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Subject: More Americans support Trump's impeachment
Date Posted: May 19 2017 at 1:46pm

More Americans support Trump's impeachment than oppose it for first time, poll finds

The striking results come after Mr Trump dismissed his FBI director without warning

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More Americans support impeaching President  http://www.independent.co.uk/topic/donaldtrump" rel="nofollow">Donald Trump  than oppose it, a new poll shows.

The poll, conducted by Democratic polling company Public Policy Polling, found that 48 per cent supported such a move, while 41 per cent opposed it.

http://teads.tv/inread-outstream/" rel="nofollow - The same poll found Americans were evenly divided on the issue just three months before. 

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Donald Trump's approval rating plummets after James Comey sacking

Researchers surveyed voters between 12 and 14 May – after Mr Trump's surprising dismissal of FBI director  http://www.independent.co.uk/topic/james-comey" rel="nofollow - James Comey , but before revelations from the Washington Post that the president had reportedly shared classified information with Russian officials. 

Mr Comey's firing sparked concern from both Democrats and Republicans concerning the FBI's ongoing investigation into possible Trump campaign ties to Russia. Mr Trump's approval rating slumped to its lowest point in two months in the wake of the firing, according to  http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-approval-ratings-drop-us-president-james-comey-firing-fbi-director-a7738316.html" rel="nofollow - Gallup daily tracking . The majority of Americans – 57 per cent – now say they are not happy with Mr Trump's performance. 

Only 37 per cent of Americans say they support Mr Comey's firing, compared to 48 per cent who oppose it. 

The biggest names involved in the Trump-Russia investigation

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      At least 12 Democratic members of Congress have called for Mr Trump's impeachment since his inauguration. Harvard Law professor  http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-impeachment-comey-firing-president-harvard-law-professor-a7736971.html" rel="nofollow - Laurence Tribe  has also argued for such a move, writing in the Washington Post that the firing of Mr Comey marks an "obvious effort to interfere with a probe involving national security matters".

      http://independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-impeachment-us-president-question-when-robert-reich-labor-secretary-republicans-a7737996.html" rel="nofollow - Robert Reich , former labour secretary under President Bill Clinton, has argued that Mr Comey's firing amounts to an "impeachable offence". 

      "The question is no longer whether there are grounds to impeach Donald Trump," he wrote in a column for Newsweek. "It is when enough Republicans will put their loyalty to America ahead of their loyalty to their party."

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      Public Policy Polling found voters' discontent extends to Republicans in Congress, where Democrats have an 11-point lead in a generic Congressional ballot. Democrats lead Republicans by an average of almost seven points across 15 national polls. according to RealClearPolitics.

      The polling firm attributes this downswing in Republican popularity to the widely disliked American Health Care Act, which narrowly passed a House vote this month. Only a quarter of voters say they support the bill, compared to 52 per cent who oppose it. 

      The bill is expected to undergo substantial changes when it moves to a Senate vote. 

      Public Policy Polling was ranked by the Wall Street Journal as one of the most accurate polling firms in 2008, but – like many national polls – significantly underestimated Mr Trump's lead in key swing states in the 2016 election.

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      Posted By: carbon20
      Date Posted: May 19 2017 at 2:02pm

      Trump: Firing FBI chief 'eased pressure'

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        A close-up of Donald TrumpImage copyrightAFPImage captionMr Trump reportedly called the former FBI chief a "real nut job"


      Posted By: Satori
      Date Posted: May 19 2017 at 2:04pm
      news coming out now about a SENIOR official ,unnamed so far, actually at the White House who is being investigated
      AND
      VP Pence's name is popping up over an d over,and NOT in a good way
      he's now being implicated


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      Posted By: carbon20
      Date Posted: May 19 2017 at 2:05pm

      Is Mike Pence distancing himself from Trump?

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      Posted By: EdwinSm,
      Date Posted: May 19 2017 at 10:16pm
      As a thought experiment I wonder if it would be in the Democrat's interest to impeach Trump.

      Right now Trump seems to be making such a mess of things and as such has difficulty in getting his agenda passed.  If Pence were to be in Trump's place would he have a smoother working relationship with the Republicans in Congress and Senate, and so be able to advance the general Republican line?

      Will we see two hashtags #republicansforimpeachemt  and #democratsagainstimpeachment  ?





      ps. I heard a new conspiracy theory yesterdayWink.  Trump is a plant of The Washington Post and CBS and other news outlets to help increase their circulation with all the stories about the outrageous things he says and does.


      Posted By: Guests
      Date Posted: May 20 2017 at 6:03pm
      Dang, give it a rest folks! What happens when Trump is cleared or the "investigation" goes on for 3 years. Clinton was re-elected and White Water was going on!

      Liberals just get a hold of yourselves. Many of us did not like Obama but we took it! Grow Up!


      Posted By: Albert
      Date Posted: May 21 2017 at 5:49am
      I tend to agree with Flumom.  Many people are saying Trump has made a mess of things and has screwed things up, but I'm yet to see anything he has done wrong as of yet.  Keep in mind that crazy Hillary is running again in 2020, and as apart of her campaigning that has begun, she is not only spearheading "the resistance" and dividing this country, but she is behind most problems with a lot of misinformation.  I voted Trump, but I won't follow anyone off a cliff.  If he messes up, I will personally be the first to call him out on BS. But so far, haven't seen it.  I also voted for Obama his first term, and his second term he turned to crap.   

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      Posted By: Technophobe
      Date Posted: May 21 2017 at 4:45pm
      I beg to differ, Boss.  I think he has been caught out lying - big time, repeatedly.  

      I think sacking Comey was the right thing to do: but his timing, you must admit, looks terrible.

      White house business is far too important to indulge in nepotisim or repeated tweets. Tweets?- songbirds could not keep up!  'And The White House looks like a family business.

      I agree with you about Hilary though.

      Heigh ho!.................'Rock and a hard place.


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      Posted By: Albert
      Date Posted: May 21 2017 at 7:21pm
      LOL

      Who knows where it's all headed.  I only know to not get involved on these type of threads.  Embarrassed




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      Posted By: carbon20
      Date Posted: May 21 2017 at 8:18pm
      I don't think anyone in public office should be on any social media,it demeans that office,we can only hope it does get better,trump has not instilled any confidence ,he seems to change his mind and stories at the drop of a hat people down here think he's a Joke,just hope he starts earning the respect of the world....

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      Posted By: Technophobe
      Date Posted: May 22 2017 at 12:11am
      More agreement!  Now I've started, I can't stopWacko

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      Posted By: Satori
      Date Posted: May 22 2017 at 6:18am
      just a little bit of what we know so far

      now being reported White House lawyers are reading up on IMPEACHMENT :lol:

      Trump actively looking for "outside counsel" :lol:

      European journalists with more info on Trump's shady business dealings in Europe

      Trump looking for ways to shut down the Mueller investigation

      Rachel Maddow did some fantastic investigative journalism and has now identified one of the Russians involved in all this
      and guess who he was talking to ?

      and now Pence has been caught lying multiple times and will be the TARGET of an investigation
      as will Jared Kushner

      Trump,not even in office 4 months and already members of his own party are talking IMPEACHMENT

      SENIOR White House official (name unknown) now being investigated

      questions

      1)why was ANYONE from Trump's campaign emailing,telephoning and actually visiting Russians in Moscow ???
      2)WHO exactly were they talking to ???
      3)why did ALL of Trump's people LIE about this ? and the ALL LIED
      Lendowski,Page,Banafort,Kushner ???


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      Posted By: Technophobe
      Date Posted: May 22 2017 at 6:34am
      Trying to look at it from the point of view of other Republicans: It seems to me that, distancing oneself from Trump BEFORE impeachment helps to preserve one's own reputation.  Therefore, joining the calls for same is a safety-measure and not a specific indication of perceived guilt.  

      I think him guilty, but that is just my opinion.  I have long believed that the way to tell if ANY politician is lying is to check if their lips or pen are moving.

      There does have to be at least a solid chance of guilt before your own party's members start calling out for charges, but this is not a certainty.  Everyone, even Trump, deserves to be innocent until PROVEN guilty.


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      Posted By: Satori
      Date Posted: May 22 2017 at 8:02am
      I have been doing some research into Trump "behind closed doors"
      his upbringing,his life before becoming a politician etc
      and if you think his public persona is bad
      you ain't seen NOTHING yet

      he is a real piece of work let me tell you
      a real piece of NASTY work
      without question one of the most dysfunctional human being you will ever come across
      he is,in my  opinion,from what I have come across so far
      a VERY psychologically DAMAGED individual

      it absolutely terrifies me that he is the leader of the free world
      what have we done???


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      Posted By: Satori
      Date Posted: May 22 2017 at 8:13am
      Michael Flynn To Plead The Fifth And Refuse To Cooperate With Senate Russia Probe

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/michael-flynn-senate-intelligence_us_5922ea65e4b03b485cb33b4a?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009" rel="nofollow - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mic ... mg00000009

      first Carter Page refuses to testify
      and now Flynn

      yeah nothing to see here :roll:
      move along

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      Posted By: debg
      Date Posted: May 22 2017 at 11:15am
      I thought this site was for flu/disease news and outbreaks. I guess I'm shocked by the amount of political agendas on here that have NOTHING to do with avian flu or ebola, etc.  Please give it a rest. There are plenty of other sites to go to to read/vent about politics. Unless Trump is now spreading Ebola, I really don't see this stuff belongs on here. I realize there are no "rules" to posting, but I would appreciate being able to get relevant information on diseases - not people's opinions on what the Trumps are doing today.


      Posted By: Technophobe
      Date Posted: May 22 2017 at 11:32am
      You are correct that politics are not the main purpose of this site.  But, we do look at other threats as well.  (I guess, we are all closet preppers and some see Trump as a threat.)  So, that explains the politics which stem from our perceptions of threats.

      That aside,this whole thread probably belongs in "The Dungeon" and you are well within your rights to complain.

      We could consign the thread there if enough people want it moved.

      Any other takers?


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      Posted By: arirish
      Date Posted: May 22 2017 at 11:53am
      It should at least be moved to off topic. I'm enjoying the discussion!

      #democratsagainstimpeachment

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      Posted By: carbon20
      Date Posted: May 22 2017 at 2:00pm
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        Four months in, it's fair to say the Trump administration is in trouble. A special counsel has been appointed to look into potential criminal wrongdoing by the President and members of his team. Congressional hearings are ramping up, with fired FBI director James Comey slated to offer public testimony later this week. Americans have heard more about Watergate in the past two weeks than any time since Richard Nixon resigned.

        Talk of impeachment, while rampant, is premature. But we can start to draw some conclusions about Trump's shortcomings as commander-in-chief. He ran on his business and leadership credentials, promising to run the country like he ran his real estate empire. It turns out that Trump's leadership skills are better suited to reality television than the White House. In fact, the failures of Trump's first few months suggest the very notion that the government should be run by a CEO should be retired.

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        Before his presidential run, Trump's claim to fame was his ability to hire and fire people. His hit television show The Apprentice was a jazzed-up job interview; his tagline "You're fired" a decisive dismissal. So it's ironic that the future of his presidency may hang on his decision to hire one man and fire another.

        When Trump teamed with Michael Flynn, a retired general who had been pushed out of the Obama administration, the partnership raised eyebrows. After all, Flynn had  https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.politifact.com_truth-2Do-2Dmeter_article_2017_feb_14_michael-2Dflynns-2Dtroubling-2Dpenchant-2Dconspiracy-2Dthoer_&d=DwMFaQ&c=N9aEhCy8U0rJkO1xCZf7rgM9fohfR5qe_N93viZd7O8&r=PcI2Naoovh6KGAjbK9RNrQl2eXIB06ayCLH94AknaDo&m=MJNmnr8f2QECbc-v31VlMJNZ71DHjpLL0bgv1U9-SCM&s=DJV8LSRrxmsSl-EWVXdTqHXlFu3goI2qgp9N1LnTa6w&e=" rel="nofollow - a penchant for the conspiratorial , tweeting that Hillary Clinton was involved in a paedophile ring and arguing that Democrats were trying to institute sharia law in America. But it was the decision to make Flynn the national security advisor that raised serious concerns about Trump's ability to hire the right people.



        Youre fired!: Donald Trump while host of The Celebrity Apprentice in 2015.'You're fired!': Donald Trump while host of The Celebrity Apprentice in 2015.  Photo: AP

        Recent revelations show the choice of Flynn was even more alarming than it initially seemed. At the time Flynn was appointed, Trump and others in the administration knew he was a foreign agent working for Turkey and that he was under federal investigation. Trump appointed him anyway. It's hard to imagine a more willfully negligent hiring decision.

        But if hiring Flynn was a dereliction of duty, firing James Comey was an abuse of power. FBI directors are appointed to 10-year terms as a way of insulating them from electoral politics. The president has a right to fire the director – Bill Clinton fired an FBI director caught up in a series of financial and ethical scandals – but the reason for the firing matters. A lot.

        No one has seemed particularly surprised that Trump would try to obstruct the FBI's investigation. But they do seem surprised that he so readily admitted it. Understanding Trump's CEO-like approach to politics helps clarify why he did. Trump defines leadership as calling the shots. The power to hire and fire, to ignore aides' advice, to be the decider – that's what it means to be the boss.The administration has cycled through a number of possible excuses for Comey's firing, but it was Trump who twice explained why he did it: Comey's persistence in investigating Russian interference in the 2016 election. And firing the FBI director in order to stop an investigation cuts remarkably close to obstruction of justice.

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        James Comey was leading an investigation into links between Donald Trump and Russia when he was sacked.James Comey was leading an investigation into links between Donald Trump and Russia when he was sacked.  Photo: AP

        And in business, that's more or less true. Getting rid of a problem employee is one way of getting rid of a problem. Fire Flynn, fire Comey, and the Russia issue goes away.

        In government, it doesn't work that way. The inspector can't be bought off. The case can't be settled out of court. You can't declare bankruptcy and cut your losses. Bad decisions have serious consequences.

        Michael Flynn was forced to quit as national security adviser over leaked phone conversations regarding the United ...Michael Flynn was forced to quit as national security adviser over leaked phone conversations regarding the United States' relationship with Russia. Photo: AP

        Again and again during his time in office, Trump has run up against the limits of his art-of-the-deal approach to politics in a way that suggests a CEO makes a poor commander-in-chief. In addition to his other shortcomings, Trump doesn't know the politics business. He doesn't know the rules, doesn't know the people, doesn't know the institutions. Trying to build support for healthcare repeal, Trump managed to  https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.politico.com_magazine_story_2017_03_obamacare-2Dvote-2Dpaul-2Dryan-2Dhealth-2Dcare-2Dahca-2Dreplacement-2Dfailure-2Dtrump-2D214947&d=DwMFaQ&c=N9aEhCy8U0rJkO1xCZf7rgM9fohfR5qe_N93viZd7O8&r=PcI2Naoovh6KGAjbK9RNrQl2eXIB06ayCLH94AknaDo&m=MJNmnr8f2QECbc-v31VlMJNZ71DHjpLL0bgv1U9-SCM&s=lDPWBc9JZitXSdkUTsTJvk4W37GzCE3saTBUuBEJ5PU&e=" rel="nofollow - alienate his allies  because he didn't understand the relationships or interests involved.

        People succeed in business because they understand an industry. They master a subject, learn the difference between theory and practice, and then they roll the dice, taking risks that shatter expectations.

        And while Trump's break-the-rules approach appeals to many of his supporters, the rules he's breaking come with heavy penalties. The investigations into Russia's interference in the election have, thus far, yielded no evidence of collusion with Trump.

        Yet Trump has created a situation in which the cover-up is the crime. Every account of the unfolding crisis within the administration indicates that neither Trump nor his advisers understood that firing Comey could have political and legal consequences. That's the problem with outsiders running government. You need some insiders to tell you where the landmines are.

        The broad frustration with political insiders and ossified establishments is understandable. But the Trump administration shows us what happens when specific expertise is replaced by general ignorance. It goes badly, both for the president and the people he's there to serve.

        Nicole Hemmer is a Fairfax Media columnist.




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      Posted By: carbon20
      Date Posted: May 22 2017 at 2:26pm
      hi all  i realise that some dont like these posts about Trump,

      But ....  

      they are Opinions from our press down here ,

      this is how we see Trump,

       dont you think its right to here it from your Best Friend one that ,

      HAS ALWAY STOOD BY YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!

      Albert said "i would not throw anyone off a cliff"

      Fair enough....

      only, there comes a time when you have to cut the man dragging you over that cliff free......

      to save the rest........

      From here them rocks below look very sharp and nasty.......

      its funny it must touch a nerve ,

      as other posts never get told , not to post ,or that not relevant....

       maybe i should have posted in General discussion......sorry!!

      the moral is if you dont like the post 

      DONT READ IT OR GET INVOLVED IN THE THREAD.....

      just put your head in the sand and hope its a 

      BAD NIGHTMARE...........................

      Wink

      ps.    BILLIONS OF ARMS TO THE SAUDIS,  where do you think they will end up

      .....pointing at our troopers..........

                                                           WAKE UP......








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      Marcus Aurelius


      Posted By: Satori
      Date Posted: May 22 2017 at 5:30pm
      for someone who so loudly proclaims their innocence
      Trump is certainly doing everything a GUILTY man would do
      isn't he ?
      MORE attempts to cover up

      Two U.S. Intelligence officials say Trump inappropriately asked them to deny evidence of collusion

      http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/5/22/1665031/-Two-U-S-Intelligence-officials-say-Trump-inappropriately-asked-them-to-deny-evidence-of-collusion" rel="nofollow - http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/5/ ... -collusion

      "Donald Trump was reportedly so upset about James Comey’s testimony before the Senate Intelligence Committee that he sought out senior intelligence officials and tried to pressure them to ”publicly deny the existence of any evidence of collusion during the 2016 election”. From the Washington Post:"

      "

      Trump made separate appeals to the director of national intelligence, Daniel Coats, and to Adm. Michael S. Rogers, the director of the National Security Agency, urging them to publicly deny the existence of any evidence of collusion during the 2016 election.

      Coats and Rogers refused to comply with the requests, which they both deemed to be inappropriate, according to two current and two former officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss private communications with the president

      Like Comey, Rogers took and shared extensive notes on the conversation:

      Trump’s conversation with Rogers was documented contemporaneously in an internal memo written by a senior NSA official, according to the officials. It is unclear if a similar memo was prepared by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence to document Trump’s conversation with Coats. Officials said such memos could be made available to both the special counsel now overseeing the Russia investigation and congressional investigators, who might explore whether Trump sought to impede the FBI’s work.

      At a minimum, the case for obstructing justice appears to be getting stronger by the minute. "

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      Posted By: Satori
      Date Posted: May 22 2017 at 6:29pm
      Flynn lied to Pentagon officials about his Russia contacts

      http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/5/22/1665054/-Flynn-lied-to-Pentagon-officials-about-his-Russia-contacts" rel="nofollow - http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/5/ ... a-contacts

      "

      Mr. Flynn, who resigned 24 days into the Trump administration, told investigators in February 2016 that he had received no income from foreign companies and had only “insubstantial contact” with foreign nationals, according to the letter. In fact, Mr. Flynn had sat two months earlier beside President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia at a Moscow gala for RT, the Kremlin-financed television network, which paid Mr. Flynn more than $45,000 to attend the event and give a separate speech.

      His failure to make those disclosures and his apparent attempt to mislead the Pentagon could put Mr. Flynn in further legal jeopardy. Intentionally lying to federal investigators is a felony punishable by up to five years in prison. Separately, he also faces legal questions over failing to properly register as a foreign agent for lobbying he did last year on behalf of Turkey while advising the Trump campaign, which is also a felony. [...]

      It now appears that Mr. Flynn was not forthcoming about foreign payments during two separate reviews of his security clearance: the standard five-year renewal that took place early last year after he was already retired, and a more recent and more thorough review that took place after he was named national security adviser, a role in which he had access to almost all American intelligence."
      ""We need to know what the President, Vice President, White House Counsel and other top officials knew about General Flynn—and when they knew it.”



      WHAT DID THEY KNOW AND WHEN DID THEY KNOW IT ?
      shades of Watergate don't ya think ? :lol:

      ticky tocky ticky tocky Mr Trump

      you ARE going DOWN

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