.   Also they had the same kind of lungs that would bleed out too!


Posted By: Loribearme
Date Posted: November 03 2009 at 4:23pm
http://iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/tiki-read_article.php?articleId=209772 - http://iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/tiki-read_article.php?articleId=209772
 
Report: Flu vaccine in Ukraine maybe contaminated with live bird flu virus
By: The Flu Case on: 03.11.2009 [11:55 ] (197 reads)

(2067 bytes) [c] http://iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/tiki-print_article.php?articleId=209772">Print
Unconfirmed reports from the Ukraine say that the seasonal flu vaccine used was contaminated by the live bird flu H5N1 virus and that the presence of the artifical virus has resulted in the unusually large numbers of deaths and cases of sick people.

The symptoms reported are consistent with people being infected with the bird flu virus, namely severe lung infections, blood and pneumonia.

The panic caused by the emergence of such a virus will help big pharma, the media and WHO/UN stampede people into taking the swine flu jab.

Other safe and effective measures that offer protection against a lethal virus, such as colloidal silver, MMS, face masks and vitamins are not being mentioned by the mainstream media.

Also, WHO has officially said that the seasonal flu jab can contain a "pandemic" virus, paving the way for big pharma to put in virulent viruses.

WHO supplied Baxter in Austria with the live bird flu virus which Baxter then used to contaminated 72 kilos of seasonal flu vaccine this February.

Because Baxter is obliged to adhere to biosafety level 3 regulations when handling the aritifical bird flu virus, developed by Jeffrey Taubenberg in a US bioweapons lab, an accidental contamination can be ruled out.

Baxter distributed the 72 kilos of contaminated vaccine material with a false label to 16 labs in four countries — Czech Republic, Slovenia, Germany and Austria — so nearly triggering a bird flu pandemic, according to the Times of India.

A WHO affiliated scientist in France, Professor Bruno Lina, told the local media this summer he was looking for a gene to make the swine flu more virulent.

Injecting the live bird flu virus into people will increase the chances of a lethal virus mutation emerging as happened in Indonesia when a WHO mandated vaccination campaign led to an outbreak of bird flu.

http://www.theflucase.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1565:unconfirmed-reports-seasonal-flu-vaccine-in-ukraine-contaminated-with-live-bird-flu-virus&catid=41:highlighted-news&Itemid=105&lang=en


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 03 2009 at 4:33pm
Right - I wouldn't expect it to get far in the US if this is the case, since most Dr.s here seem to want to hand out anti-biotics along with a flu diagnosis just to ward off any potential co-infection.
 
On the other hand, if people do catch PP and think they have the flu, we could see fatilities from people who try to just "get through it."
 
There aren't many good options here.  The only way to protect the population from PP would be to tell people to assume they have it if they get sick and seek treatment immediately.  Then you get panic.  On the other hand, if you supress the info, you get a lot of deaths - which depending on how boged down the system already is dealing with H1N1, may not have been avoidable any way.


Posted By: Technologist
Date Posted: November 03 2009 at 9:56pm
I've looked into the possibility of a mutation in Ukraine and I don't see any at all. It looks like what we have here in the US. It's spreading quickly because of ideal weather and weak economy. The lack of advanced medical care, Medicine or even vaccinations to treat it. This is pushing the death toll somewhat higher then in the US per infection.

Some parts of the US are still going to peak much higher as the weather gets colder while some regions are already dropping.

The Current death toll in the Ukraine is 70 with 250,000 Infections.
That's a .028% CFR and the lack of proper medical care greatly effects the CFR.

http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/51857/ - http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/51857/

Med the guy that wrote a Book on REAL UFO sightings made his own thread talking about everything from 15% CRF to 100% CFR :)

If people want to panic and think about Radioactive mutations thats understandable but extremely unlikely.


Posted By: Mary008
Date Posted: November 03 2009 at 10:38pm
 Radioactive mutations
...................................................
 
out on a limb...   The point is ...anyone with an underlying condition is more at risk.
 
(how will the Ukranian people feel about Baxter vaccine?)
 
 
What vaccine will be available to them?
 
 
.......
 
 
Mary008


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 03 2009 at 10:54pm
From what I've read, the "California" H1N1 isn't particularly prone to reassortment.  Whether that speaks to mutation through exposure to radiation, or spontaneous mutation, I highly doubt since these are entirely different processes.
 
I think the "unknowns" leading to speculation about the possibility of mutation are the reports of victims with lungs flooded with blood.  Also as you point out, the CFR is very low, despite even the lack of medical care and sanitation. 
 
But here's the part that doesn't fit plain vanilla H1N1:  From
By Yulia Makoveeva, MIGnews.com.ua
http://kuruc.info/r/40/49636/ - http://kuruc.info/r/40/49636/
Quote
Health Minister Vasyl Knyazevich has given information about spread of diseases in the Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk and Lviv Regions today at the meeting of Cabinet of Ministers. <snip>
A closed meeting has been held in Ivano-Frankivsk, at which participants agreed that epidemic of the so-called "pneumonic plague" is being spread throughout Ukraine. But the problem is its form is unknown, it is ATYPICAL nobody knows how to treat it.
 
Summing up, some (but not all) cases of influenza like illness are presenting like pneumonic plague, and based on the numbers (which vary greatly depending on where you get them), the CFR doesn't fit will for either illness.  That leaves us with mutation or co-infection.
 
So far I haven't heard any reports of people in the US coughing/spitting up blood:
 
Quote
Blood spitting, growing respiratory disorders, heart failure, respiratory failure, shock are being observed.
 
Originally posted by Technologist Technologist wrote:

I've looked into the possibility of a mutation in Ukraine and I don't see any at all. It looks like what we have here in the US. It's spreading quickly because of ideal weather and weak economy. The lack of advanced medical care, Medicine or even vaccinations to treat it. This is pushing the death toll somewhat higher then in the US per infection.

Some parts of the US are still going to peak much higher as the weather gets colder while some regions are already dropping.

The Current death toll in the Ukraine is 70 with 250,000 Infections.
That's a .028% CFR and the lack of proper medical care greatly effects the CFR.

http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/51857/ - http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/51857/

Med the guy that wrote a Book on REAL UFO sightings made his own thread talking about everything from 15% CRF to 100% CFR :)

If people want to panic and think about Radioactive mutations thats understandable but extremely unlikely.


Posted By: Albert
Date Posted: November 04 2009 at 5:10am
No updates?  Let's hope the Ukraine has not decided to suppress info or current news to avert a possible panic.   If we could get updates, then perhaps we can follow this event (or wave) as it spreads around the world, and prior to it reaching North America.   If the virus is following the cold temps, it might be a slow-mover.   
 
No updates on the rate of infection or spread?  No latest CFR/deaths? 
 
 



Print Page | Close Window