Obama Ratings at an all time low
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Posted By: Medclinician2013
Subject: Obama Ratings at an all time low
Date Posted: October 24 2013 at 9:41am
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There have been reports that President Obama has now dropped into the 30s in terms of the his rating with the American people. I did find one sources which has him at 30% approval and 64% disapproval. The listing disappear from CNN network news. How ever there are links which clearly show he has tumbled- and these are current. This link has been redirected. This is not the original link and the content has been altered. In a new development, and what seems to be a trend, Obama approval http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/10/09/media-fail-obama-approval-drops-to37 - ratings have slipped dramatically. This time, to an all time low of 37%, while his disapproval rating is at an all time high of 53% Nothing is really coming out of the White House that is especially promising or concrete. The recent fiasco at the website and poor organization may stop Obamacare without a vote. It simply may not be possible to implement health care to 60,000,000 people which would overload the medical facilities in a matter of weeks. Foreign policy in Syria is a disaster in the last few days with all out war, bombings, and absolutely no action by America to even do anything but supply arms to the terrorist Al Queda rebels. Israeli war planes are at war in Syria. http://beforeitsnews.com/global-unrest/2013/10/report-israeli-warplanes-bomb-shipment-of-advanced-missiles-in-syria-heading-to-hezbollah-2456884.html - http://beforeitsnews.com/global-unrest/2013/10/report-israeli-warplanes-bomb-shipment-of-advanced-missiles-in-syria-heading-to-hezbollah-2456884.html This is reaching a point of "while Nero fiddled Rome burned." http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/fiddle+while+Rome+burns - http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/fiddle+while+Rome+burns What do these popularity numbers mean? Well Congress, at a 16% approval rating in some polls, has lost the faith of the American people. The recent government shutdown has 60% having no confidence that the economy will improve in the next year. "This is a crying shame" statements by Obama are not in any way productive with no solution to the problem. There is no real plan to help the jobless and reopening the government has simply kicked the can down the road or a month or so. The budget fight, which I was watching live feed in Congress is not going well at all. So back to the theme here: Other presidents who were even impeach had better ratings that Obama near the end. Nixon's surge in approval evaporated almost as quickly as it appeared. The relentless uncovering of damaging information about the Watergate scandal through the spring and summer of 1973 led to a steady deterioration in public approval of Nixon month by month. By May, Nixon's rating had dropped to 44%, and by August, it was at 31% -- representing a 36% drop in about six months. (A year later, in August 1974 when he resigned from office, Nixon's rating was 24%) Ronald Reagan was the second president in recent history to see his public image damaged by a scandal, but the impact of the Iran-Contra revelations was both more immediate and ultimately less severe than was Watergate for Nixon. The facts surrounding Iran-Contra became public in November 1986. Reagan's job approval fell from 63% in October 1986 to 47% in December, and ultimately to 43% by March 1987 - representing a 20% point decline in about five months. Conclusion: Once the ratings are in the 30s there is a serious problem with the faith of the American people. Blows to come- a possible second shutdown of the government, the failure of Obamacare, and a bad Christmas season could lead to a disaster. ------------- Medclinician - not if but when - original |
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Posted By: Turboguy
Date Posted: October 25 2013 at 12:33am
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0bamacare is an utter disaster, all the scams and corruption are finally coming to the forefront, and the media, which has been 100% in his corner for the last seven years, have finally started actually asking difficult questions. When even the official mouthpiece of the 0bama Administration, MSNBC, has called them out and out liars. Zer0 is a catastrophe. Calling his greatest accomplishment a disaster is being nice. His foreign policy is easily the worst of all Presidents and that includes G.W., because at least we knew what we were dealing with, and love him or hate him, he treated the bad guys bad. It's time for Zer0 to go so he can't do any further damage to the country. ------------- Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views. - William F. Buckley |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: October 25 2013 at 12:33pm
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That's hilarious Does it make you feel like a big man to belittle the president. I haven't been reading here long but wow turbo-whatever you are one of the most offensive people online I have ever seen. Do you walk around calling people idiots, dumbass, and zero in your everyday life You need to consider anger management classes before you go off for real Everyone needs help from time to time |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: October 25 2013 at 9:11pm
| The latest ZerO has to deal with is Europe waking up to all of the clandestine surveillance. Germany sending ambassador level diplomats to discuss why the US is monitoring Merkel's cell phone. Hey - - guess what's 60 Minutes this week? A report on Benghazi ! ! ! Could it be that the press is getting fed up too? Stay tuned - - I'm sure there will be more. |
Posted By: Turboguy
Date Posted: October 25 2013 at 11:29pm
And you should be the first in line for the mental illness called Liberalism. Oh, so now I'm supposed to pity the worthless piece of drek and feel bad for saying that literally the greatest catastrophe to ever befall the United States has a name: 0bama? Are you serious? I can only imagine the garbage that came from you when G.W. was in office. Zer0 is a bad president. Why can't you just go ahead and admit it? And you're not sneaky. I can see your IP. You should honestly stick to a single username. Do I call people idiots, dumbasses, and Zer0 in reality? You betcha. If they're being idiots, dumbasses, and their net worth to society is Zer0, I'll call them Zer0. And you know what, if I ever met you, I'd tell you that you too are are an idiot and a dumbass if you actually believe that this catastrophe of a president or any of his disastrous policies or edicts are anything but bad for this country. Am I angry that a community organizer who had zero prior experience in politics and leadership was elected for little more than his skills at reading a teleprompter? You bet I am. Am I mad that in as little as five years of presidency this coward's biggest accomplishment is running up more debt than all the rest of the presidents combined? Yup. Am I mad that the guy that screamed transparency has thus far been the least transparent and the most corrupt? And that includes in comparison to Bush and Clinton which is a true achievement? Yup. And finally, am I mad that this girlieman has done more damage to the country I've fought and bled for than any of our enemies could have up to and including by setting off a hydrogen bomb on a major metropolitan area? You God damned right I'm mad. But that doesn't make me and my points that he's a catastrophe any less wrong, and anything you stand for any more right. And let your butthurt flow over the fact that even your most precious liberal media has all but turned on him. Zer0 is so bad of a president that they're not even trying to defend him anymore. ------------- Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views. - William F. Buckley |
Laughing guest wrote:Posted By: Medclinician2013
Date Posted: October 27 2013 at 11:39am
There is a misconception that posting events and realities is an emotional thing intended to belittle anyone. It is non-partisan and simple that massive damage was done more to the American people and our allies than the actual terrorists stopped. The revelation of facts show what three other members of intelligence tried to do through "the proper channels" could only be done by a rogue subcontractor giving the data to the media. No data has been given or ever will be given to the Russians. Snowden gave all of his documents to the media and therefore has nothing to give the Russians or anyone else. By one source this event i.e. Snowden whistle blowing, has been labeled the most serious security breach in American Intelligence history. http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/snowden-s-leaks-most-serious-in-us-history/article1-1140967.aspx" rel="nofollow - http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/snowden-s-leaks-most-serious-in-us-history/article1-1140967.aspx Despite statements of the necessity of the entire intelligence project, as it evolved, it reached hugely invasive and monitored the majority of phone conversations and email on the Internet. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_surveillance" rel="nofollow - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_surveillance Is it possible the the president did not know about what was going on until this week? We http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/08/15/remember-when-obama-said-the-nsa-wasnt-actually-abusing-its-powers-he-was-wrong/" rel="nofollow - now know that President Obama's assurances that the NSA wasn't "actually abusing" its surveillance programs are untrue. A http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nsa-broke-privacy-rules-thousands-of-times-per-year-audit-finds/2013/08/15/3310e554-05ca-11e3-a07f-49ddc7417125_story.html" rel="nofollow - leaked audit shows the NSA violated its own privacy rules, and in some cases the law, thousands of times over a one-year period. A lot of people are assuming this means the president was lying — that he's known about the scale of the NSA's privacy problems all along and was trying to mislead the public. But there's another possibility that could be even more troubling: He might not have known about the extent of the NSA's privacy problems until this week. It's not as far-fetched as it sounds. We know that Diane Feinstein (D-Calif.), the chairwoman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, only learned about the NSA privacy audit when The Washington Post asked her staff about it. And the chief judge of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court has http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/court-ability-to-police-us-spying-program-limited/2013/08/15/4a8c8c44-05cd-11e3-a07f-49ddc7417125_story.html?hpid=z1" rel="nofollow - admitted that the court has limited ability to police NSA misconduct. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/08/16/did-president-obama-know-about-the-nsas-privacy-problems/" rel="nofollow - http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/08/16/did-president-obama-know-about-the-nsas-privacy-problems/ The Polls are terribly flawed and as the media, sometimes does samples of a few hundred people from hand picked areas. Also they count the voters only, which is to say, Americans who don't vote don't count. In some of the last polls which were posted from other sources, approval ratings are reported in the high 30s percentile. Conclusion: This is bad. There appears there can be no announcement possible from the administration at this point, which is going to improve no only the President's approval rates, much less Congress and Senators. Our Congregational leaders now have an appalling lack of faith and a rating of 16% of Americans from an independent survey done by PBS. Only 16 percent of those surveyed approved of the job Congress is doing, tying an all-time low in this poll's 17-year history; 75 percent disapproved. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/july-dec06/congress_10-19.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/july-dec06/congress_10-19.html Medclinician http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/snowden-s-leaks-most-serious-in-us-history/article1-1140967.aspx" rel="nofollow - ------------- Medclinician - not if but when - original |
Posted By: Elver
Date Posted: October 27 2013 at 9:50pm
| NEWS FLASH! They've been monitoring our phone calls for the past 30 years! |
Posted By: Medclinician2013
Date Posted: October 28 2013 at 9:26am
This post made me aware that I should start a new thread showing the difference between monitoring phone calls and a massive facility to store information while pulling data off main data flow trunk lines and integrating them into a new database. The essence of this is that "probable cause" is the justification for legal search and seizure. Now that cyber data exceeds physical records and it can be collected, stored (seized), without probable cause or reasonable accountable reasons why an innocent civilian is targeted and loses their right to privacy. Accountability- "the right hand knowing what the left hand is doing" - has been seriously breached in not sharing information with the Executive, Congressional, and Judiciary branches to the extent they have no idea what has been going on in some cases for a decade. ------------- Medclinician - not if but when - original |
Posted By: Medclinician2013
Date Posted: November 02 2013 at 7:44am
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It is sad really and difficult for Americans as we enter the holiday season. Perhaps there are not a lot of comments because we live in an era where all the promises have not been fulfilled and we are no longer the superstars of Europe and Latin American. Once as I traveled to Mexico and Europe we were still with the "rico Americanos" fueled the tourist industries and were admired, though sometimes hated, for our successful democracy and economy. The brighter side is that nothing is as sure as change and now that facts are coming out and we live in a time where 80% of Americans at least are more politically informed than the generations before them. The story continues as the ratings continue to drop. http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/01/opinion/obeidallah-obamas-next-act/index.html?hpt=hp_t4" rel="nofollow - http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/01/opinion/obeidallah-obamas-next-act/index.html?hpt=hp_t4 Medclinician ------------- Medclinician - not if but when - original |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 02 2013 at 11:31am
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So a law designed to cover the uninsured is now throwing far more people off their insurance than it can possibly be signing up on the http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/health_care/medicare-chief-tavenner-faces-lawmakers-questions-over-botched-health-overhaul-rollout/2013/10/29/715117ba-4069-11e3-b028-de922d7a3f47_story. - nonfunctioning insurance exchanges. Indeed, http://www.washingtonpost.comational/health-science/irs-offers-hint-at-how-many-americans-have-been-able-to-use-healthcaregov-successfully/2013/10/26/a0b93f4e-3e54-11e3-a94f-b58017bfee6c_story. - most of the 19 million people with individual insurance will have to find new and likely more expensive coverage. And that doesn’t even include the additional millions who are sure to lose their employer-provided coverage. That’s a lot of people. That’s a pretty big lie.
But perhaps Obama didn’t know. Maybe the bystander president was as surprised by this as he claims to have been by the http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/federal-eye/wp/2013/07/17/irs-chief-counsel-involved-in-targeting-controversy/ - IRS scandal, the Associated Press and James Rosen phone logs, the failure of the Obamacare Web site, the premeditation of the Benghazi attacks, the http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/american-allies-knew-about-spying-but-not-sheer-amount-lets-be-honest-we-eavesdrop-too/2013/10/23/0e2d91ee-3bdd-11e3-b0e7-716179a2c2c7_story. - tapping of Angela Merkel’s phone — i.e., the workings of the federal government of which he is the nominal head. |
Posted By: Satori
Date Posted: November 02 2013 at 12:32pm
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friends in high places Top Obama Donor Gets Paid To Fix Obamacare Website After Blowing It Up http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-11-02/top-obama-donor-gets-paid-fix-obamacare-website-after-blowing-it |
Posted By: Lakeman2
Date Posted: November 02 2013 at 8:25pm
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There is no reason to apologize for being angry at a president who lied millions of Americans into following him and his policies which are the worst things to have happened to America for a long long time. While belittling him feels good he will be gone soon and his partners in crime will pick up with a new leader. The American people must not be allowed to forget that there were hundreds of Democrats and a bunch of republicans who cooperated with these catastrophes. Every chance we get we must be placing the blame for these at the feet of establishment politicians as the shoes fit. |
Posted By: rickster58
Date Posted: November 03 2013 at 12:19am
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 03 2013 at 10:08am
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I agree his policies have made the recovery worse Federal employment has dropped to below when he took office so he is making the recession worse. http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/CES9091000001 - http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/CES9091000001 He has kept the military headcount steady at 2,300,000 http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/B4280C0A173NBEA - http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/B4280C0A173NBEA Infrastructure spending has dropped even as the slow recovery drags on. http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/A957RX1Q020SBEA - http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/A957RX1Q020SBEA The government has been a headwind to this recovery ever since the Republicans took control of the house of representative. No new spending has been approved. we are still operating on a continuing resolution on spending that was approved in 2010 with only cuts agreed to after. Putting more people out of work and less hiring, will not solve the employment problem. Less investing in science, education, and infrastructure spending will not make the US more competitive. The President should quit worrying about the deficit and start worrying about the long run harm 14 million under employed people is having on the economy. Maybe we need to stop giving people food stamps and instead have government and church run soup kitchens. If people saw 47 million people in food lines, they would see the extent of the problem have a little more compassion. I'm in the top 20% for wealth and income, but if we don't provide opportunity and hope for the poor in this country, the 20% puts our own economic status at risk. I don't want to see desperate people that have nothing to lose outside my door. And I would think people on a flu epidemic website would understand that rational. |
Posted By: Medclinician2013
Date Posted: November 06 2013 at 9:39am
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http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2013/11/05/obamas-approval-rating-plummets-into-the-30s-n1738251 - http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2013/11/05/obamas-approval-rating-plummets-into-the-30s-n1738251 While revelations concerning Affordable Heath Care (Obamacare) are not going to let many people keep their health care plan and in many cases the new one will cost more, the numbers continue to plummet. According to the latest from http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx - Gallup , President Obama's approval rating has plummeted into the 30s as millions of people continue to lose their health insurance. http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2013/10/31/nbcwsj-poll-obama-job-approval-favorable-rating-tanks-to-alltime-low-n1733534 - Last week , an http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/A_Politics/_Today_Stories_Teases/Late_October_NBC_WSJ.pdf - NBC/WSJ poll showed Obama's personal favorability and overall job approval were starting to take a nose dive, dropping eight points from the month before. It is also important to note this hit came before a barrage of insurance cancellation letters hit mailboxes. Obama drops to new nadirs within this polling series on both overall job approval (42/51) and personal favorability (41/45, down from 47/41 in early October).
As the White House continues to deny lying about millions losing
their health insurance after President Obama repeatedly promised for
years that plans could be kept, we can expect this rapid downward trend
to continue. Comment: The 30s (currently at 39%) is a dangerous area and the entire credibility of the current administration as well as the Senate and Congress's ability to pass any useful legislation to stop upcoming disasters in social security, health care, foreign policy disaster in Syria, as well as a break from the United Nations, looks pretty gloomy for the coming holiday season and January 1, 2014. Medclinician ------------- Medclinician - not if but when - original |
Posted By: Satori
Date Posted: November 06 2013 at 12:11pm
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I have the traditional BlueCross/BlueShield insurance no rate increases this year no increase in deductibles benefits were actually expanded some |
Posted By: Medclinician2013
Date Posted: November 13 2013 at 9:25am
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Updating the rather abysmal situation. The Democrats are now working with Republicans to try and create a bill to allow Americans to keep their health care plans and allow some to also pick plans which are not currently "approved" and are below the standards required in the Obamacare legislation. At the same time the approval rating although 39% by this poll are likely to be lower with a wider sampling and more diverse group sampled. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/11/12/poll-obama-approval-ratings-drop-americans-say-hes-not-trustworthy/?hpt=hp_t1 - http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/11/12/poll-obama-approval-ratings-drop-americans-say-hes-not-trustworthy/?hpt=hp_t1 Nothing is quite as sure as change. http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/mamasandthepapas/lookthroughmywindow.html - http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/mamasandthepapas/lookthroughmywindow.html If nothing else, driven by votes, Congress and the Senate may face some real upsets if they do not get it together and at least try the fix the Obamacare disaster. There should be a vote by this Friday. Washington (CNN) -- Congressional Democrats are upping the pressure on President Barack Obama to fix what's ailing his signature health care initiative with some in the party warning they may be forced to back a House Republican proposal if the White House doesn't offer an alternative by week's end. "We've got to get out of the bunker and fix these problems," a senior congressional Democratic source told CNN's Chief Congressional Correspondent Dana Bash of flaws in the newly rolled out law that have energized Republican efforts to weaken the President and his allies and derail a policy they have long considered unworkable. The White House has until Friday to devise a solution to the problem-plagued roll out of the Affordable Care Act, the source said. http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/12/politics/obamacare/index.html?hpt=hp_t2 - http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/12/politics/obamacare/index.html?hpt=hp_t2 ------------- Medclinician - not if but when - original |
Posted By: Turboguy
Date Posted: November 15 2013 at 8:24am
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This ACA failure really is epic (overused word these days, I know) in the delivery of a comeuppance. And the noose is tightening for Obama (Pardon any inadvertent lynching imagery, Chris Matthews & co.) There is no getting out of this. And the news about the law gets worse and worse. Suggesting that it's just the website problem is pure denial. Its becoming painfully evident that the subsidies scheme requires millions of the already insured to be dumped into the exchanges. And once they learn that the new insurance being forced on them is more expensive in order to cover those who cannot afford to pay (or for those who lie about their finances in order to fraudulently receive benefits), the middle class is going to be increasing incensed! Millions of seniors are losing their Medicare Advantage. Because MA is administered by insurance companies with federal backing, the insurance companies can cancel these policies. Then the individual market plans are being cancelled daily. Then you see these reports of a million people in California alone, losing their insurance. Employer based plans will be hit next. And those who don't see those plans cancelled are going to see them taxed at a very high rate. And unlike past Obama scandals, where you had to go to the National Review or the WSJ to read about it, this news is being reported on CNN, MSNBC, etc. No cover for Obama there. Every single escape hatch that Obama used with other scandals is locked tight here. No escape! Can't blame "low level employees" like they did with the IRS scandal. Can't blame a video or a protest like they did with Benghazi. Can't blame the chaos of a civil war either. Can't deny knowledge of it, like they did with Fast & Furious. Can't claim it's really working (like they do with the economy) because the news is so bad. Can't blame the GOP, like they do with the lousy economy. Not one republican voted for it. Can't blame Halliburton, the Koch brothers, the Tea Party, Bush, Cheney unnamed right-wing extremists or Wall Street. The one thing that you can count on Obama doing a lot more of - with little promise of results - is to more vigorously attack the insurance industry. But the damage is so deep - and not only to his personal credibility, but to the whole notion that government can fix things and provide for people. Thank you Jesus! This is the crash and burn of Obama AND liberalism! Awesome! ------------- Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views. - William F. Buckley |
Posted By: Mahshadin
Date Posted: November 16 2013 at 7:02am
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Man Alive That is the biggest pile of BullShip I have ever heard (Shame OnYou TG) ------------- "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." G Orwell |
Posted By: DANNYKELLEY
Date Posted: November 16 2013 at 7:45am
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Bs yes but true ------------- WHAT TO DO???? |
Posted By: Medclinician2013
Date Posted: November 16 2013 at 10:42am
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Obama's legacy is on the line. http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/politics/2013/11/15/exp-lead-politics-panel-obamacare-confidence-crisis.cnn.html%20 - http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/politics/2013/11/15/exp-lead-politics-panel-obamacare-confidence-crisis.cnn.html The Upton Bill was passed by Congress, but it is a doomed piece of legislation. It will not pass the Senate and President Obama stately flatly he would veto it. It is significant because some spooked Democrats in the house are crossing party lines, and a significant number voted yes on the bill. That legislation, sponsored by U.S. Rep. Fred Upton, a St. Joseph Republican, and passed 261-157 with 12 members not voting, has little chance of moving forward, with Obama threatening a veto and the Democratic-led Senate opposed. But what may be more significant is that 39 House Democrats supported it, including U.S. Rep. Gary Peters of Bloomfield Township. That suggests even members of the president’s own party believe he must do more to satisfy Americans who feel misled by assurances that they could keep their insurance under the ACA if they wished. http://www.freep.com/article/20131115/NEWS06/311150103/Congressman-Upton-s-health-insurance-bill-passed-by-House-doomed-fail - http://www.freep.com/article/20131115/NEWS06/311150103/Congressman-Upton-s-health-insurance-bill-passed-by-House-doomed-fail Yet in one article name "Obamacare - now what?" echoes a sentiment which seems to be growing. It is unavoidable. The concerns for veterans are no longer a concern. The fact that even the Upton legislation would drive up premiums which are going to ruin millions of people, is not being addressed anymore. Conclusion: The one step too far, which infuriated millions, was a bold faced untruth which was recorded hundreds of times this was stated on camera and then changed overnight. The ACA was not read by the majority of legislators who signed the bill. Few even knew what was in it. For those of us who did read it, and it was available online- if implemented it could bury the chances of good medical care for a great number of poor or elderly Americans. We kick the can once more and push the fight into the future. With flu season rapidly moving across the U.S. this is the worst time ever- to be battling over health care. Medclinician ------------- Medclinician - not if but when - original |
Posted By: Turboguy
Date Posted: November 16 2013 at 4:02pm
 Truth hurts huh? It's cool. Your way has failed. Liberalism itself is the very definition of failure and it's on display for all to see. Zer0 is hands down the worst disaster to ever befall our country and the proof is hitting all of us, even you, right in the pocketbook. Bush lied and people died. 0bama lied and we all had to pay three times as much for health insurance, and people died, we suspended the Constitutional balance of Power and our President was openly mocked on the international stage because he is such an inept fool. I'm still waiting for you to admit that 0bama is a complete and utter failure. Even other Democrats are jumping ship because they see the writing on the wall. Zer0 is radioactive. ------------- Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views. - William F. Buckley |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 16 2013 at 6:18pm
| Not BS - - Truth. Wonder what Zero will do next to hurt people? |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 16 2013 at 7:41pm
| So here we are trying to plan how to deal with something that could be greater than the 1918/19 epidemics and how is Obama helping - - push and backing a law that cancels health care insurance for five million people (and counting). When the SHTF and those people who lost coverage and are being turned away from health care, it will be to late. The AHC debacle must be cleaned up NOW - - the counts for MERS and H7N9 will not take a time out for Obama to get his act together. |
Posted By: jacksdad
Date Posted: November 17 2013 at 6:21pm
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Oh Jeez. I was going to stay out of this, because A - we have two
viruses with pandemic potential that concern me more (four if you count
the reemergence of H5N1 in Cambodia, and H6N1 showing up in humans for
the first time in Taiwan), and B - I got seriously bored with the
pointless back and forth on here over the ACA. Pointless? Absolutely. Let's get real - while I vehemently defend everyone's right to voice an opinion, and hope that they feel comfortable in doing so here on AFT, the truth is that while we're endlessly debating the pros and cons of Obamacare - or "assailing" and "squealing" as any deviation from the world according to TG is now characterized - we're not doing so as lawmakers, but as a bunch of preppers on an internet forum. Little, itty-bitty voices in the immensity of cyberspace making no difference whatsoever in the real world. We can bleat all we like, but unless you have a superiority complex that causes you to vastly overestimate your influence within government circles, you surely have to know that all the time you invest/waste on this argument goes nowhere because there isn't anyone that can make a difference listening. Just us. Yes, the ACA roll out has been horrible. Yes, the ball was dropped quite a few times. Yes, I wish the administration had done a better job beforehand, instead of relying on damage control after the fact. And yep, an eighth grade computer class could have built a better website, and multiple backsides need to be kicked over that one. But is the ACA now dead in the water and doomed to failure after six weeks? You wish. Despite every attempt to derail it, it's still the law and at this point everyone needs to put their big boy pants on and suck it up. The GOP made no meaningful contributions other than to try to kill it over and over again, and now their attitude seems to be "you didn't do it right - while we sat on our hands and tried to trip you". Well, what a surprise. And yes, I do lay some serious blame at the feet of the misinformation machine, of which Faux News, the Tea party/GOP, and the Koch boys are a major part, for muddying the water unnecessarily. Dubya does get a pass on that one though, but not Dick Cheney - but that's just because I don't particularly like him  Lest we forget, back in September 2009 a Harvard Medical School study found that a lack of coverage "...can be tied to about 45,000 deaths a year in the United States". If that's accurate, it's more than 5 men, women and children dying needlessly every hour because they didn't have access to healthcare. Please, someone explain to me how that is acceptable in modern day America, and more importantly, why would people feel so justified in fighting to keep in place a system that so unfairly penalized the most disadvantaged members of their own society, including children? Med - you talked about "the fact that even the Upton legislation would drive up premiums which are going to ruin millions of people", but medical bills are already the leading cause of bankruptcy in the US, resulting in a whopping 60% of all filings. How much worse are you expecting it to get? And with regards to the "death panels" you mentioned in another thread, everyone seems to have conveniently forgotten that we've already been living in their shadow for years in the form of insurance plan administrators. One of the reasons that the US healthcare system had such bloated non-medical costs was because it was so top heavy with bureaucrats who's only function was to sniff out a reason to deny or restrict care. Seawolfe - as depressing as it is to contemplate, in truth there is no healthcare system anywhere in the world that would be effective in a major pandemic approximating 1918, or worse. For years, experts have been saying the US system was woefully unprepared. The first twenty serious cases showing up at each hospital would already be too much for the respirators and ICU beds on hand, let alone the next thousand. Or ten thousand. Any way you slice it, we'd be on our own. Prep on, buddy. "0bama lied and we all had to pay three times as much for health insurance, and people died". Say what? TG - if somebody else had offered up anything quite that outlandish as fact, you'd have been up their you-know-what so fast and so hard that you'd be tickling the back of their throat with your nose hair. Really, dude? And don't put too much stock in a few Dems voting with Upton, as many of them have closely contested elections approaching in their own constituencies, making it a politically expedient move. Or it's a mass exodus. Whatever helps you sleep at night. ------------- "Buy it cheap. Stack it deep" "Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary. |
Posted By: Turboguy
Date Posted: November 18 2013 at 5:59pm
This is the General Discussion. If you want to talk about flu, there's a forum for that.
So let me get this crystal clear straight: Obama lied time and
again about the 0bamacare rollout, how we'd all be able to keep our
insurance, and basically every single liberal pipedream possible was fit
into one bill that we absolutely had to pass to find out exactly what
was in it, and the Republicans should have done something about it? I
hate to be the realist here, but the Democrats had a unfilibusterable
majority and were foaming at the mouth to use it to do as much damage as
possible to our country.
Even if the Republicans had wanted to make any positive change to
the bill, they would have been ignored. So a bill that was dreamt up by
Socialist/Communist Democrats, was filled with Socialist/COmmunist ideas
by Democrats, and passed by only Socialist/Communist Democrats and the
fact that Socialist/Communist ideas don't work, and never have worked is
the Republican's fault.
Got it.
Oh F-ing PRICELESS! So instead of insuring everyone, we're going to
insure those who produce nothing. Absolutely nothing while we
kick those who *DO* produce off, and make insurance unaffordable for
them? Good thinking. Penalize those who are dragging the cart instead of
those who are riding. Way to make the system economically viable. Good
thinking.
 Whether you'd like to admit it or not, you can have nothing, be
absolutely penniless, and go to the hospital and get care. Right now.
Seriously, try it. You don't have to pay the bill. They're required to
give you care. You can sling as many red herrings as you want.
So we should go ahead and put political bureaucrats into the systems too?
No, I spoke true.
Many, if not most people who are being kicked off their insurance
plans *MUST* pay upwards of two to three times what they were previously
paying just for the system to remain solvent. That's math.
How many people had to die for Zer0's political disasters? Fast and
Furious? The man has teh blood of literally thousands on his hands and
he was caught red handed trying to pull off a false flag
operation! Benghazi? How many people diedin that deal? Why aren't they
allowed to testify in front of Congress?
Yep, it's a politically expedient move alright. If the Liberals
hadn't decided to go full unlubed buttsex on the American people, the
politically expedient move would be to vote in lockstep with everything
Zer0 does. The man is absolutely radioactive.
And just you wait until the Employer Mandate kicks in. What we're
seeing now is the *GOOD* parts of the Zer0care law. The "Good" parts
have literally sunk this entire administration. When people who get
their insurance through their employers, AKA the dreaded "Majority,"
start losing theirs or have to pay an extra $5000 or more a year, you
won't be able to get enough money out of Soros and Bloomturd to get Dems
elected for twenty years! ------------- Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views. - William F. Buckley |
Posted By: Mahshadin
Date Posted: November 18 2013 at 7:20pm
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WOW That is some Radical BS Next you'll be pitching us fake insurance You are so polarized in your own little box its not even worth commenting anymore ------------- "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." G Orwell |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 18 2013 at 9:14pm
| Thanks Turboguy. Count Me In |
Posted By: Medclinician2013
Date Posted: November 19 2013 at 9:32am
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http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/bestoftv/2013/11/19/pmt-ann-romney-obama-losing-election.cnn.html - http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/bestoftv/2013/11/19/pmt-ann-romney-obama-losing-election.cnn.html "but the basic credibility is in jeopardy." http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/bestoftv/2013/11/16/exp-whitfield-obama-second-term.cnn.html - http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/bestoftv/2013/11/16/exp-whitfield-obama-second-term.cnn.html "loss of trust." http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/11/19/woman-cited-by-president-as-obamacare-success-story-frustrated-by-sign-up-process/?hpt=hp_t2 - http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/11/19/woman-cited-by-president-as-obamacare-success-story-frustrated-by-sign-up-process/?hpt=hp_t2 While she went on the news almost in tears and with the belief she would receive better health care as she struggled with a son with ADHD her premium has more than doubled from the original figure. The result was a higher quote, which Sanford said was for $390 per month for a "silver" plan with a higher deductible. Still too expensive A cheaper "bronze" plan, Sanford said, came in at $324 per month, but also with a high deductible - also not in her budget. Then another letter from the state exchange with even worse news. "Your household has been determined eligible for a Federal Tax Credit of $0.00 to help cover the cost of your monthly health insurance premium payments," the latest letter said. "I had a good cry," Sanford said about her reaction to the latest news from the state. As a self-employed court reporter, the new quote was simply out of her range. "This is it. I'm not getting insurance," Sanford told CNN. "That's where it stands right now unless they fix it." Comment: The next presidential election will be November 8, 2016. That is approximately 1 year and 10 months more of the current administration. This is a long enough period where if the country does not get on the right path, as of January 1, 2014, our economy's unresolved issues will "hit the fan." Probable saviors for Obama are some fairly unlikely scenarios: 1) Obamacare, which at the very core is dysfunctional is going to somehow magically work despite a bad website and incompetent handling of it. Other obvious facts are that we do not have a strong enough health system to take on new patients which would be many many millions of people and give them health care and new doctor visits. Primary hospitals- many will not accept the insurance because it could break them financially. 2) We are heading into a serious Flu outbreak in the U.S. The last CDC map is not available but it is spreading. So as Health Care is struggling, the system will be hit with a huge number of people with the Flu. As winter in some places is colder and natural disasters i.e. the current wave of super storms leaving many states in devastation in some areas, will continue to sweep across the U.S. with more tornadoes, hurricanes, and several weather. 3) Although several presidents, Clinton and Reagan managed to rebound after huge fiascoes, it is sadly like when one cheats on his wife or woman cheats on her husband. In the former case it was actually cheating. In the second, it is dishonesty and infidelity to the American people. The trust is broken and cannot be regained. Dishonesty is not a working foundation for any relationship- especially the sacred bond between a leader and those which rely on him to take care of them and provide jobs so they can support America. 4) People do have memories. Perhaps, it is thought that over time people will just forget. Well, they have been just forgetting for an entire term and well into the second one for this Administration. The basic balance of the power of the Executive, Congressional, and Judicial branches has been rocked to core. It won't take a memory to remember when they actually are in great hardship, especially the elderly, the poor, and the homeless. I pray every night for our President that God will open his eyes and heart and allow him to find the solutions and go down in history as a truly great man who helped save our country. I think in this case, the reason I pray so much, is because at this point- it will take- a miracle. I am a patriot and more than the leaders - it is the people who have the most power of all- in the end in a Democracy. Medclinician ------------- Medclinician - not if but when - original |
Posted By: Medclinician2013
Date Posted: November 19 2013 at 11:12am
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Another update: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/11/19/support-for-obama-health-law-plummets-in-new-polls/ - http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/11/19/support-for-obama-health-law-plummets-in-new-polls/ ------------- Medclinician - not if but when - original |
Posted By: med'smania
Date Posted: November 19 2013 at 2:57pm
|
QUOTE=DANNYKELLEY]Bs yes but true[/QUOTE]
At least you guys don't have Rob Ford as leader of 4th largest city in North America... Toronto gets a black eye every time he hits the news...What a train wreck...RC ------------- RC has nothing on me! |
Posted By: Johnray1
Date Posted: November 19 2013 at 3:45pm
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If everyone thinks that Obamas rating are low now,just wait and see what happens if all of his plans go through and are implemented. The sad part about this is that this was his plan to start with. He became President to destroy this nation and he does not care what his ratings are if he can get this done.He hates this nation and he always has and the liberal news has kept it covered up for him. My only advice is to buy more beans. In the words of a friend of mine " the nation has already been pushed over the cliff,we are just waiting to hit the bottom" Johnray1 |
Posted By: Elver
Date Posted: November 19 2013 at 3:51pm
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I heard on Fox news today that 60% to 70% of the Obomination software isn't developed yet. They haven't developed the billing, payment to doctors, or the back office software. This software isn't capable of paying the doctors!
Obmination care needs to be delayed or cancelled entirely. I favor cancellation of it.
________________________________________________________________________
To change the subject, Obama removes "under God" when reciting the Gettysburg address. Perhaps "under Allah" would have been more acceptable to him.
http://www.teaparty.org/obama-removes-god-gettysburg-address-30868/ - http://www.teaparty.org/obama-removes-god-gettysburg-address-30868/ |
Posted By: jacksdad
Date Posted: November 19 2013 at 4:11pm
Oh, I know all about that. I'm over there a lot as it happens. Wasn't sure if you knew we had one  ------------- "Buy it cheap. Stack it deep" "Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary. |
Posted By: jacksdad
Date Posted: November 19 2013 at 4:13pm
Every time I hear "Fox" and "news" mentioned together, it always makes me smile ------------- "Buy it cheap. Stack it deep" "Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary. |
Posted By: Turboguy
Date Posted: November 19 2013 at 5:22pm
You mean like 0bamacare? I can't think of a better example of outright lies and deception as 0bamacare is. Yeah, that's probably a good idea. You'd wind up even more embarrassed that you're supporting a catastrophe because of the letter before his name rather than the content of his character or his actions, none of which should align with anything you stand for if you're as intelligent as I believe you are. ------------- Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views. - William F. Buckley |
Posted By: Satori
Date Posted: November 20 2013 at 3:29am
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You mean like 0bamacare? I can't think of a better example of outright lies and deception as 0bamacare is." umm how about the war in Iraq ??? |
Posted By: Turboguy
Date Posted: November 20 2013 at 6:21am
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THe war in Iraq was pretty lame in comparison to 0bamacare, as numerous Republican Guard generals who defected said that the stockpile was in Syria, and now we're all worried about Syria using those same chemical weapons against their own people. Secondly, our troops were exposed to chemical howitzer rounds used as IED's. If there was never anything there, how were those turning up? Furthermore if we came out and said, "Yeah, we found chemical weapons and they're here" we'd have pretty much told them exactly where the stuff is. But nice deflection to Bush who hasn't been in office in six years. I'm honestly surprised that Bush is still coming up. Regardless of whether Bush lied or not, it doesn't make it okay when Zer0 does it. This isn't some kind of moral equivalecy game where we say, "Well the last guy did it!" You're right, the last guy did it *A LOT!* But we've got the same guy that said that his was going to be the most open, honest, and transparent administration in history. It's not. Not by a long shot. If anything, it's the LEAST open, Least Honest, and dead last in transparency. Wasn't it John Stewart that said that? If they're so transparent, why did Zer0 claim executive privilege over Fast and Furious? We all know why, but let's see some transparency. Why are the Benghazi survivors prevented from testifying to congress? We all know exactly why, but how about some integrity and openness? Why did it take THREE YEARS to create a 100% broken website, the centerpiece of 0bamacare, that from the latest reports isn't even 40% complete! In three years we took on the Nazis and whipped the Japanese! Oh, right, we went to one of Zer0's wife (Chewbacca's) former classmate's company in Canada, the same company that had just been fired and listed as persona non grata by the Canadian government where we spend six hundred MILLION dollars for a website that it would have taken five random people from any of the San Francisco Starbucks coffee shops les than a year and for less than a million dollars. ------------- Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views. - William F. Buckley |
Posted By: Medclinician2013
Date Posted: November 20 2013 at 10:26am
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Update- The ratings have dropped into the 30s now and despite awarding Bill Clinton with a medal after one week ago he fired heavy on the President, the numbers are bad and there is a growing loss of support by not only from the people, but Democratic members of the Senate and House. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/11/20/president-and-obamacare-sink-to-new-polling-lows/?hpt=hp_c2 - http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/11/20/president-and-obamacare-sink-to-new-polling-lows/?hpt=hp_c2 Washington (CNN) – It's becoming a daily story: another national poll, another all-time low for President Barack Obama when it comes to his approval rating. Wednesday morning it's CBS News. The President's approval rating stands at 37% in http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57613067/poll-obamacare-support-obama-approval-sink-to-new-lows/ - their new survey ,
plunging nine percentage points since last month–a new low for Obama in
CBS News polling. The President's disapproval rating shot up from 49%
in October to 57% now, a new high. The President's approval rating has now reached new lows or tied his all-time lows in polls released over the past three weeks from CBS News, ABC News/Washington Post, Quinnipiac University, National Journal Heartland Monitor, and NBC News/Wall Street Journal. comment: an apology, however sincere, which does not include any plan or promise of a realistic fix, is but another promise. The launch date of this taking of money in a large sum from many being put on the plan, is in 11 days. note: in response to Jacksdad - over the years the survival of AFT when there just wasn't much Avian, Bird, and other Flu news was its other discussions. Some days there just was no news of significance. Agreed with the outbreak of MERS in China, and further spread, it of course is more important than our political and economic disasters in the U.S. If it spreads widely, all this discussion will be a moot point. Yet, we must have money to prepare. You can gather old bottles, go to food banks, and try and get ready, but without a home and living in the street, there aren't a lot of Prep options left. It is a prep in itself to keep informed and to act and select whatever options as the medical system may collapse and a lot of people with new official cards more than 48 million will present them locked doors or ERs in divert trauma mode. Thank you to the people who are posting their opinions and thoughts and suggestions. "We the people" means We the People. Review the options and stay informed. That is one of the biggest preps of all. Medclinician ------------- Medclinician - not if but when - original |
Posted By: jacksdad
Date Posted: November 20 2013 at 12:15pm
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You didn't specify a time period, TG, so I'd say Satori was totally justified in bringing it up given the sweeping statements you're throwing out there in your posts. Iraq was lame compared to Obamacare? Billions upon billions spent, tens of thousands of lives lost among the very people we claimed to be liberating, thousands of US and allied servicemen and women killed or disabled, a country in a slow spiral into all out sectarian chaos, and it was lame compared to legislation that aims to make healthcare available to all Americans. Okay, that makes sense  ------------- "Buy it cheap. Stack it deep" "Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary. |
Posted By: Turboguy
Date Posted: November 21 2013 at 8:30am
I don't have to specify a time period, Bush isn't the president anymore, and truth be told, as much of a F-ing idiot as he was, he was a better president than Zer0 by all and any metric, and that is truly sad because Bush was a truly bad president. The saddest issue of all is how you Libs continue to bring up Bush like a broken record. "Herp Derp, 0bamacare doesn't work? Bush! Website broken? Bush! We didn't get our way and go to war in Syria? Bush! We sold guns to narcoterrorists in a false flag to ban guns in America and it didn't work? Bush! We let G model stingers fall into the hands of Al Qaeda and tried to cover it up? Bush!" Give it a rest, seriously. It's not healthy. But in reference to the "Billions and Billions spent!" logic bomb: Exactly how much has 0bamacare cost us already? How much is it expected to cost us? And I'm not talking about the BS numbers Zer0 and gang release, I'm talking about *REAL* numbers. The pricetag of 0bamacare is pretty close to both wars combined. Trillions of dollars and we're already 126 Trillion in the hole. (At the time of me writing this) "and it was lame compared to legislation that aims to make healthcare available to all Americans." You actually believe that drek? I've got some oceanfront property in Missouri I'd like to sell you because you've been sold a doozy. Unless I'm wrong about you, you're smarter than this and can do simple math. Even you should be able to figure this one out. I want you to explain how cancelling 100 million health insurance policies aims to make healthcare available to all Americans. Actually, I'll do you one better: I want you to explain exactly how cancelling the insurance policies of the WORKING CLASS on the order of a hundred million people is going to guarantee everyone gets healthcare. You silly libs are busy blaming the Republicans for your abject failures and the Republicans aren't doing anything! Truth be told they tried to save you Libs from this, and you howled that they should be brought up for Treason! ------------- Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views. - William F. Buckley |
Posted By: jacksdad
Date Posted: November 21 2013 at 10:33am
At last we agree on something ------------- "Buy it cheap. Stack it deep" "Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary. |
Posted By: jacksdad
Date Posted: November 21 2013 at 11:49am
Nice distraction, TG. You know as well as I do that Satori wasn't blaming Bush for the ACA - he was challenging you on your assertion that Obamacare was the worst thing since the beginning of time. You know, one of these days we'll just have to agree to disagree and use the free time constructively. I shouldn't even be doing this right now - I'm supposed to be fixing my transmission.
Fooled ya ------------- "Buy it cheap. Stack it deep" "Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary. |
Posted By: Medclinician2013
Date Posted: November 21 2013 at 6:38pm
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Back to the subject... Well, if you don't like the numbers - create your own poll. That's right. The day after last Wednesday with the 37% we get a new poll stating it is the all time low which it wasn't. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/11/21/obama-approval-rating-sinks-to-new-low-in-cnn-poll/?hpt=hp_t2 - http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/11/21/obama-approval-rating-sinks-to-new-low-in-cnn-poll/?hpt=hp_t2 The problem with some polls being put out by the media is that there are only 200 people sampled from selected areas in some of them. This cannot possibly be an accurate representation of the true numbers. As the clock ticks i.e. December 1, 2013 and especially January 1, 2014, we also have the world on Red Alert from WHO at a time when the Health System is not headed for a success story quite yet. stay tuned. ------------- Medclinician - not if but when - original |
Posted By: Satori
Date Posted: November 21 2013 at 6:42pm
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left wing/right wing blah blah blah merely different sides of the same damn counterfeit coin Our Invisible Revolution “Did you ever ask yourself how it happens that government and capitalism continue to exist in spite of all the evil and trouble they are causing in the world?” the anarchist Alexander Berkman wrote in his essay “The Idea Is the Thing.” “If you did, then your answer must have been that it is because the people support those institutions, and that they support them because they believe in them.” " http://www.commondreams.org/view/2013/10/28 emphasis on this section "Our shift to corporate totalitarianism, like the shift to all forms of totalitarianism, is incremental. Totalitarian systems ebb and flow, sometimes taking one step back before taking two steps forward, as they erode democratic liberalism. This process is now complete. The “consent of the governed” is a cruel joke. Barack Obama cannot defy corporate power any more than George W. Bush or Bill Clinton could. Unlike his two immediate predecessors, Bush, who is intellectually and probably emotionally impaired, did not understand the totalitarian process abetted by the presidency. Because Clinton and Obama, and their Democratic Party, understand the destructive roles they played and are playing, they must be seen as far more cynical and far more complicit in the ruination of the country. Democratic politicians speak in the familiar “I-feel-your-pain” language of the liberal class while allowing corporations to strip us of personal wealth and power. They are effective masks for corporate power." people are slowly waking up the emperor has no clothes |
Posted By: Turboguy
Date Posted: November 21 2013 at 6:57pm
And that's a GOOD thing. When the arseholes in DC do things is when bad stuff happens. I LIKE gridlock. The less they're able to do, the better. ------------- Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views. - William F. Buckley |
Posted By: Turboguy
Date Posted: November 21 2013 at 7:04pm
Meh, transmission will wait. Manual or automatic? Most people who take a look at the genius of the planetary gear system might go as crazy as the guy that invented it. Someone told me once that the guy that invented it went nuts and ate his own head or something to that effect. I wasn't talking about his blaming Bush for 0bamacare not working, but for bringing Bush up in the first place. 0bamacare will absolutely be the single most destructive piece of legislation since the war on drugs and prohibition. It will absolutely make the lies told to get us into Iraq look like peas in comparison to the moon.
Fooled ya [/QUOTE] No. You're capable of math and I know you are. Just because your side is in power doesn't excuse you from simple math. ------------- Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views. - William F. Buckley |
Posted By: Turboguy
Date Posted: November 21 2013 at 7:22pm
And in my experience, that is exactly what they want. Why else would they nationalize and then royally screw up a sixth of our economy? Everything is that long essay is absolutely true, however, any revolution we have in this country isn't going to remain nonviolent for long. There are entirely too many divisions and hatreds simmering to not have any nonviolent revolution not go hot. Eventually one side or the other will do something stupid. Law enforcement might overreact and kill someone or someone with a gun shoots a police officer and the lit match has been dropped into the bucket of gas. The other side will instantly be able to justify any means necessary to get to whatever end they desire. When that happens, the elite will absolutely resort to iron fisted subjugation up to and including loosing the military on our populace. There is only one way this is going to end, and that's violence, and the guys in power know it. ------------- Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views. - William F. Buckley |
Posted By: Medclinician2013
Date Posted: November 21 2013 at 8:22pm
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Update: Once more - http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/nov/20/obama-approval-rating-sinks-37-percent/ - http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/nov/20/obama-approval-rating-sinks-37-percent/ This is yesterday. President Obama’s approval rating has sunk to 37 percent in a new poll released Wednesday — the lowest of his presidency — and his disapproval rate is at 57 percent, a new high for him in CBS News polls. His approval rating has dropped 9 points since October, http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57613067/poll-obamacare-support-obama-approval-sink-to-new-lows/ - according to the CBS News poll . Approval of his health care overhaul, commonly known as Obamacare, is now at an all-time low of 31 percent and disapproval is at 61 percent, a high for the poll, as his administration scrambles to deal with the fallout from a rocky rollout of major parts of the law on Oct. 1. Forty-six percent say they “disapprove strongly” of the law. Eighty-eight percent of Republicans disapprove of the law — little changed from last month’s 87 percent figure. But approval among independents fell from 38 percent to 27 percent, and approval of Democrats dropped from 74 percent to 58 percent. Two-thirds say the signup for insurance on
government health care exchanges is not going well, and nearly
two-thirds are not confident that the federal http://HealthCare.gov - HealthCare.gov website will be mostly fixed by Dec. ------------- Medclinician - not if but when - original |
Posted By: jacksdad
Date Posted: November 21 2013 at 9:46pm
Automatic. Nothing too complicated with this one - just a replacement valve body, although I have another rebuild looming that'll involve a planetary/sun gear swap (quick and dirty way to get a lower first gear with factory parts), rebuilding/reprogramming the valve body, new high performance bands/clutches/steels, and switching out the stock four clutch front drum for a five clutch unit. I have to say I fell in love with the concept behind planetary gears the first time it was explained, but I needed to have a set in my hands for it to finally make sense. But I'm sure that designing a set from scratch, and seeing them after the fact are two entirely different things. Didn't have to eat my own head, thankfully. How did we get on to this...? ------------- "Buy it cheap. Stack it deep" "Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary. |
Posted By: Turboguy
Date Posted: November 24 2013 at 12:00am
You started talking mechanical things. Just because I disagree with your politics doesn't mean that you and I wouldn't like each other personally and share many of the same interests. We can have a perfectly civil conversation about everything other than politics too. I absolutely fell in love with the innards of the Automatic Transmission when I was in high school and took my first one apart to see exactly what's going on in there, how pressure is used, clutch operates, etc. I used to have a Crown Victoria that I bought from the PD and had to have had 250,000 miles on the thing. I somehow lost third gear. In the police interceptor, when you put the hammer down, there's quite a lot of slip between second and third. Since I had it when I was young, stupid, and carried a badge, so I didn't worry about getting traffic tickets, I would routinely floor it throughout the low gears. Did you know the transmissions from Ford were titanium? I didn't until I yanked it apart and saw that the gears were gold looking and asked an expert. That transmission was shot anyway, so I entered it into a demolition derby. You only really need up to second and reverse, LOL. ------------- Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views. - William F. Buckley |
Posted By: jacksdad
Date Posted: November 24 2013 at 11:54pm
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My kid's been angling for me to get a police interceptor for a while now, but I have something of a lead foot and the gas mileage isn't exactly stellar at the best of times in a Crown Vic. Would be a fun ride though. And politics aside, I'm sure we do have more in common than just hanging out here for the past six years ------------- "Buy it cheap. Stack it deep" "Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary. |
Posted By: Medclinician2013
Date Posted: November 25 2013 at 7:57am
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This appears that some have taken control of this thread and are leading it way off topic. What you are discussing on here has nothing to do with Obama Ratings or even general discussion of a faulty presidency. It's like a thread filibuster to a very read thread, that is very controversial? I realize in AFT it is impossible sometimes to keep people on topic. But aside from providing a forum for debate of a few users over things completely off topic, I will continue to post data on this thread. Medclinician NOTE: There are many many posts on here that are exceptional and have helped me understand many things. Thank you for your contribution to this topic and some very well written commentary. ------------- Medclinician - not if but when - original |
Posted By: Medclinician2013
Date Posted: November 25 2013 at 8:16am
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Obama ratings continue to drop. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/11/25/presidents-marks-as-manager-take-hit-in-new-cnnorc-poll/?hpt=hp_t2 - http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/11/25/presidents-marks-as-manager-take-hit-in-new-cnnorc-poll/?hpt=hp_t2 According to the survey, conducted last Monday through Wednesday, 40% say the President can manage the government effectively. That 40% figure is down 12 percentage points from June and is the worst score Obama received among the nine personal characteristics tested in the new poll. Comment: This is not accurate. Numerous polls have cited numbers of the approval rating at 37-39%. This drop into 30s is very significant. The recent Iran deal is a wolf in sheep's clothing. It has created a rift between the U.S. and Israel that could have dire consequences. Iran is now approved to continue enriching uranium and will be given billions of dollars in assistance which will fuel its nuclear program. The was the core of the a flood of mixed news. Some say it will bring nuclear capability within 5 years. http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/uranium-enrichment-heart-iran-nuclear-deal-20993831 - http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/uranium-enrichment-heart-iran-nuclear-deal-20993831 So Obama's approval rating has been untouched by a blatant attempt to shift attention from Obamacare disaster. It is the continuing propaganda of events being huge accomplishments and have huge value, that has plagued this administration. Nothing so far done has had any major effect on the U.S. economy and if the U.S. continues to decline status in the European, U.K. and Middle East world, this could have drastic effects. Africa is being taken over by terrorists and we have lost Egypt. People are not blind. If Israel launches to protect itself from a real nuclear threat, there will be a showdown in the Gulf with U.S. ships and Peter the Great, the Russian flagship and sub and aircraft subsurface power boats that will ignite the final war and take out destroyers and subs. If so, this agreement will be historically one of the worst in history and so has Israel said in recent statements. Yesterday - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/24/netanyahu-iran-deal-israel-nuclear_n_4332906.html - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/24/netanyahu-iran-deal-israel-nuclear_n_4332906.html "Today the world became a much more dangerous place," Netanyahu said. It is truly unrealistic to ignore congress, to dismantle the basic structure of the Senate and in a Democracy, the people were promised many things of which none were delivered of great importance. The will of the people is the essence of democracy. Being honest and truthful is bottom line to a good president. There are articles stating that to lie as a president is shrew and shows he is capable. How sad a day when people begin to praise an untruthful leader. Perhaps like no medical care in a Pandemic, it is felt the feeling and desires of a U.S. population which may be heading for brutal depression is not important. Only their votes and anger towards incompetent law makers doesn't matter. We have reached a point in U.S. national history that will change the world, not just the U.S. as we know it. Despite CNN's quick poll after other polls in the 30s hit does not agree with the NBC poll. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/nov/20/obama-approval-rating-sinks-37-percent/ - http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/nov/20/obama-approval-rating-sinks-37-percent/ President Obama’s approval rating has sunk to 37 percent in a new poll released Wednesday — the lowest of his presidency — and his disapproval rate is at 57 percent, a new high for him in CBS News polls. His approval rating has dropped 9 points since October, http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57613067/poll-obamacare-support-obama-approval-sink-to-new-lows/ - according to the CBS News poll . This was five days ago. It has been true since October. http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/public-blames-obama-gop/2013/10/09/id/530025 - http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/public-blames-obama-gop/2013/10/09/id/530025 The article was on the Associated Press-GfK survey of 1,227 probable voters conducted Oct. 3-7, with a margin of error of 3.4 percentage points. http://article.wn.com/view/2013/11/13/Poll_US_losing_trust_in_Obama_approval_ratings_show_historic/#/related_news - http://article.wn.com/view/2013/11/13/Poll_US_losing_trust_in_Obama_approval_ratings_show_historic/#/related_news http://article.wn.com/view/2013/11/19/Obama_free_falling_in_new_polls_from_disastrous_health_care_/#/related_news - http://article.wn.com/view/2013/11/19/Obama_free_falling_in_new_polls_from_disastrous_health_care_/#/related_news http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-free-falling-new-polls-from-disastrous-health-care-rollout - The Examiner 2013-11-19: Most of the major political polls have now determined that http://wn.com/President_Barack_Obama - President Barack Obama approval ratings are hitting all time lows, while his disapproval rating is now skyrocketing. The latest poll from http://wn.com/ABC_News - ABC News / http://wn.com/Washington_Post - Washington Post released on Monday, Nov. 18, 2013 listed their poll's lowest approval rating results of http://wn.com/Obama - Obama 's presidency and registered the highest disapproval rating. http://wn.com/The_new - The new poll numbers coincides with http://wn.com/Gallup_polls - Gallup polls ' daily Obama Job Approval tracking on Monday, http://wn.com/Nov,_18 - Nov, 18 and a http://wn.com/Quinnipiac_University_poll - Quinnipiac University poll released on Tuesday, Nov. 12. http://wn.com/The_President - The President 's lowering marks are mostly caused by the troubled rollout of... Conclusion: There is no joy in predicting these numbers or the implications of them. I continue to pray for our President everyday and ask God to clear his mind and give him workable solutions to address the "house of cards" ACA. Americans voted someone in with promises of jobs, better economy, keeping their insurance if they wanted, and has since failed to together a workable plan to save the U.S. economy. Is this continued drop in ratings significant in American history? Yes, it is. Medclinician ------------- Medclinician - not if but when - original |
Posted By: jacksdad
Date Posted: November 25 2013 at 10:09am
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Shocking. Off topic posts in the general discussion section? TG - you should be ashamed... Med - you should be happy we're being civil in a thread about Obama. Would you rather two of the senior members of AFT were publicly at each other's throats - again? When we do get talking like this (instead of, well, scroll back a few pages and see) it makes me realize that we're actually fairly like minded where it matters, and despite appearances, the liberals and conservatives on AFT are in fact much much aligned than we often appreciate, especially when it comes to our beliefs about what the future holds. Call it a little light relief from the looooong meandering posts that some feel obliged to contribute with, Med. And just in case anyone gets their knickers in a twist over that comment, I humbly include myself in that group. Don't get upset if it looks like someone's stealing your thread - we've all had that happen, and most of the time we take the high road, skip over the comments and continue where we left off. Or this happens, and the deviation from the thread topic becomes the topic. ------------- "Buy it cheap. Stack it deep" "Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary. |
Posted By: Crying Out Loud
Date Posted: November 25 2013 at 10:25am
I do wonder why oil is trading lower, and gas prices are coming down?  Apparently Israel turned out to be a less than beneficial bed partner. Any so called leader who contributes so little to the relationship, deserves to be served their walking papers. I consider this to be a glorious move on the part of the Maritime Ship U.S.A. At least I am hopeful that this situation will bring in the locusts. I love locusts! |
Posted By: jacksdad
Date Posted: November 25 2013 at 10:33am
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I'm loving these gas prices, although I personally find locusts a little too crunchy for my taste. And all those legs... No wait, what where we talking about again? ------------- "Buy it cheap. Stack it deep" "Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary. |
Posted By: Crying Out Loud
Date Posted: November 25 2013 at 10:37am
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Locusts=deflation. How low, can they go? The locust munches on the investors profits. But don't worry, nothing every happens in Bethlehem. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 25 2013 at 12:08pm
| Great that we have a society where we can share differences and then come back together. Says something about Democracy. Just hope those in power don't blow it. Just for the record - - gas prices have shot up about 30 cents a gallon here in Florida over the past two weeks. We are told refineries are having problems and we are too far from the oil rigs in the Gulf of Mexico. I smell cut backs in supply to boost prices and profit. |
Posted By: Crying Out Loud
Date Posted: November 25 2013 at 12:50pm
Crying Out Loud responds to the Sea Wolfe with this: Actually there is nothing democratic about a Plutocracy. Those who hold the reign on the financial power structure make the Maritime Rules, and those who think they are empowered by voting, are merely choosing who will hold the Power of Attorney on behalf of the voter. This is the same as what would happen to an individual who was deemed mentally retarded or below an age of reason, to take care of their own finances, property and rights. The State holds, all of the Estates. The Federation is the Umbrella of the Holders. Florida is a strange place. My Great Grandfather tried to alert individuals, nearly 100 years ago, to the dangers of expanding one's horizons on land that was merely fill dirt over sink holes and swamp land. How is that going for you folks today? As far as gas prices going up and down. It is true, they are kind of like hormone imbalances. One day they are up and the next they are down. Not stable and they can not be relied upon as a measure of future events. It would be more productive to use a divining rod. Oh no! You live in Florida, and it looks like rain.  |
Posted By: Medclinician2013
Date Posted: November 25 2013 at 12:58pm
Yea, I thought about it and true enough. And no, over the years I have seen it really heat up in here- freedom of speech is just that. The concept of global interaction we have here is very good with opinions which span cultural and geographical boundaries. If I were posting this stuff on my own site it would probably be down in 5 minutes. Thank you Albert for creating and giving us one of the best places, if not the best Prep site on the net. Medclinician ------------- Medclinician - not if but when - original |
Posted By: jacksdad
Date Posted: November 25 2013 at 3:49pm
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Thanks for being a good sport, Med. You're right - this is a pretty special place given how heated and fractious it gets at times. Seawolfe - don't you just love the reasons (excuses) that the oil companies give for differing gas prices. Ours has been dropping for a while, but I know that's not going to last so I'm enjoying it while I can. ------------- "Buy it cheap. Stack it deep" "Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 25 2013 at 7:24pm
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Jacksdad Heard a report a few months back that some of the Iraqi oil fields (yes fields) we're being taken off line because of "maintenance" reasons. Oil from shale will make the US the holder of more oil than the Saudis hold. The last time I was in Saudi Arabia gas was going for 10 cents a gallon. Wonder when our prices will be effected by true supply and demand? |
Posted By: jacksdad
Date Posted: November 25 2013 at 11:17pm
Entire oil fields shut down for maintenance? That's strange  ------------- "Buy it cheap. Stack it deep" "Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary. |
Posted By: Medclinician2013
Date Posted: November 26 2013 at 9:05am
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This is becoming rather sad in with a new projection that 78 million people will lose their health care coverage with carriers who cannot meet "Obama standards." With some premiums more than their monthly house payment. It is even more serious as groups begin to express their feelings directly during appearances of the President. Other presidents have faced this but the continuing ratings fall is significant. http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/2013/11/video-obama-heckled-crowd-seems-to-back-heckler-2574104.html - http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/2013/11/video-obama-heckled-crowd-seems-to-back-heckler-2574104.html ------------- Medclinician - not if but when - original |
Posted By: Medclinician2013
Date Posted: November 27 2013 at 8:11am
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One down in Ohio - Low approval numbers in Ohio http://www.libertarianrepublican.net/ - http://www.libertarianrepublican.net/ President Barack Obama’s job approval rating among Ohio voters is a negative 34 – 61 percent, his lowest score in any Quinnipiac University poll nationally or in any state, according to a poll released today. President Obama’s previous low in Ohio was a negative 40 – 57 percent in a June 26 survey by the independent Quinnipiac University. His previous low in any state was a negative 36 – 59 percent in Colorado November 20. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/11/27/cnnorc-poll-are-obamacares-flaws-fixable/?hpt=po_c1 - http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/11/27/cnnorc-poll-are-obamacares-flaws-fixable/?hpt=po_c1 Washington (CNN) – Despite the flawed rollout of HealthCare.gov, a majority of Americans still seem to have an open mind about whether Obamacare will work, and more than half of those surveyed in a new national poll believe the current problems can be solved. next paragraph: Only a third of Americans approve of Obama's implementation of the new health care law, while 63 percent disapprove. comment: It would seem that some believe Americans incapable of reading or interpreting simple numbers. Despite the cold hard fact that two-thirds do not approve of Obamacare,an additional question is used to tip the scales and states most people are undecided. a majority of Americans still seem to have an open mind versus 63% disapprove. It is likely, with 78 million insurance policy cancellations on the way and millions which have already occurred, that this will be reflected in the numbers of people who opt not to sign on. Conclusion; While the Ohio sample is highly askew which creates high numbers in one area, the polls taken recently nationally as little as a day after a bad one, were designed to show better numbers, than were earlier analyzed to show a high disapproval of Obamacare. ------------- Medclinician - not if but when - original |
Posted By: Medclinician2013
Date Posted: November 29 2013 at 11:50am
NBC skips releasing blistering numbers as Obama ratings continue to plunge.  Despite a running time of four hours, NBC's Today show on Tuesday skipped a http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/11/botched-aca-rollout-hammers-obama-job-disapproval-reaches-a-career-high/ - blistering poll (direct link to video) for Barack Obama and the latest news about the disastrous rollout of the President's health care law. Yet, the morning show managed five minutes for discussing the new TV special from singer John Rich and three minutes on table etiquette for Thanksgiving. Not exactly pressing topics. In contrast, both ABC's Good Morning America and CBS This Morning covered the current wave of bad news. An ABC News/Washington Post survey found Obama's approval rating at just 42 percent, what Jon Karl referred to as "the lowest job approval we have ever seen" for his presidency. GMA's George Stephanopoulos conceded that these are "brutal numbers." Karl even relayed this result: "We asked voters if they can have a mulligan on the 2012 presidential election, who they would vote for? A plurality now say they would vote for Romney over Obama." [See video. MP3 audio http://newsbusters.org/sites/default/files/2013/2013-11-19-ABC-GMA-Karl.mp3 - here .] The journalists also focused on what the administration knew in advance of the impending ObamaCare collapse.
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Posted By: Satori
Date Posted: November 29 2013 at 12:19pm
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hey maybe Obama will get it right the third time around ??? WaPo's Modest Proposal: Dictator Obama http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-11-29/wapos-modest-proposal-dictator-obama |
Posted By: Medclinician2013
Date Posted: December 03 2013 at 8:53am
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The crossroads - We have reached a day when Obamacare, despite many website visits, there are no numbers on how many have enrolled. Press is entering the no-man's-land of l-i-a-r versus untruthful. http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/bestoftv/2013/12/02/exp-erin-sot-john-cornyn-comments.cnn.html - http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/bestoftv/2013/12/02/exp-erin-sot-john-cornyn-comments.cnn.html "When people start distrusting a politician it's over." comment: none. ------------- Medclinician - not if but when - original |
Posted By: Medclinician2013
Date Posted: December 05 2013 at 9:04am
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Still continuing to drop and are now entering in some polls the dreary 30s in terms of voter approval. http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/obama-polls-lows-immigration/2013/12/05/id/540216 - http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/obama-polls-lows-immigration/2013/12/05/id/540216 Obama at All-Time Low in Nearly Every CategoryPresident Barack Obama’s dismal 39 percent approval rating is the bright spot of recent polling data, which indicates just how little Americans think of his policies, http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/12/05/why-barack-obama-cant-win/?wprss=rss_politics - according to The Washington Post. Americans panned the president in nearly every category, from the economy to healthcare to immigration, with approval ratings dipping into the low 30s, according to polling data from http://www.people-press.org/2013/11/08/obamas-second-term-slide-continues/and%20Quinnipiac%20University.%20http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institutes-and-centers/polling-institute/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=1975 - the Pew Research Center. The recently released data reflects the president’s lowest-ever approval ratings. Only 19 percent of American voters say Obamacare will improve the quality of care they will receive in the next year, while 43 percent think the quality of care will decline, according to Quinnipiac’s research. A whopping 52 percent of Americans don’t think the president is honest and trustworthy, with 46 percent saying he “knowingly deceived” the country when he repeatedly pledged that Americans could keep their existing health plans. Sixty-two percent of Americans polled think the president, who ran on the slogan of “Hope and Change,” is doing a poor job with the federal budget. Another 59 percent disapprove of how he is handling of the economy. This article is today December 5, 2013 and current and from the Washington Post. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/12/05/why-barack-obama-cant-win/?wprss=rss_politics - http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/12/05/why-barack-obama-cant-win/?wprss=rss_politics ------------- Medclinician - not if but when - original |
Posted By: Medclinician2013
Date Posted: December 10 2013 at 8:48am
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/12/05/obama-tries-to-quell-youth-revolt/?intcmp=obnetwork - http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/12/05/obama-tries-to-quell-youth-revolt/?intcmp=obnetwork A new poll from the Harvard University Institute of Politics shows Millennials’ approval for Obama’s job performance down 11 points since just before the 2012 election, crashing to 41 percent. Twelve percent of Obama voters said that they would not recast ballots for the president and 47 percent said they would vote to recall Obama from office if given the opportunity. Just 22 percent said they planned to sign up for the law, meaning they could possibly face ObamaCare penalties. Fifty-seven percent opposed the law. ------------- Medclinician - not if but when - original |
Posted By: Medclinician2013
Date Posted: December 11 2013 at 2:40pm
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http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/ap-gfk-poll-low-approval-congress-obama-21172979%20 - http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/ap-gfk-poll-low-approval-congress-obama-21172979 WASHINGTON December 11, 2013 (AP) Americans' perceptions of President Barack Obama are falling not only on his handling of the economy and other big issues, but also on more personal qualities such as honesty, a poll finds. A clear majority of adults, 56 percent, say "honest" does not describe Obama well, according to The Associated Press-GfK poll. That's worse than his 52 percent rating in an October poll. The AP-GfK Poll was conducted Dec. 5-9 using KnowledgePanel, GfK's probability-based online panel. It involved online interviews with 1,367 adults. The survey has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points for all respondents. ------------- Medclinician - not if but when - original |
Posted By: Medclinician2013
Date Posted: December 15 2013 at 9:39am
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New poll 38% approve 57% disapprove http://video.foxnews.com/v/2924328013001/poll-disapproval-of-obamas-job-performance-hits-new-high/?intcmp=obnetwork - http://video.foxnews.com/v/2924328013001/poll-disapproval-of-obamas-job-performance-hits-new-high/?intcmp=obnetwork comment: Have we reached a point where public opinion is ignored because there is no pending presidential election? The polls of course vary, but the bottom line -- the majority of the people in the U.S. are not not happy as they enter the heart of the holiday season about the current administration. source: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/dec/11/obama-hits-new-poll-lows-approval-38-percent/ - http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/dec/11/obama-hits-new-poll-lows-approval-38-percent/ President Obama’s approval numbers have sunk to new lows, with http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institutes-and-centers/polling-institute/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=1987 - a just-released http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/quinnipiac-university/ - Quinnipiac poll showing he’s dropped a full percentage point in that category in the past few weeks. He now has a 38 percent approval rating, compared with 39 percent in mid-November, Breitbart reported. And that negative rating is trickling down onto Democrats who are seeking re-election. The http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/quinnipiac-university/ - Quinnipiac University survey author says the “outlook for Democrats running for http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/congress/ - Congress and the http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/united-states-senate/ - U.S. Senate fades also.” ------------- Medclinician - not if but when - original |
Posted By: Satori
Date Posted: December 15 2013 at 1:39pm
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in some polls the approval rating for Congress is in the single digits yet in any given year app 90% of incumbents are put back in office not sure what good polls are or what they mean the people pulling the strings put in office who they want |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: December 16 2013 at 4:11am
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Haven't we got something better to talk about. Best comment from Satori: The people who pull the strings put in office who they want. Obama rolled on the string pullers. Seeya Obama!
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Posted By: Medclinician2013
Date Posted: December 16 2013 at 10:47am
It is unlikely that Obama is going anywhere. The legacy of an unworkable health care plan makes us vulnerable to a possible coming Pandemic. This is one of the core areas of discussion on AFT. Since healthcare is the flagship program of the current administration, it will effect people's basic ability to prepare, buy food to store, keep their cars running, and having a place to live, when several viral strains could sweep the globe at once. The task of posting these really sad posts, when I am a patriot and love my country, is a tough call. I think is necessary to keep people informed when the media has become unreliable and often sends out stories that are pure fiction. This is a time of information wars. One solves problems with accurate data and to prepare, we must know how things really are in the political world as well. If funds are cut to veterans, the poor, and the unemployed, not only the people, but the stores they buy from, will be hit as well. It could become a challenge to buy a loaf of bread. Shades of "Let them eat croissants (cake)" Marie Antoinette -- Sound familiar? A book was written about a French character name Jean Valjean from the novel Les Miserables (The wretched poor) by Victor Hugo. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Valjean - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Valjean "Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it" http://hernandoheckler.wordpress.com/2013/06/15/those-that-ignore-history-are-doomed-to-repeat-it/ - https://hernandoheckler.wordpress.com/2013/06/15/those-that-ignore-history-are-doomed-to-repeat-it/ ------------- Medclinician - not if but when - original |
Posted By: Medclinician2013
Date Posted: December 20 2013 at 3:02pm
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One should always hope for the best and prepare for the worst. To prepare well, we must be aware of politics which affect our incomes, our families, and our health. As other posters here are tracking the outbreak in Texas , I have chosen to track several things that will effect not only those in the U.S., but in the world in terms of the ability to buy food, have homes, and make it safely through the Flu season. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/12/20/president-ends-year-at-all-time-cnn-polling-low/?hpt=hp_t1 - http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/12/20/president-ends-year-at-all-time-cnn-polling-low/?hpt=hp_t1 "The growth in negative views of the President comes almost equally from the left and the right," CNN Polling Director Keating Holland said comment: Let's hope for the best President Obama. Where there's life, there is hope. Now is the time for you to shine like no other president and leave a legacy that will go down in history. You certain have time to do it. I pray that you will and that God will help you to do so. Medclinician ------------- Medclinician - not if but when - original |
Posted By: Elver
Date Posted: December 21 2013 at 11:48pm
| Obama will definitely leave a legacy, but it won't be a good one. |
Posted By: mjm1
Date Posted: December 22 2013 at 9:13am
| I remember when Bush ad a ~35% approval rating or some such - Wolf Blitzer went on and on about it. Don't see that with O. |
Posted By: Medclinician2013
Date Posted: December 23 2013 at 10:24am
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This is more an overview of what are some of the problems making Obama unpopular. It is a quick and easy read and brings out specifics. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/12/18/judge-blasts-obama-governance-by-secret-law/?intcmp=obnetwork - http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/12/18/judge-blasts-obama-governance-by-secret-law/?intcmp=obnetwork JUDGE BLASTS OBAMA GOVERNANCE BY ‘SECRET LAW’ But given the frustrations among his tech patrons over Obama’s heavy-handed NSA tactics and obtuse health insurance system, what is Obama prepared to give away to get back in their good graces? [ http://blogs.wsj.com/peggynoonan/2013/12/17/incompetence/ - Noonan : “Most of the Obama people just don’t have a background in executing. They have a background in communicating, not doing.”] Dr. Vivian Greentree, a Navy veteran and the wife of a naval flight officer who is currently deployed overseas, said military families appreciate federal fiscal concerns and know changes must be made, but said Congress was breaking its obligation. CHRISTMAS CREEPERS FOR OBAMACARE - President Obama’s Twitter account https://twitter.com/BarackObama - offered up a picture of a grown man wearing children’s zip-up Christmas pajamas and cradling a cup of hot coco. Odd, right? The goal is to remind Obama’s volunteer corps to use the holiday season to urge family and friends to enroll in ObamaCare. Does the ironic infantilizing of adults sell insurance? Would you take advice on a financial decision from a man who dresses up like a child for Christmas? comment: So, the beat goes on. Basically, it would appear the press advisers need advising. It is much like working in an advertizement firm where everyone in the conference room likes the idea, but the public hates it. So it is with most of the current foreign and domestic policies in the United States. Good advice for the advisers; go out and get in contact with the poor, the homeless, the struggling middle class, and the unemployed, who beyond all the rhetoric, are being hit hard. Put some solid programs in place where they can do the most good and help the hungry instead of passing legislative bills to super-fund the Defense Industry while taking the money to do it from disabled veteran's. imho Med ------------- Medclinician - not if but when - original |
Posted By: Medclinician2013
Date Posted: December 26 2013 at 10:51am
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It would seem that an earlier reference to Jean Valjean in Les Miserables was a foreshadowing of what is about to happen as the New Year approaches in the United States. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Miserables - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Miserables Debtor's prisons? http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/12/26/local-courts-reviving-debtors-prison - http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/12/26/local-courts-reviving-debtors-prison This will likely give the expression "A pound of flesh" new meaning. In 2012, Circuit Judge Hub Harrington at Harpersville Municipal Court in Alabama shut down what he called the "debtors' prison" process there, echoing complaints that private companies are only in it for the money. He cited JCS in part for sending indigent people to jail. Calling it a "judicially sanctioned extortion racket," Harrington said many defendants were locked up on bogus failure-to-appear warrants, and slapped with more fines and fees as a result. While a few new opinion polls being run, the discrepancy between those in the 30s versus current polls cannot be accurate. Nothing has improved and the proclamations of a million new persons versus 75 million who have lost or will lose their insurance is not a big gain. The worse things become, the more the "Much ado about nothing", will continue. People basically are not happy with things in multiple areas of domestic and foreign policy in which continued restatement of how good they are when in fact, they aren't . Probably to "find an honest poll" like "finding an honest man", will continue to elude the press which already, in many cases, simply turn up the level of white noise of completely false news to some of the highest levels it has ever been in the U.S.. ------------- Medclinician - not if but when - original |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: December 28 2013 at 4:39pm
| Not BS but true. My Daughter-in-Law's health insurance just more than doubled. Health insurance now takes one of her two week pay checks each month. What do we tell her. It's okay cause your hard work goes to pay for insurance for someone you don't know? Want to tell my daughter-in-law you and your one year old just suck it up? Want to tell her Obama care is a good thing? It's easy to call something BS if you don't want to deal with reality - - facts. What do we tell her an millions like her? |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: December 28 2013 at 5:59pm
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Thank all the people who put Obama back in office and all those Dems in the Senate and Congress. My insurance went from $850 to $940 a month at least I can afford it unlike Seawolfe's daughter in law. Wait until Doctors convert to concierge. You will pay a one time fee like $600 - $1200 or more a year JUST to see the doctor of your choice. This does not include their fees. My sisters and moms two different Doctors have done this. Thank Obama and the Dems for this and remember this when you vote in 2014 and 2016! |
Posted By: Medclinician2013
Date Posted: January 09 2014 at 9:16am
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jan/8/curl-obama-administration-in-full-meltdown/ - http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jan/8/curl-obama-administration-in-full-meltdown/ As the president has plunged in approval rating, hitting a new low of just 39 percent, http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/hillary-clinton/ - Hillary has hit a lifetime high of 66 percent (goes to show you what disappearing from the public eye can do for your popularity). comment: Is it any wonder I predicted Hilary would be the next U.S. President and first female president in history in 2007? Experience in having met and discussed foreign policy with many around who know and respect her around the world, is a big plus. 66% certainly trumps 39%- Good luck Hillary. Medclinician ------------- Medclinician - not if but when - original |
Posted By: nc_girl
Date Posted: January 09 2014 at 9:24am
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with all due respect, Hillary is no better than Obama and is worse in many ways. The last thing this country needs is another democrat for prez. We need another party (tea party, independent, or libertarian) to take over both houses of congress or at least keep the two main parties from having control. Then maybe they will start to work and LISTEN to the people and pass laws and REPEAL laws as needed. I vote to REPEAL Obamacare, impeach his butt and kick him out! Even Biden can't be worse. Then take control of the senate from the democrats. Kick out Pelosi and Reid as both are evil and have caused way too much damage as it is. |
Posted By: Johnray1
Date Posted: January 09 2014 at 1:42pm
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nc-girl,I support you 100%.Johnray1 |
Posted By: DANNYKELLEY
Date Posted: January 09 2014 at 2:28pm
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Me to ------------- WHAT TO DO???? |
Posted By: Medclinician2013
Date Posted: January 21 2014 at 8:21am
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/01/21/obama-upside-down-one-year-after-second-inaugural/?intcmp=latestnews - http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/01/21/obama-upside-down-one-year-after-second-inaugural/?intcmp=latestnews As the ratings plunge into the 30s for the President, we see a society and economy which reflects years of bad decisions, foreign and domestic policy, and encouraging the use of drugs. The elderly, the disabled, the veterans, the poor, the homeless, and millions who have or will lose their health care have been abandoned. This is not a issue of race. It is an issue of leadership and making the right decisions. The growing acceptance of a drug culture is not an advance. The desire to put up a monument to Satan and remove In God We Trust from the money, to encourage alternate lifestyles as the norm, and put the education and trust in the morality of our children to marry, have a family, and continue the family unit as it has been for ten thousand years, are a not a way to build a better America. To blatantly ignore the Constitution and put in place programs which do so and take way the rights of privacy and safety which are the core that makes America free and different than other places where there is tyranny and fear - is a bad choice of the first magnitude. This thread was started to show what was coming. It has tracked throughout a shutdown of the government, the support of a health care system doomed to failure, and a website for it that is truly poorly designed (Kevin Mitnick) news release in November On Wednesday, Roberta Stempfley, acting assistant secretary of the Department of Homeland Security’s Office of Cybersecurity and Communications, confirmed with lawmakers that there was, indeed a Distributed Denial of Service (DDoS) attack on the internet face of President Obama’s signature health care law. Conclusion: The lackluster budget passed and still to be confirmed did not do anything but continue the same policies and programs without mentioning crucial areas that need funding and others which will, if ignored, cause severe problems in 2014. Yet, the greatest point to be made here is that we may be about to face a health care crisis on a global scale during a period where we are the least prepared to deal with it. This thread will probably fade and as we face the cold realities that it predicted others, hopefully with solutions, will emerge. Medclinician ------------- Medclinician - not if but when - original |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: January 21 2014 at 12:03pm
| If Obama went swimming in the ocean do you know why sharks wouldn't eat him. They think he's a whale turd. |
Posted By: WillobyBrat
Date Posted: January 21 2014 at 12:11pm
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Ouch! At the risk of you yanks comming over and throwing my tea in the north sea, I shure can see the o/care issue has got people fired up. Our national health is sacrosanct over here, and 2 years ago gave me a new abdominal aorta. 97% die, I lived and it was free!!. However, we have a society that only thinks its free. We pay by letting oppresive socialist social ideas permiate our nation. Every effort is made to take away guns, police and the judiciary are, at best, tarnished and the social services control us at a level that is akin to the early nazi state. Apart from a barbaric death penalty and a bit of personal spying, read the words on your national anthem and bill of rights and be prepard to defend them!! Glad you have been reserected Jacks Dad' my wife has stopped crying and given me some use of my lap top. Good group you have in the forum ,but dont go any further right TG,that path can lure you into places you dont want to be. ------------- I like Ike |
Posted By: Elver
Date Posted: January 21 2014 at 10:04pm
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My insurance went up 10% last year and it would have been higher if I hadn't increased my deductible to $5K. This year my insurance went up 18%! (Still have $5K deductible) So now we have more people signing up who have pre-existing conditions which will cost all of us more in premiums. Most of the people who have signed up come under the hardship clause and are now on Medicaid. Why would any healthy young person sign up when the penalty is only $95 this year (or 1% of income)? Penalty is $325 in 2015 & $695 in 2016. The 2016 penalty is barely over 1 months worth of insurance. That's hardly a penalty that will do much good. I hope those democrats who all voted for something that they never read, or had time to understand, or even debated all get kicked out of office! Then we can repeal it. There are 5 states working to eliminate Obamination Care and if more states follow suit, Obamination Care will be history. I think Obama's ratings are where they are because people have figured out that he's a sociopathic pathological liar. |