http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=1401 - http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=1401

and tell me please this is a snake oil

this is the silver bullet,and i got a lot of this ammo

I read that somewhere else as well. Sounds like research in its infancy stage. Lets see real tests on real birds or mammals.

Question is why would it kill viruses.

not infancy i am curing incurable with my silver bullet,people dont want to listen,death is what waiting...............simply

people are trying to bite me on this site.........i have being even ridiculed,

let us see ...................who will survive..................

it kills viruses for many reasons

we cant kill viruses,we deactivate them , silver can have a very strong catalytic action,on rna and dna as well,while leaving human cells unharmed

Ok lets say for kicks its true. How in the world would a person get or create nonoparticle silver?

Whats the odds even if it did work that it could be mass produced and distributed in time?

exactly how big is 1-10 nanometers?

Very, Very Early Research in Vitro.

Interaction of silver nanoparticles with HIV-1.

Department of Chemical Engineering, The University of Texas, Austin, Texas 78712, USA. josee@che.utexas.edu

The interaction of nanoparticles with biomolecules and microorganisms is an expanding field of research. Within this field, an area that has been largely unexplored is the interaction of metal nanoparticles with viruses. In this work, we demonstrate that silver nanoparticles undergo a size-dependent interaction with HIV-1, with nanoparticles exclusively in the range of 1-10 nm attached to the virus. The regular spatial arrangement of the attached nanoparticles, the center-to-center distance between nanoparticles, and the fact that the exposed sulfur-bearing residues of the glycoprotein knobs would be attractive sites for nanoparticle interaction suggest that silver nanoparticles interact with the HIV-1 virus via preferential binding to the gp120 glycoprotein knobs. Due to this interaction, silver nanoparticles inhibit the virus from binding to host cells, as demonstrated in vitro.

PMID: 15987516 [PubMed]

What do you mean by millions of that solution?

Nano silver particle drink

Are you in this industry (Nano)

http://www.samsung.com/ph/presscenter/samsunginthephilippines/productnews_20040608_0000058341.asp - http://www.samsung.com/ph/presscenter/samsunginthephilippine s/productnews_20040608_0000058341.asp

and tell me please it is in its infancy,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,wake up sleepy people

I am aware that this can help you; I have this entry in my book:

Colloidal Silver: Promotes healing and helps destroy viral infections: Follow the directions very carefully according to the label, this can cause in a few cases your skin to develop a bluish cast!

• Avoid if taking: Methylopa (Aldomet), Norfloxacin (Noroxin), Ofloxacin (Ocuflox, Floxin), Penicillamine (cuprimine), Tetracyclines (Sumycin), Thyroid Drugs

I have read similar articles on colloidal silver, but there never seems to be exact info on what they mean by ultrfine or some other non-defined measuring system. The previous post states (1-10 nano-meters) as the size required to be effective.

So what is the product??

ok,we have microns and nanometer.

nano is 1000 smaller than a micron.

my solution consist of nanoparticules and ions,the smallest particules availlable

http://www.pfonline.com/articles/020401.html - http://www.pfonline.com/articles/020401.html

i can be a pain in the ass. or a stupid ,or a genius.............it  is up to you

it is good,

but do you have the right dosage

,the right volumes

,the right particule size

the right ,charge ,,,positive and negative ones

the right concentration....................

super duper you said................... mine is a super bullet.

 i would say a big yes

well let us see that.....

biophysica..............not so bad,,,,,,,,,,,,what is the concentration

you smell good tonight and you seem to be polite..........

i ask for an official excuse before answering

waiting for an apology.....................

the price is 22usx12 =264 usd

plus shipping and handling

More info please

ok fafhred it is a crude machine it will save you ,but dont over use  it,i mean since we dont know the concentration or the particule size,be sure touse distilled water,important.......

prepare some batches as soon as you feel the need

,they dont tellyou the concentration .........bizarre

ARRRGGGG... this is a repeat at attempting to post this....

Ladies and Gentlemen,

While I grasp at wisps of smoke if I even have a hint of potential benefit, PLEASE keep in mind that there is a GALAXSY of difference between in vitro and in vivo ( in a dish and in a living body).

Virusil, you still haven't proven your case ( for me anyway) but please keep trying to educate us, I am willing to be enlightened.

SZ

Where is this liquid coming from

What is the concentration of silver

What are the particle sizes

What is the dosage recomendation

Is this a FDA approved Liquid

Virusil,

I really don't want to fight about this and I feel that sometimes I am a bit hard on your "silver bullet" because I know you just want to help us, and I truly do appreciate that.

But Lysol kills virus in vitro too, that doesn't mean I'm gonna drink it and that it will work to kill virus lodged in my lungs.

I'm sorry, I just don't see how one equals the other when it comes to proving the benefits of colloidal silver.  I understand that some people swear by it, and bless them for it.  There are those that discount some of my theories of treatment.  Each person is responsible for doing the research and making the decisions based on best available information in regards to their personal situation.

please dont compare lysol to my solution,

i can put my solution in my eyes ,and surely i cant put the lysol in my eyes,dont mix apples with oranges,i repeat from my practice that silver will save you,nothing under this sun works like it,and it will never be common to the people because they are controlling everything,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you dont see it because younever used it,i did on thousands and thousands of people,and i saw the results,and i am always amazed.....................

let me tell you something,

samsung devellopped those product and even you didnt think that home appliances is already done using silver,the problem with americans that they feel that they are right all the time....wrong most of the time you are.sophia i myself admire you because you are open to learn ,i have to admit it.if everybody was like you ...................but it is not the case.

exemple if you gave me a picasso which worth millions i will not put it in my bed room,,,,,,,,,,,,,style,preferences,,,,,are there,

but truth is truth.

 as well silver is the silver bullet,God permit this expression to stay with us for a purpose......and if youuse your spiritual eye you will understand what i say

so i have a dead dancing baby

since there is no excuse comin......................

Hello,

I grew up on an organic farm and my mother is a natural homeopath and a registered nurse.  She and others including myself believe that one natural anti-viral agent is Colloidal Silver.   Through out my childhood and to this day we as a family have taken it and we believe it has helped us be healthier than your average person.   I do not have the scientific methodology to back up my statements.  I posted this in the natural anti-viral section when i first joined this forum.  I know that this may seem strange but I stand by my own experience.  I highly recommend and believe it is up to the individual to do their own research.  There is little medical evidence using current scientific methodology.  But as the great philosopher John Ralston Saul argued common sense should supersede scientific rationalism.   Scientific rationalism to a large extent is pushed by our free market economy and the concentration of capital.  Therefore, my conspiracy/coincidence theory "spider sense" goes off when it comes to Colloidal Silver verses the pharmaceutical movement.  A common agent that can be made with a device that anyone can purchase as our friend "fafhrd" pointed out in the post above.  This whole piece I write is opinion with a great deal of practical experience on better living.  My 2 cents.

Dejuan

this is news this is knoweledge,not stupid dancing around spreading hate and whatever....................

next to silver,

 prepare water,food,ammo,and love,and prayers to othersevery person informed,is a person saved.

as for you dancing baby,............take tamiflu

we do have common ancestors........adam and eve...................but this is not enough to give it to you free,nope,

 specially that you are impolite and dancing,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

i repeat take tamiflu

Flureadynow,

I am a rational person.  I believe you are as well.  Others however, believe passion is the key.  I have to admit virusil appears to me (so far) to be a soul that lives on the fringes of society.  No disrespect intended virusil my parents are living examples.  The issue at hand is that rational people want and need evidence before jumping off the cliff.  I do not blame them.  Virusil I have a recommendation.  Don't mix apples and Oranges.  You may be a millionaire.  I am not here to dispute that.  You want respect. Tell the truth.  You can't back up your practical experiences with scientific methodology.  It is that easy.  Diplomacy.  In the end I leave with this argument to all non believers.  If you can afford to by the machine to make Colloidal Silver.  What the hell do you have to lose.  It's not like all of us haven't made dumb purchases in our lives before.  But...if this is a means to fend off H5N1 won't you be the big man on campus. My 4 cent's

Dejuan 

I moved the thread to Alternative Medicine.

Virusil, I have asked you before to restrict your posts about CS to alt. med.

SZ

every time thati talk about serious saving post i am removed,i am done with this ,no post any more

Virusil,

Play nice or don't play.  You are dangerously close to having this thread banished to the Members Only room.

We have rules of civility on the main forum floor.

SophiaZoe

Hey,

Virusil.  Sophia is a moderator.  Which means she is the boss.  For what I can see she has been fair.  Your posts in some ways could be construed as inflammatory.  I have been trying to moderate all side of this topic.  Please do not flame Sophia she is just doing her job.

Thank-you,

Dejuan

Virusil,

As much as I hate to admit it, I don't read every single post on the board.  There are just too many these days.  If you are personally attacked by another member please PM me or any of the Assistant Moderators to look into your grievance.  If you would like to direct me to the offending post by FRN I will be happy to look at it.

This thread caught my attention tonight about halfway down its evolution.

SophiaZoe

Look Virusil,

I have no doubt the you posses a great deal of knowledge.  With that knowledge has to come confidence.  FluReadyNow has an opinion.  So do you.  If his or her (FluReadyNow's) construction of reality is limited to the scientific ration paradigm then you can only communicate with logic and rationalism.  When you say " take Donald rumsfield tamiflu" that could be construed as an insult to some people.  I think I know what you are implying.  But, innuendo can only take you so far.  I do not want you to leave this forum.  I agree with other members you possess knowledge that could be critical to the salvation of many people.  I suggest this.  When this bug break out.  Start doing field research.  Test your product when SHTF.  You have the capacity to save lives.  I am not here to hurt but in short give more of my 2 cents.  My main beef is you are flaming Sophie.  She is not your enemy.  She works dam hard to make this forum work.  Respectfully,

Dejuan

flureadynow was posting after eachof my post ,ridiculing me all the way ,every time,and since i post those post today he did the same thing,my point is to help.if this is too much for you,i can understand.

but if he do it again i will inform you for sure,listen i am not a child ..and dont expect to be treated like in a school,you know what i mean, i have being contributing to important info,and bam bam all the time.it doesnt stop.

plus your moving to alternative medicine thing, no body will read such important saving stuff,

like once i put the iranian site,speaking about silver,albert said to me funny joke.....this is not a joke,cant you get it.

Virusil,

I will.  And have.  Those that do not will when it breaks out.  I am sure of that.

Dejuan

silver was tested,on anthrax,for years iworked with it,i dont give the fda  one cent,and every person that still go with the ego thing will perish.that will leave  a lot of space,and peace,but good hearted people will die because of this,and this is the only thing that can save  you

and thank you de juan again.

Virusil & FluReadyNow,

I re-read the thread.  I see nothing untoward about FRN's posts... in fact I was a part of that thread as well. 

My take here... we have someone who is communicating with a second language English.  There is some room for cutting Virusil a BIT of slack because of it. 

HOWEVER.... Virusil, I find you to be the aggressor over and over again.  I find nothing wrong with what FRN asked of you.  I have been asked the same and worse and a lot more aggressively about some of the treatments I have brought to the board.  Virusil, you want to see abuse, read the OTC Meds thread... I was scalded numerous times.  When you have a theory or opinion and you place it on the board for member consumption you MUST expect it to be challenged.  If you can't stand up to the challenge.... keep your theories and ideas to your self.

SophiaZoe

Virusil,  you are trying my patience... it isn't unlimited, in case you didn't know.

Did you provide me a link or quote to an offending post or thread?  FRN provided a link for me to review, which I dutifully did.  You, however, have not provided one.  I'm sorry... I'm not going on a hunting expedition for anything that might have offended you.  Provide it or move on.

SophiaZoe

http://www.pfonline.com/articles/020401.html - http://www.pfonline.com/articles/020401.html

it is here to see how i was gentle .

let us see the judgment over this

1) Virusil, you still have not provided a link or quote to an offending post by FRN.

2) The 2nd thread that FRN posted was reviewed and once again, I find Virusil to be the aggressor.

Virusil, time is running out for this go-round... it's 1:15am where I'm at and I have to go to work in the morning.  But I am loath to leave you until you have had every opportunity to air YOUR grievance.  Once again I ask you to put up or move on.  TICK TOCK.

SophiaZoe

http://www.superflutalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=2609&PN=1 - http://www.superflutalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=2609&PN= 1

if youcan see this one judge it,how even he attacked the ditilled water thing,as it is see it and judge

water is important,

FRN disputed your theory, as is his/her right.  There was no abuse to the refutation.  Dispute is not abuse.

I'm going to bed now.

Good night.

Carverhomeopath. . . maybe this is a dumb question but how would a homeopath know what is most effective for each individual?   I believe strongly in vitamins and herbs in fact they have helped me very much in the past after I was ill and they knew what to prescribe but I'm not quite sure since they don't know what we're dealing with how seeing one now woudl be beneficial against the Bird Flu?  Thanks for your help!