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Topic: BF Virus Artifically Created?
Posted By: Corn
Subject: BF Virus Artifically Created?
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 5:00am

Bird flu virus may have been artificially created - expert

TBILISI. Feb 27 (Interfax) - The H5N1 bird flu virus, which is dangerous for humans, might have been artificially created, Georgian biologist Dmitry Kipiani said on Georgian Imedi radio on Monday.

"We cannot be certain about this but there is some circumstantial evidence, including the unsolved murders of renowned micro-biologists in some countries," he said.

The former Soviet Union developed biological weapons for decades. "This information is not a secret, it can be found on the Internet," he said.

http://www.interfax.ru/e/B/politics/28.html?id_issue=11470887 - http://www.interfax.ru/e/B/politics/28.html?id_issue=1147088 7



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Posted By: libbyalex
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 5:17am
I just read this too!!! Holy smokes.... This is absolutely creepy. Especially as I am reading The STand for the first time.... -- Libby, who hasn't even had a full cup of coffee yet and is hoping she's only dreaming this


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 6:50am
What proof is there for this claim?  This biologist does not give any.  Bird flu has been around for a long time (it was the confirmed cause for the 1918 flu).  While it could be said that several countries have the biological warfare capabilities to do this, it is equally possible (and more probable) that it was caused by overpopulation of birds and people, creating situations where both are coming in close contact with each other leading to viral mutations and the spread of disease.  Every bad situation is not necessarily due to to a political conspiracy. 


Posted By: calendula
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 6:58am

No harm or offense intended, but as Naturopathic doctor/practitioner/consultant myself, I do not understand how Virusil can come right up and postulate that SIlver is the magical silver bullet to "cure" or treat this virus or any other disease for that matter, first rule taught in Naturopathic/Natural Health school, " we do not diagnose, prescribe, we can only educate and enpower the client with factual and/or supportive research in order for them to make the best or appropriate decisions regarding their physical, mental state"  it is unethical to our profession to express ourselves in that mode. 



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Posted By: virusil
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 7:06am
as a naturopath i am not afraid to be jailed.i prefer to be persecuted than to hide the truth,this is ethics.beside as a human i have to enlighten other humans,this is ethics.silver is hot topic.........because it cure.because it is natural.affordable

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Posted By: elbows
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 7:27am
Silver has some proven uses, it was very popular before antibiotics were invented. It is being used in the battle against MRSA, it can be applied to surfaces to prevent Staph from surviving on them.

Overingestion of silver can cause argyria, leading to a bluish-gey tint of skin, mucous membranes etc. Silver is not toxic, but its use is still controvertial, some silver salts have been implicated as being carcinogenic.

I havent looked at silver in relation to influenza viruses, I imagine not enough research has been done, but this will be explained by some as a conspiracy to keep the masses from understanding the benefits of silver. I find it likely that the reality is somewhat more complex than that.

As for whether H5N1 has been artificially created, well how am I or any of us supposed to know? We know that in theory it is possible to manipulate influenza in the lab, it would be possible for humans to tamper with H5N1 and change some of its attributes. But that doesnt mean that this is what happened, influenza is clearly capable of doing plenty of stuff without the intervention of humans.

The stuff about dead microbiologists has been on various websites for many years, initially people were trying to tie it into the anthrax attacks. Certainly some of the deaths are suspicious, but we rally dont know if we are joining the right dots or not.

Then there is the question of who would of done it, and motive. Clearly there are many countries who have been playing around with biological agents for many decades. Peoples existing bias'es are likely to be the main factor in who they decide is responsible, eg Georgia has traditionally been dominated by the soviets, so its understandable that he will point the finger at them. Others may see China, North Korea, USA, Britain, as likely candidates.

Pretty much everytime some new disease comes along, some think it is manmade. People wondered if SARS was some Chinese experiment gone wrong. People wondered if AIDS could have been man-made. In the pandemic of 1918, some people in the USA blamed the Germans for it (due to world war 1).

What would the motive be? Its not sensible to release an agent that can affect the whole world, biological weapons are supposed to be targetted at a particular 'enemy'. Some will get round this by saying that the nation responsible has stockpiled vaccine, but this would become a bit obvious when a pandemic arrives, so theyd be caught red-handed?

Need evidence, not just people saying stuff.

Take the 1977 re-emergence of H1N1. There is some scientific basis for believing that this may have been released by man accidentally. This is because the strain that emerged in 1977 was identical to a strain that had been isolated in the 1950's and used in labs. If the 1977 re-emergence had been a natural event, we would of expected it to have mutated away from the 1950's strain somewhat, but it hadnt. So the theory is that after the 1976 H1N1 swine scare in the USA, lots of labs around the world started preparing for a H1N1 vaccine. Someone had an accident with lab biosecurity when messing with live H1N1, and it got out and spread across the globe.


Posted By: Ella Fitzgerald
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 7:33am

The BF virus has been around for years. I'm not going to give credit to a story of 3 sentences.

 



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Posted By: virusil
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 7:33am
follow the money line and you will end up to rumsfield,selling worthless tamiflu

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Posted By: Elizabeth
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 7:39am
Shouldn't this be under the speculation section?


Posted By: virusil
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 7:43am
rumsfield put aspartame on the market and now other nasties in the skyfollow the money please

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 7:56am

If anyone is interested, this is the link to view information about silver from the Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry (ATSDR).  While ATSDR primarily deals with occupational chemical exposures, you might find the information informative. 

http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/phs146.html - http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/phs146.html



Posted By: virusil
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 8:05am
the funny thing is simple unless you drink  it you will not notice that it will cure you,this noble metal is the only saviour that i know from my practice,for the instance of truth,i will be not without my silversolution,keep your rumsfield tamiflu concotionand i will keep my silver solutionhow about that solutionthis is moderationa lot of lies were said about silver a lot............but i can sayone thing about it.it works

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ignorance.


Posted By: elbows
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 8:10am
Oh youve had H5N1 bird flu and survived by taking silver then?




Posted By: virusil
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 8:14am

according to the medical journal lancet,tamiflu is worthless,dick cheney know that and he tried to purchase organo oilin barrels,ask your self the question whysilver is on the front page of civil defence web page .

tacda.org.

chek this page pleasedo the math survive



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Posted By: virusil
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 8:18am
go to     sanosil       ,  site make a search it is on their front page it was tested.silver is efficient on h5 n1

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Posted By: elbows
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 8:37am
As I said earlier, Silver has some proven uses, Im not trying to dispute that.

What I am disputing is whether there is any evidence that ingesting silver will help someone who has caught H5N1.

Sanosil have tested one of their detergents that has silver in it, and found it kills influenza including H5. Buts its a detergent, cant drink that, these tests have nothing to do with whether silver helps humans fight H5N1, just that silver can kill viruses & bacteria that exist on surfaces etc.

tacda is not an official civil defense site, looks like it was setup in the 60's after cuban misile crisis, some people werent happy that governemnt civil defense program was being downsized so they setup their own. They sell stuff. They talk about silver in the context of being useful against biological agents. not bird flu specifically.



Posted By: virusil
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 8:43am
sanosil is silver and hydrogene perxyde,it is the combination of those two that deactivate viruses,being in or being out of the body a virus is a virus and it is killed by that.after more than 12 years in practice i think that i can say it works,not less than 250000 of bottles efficiency more than 98% positive results,this is the silver bullet.

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Posted By: elbows
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 8:48am
Yes Virusil but more care has to be taken when trying to eliminate virusus within a body, because you dont want to kill the body with the cure.

What exactly are you recommending people do with silver? I certainly hope you arent telling people to drink something that contains hydrogen peroxide?

I mean, you can kill influenza viruses by heating them up to 70 degrees C, but thats no cure for humans is it, because you will cook them!

Also just because something can kill viruses on surfaces etc, doesnt mean this action will definately also happen within a human body, its more complex than that.


Posted By: elbows
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 8:50am
Fritz that stuff is mostly just marketing. What Im looking for is scientific studies into the potential of silver to fight influenza within the human body.


Posted By: virusil
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 8:56am

thank you fritz,for the knoweledge i am the biggest producer of high quality silver in north america,with 140 000 square feet facilities,2.5 millions invested.and you now what.i dont even have a web site.my solution is under great demand.out of humanity and ethics im sharing this with you,not all silver solutions are equals,just 3 companies are nice one,

asap silver.

sovereign silver,

and guess whati leave the third guess up to you................



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Posted By: elbows
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 9:01am
Call me old-fashioned but I think Id rather get advise about the usefulness of silver from people who have no vested interest in silver being sold as a cure.

Quack quack quack, this is even worse than Rumsfeld & Tamiflu, at least there are some scientific studies showing Tamiflu has some use.


Posted By: virusil
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 9:11am
quaks are duksand duks will survivebut be sure of one thingiwill never tell people to drink aspartame and tamiflu,do the math,the most efficient killers are aspartame and this new virus,im not trying to sell you anything,just get the picture right,im informing yourumsfield and the rest are not doomed they have silver to survive

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 9:13am
Other forum members:  Please correct me if I am wrong, but I do not think this forum was created to provide an advertising campaign or platform for people to sell or promote their specific products.  I do not mean any disrespect to you virusil, but there are many websites that are currently set up just for the purpose you are seeking.  To promote and sell your products to the public.  Does anyone else wish to comment?


Posted By: virusil
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 9:19am
i am not selling i am telling the truth. 3 compagnies are manufacturing a life saving product and this must be common knoweledgebesides of that tamiflu is worthless and this must be knoweldge too

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Posted By: virusil
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 9:26am
hydrogen peroxyde must be added in smal amount,i cant say how much,but it is very negligeable this is one of my secretsand no it is not harmful in any way,it will catalyse the silver,and add more punch on it

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Posted By: calendula
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 9:33am

I agree with you Sniffles, I have read some information in some of these threads that I know and can back up with fatcs that it is totally wrong, and I am hoping that the people reading these blogs will verify it before going on and taking doses of anything.  Perhaps, some of the info should be backed-up be either  giving credit to the source, providing the link  or something to that extend,  that way everyone will have the chance to check it out and make their own decisions...the rest of the info should be placed on pure speculation thread.



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Posted By: virusil
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 9:47am
i am happy that time will do the job,it is important to be sceptic in life but when that became a way of life,doubts ..............etc,mother nature will do the jobsurvinving will be tough,few items will be worth fortunes,exemple 1-pure water,2-decent clean food,3-silver as a broad spectrum natural remedy,4-friends real friends.i cant barter with the lives of my friends,for me there is no price for that those 3 items will be in great demand,fortunes will be made.do the math prepare.

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 10:15am
While avian flu is here, let's not forget that North Korea has thousands of liters of werponized smallpox.


Posted By: Fruit Loop
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 10:31am

Virusil-

This topic needs to NOT be under the news forum. This can be in the medical section and it has steered away from Corn's original topic. Please be careful. Lets not get too quacky here. People came here for relevant news info and not for "fortunes to be made." Lets be responsible in this forum.



Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 10:35am

Some health effects of ingesting hydrogen peroxide are sore throat, abdominal pain, abdominal distension, nausea, and vomiting.  If you ingest hydrogen peroxide, you are supposed to rinse your mouth, do not induce vomiting, and seek medical attention.  This information is from the NIOSH (National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health - a division of CDC) International Chemical Safety Cards.

http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/ipcsneng/neng0164.html - http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/ipcsneng/neng0164.html

I would strongly urge that people not drink or eat chemicals intended for disinfection of skin or surfaces (tables, floors, etc).  You could become very ill.



Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 10:37am

I, for one, would be willing to try a natural remedy.  If Virusil has some natural secret he is sharing, as he/she keeps stating, then why not share the knowledge.  Anything that is out there has to be bought.  If any of you have NOT checked out aspartame and the deadly affects on the body, be sure that you do.  It is a slow killer - puts holes in the brain.  Just don't use it, very addicting too. 

Peroxide won't kill you if swallowed, I've used it to rinse my mouth.  I don't know about drinking it so please don't try that.  I'm sure it's been studied, like everything else, and there will be warnings of ingestions on the bottle. 

What if Virusil does believe in this for a cure and is right, and it doesn't have any harmful side affects...shouldn't this person be able to share a potentially life saving natural mineral???

Yes, elbows, I would like to see some documented cases too, but I believe the US pharmacutical companies have robbed people and put the $$$ in their pockets while our elderly have to choose between eating or taking their meds.  If there was a low-cost natural solution, they wouldn't allow the information out there.  It is all in the name of the dollar.  The love of money is the greatest evil, it causes men to do wicked things...

Maybe there is a more appropriate thread, under natrual remedies, but this could be good information non-the-less.  Let SZ make that call. 



Posted By: virusil
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 10:39am
i am talking about right information,about the possibility that the virus might be created to wreck havoc on us,as for financial gain,this is about a reply to somebody that treated me quack,after i provided solutions to solve the problem,as for the truth like the tamiflu,it is not in my agenda tamiflu is worthless ,now if somebody want to listen this is fine for me if not this is fine as well,the truth will be out there few people will survive.........because of the wrong information available.

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Posted By: virusil
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 10:55am
thank you nikita,hydrogen peroxyde must be higly diluted in order to ionise the metal into ions,im not talking out of my hat,it is out of more than 12 years doing my practice,saving thousand over thousand of lives.hydrogen peroxyde must not being ingestedfew amounts is needed to ionise silver,im not bullsh*tting anybody,im telling the truth that can save lives,with this knoweledge you can survive,not with tamiflu.

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Posted By: virusil
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 11:01am
silver in the right form and concentration with hydrogen peroxyde synergy will knok off any nasty,being inside or outside,i repeat the solution is very efficient,my job is to inform you that the fda banned any silver solution because it is simply too much for thembut lol they will run on it to drink it as soon as they will start dying

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Posted By: Corn
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 11:24am

dugh! I really like the part anbout the mysterious deaths of the microbiologist.  Call that lady from Murder she Wrote.

Anyway. With all the biowar fare stuff the world has done in the past 100 years..... Isn't it about time somebody slipped up or something slipped out? Who knows.. It's here either way. Just saw it on  the news and posted it. Something to consider......



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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 11:36am
Corn Have you seen any activity over there in regards BF?


Posted By: Dejuan
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 11:53am

I love conspiracy/ coincidence theories but I do have an undergraduate degree in cross cultural history.  I know that all superpowers have and continue to dabble in biological warfare.  However,  I do not think that the emergence of avian flu in China is a direct result of Russian interference.  Plain and simple we have a population problem.  This past Saturday the world hit 6.5 billion.  Mother Nature has a way of correcting unbalances.  It is possible that H5N1 is a product of human tinkering however I believe this is a natural cycle.

Dejuan  



Posted By: elbows
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 12:42pm
Originally posted by virusil virusil wrote:

thank you nikita,hydrogen peroxyde must be higly diluted in order to ionise the metal into ions,im not talking out of my hat,it is out of more than 12 years doing my practice,saving thousand over thousand of lives.hydrogen peroxyde must not being ingestedfew amounts is needed to ionise silver,im not bullsh*tting anybody,im telling the truth that can save lives,with this knoweledge you can survive,not with tamiflu.


The problem is that proof is needed.

It is a great problem in general. Because people know that goverments can lie or coverup. So we arent sure how much to value their information. But sometiems what they say will be true. And even if you never believe the government, that doesnt mean you should always believe the people that are saying something different to the government.

This is a great problem not just for trying to work out which cures are best, but whetn trying to form conclusions on forums about when bird flu will arrive. When we hear of a coverup, some will naturally assume the worst, and believe whatever reports contradict the government most.

The terrible truth is we dont know. Unless youve treated people for H5N1 influenza with silver, or read some scientific reports that looked at it, then you dont know either. Then we are just back to the usual blind faith that inflicts humanity. Back to our instincts.

We need better information, not to take anybodies word for anything, to fact check. Its good to speculate, but only when we constantly remind ourselves of  the difference between speculation and fact.

Silver does have some apparently proven health benefits.  What illnesses were you treating people with using silver? Those people you say would die without your use of silver, what were they suffering from? And how do you know they wouldnt of survived without the use of silver?


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 12:58pm

I have moved this post from latest news to here....I will repost corns original post and you can continue coonversation in preps..and the orginal post can be commented on..

Thank You

Muskrat...



Posted By: virusil
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 3:10pm
i posted my comments, and i feel ,accused,mistreatedand i dont regret to help other,but to be accused of quacki think this is too much.......accordingly,if someone is in need of infos,they can ask me i will answer those cne only,from now i will refrain from posting.as this is highly a cause of concern for me..........

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Posted By: Fruit Loop
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 3:34pm

I was going to stay away from this but I have to post.

In my opinion it IS irresponsible when you say that "tamiflu is worthless" and that Silver will save you from the bird flu virus. I am not knowledgeable about benefits of Silver, but I KNOW it's NOT the cure-all for bird flu! NOTHING is the cure-all for bird flu, at least not yet.

Everyone's opinion is wanted and ideas SHOULD be shared but just be careful about the statements you make so someone doesn't get hurt.



Posted By: virusil
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 3:58pm
i repeat tamiflu is worthless,and the proof is in the medical journal.........lancetend of the debate

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Posted By: Fruit Loop
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 4:04pm
Ok.


Posted By: elbows
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 4:14pm
If you dont want to be called a quack by people like me, you just have to post more detailed information, links to research etc. Why should I believe you, especially when you said you manufacture that stuff.

The Lancet does not say that 'Tamiflu is worthless'. What they found was that there was no evidence that Tamiflu reduced the deathrate from H5N1 in Asia. But they admit that this may have been because the drug was given too late. They also worried that tamiflu doesnt prevent normal influenza from being passed on by someone taking Tamiflu, so they are still a contageous threat.

That article in The Lancet was interesting, and is basically warning that Tamiflu is no magic bullet. Few people are expecting there to be one magic bullet of any kind.

So Tamiflu has its uses but may have been overhyped. The solution to that is not more hype about another magical solution.


Posted By: virusil
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 4:32pm
have you heard the silver bullet expressionthis is the silver bullet,as for the informations i already gave you 2 sites to visit,your answers are negative,and pathetic,you treated me as a quack i take it as an honor,after 12 years of results,iwas trying to share it with other. but apparently einstein is rightas for my product i tried to warn others of the importance to stock on distilled water whybecause viruses are spread through this medium,as i said previously this is a cause for concern to me.and personnaly i consider the debate close,tamiflu is simply ..........you know that ,i know that, and every body know it as wellfor the record i dont think that you need or understand distilled water,so keep going.for me the debate is over

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Posted By: elbows
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 4:41pm
What I know is that when looking for substances to take to help against influenza, people will usually want to see some evidence that the substance actually has some effect on human beings who have got bird flu.

You cannot rubbish Tamiflu because there is some evidence that it didnt help the people with bird flu, if you cannot then offer a scientific study showing that silver DOES have some effect.

You can call my replies negative and pathetic all you like. We know the debate is over for you, its obvious that you are convinced that silver works. But Im not sure youve said anything that would convince anybody else of this. You certainly have not given me links to anything on the internet that even remotely proves silver has an effect on human beings infected with influenza.



Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 4:48pm

Thank you elbows!

While people are certainly free to choose, I always try to remind people to make INFORMED decisions.  Decisions based on best available information weighed against their individual needs and circumstances.

SZ



Posted By: virusil
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 4:49pm

as i said it is over as for you do the math,i dont have more time on yousorry elbows,read my above posts.............

if silver works,sure babe, silver lining,silver bullet ,those expressions are still here to remind you.........GOD IS PERFECT SO HE KEPT A WINDOW for you and other to see.and ,and this is a nice qustion for,you......explain to me please the death of 36000 deaths per year of flu in the states alone,if tamiflu works



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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 4:55pm

Virusil,

You have made your point and Elbows has countered it.  Let's move on please.

Agree to disagree or I will have to move these posts into the members only room and you to can continue till your fingers bleed and the rest of the board won't have to be witness.

Thank you,

SophiaZoe



Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 4:57pm
Yes informed is the right word.  We had a WHL hockey player he make it into the NHL, and all of a sudden he was having leg cramps and other symptoms and had to step down, after a couple of years of testing they discovered that there was a silver mine up the creek from where  the water supply was for his parents ranch in Alberta. 
They now have him back playing in the NHL, Steve Passmore.  Greatest Goalie, super person.  Now my facts are just from memory, so don't write a book on it.  Just wanted to warn everyone.


Posted By: virusil
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 5:04pm
hi sophia for me the debate is overi was sharing........and paf i received it on my facei surely will not  let someone accusing me of quackery,this information is vital,for the world.and i am not selling sofas,im trying to contribute knoweledge is powersilence worth gold but speaking worth silver,i like this one

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Posted By: mini-mouse
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 6:42pm

Well, we know beyond any shadow of a doubt that sofas work, maybe you should be selling those instead.

 

Thank you, Elbows - Good ChaseWink!!!!!

 

 



Posted By: virusil
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 6:56pm
this is not cat and mouse play,this is serious matter,i myself dont belittle any job,i have in a very high esteem any decent job.i dont sell sofasbut i was wise through years of works to accumulate a fortune from helping people,and guess what i stand on 2.5 millions worth of silverbeside of helping people in their health,those that will survive this pandemic in 2012,will open the golden years of man,and womensorry ladiesyou will suffer little bit more to deliver the golden children

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Posted By: mightymouse
Date Posted: February 28 2006 at 5:24am

virusil-

It appears that there is a rather large credibility gap concerning your claims.  You talk the talk but you do not walk the walk.  Like a crooked accountant - figures lie and liers figure.

1.  Please post sites relative to your claims.  It would be nice to see some support other than your own self-evident villification.

2.  Please post copies of your last three years Canadian Income Tax forms.  I have the suspicion that you are worth-less than worth-more.  Financially speaking of course.

I, for one, would like to seperate the BS from the truth with you.  Anyone who puts themselves upon a pedestal better be able to show a solid foundation otherwise they are nothing more than 'Snake Oil Salesman'. and desereve to get knocked off.



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Posted By: virusil
Date Posted: February 28 2006 at 6:03am
visit the site nanocid.com, a lot of information is there ,this is not my site by the wayihad enough of that

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Posted By: mightymouse
Date Posted: February 28 2006 at 6:30am

I will give you that silver does indeed have bacteria-killing properties as the below articles back-up - but to claim that your product will save you from BF is a statement that needs proof  - otherwise you are despensing not only a possible bogus product - but also false hope.  The site you referred to (nanocid) seems to refer to industrial uses and not about personal ingestion and effects thereof.  A silver bullet it may be but without powder behind the charge it is nothing but a 'dud' when it comes to BF.

http://www.invive.com/pioneer.html - http://www.invive.com/pioneer.html

http://www.xpressnet.com/bhealthy/WaterPurification.html">

Pioneer's Use of Silver

How did they purify the water?

Pioneers trekking across this continent generations ago not only faced hostile Indians and many hardships, but also required sufficient safe drinking water. Heat, dust and unsanitary conditions such as a communal dipper, compounded the water purity problem. Using the discovery of ancient Greeks, the pioneers used silver and copper coins to keep the water potable.

In oaken casks hanging on the sides of the wagons they placed silver and copper coins. As the wagons rolled over the prairies, the water would slosh and move in the casks. This action caused the coins to release ions which killed bacteria. The silver coins discharged silver ions which killed bacteria and prevented future growth. The copper coins produced copper ions which killed and prevented the buildup of algae.

Thus on their long, slow journey these hearty people had a constant source of potable water.

In the late 1800's electrical impulses were added to copper and silver bars to enhance the effectiveness of ionization. It was in 1950 when ion purification was introduced to swimming pools. Thirty years of development and field testing has gone into this product.

One thing was certain. To keep pool water clean and in balance required a lot more than attaching a wire to two electrodes. A number of 'lab tested' ionization units appeared on the market and promptly disappeared or created so many problems that pool dealers and builders became gun shy and stayed away from ionization.

Today, ionic purifiers use two copper electrodes impregnated with silver. The electrodes are charged positive and negative. When a small milliamp current passes between the two bars, microscopic ions of silver and copper are discharged into the water. The silver ions kill bacteria and help prevent future bacteria growth, while the copper ions kill algae and prevent their growth.

Until recently, the major concern of pool builders was the excessive buildup of copper which in many cases resulted in "blueing" of plastered/mortised pool walls.

The new ionic purifiers are a result of today's technology. The past problems of ionization, the varied conditions of pools, the fluctuating water chemistry levels, the attentiveness of pool owners, all sorts of conditions went into massive computers. Consultations of top engineers in electronics, plating, water chemistry and manufacturing contributed in a coordinated effort lasting one year to debug ionization and produce a product that would not only live up to its standard but provide an excellent honest-to-goodness profit for dealers.

Owners of pools and spas can now bathe without the side effects of chlorine. No more red eyes, dry skin, hair damage or faded and sagging bathing suits. The family fun, exercise area just became a more healthier, fun, exercise area.

http://www.invive.com/uses.txt - For more information about today's uses for silver. http://www.xpressnet.com/bhealthy/WaterPurification.html -

http://www.xpressnet.com/bhealthy/index.html - Silver Protein and Lyme Disease Information.

And below article: http://www.xpressnet.com/bhealthy/WaterPurification.html -

tp://www.xpressnet.com/bhealthy/WaterPurification.html

THE SILVER INSTITUTE LETTER

VOLUME III, Number 5, May 1973

SILVER CLEARS UP POLLUTED WATER

Russian scientists working on water recycling and purification problems
for the Soviet space ship and orbiting station program have decided on
silver as the best long-term sanitizing agent. Researching the problems
of water storage over periods of several months, as well as purification
for immediate use, they determined that ionized silver provides the
safest and longest lasting method of transforming polluted waste in
potable water.

A significant fact in support of their decision to use silver for
purification was their experimental confirmation of the absence of
toxicity in the silver treated water. In lengthy experiments on animals
they found that 100 parts and 200 parts of silver per billion in
drinking water does not accumulate in the organism and does not produce
any detrimental effect on the functioning of the organs or systems of
the experimental animals.
This was also confirmed by year long experiments on volunteer human
subjects. The concentration of silver used in these tests . . . 100
parts and 200 parts per billion . . . is in striking comparison with the
10 to 50 parts per billion of silver found in potable water and in
swimming pools treated by silver purification systems in the United
States.

The scientists, Drs.. S. V. Chizhov. S. P. Pak, N. N. Sitnikova and Y.
U. Koloskova. tried many methods of purifying regenerated water but all
except the silver system proved unsatisfactory over the long run.
Ultra-violet rays and ultra-high-frequency sound reduced micro-organisms
by as much as 97% but water thus treated failed to meet standards of
acceptibility if the water were stored for any considerable period of
time. Chlorine, which is widely used to kill bacteria, requires dosages
in thousands of parts per billion compared to the 100 ppb and 200 ppb
used in the Russian tests; the chlorine itself is a pollutant for
certain water uses and it often is dangerous to store or handle. In sum,
the Russians found silver to be the safest sterilizing agent, stable,
and long-lasting.

The research also showed that decontaminated water may change in
reaction to its container. They concluded that polyethylene containers
are suitable for the short-term storage of silver-ionized water. For
long-term storage of a few months or more, they decided it is better to
use a vessel made of polymers of the fluorine plastic group, or metal
containers of vitreous enameled aluminum alloy (for lightness in a space
ship).

Included among the many experiments conducted by Dr. Chizhov and his
associates were those designed to assay the purification of water
condensed from the atmosphere inside a simulated space vehicle. The
quantity of microorganisms in the regenerated water before the
introduction of the ionized silver varied from 200 to 1,900
microbiological parts per milliliter. Tests of the water made 15 to 20
minutes after contact with the ionized silver showed in most cases that
in this 15 to 20 minute period, full sterilization had occurred. In a
few cases, complete purity was achieved only after 30 to 40 minutes of
exposure. Study of controlled samples of the water after 24 to 72 hours
showed the continned and complete absence of microorganisms.

The Russians also suggested that the regeneration of water from the
byproducts of human activity seems feasible through the use of silver
ions as the decontamination agent. In this application they found it
desirable to introduce silver ions into the water with the aid of
various filtering materials in order to provide the slow dissolving of
the silver. Designing the filter and selecting the form in which silver
is introduced will allow engineers to establish any desired
concentration of silver ions in a given volume of water, they believe.



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Posted By: virusil
Date Posted: February 28 2006 at 6:41pm
i am happy that you brought this infonow i did my part i invite others to do their part of thiswe are here to help each other,right.......i offer you my knoweledge and please dont ask me the silly point of showing my personnal income taxe,this is irrelevant,we need constructive news.

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Posted By: mini-mouse
Date Posted: February 28 2006 at 9:04pm

Post Mistake................



Posted By: mightymouse
Date Posted: February 28 2006 at 9:08pm

virusil-

If you make claims that can't be backed up you are going to get requests for proof.

Even Einstein offered proof for his claims - though many couldn't understand him to begin with.  You seem hard to understand and you offer no proof - therefore you are very far removed from the levels of Einstein though you do seem to satisify meeting the requirements of the above stated two universal elements.

Anyway - enough of this useless banter - you're right - we are here to help each other and I hope you consider what I am saying as helpful.



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Posted By: virusil
Date Posted: March 01 2006 at 7:10pm
i tookmy day off for thinking

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Posted By: virusil
Date Posted: March 01 2006 at 7:34pm

i  took my day off for thinking........scratch my headok

lets go...........we have a problem,based on my calculation,and believe me i did input the human factorthe picture is not so bright for you folks out therethe point is not the efficiency of silver on the virus ,the problem is time,the process to manufacture the solution in a high standard form,is time consuming,and this is the factor missing in the equation.assuming that i have 3billions us dollars worth of silver,this is what i need to produce the amount needed to cover humanity need,assuming that i have a big place and 20litresx6.5 billions of distilled water,what is still needed is time,every batch takes 48 hours to be produced,in my point of view,it is feaseable right now but what is needed is something like 20 billions,first batches will go on the spot to stop the spread,it is still feaseable by dispatching the silver ,on farms for exemple .in order to stop the spread which will give us some more time to produce for humans.

so accordingly,we have two problems

1-time   very important

2-money .not that important       ex    bill gates

i find the way,produce,dispatch the air born with silver where it is needed. (in order to gain some time on this monster)

2-CONTACT MELINDA AND BILL GATES FOUNDATION

so anybody who can help this plan please be informed that your life is at stake not mine

iwould add this excuse my english since i am a francophone in quebec.

merci au revoir



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Posted By: virusil
Date Posted: March 01 2006 at 7:58pm

i have on stock just to cover the need in my province in quebec,idohave a nice installation,but not to cover the planet

what i can do,i suggest if someone got any idea about that



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Posted By: mightymouse
Date Posted: March 02 2006 at 6:01am
Interesting plan.  Perhaps it could work.  As you stated there might be a slight problem with the implementation. About Mr. & Mrs. Bill Gates stepping up to the plate to back your idea - a possiblility though IMO rather remote.  Good luck with your saving the world.

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