The Chinese Death Star
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Topic: The Chinese Death Star
Posted By: Kilt2
Subject: The Chinese Death Star
Date Posted: February 09 2014 at 7:01pm
Not only Influenza pandemics are being hatched in China to devastate the rest of the world, the economy of China is a Death Star about to destroy the global economy.http://seekingalpha.com/article/2004321-how-dangerous-is-chinas-credit-bubble-for-the-world - How Dangerous Is - Bubble For The World? [SPDR Seeking Alpha-7 Feb 2014ShareThe article is ominously entitled "China, the Death Star of Emerging Markets". China has recently made unwelcome headlines, as one of the ------------- And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. |
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Posted By: Kilt2
Date Posted: February 09 2014 at 8:11pm
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All jokes aside, the H1N1 Spanish Flu Pandemic came from China, as did the H2N2 Asian Flu pandemic and the H3N2 Hong Kong Flu Pandemic. Now we have the H5N1 and the latest H7N9 threats to global health and goodness know what else is in the pipeline disease wise from China - SARS was one of theirs too right? And now with Chinese New year this H7N9 is being shoved down our throats right now. And if all that is not bad enough, the Chinese economy is threatening us with another financial crisis. Chinese Death Star is right. Use the force Luke. May the Force be with us all. ------------- And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. |
Posted By: Kilt2
Date Posted: February 09 2014 at 8:18pm
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Even the Rabbit Calicivirus came from China. What else do they have in store for the world? ------------- And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 10 2014 at 7:23am
| Kilt, the h1n1 Spanish flu did not come from china, you should take a history class. Stop posting nonsense. |
Posted By: Kilt2
Date Posted: February 10 2014 at 2:30pm
Yes it did. You stop posting rubbish. Read books. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/01/140123-spanish-flu-1918-china-origins-pandemic-science-health/ - 1918 - ...National Geographic-23 Jan 2014 The global flu outbreak of 1918 killed 50 million people worldwide, ranking as one of the deadliest epidemics in history. For decades, scientists ... ------------- And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. |
Quickdraw wrote:Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 10 2014 at 3:08pm
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i would read always twice an article, if i would have some doubts. And pls you should do same. Theories and interesting suppositions only to make another PhD somewhere in the world, with following bombastic articles is not going to be very constructive on the long therm. Noone used the certainty in the whole article you have mentioned in your link. And stop being personal attacking other persons on this forum, it is not your wisest move, you know. And you or me personally will never own the truth, so just forget playing god around. It is only an article like other tens of articles ( ok it is a newer one, so what?). regards from transylvania
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Posted By: Kilt2
Date Posted: February 10 2014 at 4:29pm
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Your post is garbled - no speaka da English? http://www.history.com/news/china-epicenter-of-1918-flu-pandemic-historian-says - China Epicenter of 1918 History-by https://plus.google.com/117022782941793034464 - Christopher Klein -2 hours agoShareThe global influenza pandemic was three times deadlier than World War I, and according to new research by a Canadian historian, the timing .
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Posted By: Kilt2
Date Posted: February 10 2014 at 4:45pm
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Lets put it this way. It is widely believed the Spanish Flu came from China. I believe it did. We know the H2N2 and the H3N2 pandemics came from China. We know SARS came from China. We know the H7N9 is from China. We know H5N1 is from China. And now we have a financial calamity in the pipeline also from China. The Chinese Death Star is the point. ------------- And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. |
Posted By: arirish
Date Posted: February 10 2014 at 4:48pm
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Kilt- It's not only possible but I believe probable that U S military personnel who were transferred from China to Camp Funston in Kansas to train the Dough Boys brought the Flu back with them. However no one can prove either theory. ------------- Buy more ammo! |
Posted By: Kilt2
Date Posted: February 10 2014 at 7:08pm
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The virus can be examined and that will settle it. It makes sense to me - but my point is all the death that comes from China (even if the Spanish Flu didn't) and now a Financial Crisis. ------------- And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. |
Posted By: Kilt2
Date Posted: February 10 2014 at 7:11pm
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http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2014/02/h7n9-illness-total-grows-13-2-more-deaths - CIDRAP-3 hours ago ------------- And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. |
Posted By: Kilt2
Date Posted: February 13 2014 at 3:42am
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The Chinese Death Star is ready to strike again. ------------- And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. |
Posted By: Kilt2
Date Posted: February 13 2014 at 3:44am
http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/02/04/spanish-flu-the-pandemic-that-killed-50-million-started-in-china-but-may-have-spread-via-canada-historian-says/ - Spanish - pandemic that killed 50 million, started in China National Post-4 Feb 2014 |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 13 2014 at 4:51am
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copy pasting in not that healthy... at least so i heard... |
Posted By: arirish
Date Posted: February 13 2014 at 8:06am
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Kilt2- Great find! ------------- Buy more ammo! |
Posted By: Kilt2
Date Posted: February 13 2014 at 7:43pm
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The point is that China keeps dishing out death Now the economy is in serious jeopardy because of China Death Star indeed. ------------- And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. |
Posted By: Kilt2
Date Posted: February 13 2014 at 7:44pm
Its the only way I can post a clickable link Live with it ------------- And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. |
Posted By: Medclinician2013
Date Posted: February 14 2014 at 5:55am
So, I will enter the fray here http://virus.stanford.edu/uda/ - http://virus.stanford.edu/uda/ So here is the deal -- A collection of letters of a soldier stationed in Camp Funston http://www2.okstate.edu/ww1hist/ - Soldier The origins of this influenza variant is not precisely known. It is thought to have originated in China in a rare genetic shift of the influenza virus. The recombination of its surface proteins created a virus novel to almost everyone and a loss of herd immunity. Recently the virus has been reconstructed from the tissue of a dead soldier and is now being http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/html/970321a.htm - genetically characterized . The name of Spanish Flu came from the early affliction and large mortalities in Spain (BMJ,10/19/1918) where it allegedly killed 8 million in May (BMJ, 7/13/1918). However, a first wave of influenza appeared early in the spring of 1918 in Kansas and in military camps throughout the US. Few noticed the epidemic in the midst of the war. Wilson had just given his 14 point address. There was virtually no response or acknowledgment to the epidemics in March and April in the military camps. It was unfortunate that no steps were taken to prepare for the usual recrudescence of the virulent influenza strain in the winter. The lack of action was later criticized when the epidemic could not be ignored in the winter of 1918 (BMJ, 1918). These first epidemics at training camps were a sign of what was coming in greater magnitude in the fall and winter of 1918 to the entire world.Medclinician ------------- Medclinician - not if but when - original |
Posted By: arirish
Date Posted: February 14 2014 at 6:23am
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"There was virtually no response or acknowledgment to the epidemics in March and April in the military camps. It was unfortunate that no steps were taken to prepare for the usual recrudescence of the virulent influenza strain in the winter. The lack of action was later criticized when the epidemic could not be ignored in the winter of 1918 (BMJ, 1918). These first epidemics at training camps were a sign of what was coming in greater magnitude in the fall and winter of 1918 to the entire world." Substitute wet markets for training camps and 2014 for 1918? ------------- Buy more ammo! |
Posted By: Kilt2
Date Posted: February 14 2014 at 4:30pm
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from the article: Spanish flu, the global pandemic that took the lives of more than 50 million people around the end of First World War, appears to have originated in China before spreading to the wider world via trainloads of Chinese labourers that passed through Canada en route to wartime Europe, according to new research by a Canadian historian. Mark Humphries, a history professor at Memorial University of Newfoundland, has identified China as the likely epicentre of the disease. He believes it spread to Canada with members of the Chinese Labour Corps (CLC), young men recruited by the British government to replace able-bodied European workers who could then be sent to the front lines. The British shipped the Chinese replacement workers to Vancouver before sending them by rail across the country to Halifax, and then to Europe. Humphries’ study, published in the January issue of the journal War in History, says the need for new workers in Europe was desperate enough that one ship laden with 3,000 labourers left Weihaiwei, China, for Vancouver in 1918 despite a recruitment ban in China at the time because of the outbreak of a mysterious respiratory illness. “British officials knew that whatever the plague was, there were Chinese labourers sick with it,” Humphries said in an interview. “And they were being shipped across Canada.” About 50,000 Canadians would die of the contagion. Globally, an estimated three per cent of the planet’s population died between 1918 and 1920. ------------- And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. |
Posted By: Kilt2
Date Posted: February 14 2014 at 4:32pm
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It has the ring of truth to me and a genetic examination of the virus will reveal its origin in time. The point is China is a Death Star. ------------- And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. |
Posted By: Kilt2
Date Posted: February 14 2014 at 11:31pm
http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2014/02/china-reports-two-more-h7n9-cases-one-fatal - China reports two more CIDRAP-8 hours ago |
Posted By: Kilt2
Date Posted: February 15 2014 at 2:14pm
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The 1918 H1N1 Spanish Flu pandemic - believed to have originated in China. The 1956 H2N2 Asian Flu Pandemic originated in China The 1968 H3N2 Hong Kong Flu Pandemic originated in China SARS originated in China The H5N1 Bird Flu originated in China The Calicivirus originated in China The H7N9 virus originated in China The H10N8 virus originated in China And they are also bringing the world a financial crisis and a global depression. China is a Death Star. ------------- And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 15 2014 at 5:34pm
| Kilt2,I have no problem believeing that the Chinese can bring us a hinancial problem,but How and when do you think they will do it?.Johnray1 |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 15 2014 at 9:26pm
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Dang, I don't really care where it comes from. Lots of stuff starts in Africa. All I care about is SIP before it hits my family. I need to get my kid home from college before it gets bad whenever it hits, and get all my water containers filled. Hate to sound selfish but I just want as early a warning as I can get. Does not matter who starts it...LOL! |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 16 2014 at 8:12am
| hows goin' with your Deathhhh Starrr?? |
Posted By: Kilt2
Date Posted: February 16 2014 at 5:39pm
I don't see anything in Africa that is going around the world killing millions (AIDS Yes) like I can with China. Look at the list. Millions died and all the bugs came from China. And more will come from China because of the population and the proximity with animals and birds. ------------- And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. |
Posted By: Kilt2
Date Posted: February 16 2014 at 5:52pm
China is a Bubble. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/commodities/10642184/Gold-price-signals-China-credit-bubble-bursting-as-investors-seek-safety.html - Gold price signals - bubble bursting as investors seek Telegraph.co.uk-3 hours agoShareChina's “unfolding credit crunch” is having an unforeseen and dramatic impact on gold prices as investors urgently stock up on the precious metal as a form of ... ------------- And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 16 2014 at 8:36pm
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Well no country on the face of the planet knows 'credit bubble' like the good ol' U S of A.... If we are talking about a financial melt down only, the topic should read "THE AMERICAN DEATH STAR" |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 17 2014 at 12:28am
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We survived the last melt down that was inflicted on the planet by the US. As the old proverb goes.... "People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones". |
Posted By: jacksdad
Date Posted: February 17 2014 at 12:57am
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China is building entire cities to keep their construction industry busy. They have a crash coming that will make the one the US experienced pale by comparison. BTW - Kilt is in Australia. ------------- "Buy it cheap. Stack it deep" "Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary. |
Posted By: Kilt2
Date Posted: February 17 2014 at 6:06pm
I find your lack of faith disturbing. ------------- And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. |
Posted By: Kilt2
Date Posted: February 18 2014 at 6:22pm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-26225205 - Will BBC News-16 hours agoShare |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 18 2014 at 7:32pm
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Regardless of where you or kilt or johnnyray live, it seems that you lay many of the world's ills at the feet of China. China is an emerging economy that has only had a very recent (plus or minus 10 years) impact on economies, global warming, etc. No question it is at the epicentre of concern about emerging influenza threats, but I just don't think it is reasonable or accurate to lay all impending disasters at their feet. Referencing China as the 'Death Star' seems inaccurate at best. Btw... If you are looking for abandoned cities, there are plenty in USA. Is China's debt as a share of GDP close to that of america |
Posted By: jacksdad
Date Posted: February 18 2014 at 11:06pm
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Saskabush - I'm originally from the UK. I believe that there is good reason to be concerned. China looks after China, and the rest of the world comes a distant second. Look at the civil rights abuses currently taking place in Tibet under Chinese rule, their cruel and irresponsible farming practices (and subsequent role in the evolution of novel viruses), their appalling environmental record, the government sponsored harvesting of tissue from living prisoners, their support of the regimes in North Korea and Syria, hacking of sensitive data by Chinese authorities - the list goes on and on. While US cities like Detroit became abandoned as a result of economic collapse, China's "ghost cities" are being built in the full knowledge that they will never be occupied. They exist purely as a means to bolster the economy by keeping people employed and providing middle class Chinese with opportunities to invest. They're building 12-24 empty cities every year and that's an unsustainable policy. Their "one child policy" will be biting them in the butt in the next few decades too, as an aging population retires to be replaced by a smaller workforce. It's a demographic disaster in the making. ------------- "Buy it cheap. Stack it deep" "Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary. |
Posted By: Kilt2
Date Posted: February 19 2014 at 7:35pm
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My point being H2N2 - from China H3N2 - same H5N1 - same SARS - same H7N9 - same and other still in the pipeline all from China. And as China is the 2nd largest economy in the world and have gone too far too fast and are now threatening a financial crisis that will be a knock out blow for the global economy. They are defaulting on debts right now. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-02-19/trust-defaults-seen-as-coal-maturities-quadruple-china-credit.html - - Defaults Seen as Coal Maturities QuadrupleThe number of trust products tied to China's flagging coal miners maturing this year will almost quadruple, as rising borrowing costs for the ... http://www.thehindu.com/business/Economy/debt-and-defaults-dogging-chinese-economy/article5703193.ece - Debt and - Chinese economy The Hindu-18 Feb 2014 http://www.scmp.com/business/commodities/article/1431262/trust-defaults-seen-coal-miners-run-trouble - Trust South China Morning Post-9 hours ago http://www.cnbc.com/id/101421154 - Get ready for more - defaultsChina has just settled a high-profile failure of one shadow-banking product and already another has emerged, with analysts expecting a wave ... And few people thought Lehmans Bank was going to collapse or the Housing bubble would pop. Death Star indeed. ------------- And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. |
Posted By: Kilt2
Date Posted: February 19 2014 at 7:42pm
http://seekingalpha.com/article/2004321-how-dangerous-is-chinas-credit-bubble-for-the-world - How Dangerous Is China's Credit Bubble For The World? [SPDR Seeking Alpha-7 Feb 2014Share |
Posted By: Kilt2
Date Posted: February 19 2014 at 7:43pm
http://www.thanhniennews.com/index/pages/20140206-china-the-death-star-of-emerging-markets.aspx - Thanh Nien Daily-6 Feb 2014Share |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 20 2014 at 4:48am
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kilt... are you some sort of special agent wannabe? as all these starrrr postes are kind of trashy / messy cancan wannabe documentaries and certain people here are starting having fun and taking this site much less serious once this deathhhh starrr post started. i feel slowly draged on the naked weather girl level posts, instead of reading first hand class informations... but it starts to be fun, so please, just continue.... please do not stop this as it really starts my day in a very happy mood...
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Posted By: jacksdad
Date Posted: February 20 2014 at 9:02am
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atheris - please feel free to contribute. Constructively. ------------- "Buy it cheap. Stack it deep" "Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary. |
Posted By: Kilt2
Date Posted: February 20 2014 at 6:03pm
Did you fail English at school? All the influenza pandemics (possibly not 1918) and SARS and all the nasty flu bugs we face now dealing death to people in the millions came from China. And now we have a financial crisis from China to deliver the knock out blow to the world and turn every country into Greece. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/10638811/Chinese-bank-bad-debts-hit-crisis-level-high.html - - debts hit Telegraph.co.uk-14 Feb 2014ShareBad loans made by Chinese banks have risen to highest level the financial crisis, according to figures released by the country's financial ... ------------- And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. |
Posted By: Kilt2
Date Posted: February 20 2014 at 9:08pm
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/01/140123-spanish-flu-1918-china-origins-pandemic-science-health/ - 1918 - ...The global flu outbreak of 1918 killed 50 million people worldwide, ranking as one of the deadliest epidemics in history. For decades, scientists ... ------------- And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. |
Posted By: Kilt2
Date Posted: February 21 2014 at 4:49pm
http://www.radioaustralia.net.au/international/radio/program/asia-pacific/is-china-facing-a-looming-debt-crisis/1268882 - Is - debt crisis?China's leadership and the International Monetary Fund have expressed... and there are fears it could cause a potential debt crisis in China. ------------- And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 24 2014 at 1:49am
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still having some kind of weird fixation... :) write more when you feel better :) remembering that the very first post was from the position that the 1918 pandemic was coming tottaly from china, and now (after only a week) you are turning yourself against your own opinions. dear one, i know 5 languages (not chinese or japanese), so english is not my favourite at it is much too superficial, in too many ways- still i do not see the point of arguing with you, as you are getting your own ideas repolished once a week :)) ... very funny :))
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 24 2014 at 5:25am
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What is this crazy death star thing?? Total bs. China has near zero debt to gdp. When I went there recently "MOST OF" the investment money from the west was pouring in. Literally ever where we looked western money building infrastructure, shops, factories, etc etc. To think China is in trouble is ridiculous. China is like the modern day equivalent of the Wild West. I urge others to visit as you cant comprehend the scale until you have seen it first hand. I suggest Shanghai. Also seeking alpha is total tripe. |
Posted By: Kilt2
Date Posted: February 24 2014 at 5:24pm
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The China Death Star was the title of an article. All the flu pandemics came from there possibly the 1918 as well they now threaten the global economy
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Posted By: Kilt2
Date Posted: February 25 2014 at 4:14pm
http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2014/02/chinas-raw-materials-bubble-bursts.html - - bubble burstsSteel, iron ore futures in China tanked on bloated (all-time high) inventories and apparent lending curbs by Chinese banks. http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?id=20140224000054&cid=1102 - Half of - bubble burstThe property markets in more than half of 120 cities at prefecture level and above in China have been exposed to risks, according to a survey ... http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/02/chinas_economic_bubble_is_bursting.html - - Bubble Is BurstingThe highly credible HSBC/Markit Purchasing Managers' Index (PMI) of economic demand in China reported that demand in China's factories ... ------------- And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 25 2014 at 4:47pm
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http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2014/02/19/is-china-at-risk-of-a-debt-crisis-not-really-economists-say/ "IS CHINA AT RISK OF A DEBT CRISIS? NOT REALLY ECONOMISTS SAY"... Wall Street Journal |
Posted By: Satori
Date Posted: February 25 2014 at 5:29pm
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Wall Street Journal propaganda rag owned by Rupert Murdoch of the FAUX NEWS NETWORK and Royal Bank of Scotland? aren't these some of the same criminal bankers that crashed the world's economy ??? |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 25 2014 at 5:56pm
| Just hoping to provide a bit balance.... The whole Death Starrr thing has become lopsided and tedious at best. Many other articles from many other sources easily available. |
Posted By: Kilt2
Date Posted: February 25 2014 at 6:21pm
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The Chinese Bubble is now bursting and many say it will be worse than the Lehman Brothers crash of 08. Its started - so lets just see what happens. My point being China gave us the flu pandemics - possibly the 1918 - and SARS and now the new flu viruses and now it threatens the global economy - and causing problems with the Navy in the Pacific. China Death Star sounds right to me. ------------- And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. |
Posted By: Satori
Date Posted: February 25 2014 at 6:36pm
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no slight meant Saskabush I'm just a "LITTLE" skeptical of big banks and the MSM ya just never know when they're lying when their lips are moving ??? |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 25 2014 at 7:07pm
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None taken Satori. My point is that many of the sources Kilt2 is quoting are equally dubious and his rant needs some sort of balance. I could be in minority here but his commentary seems to blame China for ALL the ills of the entire planet be they biological, financial, meteorological and military and on and on and on.... I think a reasonable argument can be made that when we are talking about a credit crisis China is one economy among many in the world that have suffered the same problems. When someone starts doing the "China is inflicting the world" I think that is so simplistic as to be almost laughable. And when history is rewound and events from a hundred years ago are trotted out, it seems clear that someone has an agenda or is wearing the tin foil headgear. |
Posted By: Kilt2
Date Posted: February 25 2014 at 7:23pm
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I don't rant. China is a Bubble. All bubbles burst. Its bursting now. All the flu pandemics and SARS came from China and in total killed millions - and more death to come. ------------- And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. |
Posted By: Kilt2
Date Posted: February 25 2014 at 7:29pm
http://www.news.com.au/national/australias-biggest-threat-is-china-australian-strategic-policy-institute-report-finds/story-fncynjr2-1226824729488 - Australia's biggest - China, Australian Strategic Policy NEWS.com.au-11 Feb 2014Share |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 25 2014 at 7:46pm
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You make my point Kilt2... Much, much better than I... But my post really wasn't directed at you. Only pointing out that there is good information that is easily accessible to anyone interested in taking the time to look rather than reading the same perspective over and over and over and over... |
Posted By: Kilt2
Date Posted: February 25 2014 at 7:52pm
It is believed that the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic began in China. We know: The H2N2 flu pandemic of 1956 began in China, as did the H3N2 1967 flu pandemic and SARS and H5N1 and H7N9. We know China is the great danger with influenza because of the number of people, pigs and poultry. We know China will continue to churn out influenza pandemics in the future. China is the Number 2 economy of the world and their economy is a Bubble which has now reached the end of its time. There is no agenda and no tin foil hat. So zip it you Canadian buffoon. ------------- And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. |
Posted By: Kilt2
Date Posted: February 25 2014 at 7:54pm
You *****ing idiot. China produces Influenza viruses and now its Bubble is bursting. But you being a dumb Canadian you wouldn't *****ing know. NOW ***** OFF ------------- And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 25 2014 at 8:09pm
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Touchy.... Just looking to encourage a little balance. I didn't realize your opinion was the only one one allowed. At the risk of provoking another profanity laced name calling session I would point out that China does not 'produce' Influenza. I am hoping that is just a poor choice of words but I can't be sure. Just my opinion... Maybe it is different in Canada than where ever you are from. |
Posted By: Kilt2
Date Posted: February 25 2014 at 8:13pm
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As I said - its believed the 1918 came from China we know SARS did and the H2N2 pandemic of 1956 and the H3N2 pandemic of 1967 and the H5N1 and the H7N9 viruses. China because of the billion people and billions of pigs and poultry are the hot bed for flu viruses NOW WHAT *****ING WORD DID YOU NOT *****ING UNDERSTAND? TAKE YOUR TIN FOIL HAT HAND SHOVE IT UP YOUR ARSE YOU CANADIAN ARSEHOLE ------------- And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. |
Posted By: Kilt2
Date Posted: February 25 2014 at 8:20pm
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I didn't make it up I saw it in an article on economics - no doubt you will cast aspersions on Bloomberg for publishing such an article and accuse them of a tin foil hat - you twonk. The article is ominously entitled " http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-02-06/china-the-death-star-of-emerging-markets.html - China, the Death Star of Emerging Markets ".
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 25 2014 at 8:23pm
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"China produces Influenza viruses and now its Bubble is bursting" No, actually Kilt2, that isn't what you you said. See your quote posted above. It's quite what you wrote Kilt. It may not be what you meant or believe, but that is what you wrote. Do you react this way to everyone who disagrees with you? Ok. I'm done folks. I'll quit poking the bear!!! |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 25 2014 at 8:27pm
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Good for you Kilt2. No aspersions.. You are entitled tour opinion. |
Posted By: Kilt2
Date Posted: February 25 2014 at 8:30pm
What the ***** are you going on about??? Are you on drugs? ------------- And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. |
Posted By: Kilt2
Date Posted: February 25 2014 at 8:32pm
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tour opinion??? are you on drugs? ------------- And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 25 2014 at 8:53pm
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Wow... Talk about casting aspersions!, Simple typo... Let me correct it for you "You are entitled to your opinion." Is that better? I would have thought a smart guy like you could have figured a small typo like that out! Try and keep in mind that it is easier to make these small mistakes when I am using the whole alphabet and not all those mindless punctuation marks you are so fond of. No I am not on drugs but it seems you should be.... or something to help with your anger issues. |
Posted By: Kilt2
Date Posted: February 25 2014 at 9:02pm
Listen - you idiot all you do here is badger me. Now ***** off ------------- And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 25 2014 at 9:10pm
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I don't agree with your opinion. I prefer a more balanced approach. I'm sorry you feel threatened by that. |
Posted By: Kilt2
Date Posted: February 25 2014 at 9:13pm
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The opinion was an article from Bloomberg. I posted it - take it up with them. The 1956, 1967 flu pandemics we know came from China. SARS came from China. H5N1 and H7N9 come from China. The Asset Bubble that is China is now ruptured and hitting the global economy. That is not my opinion. You are a *****ing idiot - now ***** off and die. ------------- And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 25 2014 at 9:21pm
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You sad little man. All you do is post articles on this forum. You are defensive when anyone voices something different. You've been good for a laugh but unlike you I do have other things to do. See ya! |
Posted By: Kilt2
Date Posted: February 25 2014 at 9:24pm
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You are critical of what exactly? All you do is badger me. I posted an article from Bloomberg - you say they are wrong? You say the flu pandemics don't come from China? You say SARS didn't come from China? You say there is no China Bubble? You say the Bubble is not bursting? What is your opinion? I see no opinion other than you giving me the *****ing *****s. Take your tin foil hat and bash it up your arse. ------------- And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 26 2014 at 6:33am
| Albert - Can you please remove this thread? It's not very polite and I don't think we need to keep it on the site. All the negative slurs and foul language is juvenile and has no place here. Thank you. |
Posted By: Kilt2
Date Posted: February 26 2014 at 4:30pm
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I was posting important stuff relevant to this group and some Canadian Troll starts on my case. I stand up to bullies ------------- And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. |
Posted By: Kilt2
Date Posted: February 26 2014 at 4:43pm
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/02/25/business/nanjing-real-estate/ - - bubble stalls the urban dreamNanjing, China (CNN) -- Limited investment options in China means real estate has been a popular choice for consumers looking to expand ... ------------- And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. |
Posted By: Kilt2
Date Posted: February 26 2014 at 4:47pm
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-02-26/crisis-gauge-rises-to-record-high-as-swaps-avoided.html - Bloomberg-19 hours agoShare |
Posted By: Kilt2
Date Posted: February 26 2014 at 4:47pm
http://www.fxstreet.com/news/fxbeat/article.aspx?storyid=4a34d5c2-f9f9-473f-91ce-28b8f933b535 - |
Posted By: Satori
Date Posted: February 26 2014 at 4:48pm
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Inside China's ghost cities http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-ideas/inside-china8217s-ghost-cities/story-e6frfqd9-1226716277487 massive cities with few inhaibitants |
Posted By: Kilt2
Date Posted: February 26 2014 at 4:50pm
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exactly and their whole economy is 50% building and construction so when the music stops half are without a chair ------------- And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 26 2014 at 6:30pm
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In China, Gross Domestic Product is divided by three sectors: Primary, Secondary and Tertiary. The Primary Industry includes Farming, Forestry, Animal Husbandry, and Fishery and accounts for around 9 percent of GDP. The Secondary sector, which includes Industry (40 percent of GDP) and Construction (9 percent of GDP) is the most important. The Tertiary sector accounts for the remaining 44 percent of total output and consist of Wholesale and Retail Trades; Transport, Storage, and Post; Financial Intermediation; Real Estate; Hotel and Catering Services and Others. 2014-02-27 http://www.tradingeconomics.com |
Posted By: Kilt2
Date Posted: February 26 2014 at 6:48pm
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To be clear, in 2007 most economists were even then arguing that China was too dependent on investment, with expenditure on plant, equipment, buildings and infrastructure already 40% of national income, or GDP. But rather than there being a "rebalancing" away from investment, it actually shot up, to 50% of GDP. There was a splurge on remaking the urban and industrial landscape, more or less unprecedented in history. Wherever you go in China, you can see the fruits, from the world's tallest skyscrapers and longest bridges, to roads that seem to go nowhere and mind-boggling numbers of unoccupied new homes. What's more, those legacies of the Maoist era, the state-owned enterprises, had a new lease of life - on Beijing's orders - creating huge new productive capacity. http://www.bbc.com/news/business-25808279 ------------- And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. |
Posted By: Kilt2
Date Posted: February 26 2014 at 6:51pm
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http://fxexaminer.com/jim-chanos-on-china-bubble/ ------------- And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 01 2014 at 1:16am
Seriously, No disrespect, but that just is not true. Construction doesn't come close to 50% of the economy no matter how you measure it. Manufacturing is huge.- over 40%. Tourism contributes more than construction. |
Posted By: Kilt2
Date Posted: March 01 2014 at 8:02pm
In the public sector Chinese local government debt has risen 67% to $3 trillion. According to Robert Samuelson, “local debt now equals about 33 percent of China’s economy up from 10 percent in 2008 and almost nothing in 1997.” Most of the local debt is from financing new infrastructure such as roads and bridges and from building new cities notoriously known as “ghost cities” constructed of commercial buildings that sit empty and uninhabited apartments. Tao Wang of UBS (a Swiss global financial services company) believes “dependence on this investment spending poses a dilemma for China.” If localities cut spending, the economy would be severely weakened. If localities keep spending at the same rate, localities could face default.http://www.houghtonstar.com/2014/03/01/china-a-falling-star/ - The Houghton Star-10 hours agoShareDespite its reputation as an economic powerhouse, Chinese economic and ... “Fears about the slowing Chinese economy, a potential propertybubble and ... ------------- And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. |
Posted By: CRS, DrPH
Date Posted: March 01 2014 at 10:51pm
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This is some new construction I saw in China several years ago. I couldn't believe how many of these things they were building! My guess is that they are apartments for rural migrants who are flocking to urban centers, looking for manufacturing jobs. Typical Communist housing, when the elevators break, you'll have to haul your live duck and 50 lb bag of rice up the stairs to your residential flat. 
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Posted By: Kilt2
Date Posted: March 02 2014 at 3:37pm
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Ghost cities everywhere with nobody living there. Its musical chairs. they are building and building and can't afford to stop. ------------- And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 02 2014 at 5:48pm
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Another viewpoint... URL:https://globalconnections.hsbc.com/us/en/articles/chinas-ghost-cities |
Posted By: CRS, DrPH
Date Posted: March 02 2014 at 10:16pm
Thanks, good stuff! I live in Chicago, travel internationally & am used to big cities....I'm a self-professed "skyscraper freak" ! Even so, the skyline of Shanghai, China knocked me back....check this article out: http://apps.chicagotribune.com/news/chicago-architecture-in-china/ - http://apps.chicagotribune.com/news/chicago-architecture-in-china/ ------------- CRS, DrPH |
Posted By: Kilt2
Date Posted: March 03 2014 at 3:31pm
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The point is China is a Bubble and when it bursts will be felt all around the globe. The Influenza viruses H2N2, H3N2, H5N1 and H7N9 with many more to come, all originate from China and all have or potentially will bring death to this planet on an industrial scale. The influenza pandemics are most likely to originate in China. China is a Death Star. ------------- And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 03 2014 at 4:41pm
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SUMMARY The country’s economy is now slowing, but the significance of this is not well understood. "In the throes of crisis, generalisation is the norm; in the end, however, it pays to differentiate. Unlike the deficit-prone emerging economies that are now in trouble—whose imbalances are strikingly reminiscent of those in the Asian economies that were hit by the late-90s financial crisis—China runs a current-account surplus. As a result, there is no risk of portfolio outflows resulting from the Fed’s tapering of its monthly asset purchases. And, of course, China’s outsize backstop of $3.8 trillion in foreign-exchange reserves provides ample insurance in the event of intensified financial contagion. Yes, China’s economy is now slowing; but the significance of this is not well understood. The downturn has nothing to do with problems in other emerging economies; in fact, it is a welcome development. It is neither desirable nor feasible for China to return to the trajectory of 10% annual growth that it achieved in the three decades after 1980. ... For a growth-starved US economy, the transformation of its codependent partner could well be a fork in the road. One path is quite risky: If America remains stuck in its under-saving ways but finds itself without Chinese goods and capital, it will suffer higher inflation, rising interest rates, and a weaker dollar. The other path holds great opportunity: America can adopt a new growth strategy—moving away from excess consumption toward a model based on saving and investing in people, infrastructure, and capacity. In doing so, the US could draw support from exports, especially to a rebalanced China—currently its third-largest and fastest-growing major export market. Compared with other emerging economies, China is cut from a different cloth. China emerged from the late-90s Asian financial crisis as the region’s most resilient economy, and I suspect the same will be true this time. Differentiation matters—for China, Asia, and the rest of the global economy." Nn The author is a faculty member at Yale University and former Chairman of Morgan Stanley Asia http://www.financialexpress.com/news/column-china-s-growth-puzzle/1230585/1 |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 03 2014 at 5:15pm
What a great article! It really does highlight how complex China is in a balanced, well thought out way. I too love architecture and especially love your beautiful city of Chicago. No where in North American is it more evident what results when a city values both art and architecture. It helps of course to have world class schools in each! I have spent a fair bit of time in China as well, most recently being 5 weeks in October early November of 2013. Managing a country with that kind of population is cumbersome at best and there is no question it has been plagued by false starts and about faces as they struggle to improve living conditions on one hand but often getting it wrong. They are plaqued by generations of abundant population and scarce resources. I think some of the rush to build perhaps results from that? I'm not sure what the answer is just that this is indeed a country experiencing monumental change in a very short period of time. It remains though, a wonderful place with good people just like most places on earth. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 03 2014 at 5:34pm
Here is the other part of the same article... Context is everything "Here’s something to watch in 2014: China’s debt. Although the odds of a full-blown financial crisis are slim, they’re not non-existent. The flash point is the burgeoning debt of Chinese localities to finance major infrastructure — roads, bridges, water and sewer systems, subways, telecommunications networks — as well as housing and commercial real estate developments. The fear is that revenues from these projects won’t be adequate to repay the loans, resulting in defaults that undermine confidence and trigger bank runs. This would surely rattle the broader global economy.... Meanwhile, he doubts the existing debts will cause a financial crisis. He points out that China’s overall government debt — combining the amounts for the local and central governments — compares favorably with most major countries. In mid-2013, China’s debt was 56 percent of GDP, estimates Wang. By contrast, U.S. federal, state and local debt was about 100 percent of GDP in 2010, according to calculations by Lardy’s colleague, Ryan Rutkowski." |
Posted By: Kilt2
Date Posted: March 03 2014 at 6:13pm
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Posted By: Kilt2
Date Posted: March 03 2014 at 6:25pm
http://www.businesstimes.com.sg/specials/property/china-property-trusts-face-rising-default-risks-20140304 - - default risks Business Times (subscription)-5 hours ago https://news.google.com/news?ncl=duk-akWl6r5PmtMCg1cP0wWZZp_PM&q=china+default&lr=English&hl=en&sa=X&ei=4TgVU476O4TFkwWggIEg&ved=0CCoQqgIwAA -
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 03 2014 at 7:08pm
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For clarity... This is a google news search using the words 'China' and 'Default'. These are the only 4 news sources reporting on the same story. This is quite a narrow set of search parameters. A broader viewpoint is certainly available. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 03 2014 at 7:25pm
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A more 'neutral' search criteria that includes 'China' and 'economic outlook' yields something quite different- China Record Credit Growth Boosts Outlook for Economy Bloomberg - Feb 16, 2014 China's Record New Credit Boosts Outlook for Growth in 2014 San Francisco Chronicle - Feb 17, 2014 Asia stocks rally, dollar slips as emerging market fears ebb MSN Money - Feb 16, 2014 China's Trust Assets Rise, Group Says NASDAQ - Feb 13, 2014 all 187 news sources |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 03 2014 at 7:59pm
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My point here isn't that I am right and Kilt is wrong. I think the news articles he posts are valid and worthy of consideration. There is a less gloomy point of view however, that is equally valid and deserving of consideration. The problems facing our world, IMO, are not the sole responsibility of one country. There is no one country that can be pointed to as The Death Star. We all are or have contributed in one way or another. It is unfortunate that unbridled western consumerism has been promoted as being so desirable for so long. It has been made to seem so attractive that we shouldn't be surprised when third world and emerging markets are easily convinced of it's dubious value. Indeed many of our corporate interests have spent fortunes promoting that lifestyle. |
Posted By: Kilt2
Date Posted: March 03 2014 at 8:04pm
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China is a Bubble in the process of bursting. My point is you are a troll. So many bad things have come out of China and now a threat to the economy from their Bubble. Possibly the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic. The 1956 H2N2 Asian Flu pandemic came from China. The 1967 H3N2 Hong Kong Flu pandemic came from China. SARS came from China. The H5N1 virus comes from China. The H7N9 virus comes from China. There are more, but death to millions from these viruses all came from China. And now the economy is in trouble. China is a Death Star. Now Saskabush - back off and go annoy someone else. ------------- And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 03 2014 at 9:12pm
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Saskabush I appreciate the balanced view always. Thank you |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 03 2014 at 9:19pm
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I appreciate knowing that others do... Can get a little lonely on this thread!!! Again, I'm not seeking to hijack thread although I do admit my emotions sometimes get the most of me and I have posted unflattering comments that have resulted from my outrage... I have turned over a new leaf and only hope to present a bit of a differing opinion. |
Posted By: Kilt2
Date Posted: March 03 2014 at 9:25pm
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once a troll always a troll what is it with Canadians? ------------- And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. |