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Can hurricanes destroy the US ?

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Topic: Can hurricanes destroy the US ?
Posted By: Dutch Josh
Subject: Can hurricanes destroy the US ?
Date Posted: September 02 2017 at 1:08am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KedPdSH636E" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KedPdSH636E Some models predicting hurricane Irma hitting New York september 11 as a category 5. http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/world-news/1169-computer-model-shows-irma-destroying-new-york-city-nj-on-sept-10" rel="nofollow - http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/world-news/1169-computer-model-shows-irma-destroying-new-york-city-nj-on-sept-10

Harvey did serious damage to Texas http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-01/arkema-texas-plant-explodes-causing-massive-fire-black-smoke-fills-air" rel="nofollow - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-01/arkema-texas-plant-explodes-causing-massive-fire-black-smoke-fills-air . US oil/petrol production is seriously effected (-16% production for the US ?) Long term damage will put-for the moment-Harvey on top of the list of most damaging disasters. https://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/top-5-most-expensive-natural-d/47459" rel="nofollow - https://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/top-5-most-expensive-natural-d/47459 . (DJ; it is impossible to put a precise price-ticket on a disaster. The 2011 Japan earthquake/tsunami caused Fukushima. That disaster is still ongoing. Harvey is already estimated to be a 190 billion disaster. When you include cleaning up chemical damage, desinvestments etc. the costs will further increase.)

The US economy is already very much debt-based. The US is fighting several wars around the globe trying to stay "the only (military) superpower". Economicaly the world is already multi-polar. 

The US is political divided, has been neglecting its infra-structure for decades. Fracking did increase earthquake risks. 

On that bases;

-hurricanes can destroy critical infrastructure ((rail)roads, shipping, electricity etc.)
-the capacity to deal with several hurricanes doing damage over a 100 billion dollar is not there. 

Does that mean "the end of the US" ? No ! Foreign nations will come to the rescue ! But all things have their price. Hurricanes could end the US as "the only superpower". 

More than 50% of the world-population live in (Eur)Asia. China-Russia-Iran-Pakistan (CRIP) are very much involved in a "New Silk Road" wich puts China in the global centre in stead of the US. 

On the longer term climate change may make this planet uninhabitable for live. That problem needs to be solved with very much urgency !


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Que sera, sera, Whatever will be, will be, The future is not ours to see, Que sera, sera !



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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 02 2017 at 1:33am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfHKbGAL_sE" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfHKbGAL_sE BP Earthwatch following the hurricanes in the Atlantic 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Atlantic_hurricane_season" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Atlantic_hurricane_season  

Although it is not possible to forcast weather that much in the future sea-surface-temperature (SST) is high giving potential for strong hurricanes. It is possible to make models. Those models will effect human actions. 

It will effect stock-exchange to tourism. Plans to invest in regions to investments in "fossil fuels". 

Can the US start a major conflict in Korea while there are these kind of disasters unfolding in the US ? 

Climate reanalyzer (University of Maine): http://cci-reanalyzer.org/wx/fcst/#GFS-025deg.NATLAN-LEA.WS10" rel="nofollow - http://cci-reanalyzer.org/wx/fcst/#GFS-025deg.NATLAN-LEA.WS10 (green=180 km/h+ winds !!!)

A reminder: a cubic metre of water=1000 kilograms. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_wave" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_wave the amount of damage waves can bring depend on a lot of factors. 

(Worst case scenario could be waves bulldozing the US east coast. Waves over 50 feet moving tons of water at high speed will destroy everything in its path. ) 


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Que sera, sera, Whatever will be, will be, The future is not ours to see, Que sera, sera !


Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 02 2017 at 2:44am
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Category_5_Atlantic_hurricanes" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Category_5_Atlantic_hurricanes  

You would expect a sharp increase of cat.5 hurricanes due to climate change. But cat.5 still is uncommon. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saffir%E2%80%93Simpson_scale" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saffir%E2%80%93Simpson_scale

Category 5[ https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Saffir%E2%80%93Simpson_scale&action=edit&section=7" rel="nofollow - edit ]

Category 5
Sustained windsExample
≥ 70 m/s
≥ 137 kn
≥ 252 km/h
≥ 157 mph
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Felix_from_ISS_03_sept_2007_1138Z.jpg" rel="nofollow">Felix from ISS 03 sept 2007 1138Z.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Felix" rel="nofollow - Felix  near peak intensity
See also:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Category_5_Atlantic_hurricanes" rel="nofollow - List of Category 5 Atlantic hurricanes  and  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Category_5_Pacific_hurricanes" rel="nofollow - List of Category 5 Pacific hurricanes

Catastrophic damage will occur

Category 5 is the highest category of the Saffir–Simpson scale. These storms cause complete roof failure on many residences and industrial buildings, and some complete building failures with small utility buildings blown over or away. Collapse of many wide-span roofs and walls, especially those with no interior supports, is common. Very heavy and irreparable damage to many wood frame structures and total destruction to mobile/manufactured homes is prevalent. Only a few types of structures are capable of surviving intact, and only if located at least 3 to 5 miles (5 to 8 km) inland. They include office, condominium and apartment buildings and hotels that are of solid concrete or steel frame construction, public multi-story concrete parking garages, and residences that are made of either reinforced brick or  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concrete" rel="nofollow - concrete / https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cement" rel="nofollow - cement  block and have  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hip_roof" rel="nofollow - hipped roofs  with slopes of no less than 35 degrees from horizontal and no overhangs of any kind, and if the windows are either made of hurricane-resistant safety glass or covered with shutters. Unless all of these requirements are met, the absolute destruction of a structure is certain. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saffir%E2%80%93Simpson_scale#cite_note-NHC_SSHS-5" rel="nofollow - [5]

The storm's flooding causes major damage to the lower floors of all structures near the shoreline, and many coastal structures can be completely flattened or washed away by the storm surge. Virtually all trees are uprooted or snapped and some may be debarked, isolating most communities impacted. Massive  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_evacuation" rel="nofollow - evacuation  of residential areas may be required if the hurricane threatens populated areas. Total and extremely long-lived power outages and water losses are to be expected, possibly for up to several months. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saffir%E2%80%93Simpson_scale#cite_note-NHC_SSHS-5" rel="nofollow - [5]

Historical examples of storms that made landfall at Category 5 status include:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1924_Cuba_hurricane" rel="nofollow - "Cuba"  (1924),  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1928_Okeechobee_hurricane" rel="nofollow - "Okeechobee"  (1928),  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1932_Bahamas_hurricane" rel="nofollow - "Bahamas"  (1932),  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1933_Cuba%E2%80%93Brownsville_hurricane" rel="nofollow - "Cuba–Brownsville"  (1933),  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1935_Labor_Day_hurricane" rel="nofollow - "Labor Day"  (1935),  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Janet" rel="nofollow - Janet  (1955),  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Camille" rel="nofollow - Camille (1969),  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Edith_%281971%29" rel="nofollow - Edith  (1971),  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Anita" rel="nofollow - Anita  (1977),  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_David" rel="nofollow - David  (1979),  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Gilbert" rel="nofollow - Gilbert  (1988),  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Andrew" rel="nofollow - Andrew  (1992),  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Dean" rel="nofollow - Dean  (2007), and  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Felix" rel="nofollow - Felix  (2007). No Category 5 hurricane is known to have made landfall as such in the eastern Pacific basin.

Should a "Category 6" be introduced?[ https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Saffir%E2%80%93Simpson_scale&action=edit&section=9" rel="nofollow - edit ]

After the series of powerful storm systems of the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Atlantic_hurricane_season" rel="nofollow - 2005 Atlantic hurricane season , a few newspaper columnists and scientists brought up the suggestion of introducing Category 6, and they have suggested pegging Category 6 to storms with winds greater than 174 or 180 mph (78 or 80 m/s; 151 or 156 kn; 280 or 290 km/h). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saffir%E2%80%93Simpson_scale#cite_note-LiveScience-7" rel="nofollow - [7] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saffir%E2%80%93Simpson_scale#cite_note-15" rel="nofollow - [15]  Only a few storms of this intensity have been recorded. Of the 31 hurricanes currently considered to have attained Category 5 status in the Atlantic, only 16 had wind speeds at 175 mph (78 m/s; 152 kn; 282 km/h) or greater and only 6 had wind speeds at 180 mph (80 m/s; 160 kn; 290 km/h) or greater. Of the 15 hurricanes currently considered to have attained Category 5 status in the eastern Pacific, only five had wind speeds at 175 mph (78 m/s; 152 kn; 282 km/h) or greater ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1959_Pacific_hurricane_season#Hurricane_Patsy" rel="nofollow - Patsy ,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_John_%281994%29" rel="nofollow - John ,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Linda_%281997%29" rel="nofollow - Linda ,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Rick_%282009%29" rel="nofollow - Rick  and  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Patricia" rel="nofollow - Patricia ), and only three had wind speeds at 180 mph (80 m/s; 160 kn; 290 km/h) or greater (Linda, Rick and Patricia). However, most storms which would be eligible for this category were  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoon" rel="nofollow - typhoons  in the western Pacific, most notably  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoon_Tip" rel="nofollow - Typhoon Tip  in 1979 with sustained winds of 190 mph (310 km/h) and typhoons  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoon_Haiyan" rel="nofollow - Haiyan  and  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoon_Meranti" rel="nofollow - Meranti  in 2013 and 2016, respectively, with sustained winds of 195 mph (314 km/h). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saffir%E2%80%93Simpson_scale#cite_note-16" rel="nofollow - [16]

According to  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Simpson_%28meteorologist%29" rel="nofollow - Robert Simpson , there are no reasons for a Category 6 on the Saffir–Simpson Scale because it is designed to measure the potential damage of a hurricane to man-made structures. Simpson stated that "...when you get up into winds in excess of 155 mph (249 km/h) you have enough damage if that extreme wind sustains itself for as much as six seconds on a building it's going to cause rupturing damages that are serious no matter how well it's engineered



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Que sera, sera, Whatever will be, will be, The future is not ours to see, Que sera, sera !


Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 02 2017 at 2:50am
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_New_York_City" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_New_York_City

The economy of  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City" rel="nofollow - New York City  encompasses the largest  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Municipality" rel="nofollow - municipal  as well as regional economy in the United States. Anchored by  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street" rel="nofollow - Wall Street , in  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lower_Manhattan" rel="nofollow - Lower Manhattan , New York City has been characterized as the world's premier  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_center" rel="nofollow - financial center , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_New_York_City#cite_note-1" rel="nofollow - [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_New_York_City#cite_note-2" rel="nofollow - [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_New_York_City#cite_note-3" rel="nofollow - [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_New_York_City#cite_note-4" rel="nofollow - [4]  and is home to the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Stock_Exchange" rel="nofollow - New York Stock Exchange  and  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASDAQ" rel="nofollow - NASDAQ , the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_stock_exchanges" rel="nofollow - world's largest stock exchanges  by market capitalization and trading activity. In 2012, the New York City  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Metropolitan_Statistical_Areas" rel="nofollow - Metropolitan Statistical Area generated a  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_metropolitan_product" rel="nofollow - gross metropolitan product  (GMP) of over US$1.33 trillion, while the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Combined_Statistical_Areas" rel="nofollow - Combined Statistical Area https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_New_York_City#cite_note-5" rel="nofollow - [5]  produced a GMP of over US$1.55 trillion, both ranking first nationally by a wide margin and being roughly equivalent to the GDP of South Korea.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_New_York_City#cite_note-6" rel="nofollow - [6]  The city's economy accounts for the majority of the economic activity in the states of New York and New Jersey. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_New_York_City#cite_note-NYC_economy-7" rel="nofollow - [7]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan" rel="nofollow - Manhattan  is the leading center of banking, finance, and  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_media" rel="nofollow - communication  in the United States and is the location of the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Stock_Exchange" rel="nofollow - New York Stock Exchange  (NYSE) on  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street" rel="nofollow - Wall Street . Many of the world's largest corporations locate their home offices in Manhattan. Manhattan contained over 500 million square feet (46.5 million m2) of office space in 2015, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_New_York_City#cite_note-ManhattanOfficeSpace-8" rel="nofollow - [8]  making it the largest office market in the United States, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_New_York_City#cite_note-9" rel="nofollow - [9]  while  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midtown_Manhattan" rel="nofollow - Midtown Manhattan , with nearly 400 million square feet (37.2 million m2) in 2015, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_New_York_City#cite_note-ManhattanOfficeSpace-8" rel="nofollow - [8]  is the largest  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_business_district" rel="nofollow - central business district  in the world. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_New_York_City#cite_note-10" rel="nofollow - [10]  New York City is distinctive for its high concentrations of advanced service sector firms in fields such as law, accountancy, banking and management consultancy, and is the top global center for the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advertising" rel="nofollow - advertising industry , which is  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metonymy" rel="nofollow - metonymously  referred to as  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madison_Avenue#Advertising_industry" rel="nofollow - "Madison Avenue" ; while  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_Alley" rel="nofollow - Silicon Alley , metonymous for New York's broad-spectrum  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_tech" rel="nofollow - high technology  sphere, continues to expand.

The financial,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_technology" rel="nofollow - high technology ,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_estate" rel="nofollow - real estate , insurance, and health care industries form the basis of New York's economy. The city is also the most important center for mass media, journalism and publishing in the United States, and is the preeminent arts center in the country.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_industries" rel="nofollow - Creative industries  such as  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_media" rel="nofollow - digital media , advertising, fashion, design and architecture account for a growing share of employment, with New York City possessing a strong competitive advantage in these industries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_New_York_City#cite_note-11" rel="nofollow - [11]  Manufacturing, although declining, remains consequential.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_of_New_York_and_New_Jersey" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_of_New_York_and_New_Jersey


DJ; this area may be facing a "category 7" hurricane ! http://hypotheticalhurricanes.wikia.com/wiki/Category_7" rel="nofollow - http://hypotheticalhurricanes.wikia.com/wiki/Category_7


http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/local-news-nyc-nj-ct/1147-major-fuel-pipeline-supplying-new-jersey-new-york-city-new-england-shut-down" rel="nofollow - http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/local-news-nyc-nj-ct/1147-major-fuel-pipeline-supplying-new-jersey-new-york-city-new-england-shut-down



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Que sera, sera, Whatever will be, will be, The future is not ours to see, Que sera, sera !


Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 02 2017 at 10:34pm
Idaho "volcanic quakes" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St3lOLk7kqc" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St3lOLk7kqc (still going on)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JBbqvXuCT4" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JBbqvXuCT4 Irma expected to produce waves +50 feet/15 meter near Peurto Rico. Landfall near DC ? 
http://cci-reanalyzer.org/wx/fcst/#GFS-025deg.CONUS-LC2.WS10" rel="nofollow - http://cci-reanalyzer.org/wx/fcst/#GFS-025deg.CONUS-LC2.WS10

DJ: A reason to think of more scales for hurricanes than 5 is that proberbly a "5" would not flatten New York but a "7" could do that much damage. Lets hope "Irma" moves more to the east and stays on the Atlantic. A category "7" hurricane can do that much damage-when it would hit New York it could cause a global economic crisis. 

That would make giving aid to the people in India-Nepal-BanglaDesh almost impossible. You need "producers", ports, logistics to produce and get aid from point A to B. 

https://robertscribbler.com/2017/09/03/878-mb-storm-off-north-florida-the-model-forecast-for-irma-that-no-one-wants-to-see-happen/" rel="nofollow - https://robertscribbler.com/2017/09/03/878-mb-storm-off-north-florida-the-model-forecast-for-irma-that-no-one-wants-to-see-happen/  and
https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/hurricane-irma-track-towards-lesser-antilles?__prclt=qybvqPTM" rel="nofollow - https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/hurricane-irma-track-towards-lesser-antilles?__prclt=qybvqPTM


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Que sera, sera, Whatever will be, will be, The future is not ours to see, Que sera, sera !


Posted By: CRS, DrPH
Date Posted: September 03 2017 at 6:49pm
Thanks, Dutch Josh!  Great research as usual!  

In Al Gore's "Climate Reality Leadership Corps" training (I am a Mentor in his organization), Mr. Gore shows some of the old footage from "An Inconvenient Truth" movie with animation of the 9/11 Ground Zero memorial being flooded by a hurricane. 

Skeptics scoffed at this, but it did happen with the big Super Storm Sandy!  

I know Al is a controversial figure, but he seems to be making the correct assessment of where the US and planet are heading.  I never could stand the guy but came around to appreciating his viewpoint and dedication.  




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Posted By: jacksdad
Date Posted: September 03 2017 at 7:34pm
I hate to say it, but I honestly think we're screwed. As more and more evidence begins to emerge suggesting CO2 may have been replaced by methane and water vapor as the main driver of climate chance, it seems as though we've unleashed a positive feedback nightmare that we can't possibly fix. With vast reserves of trapped methane in the permafrost,  and methane hydrate deposits on the ocean floor waiting to be liberated by warming temperatures, we haven't seen anything yet.




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"Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary.


Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 03 2017 at 11:49pm
The US East-coast should be preparing for Irma now !

-What parts of the land may get flooded. What needs protection. Water flows to the lowest points-so all in the east-coast area should do their best to get the extreme amounts of water were it does the less damage !

-Evacuation may go for low lying areas-involving millions of people. When you have to evacuate that much people you need days to do so. 

-Chemical plants, industries may be requierd to stop activities, transport goods to safe areas. There should be a minimum of leakages, fires etc. when there are days before the hurricane strikes land. 

-There is good info on you-tube. Be realistic about the dangers. Sensationalism is not helping but a cat 4 or 5 hurricane in low lying areaś is a very serious risk ! Good info saves lives !

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-03/latest-projections-show-hurricane-irma-headed-southeast-florida" rel="nofollow - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-03/latest-projections-show-hurricane-irma-headed-southeast-florida DJ; Irma still could go into the Gulf-region-hit Texas or Mexico, in some scenarioś it could move north become a risk for Canada (or even Greenland !) But for the moment the US east coast most likely will be hit by a cat 3+ hurricane around sept 10 to 12.


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Que sera, sera, Whatever will be, will be, The future is not ours to see, Que sera, sera !


Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 04 2017 at 11:43am
Follow Irma-models; looks like it may move over Cuba then move north over Florida-following coastline.

https://www.ventusky.com/" rel="nofollow - https://www.ventusky.com/

http://cci-reanalyzer.org/wx/fcst/#GFS-025deg.NATLAN-LEA.WS10" rel="nofollow - http://cci-reanalyzer.org/wx/fcst/#GFS-025deg.NATLAN-LEA.WS10 and http://cci-reanalyzer.org/wx/fcst/#GFS-025deg.NATLAN-LEA.PRCP-MSLP" rel="nofollow - http://cci-reanalyzer.org/wx/fcst/#GFS-025deg.NATLAN-LEA.PRCP-MSLP give an indication of rain and wind.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5" rel="nofollow - http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5 there are two other storms developing. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGndkcdJ8RI" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGndkcdJ8RI MrMBB333 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIHKX0QcwBU" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIHKX0QcwBU BPEarthWatch give good info.


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Que sera, sera, Whatever will be, will be, The future is not ours to see, Que sera, sera !


Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 04 2017 at 8:55pm
BP EarthWatch comes with some models in wich "Irma" moves or west of Florida into the US or bounces after Florida into the Atlantic to touch the US near North Carolina...and a week later a second hurricane...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK7W9FIgi-Q" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK7W9FIgi-Q

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Andrew" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Andrew

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5" rel="nofollow - http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5  

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-04/florida-declares-state-emergency-category-4-hurricane-irma-barrels-straight-miami" rel="nofollow - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-04/florida-declares-state-emergency-category-4-hurricane-irma-barrels-straight-miami


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Que sera, sera, Whatever will be, will be, The future is not ours to see, Que sera, sera !


Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 06 2017 at 5:12am
It seems unclear-at this moment-if "Irma" will pass east-over-or west from Florida. Also wether it will be a cat.4 or 5 in strenght. But it will do very much damage-as the second strong hurricane in a month to make landfall in the US. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mcOj77AVG4" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mcOj77AVG4
https://robertscribbler.com/2017/09/05/second-strongest-atlantic-hurricane-on-record-dangerous-185-mph-irma-defies-intensity-projections/" rel="nofollow - https://robertscribbler.com/2017/09/05/second-strongest-atlantic-hurricane-on-record-dangerous-185-mph-irma-defies-intensity-projections/  

Paul Beckwith with tools for further info: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAkRxW3qwBY" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAkRxW3qwBY and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EUaOa3dzcs&t=519s" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EUaOa3dzcs&t=519s

http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/u-s-national-news/1182-hurricane-irma-has-become-so-strong-it-s-showing-up-on-seismometers-used-to-measure-earthquakes" rel="nofollow - http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/u-s-national-news/1182-hurricane-irma-has-become-so-strong-it-s-showing-up-on-seismometers-used-to-measure-earthquakes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iDmRNCY0Rw" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iDmRNCY0Rw MrMBB333
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFvWFPWUsMY" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFvWFPWUsMY BPEarthWatch (also about (Idaho)quakes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gn2Fwi0b0sg" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gn2Fwi0b0sg ) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jElDl3JOn4" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jElDl3JOn4

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5" rel="nofollow - http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5 After "Irma" "Jose" and "Katia" are on their way.


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Que sera, sera, Whatever will be, will be, The future is not ours to see, Que sera, sera !


Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 06 2017 at 7:26am
First news on "Irma" hitting islands is "not good";

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-06/devastating-hurricane-irma-flattens-most-solid-buildings-caribbean-island" rel="nofollow - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-06/devastating-hurricane-irma-flattens-most-solid-buildings-caribbean-island

https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/extremely-dangerous-cat-5-irma-storms-leeward-islands" rel="nofollow - https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/extremely-dangerous-cat-5-irma-storms-leeward-islands

https://www.rt.com/news/402151-hurricane-irma-landfall-barbuda/" rel="nofollow - https://www.rt.com/news/402151-hurricane-irma-landfall-barbuda/

http://www.miamiherald.com/" rel="nofollow - http://www.miamiherald.com/ asks http://www.miamiherald.com/news/weather/hurricane/article171485297.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.miamiherald.com/news/weather/hurricane/article171485297.html When a storm is as big as Florida were to go to ? 

BPEarthWatch on Yellowstone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AJ5YKnzwHI" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AJ5YKnzwHI  also some quakes in Montana. Latest on hurricanes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpaN1W4vD4c" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpaN1W4vD4c  (storms Lee and Maria forming from minute 11)


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Que sera, sera, Whatever will be, will be, The future is not ours to see, Que sera, sera !


Posted By: Satori
Date Posted: September 06 2017 at 8:16pm
climate change is/will be the greatest threat ever faced by the human species

http://www.desdemonadespair.net/2017/09/a-two-decade-crusade-by-conservative.html" rel="nofollow - A two-decade crusade by conservative charities fueled Trump’s exit from Paris climate accord

http://www.desdemonadespair.net/2017/09/a-two-decade-crusade-by-conservative.html

(The Washington Post) – Myron Ebell stood in bright sunlight as President Trump stepped into the Rose Garden and spoke.

“In order to fulfill my solemn duty to protect America and its citizens,” Trump said to rowdy applause, “the United States will withdraw from the Paris climate accord.”

Ebell was hot, sunburned and very pleased. He was witnessing history that he had helped make.

For nearly two decades, Ebell has led the Cooler Heads Coalition, an umbrella group of tax-exempt public charities and other nonprofit organizations in the vanguard of efforts to cast doubt on the gravity of climate change and thwart government efforts to address it.

Coalition members have called climate science a hoax and denounced environmentalists as “global-warming alarmists.” They have written letters, blasted out emails, pressured lawmakers, sponsored seminars, appeared on television and made a documentary movie.

It was all part of a wave that crested with Trump’s rejection on June 1 of the http://unfccc.int/paris_agreement/items/9485.php" rel="nofollow - Paris agreement , a landmark accord by nearly 200 countries in 2015 to limit greenhouse gases that contribute to global warming.

“He made the decision. We helped create the circumstances,” Ebell told The Washington Post. “When you are persistent, good things can happen.”

The story behind the coalition illuminates the influential, little-known role that tax-exempt https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/public-charities" rel="nofollow - public charities play in modern campaigns to sway lawmakers and shape policy in the nation’s capital, while claiming to be nonpartisan educational organizations.

It also offers insight into the forces behind a Trump decision that infuriated scientists and environmentalists, mystified U.S. allies and went against the https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/on-leadership/wp/2017/06/01/ceos-make-final-pleas-to-trump-to-stay-in-paris-climate-agreement/?utm_term=.ea66d64d6d30" rel="nofollow - advice of some major corporations . […]

After long questioning global warming, Ebell now acknowledges that “climate change is occurring and human beings have a role in it.” But he said global warming still is not a crisis. He frames climate change as an ideological issue, saying that giving the government more authority to address it would stimulate a “regulatory onslaught,” damage the U.S. economy, and subvert human freedom.

Ebell, who is not a scientist, said he and his colleagues respect the scientific process. But he said he thinks many climate researchers endorse prevailing views on global warming only to cash in on government grants.

“They are all in lock-step,” he said. “It has all the appearance of being a scam.”

Climate scientists said there is no doubt about the reality of climate change and its consequences, including melting polar ice caps, rising sea levels and the intensification of storms. Benjamin Santer, a scientist at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory who https://www.macfound.org/fellows/594/" rel="nofollow - received a MacArthur Foundation “genius” award for groundbreaking climate research, told The Post that Ebell and his Cooler Heads colleagues are attempting to turn back the clock on knowledge and science.

“He is not a climate scientist. He will never be a climate scientist. Mr. Ebell seems to believe that it’s possible to magically assimilate scientific understanding from thin air,” said Santer, speaking for himself"

and we have an INCOMPETENT IDIOT as head of state

who was it who said "we DESERVE all the BAD government we get " ???

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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 06 2017 at 9:22pm
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-06/6-reasons-why-hurricane-irma-could-be-natural-disaster-our-time" rel="nofollow - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-06/6-reasons-why-hurricane-irma-could-be-natural-disaster-our-time

https://robertscribbler.com/2017/09/06/models-show-irma-tracking-toward-88-degree-f-waters-before-setting-sights-on-florida-georgia-and-south-carolina/" rel="nofollow - https://robertscribbler.com/2017/09/06/models-show-irma-tracking-toward-88-degree-f-waters-before-setting-sights-on-florida-georgia-and-south-carolina/

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-06/barbuda-totally-demolished-after-hurricane-irma-levels-90-all-dwellings" rel="nofollow - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-06/barbuda-totally-demolished-after-hurricane-irma-levels-90-all-dwellings

DJ; seismic/volcanic events may be part of "Irma", on its path "Irma" or other hurricanes will also find nuclear reactors. http://enenews.com/worst-hurricane-ever-headed-straight-for-multiple-us-nuclear-plants-winds-up-to-225-mph-storm-to-cause-apocalyptic-damage-officials-making-fukushima-comparisons-videos" rel="nofollow - http://enenews.com/worst-hurricane-ever-headed-straight-for-multiple-us-nuclear-plants-winds-up-to-225-mph-storm-to-cause-apocalyptic-damage-officials-making-fukushima-comparisons-videos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oTs4DpN4Xk" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oTs4DpN4Xk  Katia and Jose already hurricanes developing faster than expected.


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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 06 2017 at 11:20pm
DJ; some remarks:

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM6DFx2dmXs" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM6DFx2dmXs MrMBB333 models can get it wrong. That makes it difficult to anticipate. You could be evacuating the wrong areas. But above ground powerlines mean risk of losing power for a longer period. Low ying areas can expect flooding. 

-Paul Beckwith had a good point. "Normal" a hurricane would mix cold ocean water with the top hot water. Now the ocean is that warm it is only mixing hot water-feeding further hurricanes. (DJ; since the warm water is more north hurricanes move up north-that is why the US is getting more hurricanes !)

-BPEarthWatch; Katia was expected to move into Mexico with Irma moving west of Florida. Now the latest models put Irma east of Florida giving Katia more room to develop and maybe even to reach the US gulf coast as a cat.2 hurricane. Irma will put strong waves into the gulf and may follow the Atlantic coast. Remaining very strong and pushing a lot of water on the coast. 

-Places that once did provide safety against hurricanes may not be able to do that any longer. Looking at the Caribean very strong structures (even grassroots) were moved by the storm. Evacuation may be the only way to survive !

http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/u-s-national-news/1183-horror-195-633-mph-winds-s-e-florida-direct-hit-then-up-to-ga-sc-nc" rel="nofollow - http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/u-s-national-news/1183-horror-195-633-mph-winds-s-e-florida-direct-hit-then-up-to-ga-sc-nc and http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/world-news/1185-prime-minister-of-antigua-and-barbuda-it-is-totally-destroyed-90-at-least" rel="nofollow - http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/world-news/1185-prime-minister-of-antigua-and-barbuda-it-is-totally-destroyed-90-at-least

https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/hurricane-irma-extreme-storm-surge-threat-us-and-bahamas?__prclt=SYzyM0js" rel="nofollow - https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/hurricane-irma-extreme-storm-surge-threat-us-and-bahamas?__prclt=SYzyM0js  

DJ-Yes hurricanes can destroy the US when ten Harvey like hurricanes hit the US each year the coming 10 years and only worse after that. People do not want to live in much of the US with that kind of risks. 

Strong hurricanes also mean stronger storms for western Europe. 


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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 07 2017 at 8:59am
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-07/two-nuclear-power-plants-florida-are-directly-path-hurricane-irma" rel="nofollow - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-07/two-nuclear-power-plants-florida-are-directly-path-hurricane-irma and https://twitter.com/PaulHBeckwith/status/905660811430977539/photo/1?utm_source=fb&utm_medium=fb&utm_campaign=PaulHBeckwith&utm_content=905660811430977539" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/PaulHBeckwith/status/905660811430977539/photo/1?utm_source=fb&utm_medium=fb&utm_campaign=PaulHBeckwith&utm_content=905660811430977539

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-07/hurricane-irma-barrels-toward-miami-residents-scramble-evacuate" rel="nofollow - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-07/hurricane-irma-barrels-toward-miami-residents-scramble-evacuate

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-41182991" rel="nofollow - http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-41182991


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Que sera, sera, Whatever will be, will be, The future is not ours to see, Que sera, sera !


Posted By: Satori
Date Posted: September 07 2017 at 9:18am
Irma going to take a strong turn westward after hitting Florida,according to  NOAA
Georgia and South Carolina to get hit hard



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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 07 2017 at 12:05pm
Satori, you mean northward ? http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-07/southeastern-us-better-wake-fema-chief-warns-irma-will-be-truly-devastating-storm" rel="nofollow - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-07/southeastern-us-better-wake-fema-chief-warns-irma-will-be-truly-devastating-storm  

https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/hurricane-watch-se-florida-ahead-powerhouse-irma" rel="nofollow - https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/hurricane-watch-se-florida-ahead-powerhouse-irma  

https://robertscribbler.com/2017/09/07/a-visibly-extreme-jet-stream-in-advance-of-irma/" rel="nofollow - https://robertscribbler.com/2017/09/07/a-visibly-extreme-jet-stream-in-advance-of-irma/  

Hurrricanes are known for surprises....the number of storms on their way this month could be shocking-and a lot of them will follow a more north-route due to warmer ocean water.

As I mentioned earlier-we in western Europe are NOT safe. We may face stronger storms soon !

BPEarthWatch latest update: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_OvAhiDRys" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_OvAhiDRys  


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Que sera, sera, Whatever will be, will be, The future is not ours to see, Que sera, sera !


Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: September 07 2017 at 4:57pm
Burning on the West coast,drowning on the East Coast,massive floods in Asia,Swiss mountains ,falling apart, methane gas leaking from the Ocean floor,permafrost that's not so perma!!!!,

Climate change is all a figment of the imagination,and FAKE NEWS...

Very very sad for the Human race





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12 Monkeys...............
1995 ‧ Science fiction film/Thriller ‧ 2h 11m a must for AFT


Posted By: Satori
Date Posted: September 07 2017 at 5:34pm

Hurricane scientists have never seen an image like this before


https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/hurricane-scientists-have-never-seen-an-image-like-this-before/ar-AArtxSw?li=BBnb7Kz



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Posted By: Satori
Date Posted: September 07 2017 at 8:49pm
IRMA moving north
but continuing to take a strong westerly tack
heck
this monster could actually end up in the Gulf at this rate

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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 07 2017 at 9:28pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOmG93NyX7M" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOmG93NyX7M MrMBB333 latest update, Irma moving inland in the US after Florida bringing floods etc. 

Reports from Sint Maarten Dutch/French island in the Caribean;
-government, telecommunication, (air)port collapsed
-Jose expected saterday
-most people out of housing, food, water

Dutch and French help on its way but growing fear of health, public order problems. 

In some islands people had to tie themselves to the strongest things they could find to avoid to be blown away. Number of dead and missing may be very high.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-07/greatest-evacuation-history-650000-ordered-leave-florida" rel="nofollow - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-07/greatest-evacuation-history-650000-ordered-leave-florida

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQlGj5pHJVk" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQlGj5pHJVk Paul Beckwith on how to keep informed, were the strongest wind is in a hurricane, google earth as info on how high a ground is; most of Florida may end up under water-damages in the hundreds of billions....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyja1mc-W6s" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyja1mc-W6s DAHBOO77; some nuclear plants shut down, people trying to leave Florida-once the storm starts you do not want to be in a car ! Jose could follow Irma on its way to Florida. Chemical leakages may make hit regions unliveble...

http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/u-s-national-news/1196-power-grid-warnings-have-gone-out-for-united-states-power-grids-due-to-solar-storm" rel="nofollow - http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/u-s-national-news/1196-power-grid-warnings-have-gone-out-for-united-states-power-grids-due-to-solar-storm Solar storm means communication is a problem. 


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Que sera, sera, Whatever will be, will be, The future is not ours to see, Que sera, sera !


Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 08 2017 at 2:09am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL_2SiAU0Gg" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL_2SiAU0Gg M8.1 hit Mexico at the Pacific coast near Guatemala. 

https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/triple-trouble-cat-5-irma-cat-3-jose-cat-1-katia" rel="nofollow - https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/triple-trouble-cat-5-irma-cat-3-jose-cat-1-katia

https://twitter.com/ryanmaue/status/905928442251763713" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/ryanmaue/status/905928442251763713 meteorologist wondering if the Irma damage could reach a trillion US$.


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Que sera, sera, Whatever will be, will be, The future is not ours to see, Que sera, sera !


Posted By: CRS, DrPH
Date Posted: September 08 2017 at 5:08am
This is amazing...

http://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/hurricane-scientists-have-never-seen-an-image-like-this-before/ar-AArtxSw?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp" rel="nofollow - http://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/hurricane-scientists-have-never-seen-an-image-like-this-before/ar-AArtxSw?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp


For the first time in modern history, three hurricanes in the Atlantic are lined up in the most dangerous of ways, https://mobile.twitter.com/EricBlake12/status/905825921243938817" rel="nofollow -



Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 08 2017 at 6:54am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc930p8euBw" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc930p8euBw DAHBOO77-update. 

Andrew 1992 cat 5:             Irma 2017 cat 4:
Max wind=165 mph             185 mph
stormdiameter 400miles       650miles
74mph  wind radius 45 miles 75 miles
time over Florida 4hrs           24+hrs

https://sputniknews.com/us/201709081057214034-irma-hurricane-us-devasattion/" rel="nofollow - https://sputniknews.com/us/201709081057214034-irma-hurricane-us-devasattion/  

The hurricane Irma that is expected to make a landfall in the United States, is going to "devastate" the country, the chief of the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) said on Friday.

FEMA Administrator Brock Long said at a press conference that the hurricane will leave portions of Florida without electricity for days, adding that over 100,000 residents of the state will need shelter.

DJ; I hope that the shelter provided will offer enough protection. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFWPKyzNq6c" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFWPKyzNq6c Dr.James Hansen "storms of my grandchildren" https://www.facebook.com/jimehansen/" rel="nofollow - https://www.facebook.com/jimehansen/ and https://www.democracynow.org/2017/8/30/ex_nasa_scientist_james_hansen_there" rel="nofollow - https://www.democracynow.org/2017/8/30/ex_nasa_scientist_james_hansen_there

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2017/sep/07/hurricane-irma-live-latest-updates-caribbean" rel="nofollow - https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2017/sep/07/hurricane-irma-live-latest-updates-caribbean



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Que sera, sera, Whatever will be, will be, The future is not ours to see, Que sera, sera !


Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 08 2017 at 12:29pm
BPEarthWatch latest update, with another hurricane south of Florida sept 24. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5vn4acym1w" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5vn4acym1w

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-08/deadly-devastating-hurricane-irma-closes-florida-millions-expected-be-left-without-p" rel="nofollow - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-08/deadly-devastating-hurricane-irma-closes-florida-millions-expected-be-left-without-p

http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/u-s-national-news/1202-breaking-between-hurricane-harvey-and-now-larger-irma-loan-defaults-enough-to-crash-us-banking-system" rel="nofollow - http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/u-s-national-news/1202-breaking-between-hurricane-harvey-and-now-larger-irma-loan-defaults-enough-to-crash-us-banking-system

http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/u-s-national-news/1198-governor-every-person-living-in-florida-should-be-prepared-to-evacuate" rel="nofollow - http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/u-s-national-news/1198-governor-every-person-living-in-florida-should-be-prepared-to-evacuate


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Que sera, sera, Whatever will be, will be, The future is not ours to see, Que sera, sera !


Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 08 2017 at 11:08pm
https://arctic-news.blogspot.nl/2017/09/extreme-weather-is-upon-us.html" rel="nofollow - https://arctic-news.blogspot.nl/2017/09/extreme-weather-is-upon-us.html  (link hurricanes-earthquakes here https://arctic-news.blogspot.nl/2012/11/did-sandy-trigger-major-earthquakes-off-vancouver.html" rel="nofollow - https://arctic-news.blogspot.nl/2012/11/did-sandy-trigger-major-earthquakes-off-vancouver.html  , http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-california-mexico-earthquake-20170908-htmlstory.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-california-mexico-earthquake-20170908-htmlstory.html )

https://robertscribbler.com/2017/09/08/irmas-projected-path-shifts-west-storm-expected-to-restrengthen-to-category-5/" rel="nofollow - https://robertscribbler.com/2017/09/08/irmas-projected-path-shifts-west-storm-expected-to-restrengthen-to-category-5/

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-08/what-miami-could-look-sunday-morning" rel="nofollow - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-08/what-miami-could-look-sunday-morning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c4FO1AMp0Y" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c4FO1AMp0Y BPEarthWatch some models indicate Irma could move WEST of Florida over hot water staying strong much longer....

http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/u-s-national-news/1203-breaking-hurricane-irma-returns-to-category-5-strength-166-mph-winds-and-climbing" rel="nofollow - http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/u-s-national-news/1203-breaking-hurricane-irma-returns-to-category-5-strength-166-mph-winds-and-climbing  

The economic damage to the US must be extreme. Hurricane season 2017 may become a global disaster. On Harvey: https://www.rt.com/usa/402523-hurricane-harvey-flesh-eating-bacteria/" rel="nofollow - https://www.rt.com/usa/402523-hurricane-harvey-flesh-eating-bacteria/ water is so polluted it is a danger in itself. http://robinwestenra.blogspot.nl/2017/09/texas-nuke-site-flooded-while-irma-aims.html?spref=fb" rel="nofollow - http://robinwestenra.blogspot.nl/2017/09/texas-nuke-site-flooded-while-irma-aims.html?spref=fb


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Que sera, sera, Whatever will be, will be, The future is not ours to see, Que sera, sera !


Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 09 2017 at 1:22am
MrMBB333 with history of stormsurges https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IBx5slkkU8" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IBx5slkkU8

also warning for alligators in Florida after flooding ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgYG-6D-jaU" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgYG-6D-jaU

NHC-new disturbance west of Africa http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5" rel="nofollow - http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5

BPEarthWatch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdqAuHztifc" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdqAuHztifc  Risk-maps only go to 10 feet surge, expected is 12 feet surge plus extreme rain and up to 35-40 feet waves. 


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Que sera, sera, Whatever will be, will be, The future is not ours to see, Que sera, sera !


Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 09 2017 at 7:11am
https://phys.org/news/2017-09-threatens-toxic-sites-irma-nears.html" rel="nofollow - https://phys.org/news/2017-09-threatens-toxic-sites-irma-nears.html

http://www.anongroup.org/florida-nuclear-plants/" rel="nofollow - http://www.anongroup.org/florida-nuclear-plants/ Turkey Point already leaking

https://www.earthcam.com/usa/florida/miamiandthebeaches/?cam=tampaskan" rel="nofollow - https://www.earthcam.com/usa/florida/miamiandthebeaches/?cam=tampaskan
Several webcams showing live what is happening in Florida.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2017/sep/09/hurricane-irma-florida-evacuate-landfall-cuba-live-latest" rel="nofollow - https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2017/sep/09/hurricane-irma-florida-evacuate-landfall-cuba-live-latest

https://www.lightningmaps.org/?lang=en#y=26.1503;x=-73.4009;z=5;t=4;m=sat;r=0;s=0;o=0;b=0.00;n=0;d=2;dl=2;dc=0;ra=1;" rel="nofollow - https://www.lightningmaps.org/?lang=en#y=26.1503;x=-73.4009;z=5;t=4;m=sat;r=0;s=0;o=0;b=0.00;n=0;d=2;dl=2;dc=0;ra=1;

https://usa.liveuamap.com/" rel="nofollow - https://usa.liveuamap.com/


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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 09 2017 at 7:30am
MrMBB333 updates:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNm7HiHq9d8" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNm7HiHq9d8  high UV readings, sunflare ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycf1txIkiW4" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycf1txIkiW4

http://www.miamiherald.com/" rel="nofollow - http://www.miamiherald.com/

https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/cat-5-irma-churns-along-north-cuba-coast" rel="nofollow - https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/cat-5-irma-churns-along-north-cuba-coast

https://www.accuweather.com/en/videos/hurricane-irma-to-unleash-life-threatening-conditions-in-florida/lom3zqyte6iq_6ksge1fzcg8fy2oudfh" rel="nofollow - https://www.accuweather.com/en/videos/hurricane-irma-to-unleash-life-threatening-conditions-in-florida/lom3zqyte6iq_6ksge1fzcg8fy2oudfh


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Que sera, sera, Whatever will be, will be, The future is not ours to see, Que sera, sera !


Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 09 2017 at 10:26pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sngKWNDIdg" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sngKWNDIdg
MrMBB333; Jose moving north-strikes New York/Massachusets sept 18 ? (DJ-models do not show another new hurricane forming in the Atlantic coming week, but http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5" rel="nofollow - http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5 )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ggopitVIlI" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ggopitVIlI
MrMBB333; forward speed Irma half as fast = double the rain amounts for Florida. Irma regaining strenght. Expect sinkholes and "waterworld".

BPEartWatch; Irma moving more west than expected staying more above hot Gulf-water=bigger chance "Irma" for going to cat.4 (or even 5) !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKFJUtsTyEI" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKFJUtsTyEI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfSLaopV3hw" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfSLaopV3hw  Temperature giving Irma extra strength 32C /89,6F water (Katia could move into the Pacific as tropical depression)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9GYivvuJis" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9GYivvuJis Paul Beckwith on tornadoes in "Irma".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39k56nB9X4k" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39k56nB9X4k Dahboo77 hackers using oppertunity to hack US cybernet.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-09/irma-begins-lash-florida-hurricane-force-winds-tornadoes-reported" rel="nofollow - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-09/irma-begins-lash-florida-hurricane-force-winds-tornadoes-reported
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-09/florida-orders-62-million-evacuate-irma-hurtles-toward-tampa-bay" rel="nofollow - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-09/florida-orders-62-million-evacuate-irma-hurtles-toward-tampa-bay
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-09/mind-chemtrails-us-air-force-dispatches-sprayer-aircraft-response-harvey" rel="nofollow - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-09/mind-chemtrails-us-air-force-dispatches-sprayer-aircraft-response-harvey
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-09/after-storms-are-over-america-cant-afford-rebuild" rel="nofollow - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-09/after-storms-are-over-america-cant-afford-rebuild

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2017/sep/09/hurricane-irma-florida-evacuate-landfall-cuba-live-latest" rel="nofollow - https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2017/sep/09/hurricane-irma-florida-evacuate-landfall-cuba-live-latest


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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 10 2017 at 9:11pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akx5NhoDSJk" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akx5NhoDSJk MrMBB333 Irma did push oceanwater away from land-that water will return. Warning for an 82 feet /25 meter wave near Miami ? 
(X8 or 9 sunflare https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wSFFUw7sng" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wSFFUw7sng )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvdalIASU2s" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvdalIASU2s Dahboo77-update Jose moving towards Maine sept 19 ?

https://www.rt.com/usa/402389-us-irma-hurricane-updates/" rel="nofollow - https://www.rt.com/usa/402389-us-irma-hurricane-updates/

http://www.miamiherald.com/" rel="nofollow - http://www.miamiherald.com/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2017/sep/09/hurricane-irma-florida-evacuate-landfall-cuba-live-latest" rel="nofollow - https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2017/sep/09/hurricane-irma-florida-evacuate-landfall-cuba-live-latest (last update 8 hours earlier-trying to get a clear picture later on).

https://www.lightningmaps.org/?lang=en#y=29.104;x=-76.9715;z=6;t=4;m=sat;r=0;s=0;o=0;b=0.00;n=0;d=2;dl=2;dc=0;ra=1;" rel="nofollow - https://www.lightningmaps.org/?lang=en#y=29.104;x=-76.9715;z=6;t=4;m=sat;r=0;s=0;o=0;b=0.00;n=0;d=2;dl=2;dc=0;ra=1;
live radar

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5" rel="nofollow - http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5

DJ-of course these weather-disasters are climate change related and (for that reason) not only a US problem. A economic crisis in the US due to these events is a global problem. Weather disasters are reported around the globe. To deal with that-trying to limit damage only international cooperation can mean enough.




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Que sera, sera, Whatever will be, will be, The future is not ours to see, Que sera, sera !


Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 11 2017 at 6:19am
Allthough "Irma" is not over yet https://www.lightningmaps.org/?lang=en#y=32.8333;x=-78.7953;z=6;t=4;m=sat;r=0;s=0;o=0;b=0.00;n=0;d=2;dl=2;dc=0;ra=1;" rel="nofollow - https://www.lightningmaps.org/?lang=en#y=32.8333;x=-78.7953;z=6;t=4;m=sat;r=0;s=0;o=0;b=0.00;n=0;d=2;dl=2;dc=0;ra=1; it is not longer a hurricane http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/graphics_at1.shtml?cone#contents" rel="nofollow - http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/graphics_at1.shtml?cone#contents

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-11/half-floridians-without-power-state-braces-lengthiest-restoration-us-history" rel="nofollow - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-11/half-floridians-without-power-state-braces-lengthiest-restoration-us-history  Already, damage estimates suggest that Irma could enter the pantheon of costliest hurricanes in US history just two weeks after Hurricane Harvey accomplished a similar feat in the Gulf of Mexico. According to  https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-09-10/hurricane-irma-smashes-ashore-in-florida-as-category-4-storm" rel="nofollow - Bloomberg , Enki Research estimates for total damages dropped to $49 billion from $200 billion earlier.

" rel="nofollow - - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Atlantic_hurricane_season"> - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Atlantic_hurricane_season on Harvey: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Harvey" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Harvey  Harvey caused at least 71 confirmed deaths; 1 in  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guyana" rel="nofollow - Guyana , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Harvey#cite_note-cdema-2" rel="nofollow - [1]  and 70 in the United States. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Harvey#cite_note-NBCDFW-3" rel="nofollow - [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Harvey#cite_note-CBSDFW-4" rel="nofollow - [3]   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Emergency_Management_Agency" rel="nofollow - FEMA  director  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brock_Long" rel="nofollow - Brock Long  called Harvey the worst disaster in Texas history, and expected the recovery to take many years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Harvey#cite_note-5" rel="nofollow - [4]  Economic losses are preliminarily estimated at between $70 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Harvey#cite_note-Lee-6" rel="nofollow - [5]  to $200 billion, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Harvey#cite_note-200billion-7" rel="nofollow - [6]  with a large portion of the losses sustained by uninsured homeowners.

Economic loss estimates

Based on current damage estimates made by multiple agencies, Hurricane Harvey is likely to be at least the second-most costly natural disaster in U.S. history, behind only  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Katrina" rel="nofollow - Hurricane Katrina  in 2005. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Harvey#cite_note-Lee-6" rel="nofollow - [5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Harvey#cite_note-Quealy-126" rel="nofollow - [125]   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moodys_Analytics" rel="nofollow - Moody's Analytics  has estimated the total economic cost of the storm at $81 billion to $108 billion or more; most of the economic losses are damage to homes and commercial property. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Harvey#cite_note-Lee-6" rel="nofollow - [5]   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_Today" rel="nofollow - USA Today  reported an  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AccuWeather" rel="nofollow - AccuWeather  estimate of $190 billion, released August 31. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Harvey#cite_note-190billion-127" rel="nofollow - [126]  On September 3, Texas state governor Greg Abbott estimated that damages will be between $150 billion and $180 billion, surpassing the $120 billion that it took to rebuild  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Orleans" rel="nofollow - New Orleans after Katrina. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Harvey#cite_note-128" rel="nofollow - [127] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Harvey#cite_note-129" rel="nofollow - [128]  According to weather analytics firm  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planalytics" rel="nofollow - Planalytics , lost revenue to Houston area retailers and restaurants alone will be approximately $1 billion. The Houston area controls 4% of the spending power in the United States. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Harvey#cite_note-130" rel="nofollow - [129]

A significant portion of the storm's damages may be uninsured losses. Regular homeowner insurance policies generally exclude coverage for flooding, as the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Flood_Insurance_Program" rel="nofollow - National Flood Insurance Program  underwrites most flood insurance policies in the US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Harvey#cite_note-NYT:_NFIP-131" rel="nofollow - [130] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Harvey#cite_note-CNN:_Lack_of_flood_insurance-132" rel="nofollow - [131]  Although the purchase of flood insurance is obligatory for federally guaranteed mortgages for homes within the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100-year_flood" rel="nofollow - 100-year flood plain , enforcement of the requirement is difficult and many homes, even within the 100-year flood plain, lack flood insurance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Harvey#cite_note-NYT:_NFIP-131" rel="nofollow - [130]  In  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harris_County,_Texas" rel="nofollow - Harris County, Texas —which includes the city of Houston—only 15% of homes have flood insurance policies issued by the NFIP. Participation in the NFIP is higher, but still low, in neighboring  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galveston_County,_Texas" rel="nofollow - Galveston  (41%),  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazoria_County,_Texas" rel="nofollow - Brazoria  (26%), and  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chambers_County,_Texas" rel="nofollow - Chambers Counties  (21%). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Harvey#cite_note-NYT:_NFIP-131" rel="nofollow - [130]


Both " rel="nofollow - " rel="nofollow - - https://www.ventusky.com/?p=35.9;-73.8;5&l=wind&t=20170920/18"> - https://www.ventusky.com/?p=35.9;-73.8;5&l=wind&t=20170920/18 and http://cci-reanalyzer.org/wx/fcst/#GFS.CONUS-CED.WS10-MSLP" rel="nofollow - http://cci-reanalyzer.org/wx/fcst/#GFS.CONUS-CED.WS10-MSLP  expect "Jose" reaching DC/NY area around sept 19. (DJ; both they and the NHC do not show new hurricanes forming west of Africa yet.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kWwyog182Q" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kWwyog182Q MrMBB333


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Que sera, sera, Whatever will be, will be, The future is not ours to see, Que sera, sera !


Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 11 2017 at 7:24am
Another way to look at trends in hurricanes, statistics end 2016:

https://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/top10.asp" rel="nofollow - https://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/top10.asp
In the top 15 of most named storms since 1851 not less than 10 are from 2000 or later. Also in other lists there is an overpresence after 1990. 

Is the number of hurricanes, the strenght, related to climate change, I think so !

https://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/damage1980.asp" rel="nofollow - https://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/damage1980.asp
Also 9 of the 14 costiest weather disasters since 1980 were 2000 or later.

https://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/damage.asp" rel="nofollow - https://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/damage.asp
From the 32 costiest US hurricanes 12 are from 2000 and later. (The costs are adjusted to a 2010 baseline-population/building-boom also increase damages.)

It looks like 2017 is another very bad hurricane year. 


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Que sera, sera, Whatever will be, will be, The future is not ours to see, Que sera, sera !


Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 11 2017 at 12:15pm
https://laughingsquid.com/hurricane-size-comparison/" rel="nofollow - https://laughingsquid.com/hurricane-size-comparison/ and http://www.smh.com.au/comment/the-five-big-crises-that-got-worse-while-the-world-watched-irma-20170911-gyeuxu.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.smh.com.au/comment/the-five-big-crises-that-got-worse-while-the-world-watched-irma-20170911-gyeuxu.html

5. Climate change

Climate change gathers force. The evidence of the damage inflicted by man-made global warming grows stronger. "As recently as a decade ago, climate scientists had a motto that 'you can't attribute any single extreme event to global warming'," wrote three climate scientists in the Scientific American this week.

"By the time politicians and journalists started repeating that line, however, the science had moved on, so that we now can attribute individual events in a probabilistic sense," according to Michael Mann, Thomas Peterson and Susan Joy Hassal. "We know that the strongest storms are getting stronger, with roughly 8 meters per second increase in wind speed per degree Celsius of warming.

"And so it is not likely to be a coincidence that almost all of the strongest hurricanes on record (as measured by sustained wind speeds) for the globe, the Northern Hemisphere, the Southern Hemisphere, the Pacific, and now, with Irma, in the open Atlantic, have occurred over the past two years."

The UN secretary-general Antonio Guterres is due to meet Donald Trump next week and is expected to try to persuade him to keep the US committed to the Paris carbon treaty. If the evidence of Irma doesn't make an impression on Trump, it's hard to know what could. After all, it's received a lot of coverage.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/11/threat-climate-change-hurricane-harvey-irma-droughts" rel="nofollow - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/11/threat-climate-change-hurricane-harvey-irma-droughts

The problem is, our current business-as-usual trajectory takes us to a world that’s about 3.5C warmer. That is to say, even if we kept the promises we made at Paris (which Trump has already, of course, repudiated) we’re going to build a planet so hot that we can’t have civilisations. We have to seize the moment we’re in right now – the moment when we’re scared and vulnerable – and use it to dramatically reorient ourselves. The last three years have each broken the record for the hottest year ever measured – they’re a red flashing sign that says: “Snap out of it.” Not bend the trajectory somewhat, as the Paris accords envisioned, but simultaneously jam on the fossil fuel brakes and stand on the solar accelerator (and also find some metaphors that don’t rely on internal combustion).



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Que sera, sera, Whatever will be, will be, The future is not ours to see, Que sera, sera !


Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 11 2017 at 10:50pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEYJdwgipus" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEYJdwgipus MrMBB333 with an update on "the disaster after the disaster". With 13 million households without electricity, maybe for a longer period, schools closed, roads blocked, farmland flooded-the damage must be large. Also a question on "what happened with the water".

https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/irma-brings-record-flooding-jacksonville-cuts-power-more-5-million" rel="nofollow - https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/irma-brings-record-flooding-jacksonville-cuts-power-more-5-million

https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/jose-potential-east-coast-threat" rel="nofollow - https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/jose-potential-east-coast-threat Latest models indicate "Jose" making landfall in eastern Canada ? No new hurricanes forming ? We have to see how that goes. 

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-11/all-food-gone-violence-erupts-caribbean-island-st-martin" rel="nofollow - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-11/all-food-gone-violence-erupts-caribbean-island-st-martin French and Dutch military try to get aid into St.Martin and restore public safety. Civil "unrest" may be a problem elsewere when infrastructure problems are not solved. 

People need information most of all. When can they get food and water, were can they sleep...
http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/u-s-national-news/1221-the-day-after" rel="nofollow - http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/u-s-national-news/1221-the-day-after


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Posted By: Medclinician
Date Posted: September 12 2017 at 10:56am
They might destroy the U.S, but they could certainly wipe out most of the South. The total cost in funding from .gov for Harvey in Texas and Irma in Florida and North Carolina could exceed 30 billion dollars.

So what happens, as two more move closer if every year we have these kind of disasters in the South?

There will not be the rush to finance aid we have seen for Hurricane Harvey in Texas. While they may not destroy the U.S. they could certainly cripple the budget. Indirectly, if we see conditions resulting without power (electricity) or adequate medical or police coverage, you will see looting, disease, and more anarchy in the streets.

Scary thought.

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Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: September 12 2017 at 11:18am
Spot on, Med.  Climate change is increasing the frequency and strength.  As the water gets hotter the storms get stronger - simple physics.

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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 12 2017 at 12:14pm
Med, investers will not invest when a region has to many risks. Both for the US and the EU regions most at risk will see economic desinvestment and jobs move elsewere. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14eC4n0oXRY" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14eC4n0oXRY MrMBB333 latest update. 

http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/u-s-national-news/1227-weird-remnants-of-irma-now-in-mississippi-entering-louisiana" rel="nofollow - http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/u-s-national-news/1227-weird-remnants-of-irma-now-in-mississippi-entering-louisiana

http://robinwestenra.blogspot.nl/2017/09/fears-of-surge-sewers-and-toxins-after.html" rel="nofollow - http://robinwestenra.blogspot.nl/2017/09/fears-of-surge-sewers-and-toxins-after.html

With more cyclones, hurricanes etc shippinglanes will get disrupted-transport of goods more expensive. Climate change will effect foodproduction. Irma and Harvey means loss of agriculture land and products.

Tech, http://robinwestenra.blogspot.nl/2017/09/warming-of-north-sea.html" rel="nofollow - http://robinwestenra.blogspot.nl/2017/09/warming-of-north-sea.html The North Sea is getting hotter as well. We in Europe may see the consequences maybe tomorrow with the coming storm tomorrow. 

Stay safe !


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Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: September 12 2017 at 1:10pm
I have been expecting it DJ.  

Our storms are getting more frequent and nastier too. 

Luckily, up until now, there have been no hurricanes in the Uk.  So, when we do get them, as we will eventually, they will not reach category 5.  Well probably not, anyway.  

Buildings here tend to be stone, brick and concrete.  there are few wooden houses,  Timber framed buildings are getting more common, but we have got a stone one with 3 feet thick walls - deliberately.  

We are only 10 miles from the coast, but quite high.  So, as long as our buildings are fairly robust we should be fine, no matter what.  We own the highest point around, but our house is 30 or 40 foot below that .  Above us are dense trees - needed to prevent landslides in my opinion.  Lots of new build stuff seems to be, not only timber frame, but also in low lying coastal areas, or on valley sides where they have removed the trees above.  STUPID!

What is it like where you are?  How are sea/wind defenses?  Holland always struck me as low - but with great planning and defensive thinking.  Will you be OK when it all goes pear shaped?


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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 13 2017 at 4:46am
MrMBB333 with an update on power in Florida https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14eC4n0oXRY&t=39s" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14eC4n0oXRY&t=39s in some areas may take more than 10 days. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WPNEsSplOc" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WPNEsSplOc "Jose" could go a lot of directions. Models have lost grip. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnHs-qgJ18Y" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnHs-qgJ18Y Remains of "Irma" moving towards Texas-Houston-Gulf. (Could it become a hurricane again in the Gulf ? Katia did so after crossing Mexico and moving into the Pacific.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Jwq2aQXK1E" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Jwq2aQXK1E also BP Earthwatch surprised by the strenght of "Irma" !

https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/irma-makes-its-mark-weather-records" rel="nofollow - https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/irma-makes-its-mark-weather-records

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-13/irma-destroyed-nearly-quarter-homes-florida-keys" rel="nofollow - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-13/irma-destroyed-nearly-quarter-homes-florida-keys

Tech, we now have a lot of wind. But this is nothing compared to a hurricane. Since Arnhem is build on hills north of the (Lower)Rhine-river-with a lot of low lying land rain can be a problem. We have a "dyke" for the railway allthrough the city-so with a lot of rain water is a problem at some places. 

"Climate change were you are" makes a good item !


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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 13 2017 at 10:01pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PLNY-kMMss" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PLNY-kMMss BPEarthWatch some models "Jose" moving towards New York tuesday. But a lot of uncertainty. "Jose" influencing some remains of "Irma" above Texas. 

MrMBB333 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1tP7H6pWHE" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1tP7H6pWHE global view; Fukushima-Japan may see a cat-2 cyclone. Western Mexico a cat-4 but the mountains there will limit damage. On the Atlantic all models have a different story. "Jose" the be part of a large system of depressions and storms moving towards Europe ?


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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 14 2017 at 12:22pm
NHC; http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5" rel="nofollow - http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5 and http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=epac&fdays=5" rel="nofollow - http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=epac&fdays=5  

https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/global-warming-and-hurricanes/" rel="nofollow - https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/global-warming-and-hurricanes/

https://thinkprogress.org/harvey-superstorm-study-25e60eeb4bd7/" rel="nofollow - https://thinkprogress.org/harvey-superstorm-study-25e60eeb4bd7/

https://www.citylab.com/equity/2017/09/climate-changes-inevitable-displacement-of-most-vulnerable/539232/" rel="nofollow - https://www.citylab.com/equity/2017/09/climate-changes-inevitable-displacement-of-most-vulnerable/539232/

http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/world-news/1238-many-many-dead-bodies-being-pulled-from-florida-keys" rel="nofollow - http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/world-news/1238-many-many-dead-bodies-being-pulled-from-florida-keys

Latest discussions on models:

MrMBB333; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lM0dERe4pcc" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lM0dERe4pcc

BPEarthWatch; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKjfQhMTE8w" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKjfQhMTE8w  


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Posted By: Satori
Date Posted: September 14 2017 at 4:41pm
this JOSE guy is REALLY getting on my nerves
it was supposed to stay FAR out to sea
but obviously isn't going to happen
I''m not gonna take a direct hit but we certainly will get a lot of wind and rain

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at2+shtml/235324.shtml?cone

this bad boy is really unpredictable


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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 14 2017 at 9:34pm
Satori, "Jose" might become recordbreaking in duration. MrMBB333 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdHYv84X_2U" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdHYv84X_2U "Jose" looks a lot like "Sandy" and new hurricanes forming on the Atlantic. (Impact on the Dominican Republic as a cat.4/5 in a week then moving to Florida ?)
http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/local-news-nyc-nj-ct/1243-nyc-nj-li-pay-very-close-attention-hurricane-jose-will-be-near" rel="nofollow - http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/local-news-nyc-nj-ct/1243-nyc-nj-li-pay-very-close-attention-hurricane-jose-will-be-near  
Also "water doing bizar" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X04fMkRRD9U" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X04fMkRRD9U

BPEarthWatch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3daMZxYOMMw" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3daMZxYOMMw

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-13/hurricane-irma-released-250-gallons-untreated-sewage-streets-florida" rel="nofollow - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-13/hurricane-irma-released-250-gallons-untreated-sewage-streets-florida  

Also in the news: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-14/do-40000-lightning-strikes-over-socal-point-mega-quake-horizon" rel="nofollow - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-14/do-40000-lightning-strikes-over-socal-point-mega-quake-horizon California had a M3.3quake hours ago. 

Good information can save lives and limit damage !


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Posted By: CRS, DrPH
Date Posted: September 14 2017 at 10:21pm
Thanks for the update on Hurricane Jose! 

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at2+shtml/235324.shtml?cone" rel="nofollow - http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at2+shtml/235324.shtml?cone

That thing was wandering around in the Atlantic, but it sure looks like it is making a bee-line for New England!  




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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 15 2017 at 3:43am
The longest duration of a hurricane was the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1899_San_Ciriaco_hurricane" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1899_San_Ciriaco_hurricane 27 days and 18hours. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Jose_%282017%29" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Jose_(2017) started as a tropical wave august 31. 

Other data on (Atlantic) hurricanes:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Atlantic_hurricane_records" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Atlantic_hurricane_records

http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/world-news/1245-not-a-single-living-person-on-the-island-of-barbuda" rel="nofollow - http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/world-news/1245-not-a-single-living-person-on-the-island-of-barbuda Some islands/area's will see strong population decrease.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-14/harvey-messed-texas" rel="nofollow - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-14/harvey-messed-texas


From the article: https://thinkprogress.org/harvey-superstorm-study-25e60eeb4bd7/" rel="nofollow - https://thinkprogress.org/harvey-superstorm-study-25e60eeb4bd7/

http://metstat.com/hurricane-harvey-extraordinary-flooding-for-houston-and-surrounding-areas/" rel="nofollow - study  released Friday by Metstat, a weather-analysis company specializing in “detailed precipitation analysis” and “weather frequency analysis,” found that Harvey delivered a stunning once-in-25,000-year deluge over much of southeast Texas.

Some places saw an unimaginable once-in-500,000-year deluge, which translates to a 0.0002 percent chance of this deluge occurring in any given year. Probabilities that extreme “are calculated by extrapolating the distribution curves for precipitation observed over the last century,” Metstat’s Shauna Bokn explained.

Since global warming has been making extreme precipitation events more likely, however, the U.S. won’t have to wait 25,000 years to witness the next event of Harvey’s proportion.

But, again, to be clear, that’s all based on historical precipitation data over the past century. Human-caused climate change is shifting the baselines. In regard to Harvey, MetStat found that “an interesting atmospheric setup was present that allowed it to stay alive for so long; bringing devastation over such a widespread area.” In particular, “the jet stream was located at very high latitudes, allowed for very light wind shear over Texas, and this aided in the lack of movement for Harvey.”

As  https://www.facebook.com/MichaelMannScientist/posts/1515449771844553" rel="nofollow - climatologist Michael Mann  explained during the storm, “the kind of stalled weather pattern that is drenching Houston is precisely the sort of pattern we expect because of climate change.” Climate science  https://thinkprogress.org/jet-stream-harvey-bd146d428ed1/" rel="nofollow - predicted a weaker jet stream , and Harvey stalled because of a weakened jet stream.



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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 15 2017 at 12:25pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNLfZGEzx8c" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNLfZGEzx8c  BPEarthWatch-models indicating Jose getting close to New York sept 19/20, another storm hitting Georgia sept 25 and a third one moving into Louisiana /Florida sept. 28. That is just the models. (Lee and Maria would be the names after Katia).

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5" rel="nofollow - http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5


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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 15 2017 at 9:18pm
BPEarthWatch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWYnvFldvl4" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWYnvFldvl4
-Jose may reach New York as a cat.1 at night and stay there for a longer period bringing a lot of rain
-2nd storm follows Irma-track over Caribean than to Georgia
-3th storm starts in the Caribean-over Cuba-Florida into the Atlantic
-Also mention of first snowstorm in Montana

Long term models that will change. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-15/new-york-city-within-hurricane-joses-cone-uncertainty" rel="nofollow - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-15/new-york-city-within-hurricane-joses-cone-uncertainty

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-14/irmas-aftermath-first-time-300-years-theres-not-single-living-person-barbuda" rel="nofollow - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-14/irmas-aftermath-first-time-300-years-theres-not-single-living-person-barbuda

MrMBB333, over 20 inches of rain in western Mexico due to "Norma" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isRT-yFqpIg" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isRT-yFqpIg striking in densly populated area with lots of dams.


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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 16 2017 at 1:01am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIROYvZfbbs" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIROYvZfbbs MrMBB333; "Jose" is starting to look a lot like "Sandy" in 2012. But it may not make landfall-move into the Atlantic and maybe even then return to strike again !

http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/local-news-nyc-nj-ct/1256-uh-oh-euro-216-hour-shows-a-potential-simultaneous-impact-on-the-east-coast-by-two-hurricanes" rel="nofollow - http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/local-news-nyc-nj-ct/1256-uh-oh-euro-216-hour-shows-a-potential-simultaneous-impact-on-the-east-coast-by-two-hurricanes Tuesday "Jose" COULD be less than 200 miles from New York and bring a lot of rain. (DJ; problem is that models are far from perfect). 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2008/aug/11/climatechange" rel="nofollow - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2008/aug/11/climatechange We are on our way to a 4C above normal-drastic action is needed now !

In september 1961 hurricane "Debbie" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Debbie_%281961%29" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Debbie_(1961) did do a lot of damage in Ireland and the UK. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Vince" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Vince In october 2005 hurricane "Vince" reached Spain. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropical_cyclone_effects_in_Europe" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropical_cyclone_effects_in_Europe
In a paper published in April 2013, the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Netherlands_Meteorological_Institute" rel="nofollow - Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute  predicted that by the year 2100,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming" rel="nofollow - global warming  would greatly increase the threat of hurricane-force winds to western Europe from former tropical cyclones and hybrid storms, the latter similar to  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Sandy" rel="nofollow - Hurricane Sandy  in 2012. One model predicted an increase from 2 to 13 in the number of cyclones with hurricane-force winds in the waters offshore western Europe. The study suggested that conditions favorable for tropical cyclones would expand 1,100 km (700 mi) to the east. A separate study based out of  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Castile-La_Mancha" rel="nofollow - University of Castile-La Mancha predicted that hurricanes would  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropical_cyclone_basins#Mediterranean_Sea" rel="nofollow - develop in the Mediterranean Sea  in Septembers by the year 2100, which would threaten countries in southern Europe. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropical_cyclone_effects_in_Europe#cite_note-jm-6" rel="nofollow - [5]
Hurricanes in the Atlantic are not only a risk for North America they also effect the weather in Europe-and the Arctic (bringing warm air-increase polar melt).

Severe (economic) damage due to climate change to the US effect global economies and trade. 
https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/swells-and-rough-surf-jose-heading-us-east-coast" rel="nofollow - https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/swells-and-rough-surf-jose-heading-us-east-coast

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlG6I9nlDgQ&feature=share" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlG6I9nlDgQ&feature=share Populationgrowth of 240.000 persons per day, unrealistic pricing-leaving lots of cost to the taxpayer for private profit is destroying our planet. 


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Posted By: Satori
Date Posted: September 16 2017 at 5:58am
interesting piece on how hurricanes affect infrastructure

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/9/15/1698865/-Hurricane-Irma-Revenge-of-the-Everglades" rel="nofollow - Hurricane Irma: Revenge of the Everglades...

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/9/15/1698865/-Hurricane-Irma-Revenge-of-the-Everglades


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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 16 2017 at 7:46am
Satori, reminds me of building a house on solid ice during winter-one day summer will come....

http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/local-news-nyc-nj-ct/1259-hurricane-jose-expected-in-nj-nyc-area-in-four-days-we-could-get-a-rough-ride-a-direct-hit-or-nothing" rel="nofollow - http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/local-news-nyc-nj-ct/1259-hurricane-jose-expected-in-nj-nyc-area-in-four-days-we-could-get-a-rough-ride-a-direct-hit-or-nothing models on "Jose" (and "Lee" and "Maria" ) are very uncertain. http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/" rel="nofollow - http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/ will give advisories on a new hurricane on its way to the Lesser Antilles. 

https://www.texastribune.org/2017/09/14/epa-wont-release-benzene-levels-collected-after-harvey-private-monitor/?utm_campaign=trib-social-buttons&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social" rel="nofollow - https://www.texastribune.org/2017/09/14/epa-wont-release-benzene-levels-collected-after-harvey-private-monitor/?utm_campaign=trib-social-buttons&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/41942-cholera-fears-rise-following-atlantic-hurricanes-are-we-making-any-progress" rel="nofollow - http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/41942-cholera-fears-rise-following-atlantic-hurricanes-are-we-making-any-progress

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/07/what-mass-extinctions-teach-us-about-climate-change-today.html" rel="nofollow - http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/07/what-mass-extinctions-teach-us-about-climate-change-today.html

http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/41950-why-climate-alarmists-should-not-be-ignored" rel="nofollow - http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/41950-why-climate-alarmists-should-not-be-ignored
In a recent  https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/433yg9/global-investment-firm-warns-78-degrees-of-global-warming-is-possible" rel="nofollow - Vice article , Nafeez Ahmed broke the story of Schroders, a British investment firm with US $542 billion under management, privately advising its clients that global temperatures could reach 7.8 degrees Celsius above pre-industrial levels by the end of this century. Of course, as is well known, the safe limit for warming is generally considered to be 2 degrees Celsius.


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Posted By: CRS, DrPH
Date Posted: September 16 2017 at 8:08am
Perhaps the biggest problem from extreme weather is not the damage from high winds, but from the storm surge, caused by rising sea levels. 

Data shows that the oceans are rising, due to melting of glaciers AND expansion of ocean water mass as temperature rises.  

All coastal areas are at risk, and since the majority of the world's population lives close to the seas, this is going to be a huge problem.   See the graphics in this link:

http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science_and_impacts/impacts/infographic-sea-level-rise-global-warming.html#.Wb098a3MzVo" rel="nofollow - http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science_and_impacts/impacts/infographic-sea-level-rise-global-warming.html#.Wb098a3MzVo




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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 16 2017 at 12:17pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hw-bayXRZ-Q" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hw-bayXRZ-Q BPEarthWatch and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-rzzmycHLM" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-rzzmycHLM MrMBB333 with latest updates. 

Sept 19-New York Area "Jose" cat1
Sept 25-"Maria" will sweep the US East Coast. 
Later on "Lee" may show up as well. 

https://cleantechnica.com/2017/09/15/fewer-denialists-tiny-silver-lining-irma-harvey/" rel="nofollow - https://cleantechnica.com/2017/09/15/fewer-denialists-tiny-silver-lining-irma-harvey/

http://www.thestranger.com/slog/2017/09/15/25416873/big-investors-tell-big-banks-to-freak-the-*****-out-about-climate-change" rel="nofollow - http://www.thestranger.com/slog/2017/09/15/25416873/big-investors-tell-big-banks-to-freak-the-*****-out-about-climate-change

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2017/09/15/the-growing-debate-about-the-arctics-influence-on-hurricanes/?utm_term=.75e57e679b9e" rel="nofollow - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2017/09/15/the-growing-debate-about-the-arctics-influence-on-hurricanes/?utm_term=.75e57e679b9e

CRS,DrPH-the biggest risk from these chain of hurricanes is massive panic in the US. The "human reaction" already showing on Caribean islands with drinkingwater and foodproblems, no houses, next hurricanes on its way....


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Posted By: CRS, DrPH
Date Posted: September 16 2017 at 10:57pm
Originally posted by Dutch Josh Dutch Josh wrote:


CRS,DrPH-the biggest risk from these chain of hurricanes is massive panic in the US. The "human reaction" already showing on Caribean islands with drinkingwater and foodproblems, no houses, next hurricanes on its way....
 

Thanks, Dutch Josh!  My wife and I were married in St. John, US Virgin Islands, on Nov 20, 1997 (nearly 20 years ago!), it saddens us to see this devastation. 

We are reading about widespread looting and intimidation of the populace by armed thugs, very sad.  A model for what any of us might face in the future, due to pandemic, EMP etc.

Sadly, more storms are on the way....Maria and Lee look like they could add to the misery in the Caribbean. 

http://www.nola.com/hurricane/index.ssf/2017/09/maria_jose_and_lee_what_we_kno.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.nola.com/hurricane/index.ssf/2017/09/maria_jose_and_lee_what_we_kno.html


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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 17 2017 at 12:47am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYqqkc1lD9s" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYqqkc1lD9s BPEarthWatch;
-Jose may stay at the Atlantic not doing much damage to the US, but Jose is full of surprises
-Lee is moving north in the Atlantic, proberbly not doing much damage
-Maria may become another Irma-cat3/4 moving over the Carribean towards US East Coast
-another storm sept 30 close to the Mexican gulf coast moving into Mexico (in this model)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnSPb1FJVqI" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnSPb1FJVqI MrMBB333 newer info, sound problem in the video.
Maria could become a cat.4 but get pulled into the Atlantic by "Jose" before reaching the US coast. Jose would do another turn south to get in touch with Maria.

The 2017 Atlantic Hurricane Season is very bizar. If this is the "new normal" many islands in the Caribean have a "very limited future". Not much tourism or agriculture=no means for many people to live there.

http://grist.org/briefly/hurricane-irma-wiped-out-half-of-floridas-citrus-crop/?utm_content=buffer6bbc8&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer" rel="nofollow - http://grist.org/briefly/hurricane-irma-wiped-out-half-of-floridas-citrus-crop/?utm_content=buffer6bbc8&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

https://www.theweathernetwork.com/news/articles/tropics-weather-hurricane-outlook/86100/" rel="nofollow - https://www.theweathernetwork.com/news/articles/tropics-weather-hurricane-outlook/86100/

http://www.iflscience.com/policy/pentagon-ignores-trumps-orders-continues-preparing-climate-change/" rel="nofollow - http://www.iflscience.com/policy/pentagon-ignores-trumps-orders-continues-preparing-climate-change/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/irma-and-harvey-are-the-new-normal-its-time-to-move-away-from-the-coasts/2017/09/15/4ff2a61e-9971-11e7-87fc-c3f7ee4035c9_story.html?utm_term=.072b91571d18" rel="nofollow - https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/irma-and-harvey-are-the-new-normal-its-time-to-move-away-from-the-coasts/2017/09/15/4ff2a61e-9971-11e7-87fc-c3f7ee4035c9_story.html?utm_term=.072b91571d18

DJ: This story-again-is not only about the US. It is about climate change effecting global economics, logistics, foodproduction etc. When these destructive storms are only the beginning of "very bad weather"  we are in very big problems as humans.


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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 17 2017 at 6:48am
http://www.myfoxhurricane.com/custom/models/cmc/cmc_atl_accprec.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.myfoxhurricane.com/custom/models/cmc/cmc_atl_accprec.html  
showing several storms forming both in the Atlantic and in the Caribean. 
-sept 20 "Jose" "to close for comfort" New York/Boston
-sept 24 "Maria" over Florida, "Irma-track"
-sept 27 "Nate"  Louisiana

All are models-but not looking good !
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Atlantic_hurricane_season" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Atlantic_hurricane_season gets updated daily. 


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Posted By: CRS, DrPH
Date Posted: September 17 2017 at 10:13am
Dutch Josh, great point about the grim future of the Caribbean islands!  

They are squarely in the line-of-fire to hurricanes, and these are likely to increase in the future.  

Damn shame, they are all very nice islands with wonderful people and resources.  




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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 17 2017 at 11:49am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgS1cQKbrpI" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgS1cQKbrpI BPEarthWatch confirming an earlier scenario of 3 storms effecting the US the coming 2 weeks. 

CRS, DrPH-after the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Barrier_Reef" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Barrier_Reef another part of Earth is destroyed. People become refugees-losing everything they had including-with some bad luck-selfrespect. 

When I also hear about the early snowstorms in the northern US-other extreme weather events around the globe-I try to imagine the "exponential factor"; superstorms, hail-stones that kill, extreme cold in areas that should be warm or the other way round. 

Not looking good ! BPEarthWatch relates the "climate chaos" to solar flares-most make the link with climate change. 

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/greenland-how-rapid-climate-change-on-world-s-largest-island-will-affect-us-all-a7904436.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/greenland-how-rapid-climate-change-on-world-s-largest-island-will-affect-us-all-a7904436.html

https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/maria-threatens-leeward-islands-joses-surf-will-batter-northeast-beaches" rel="nofollow - https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/maria-threatens-leeward-islands-joses-surf-will-batter-northeast-beaches


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Posted By: EdwinSm,
Date Posted: September 17 2017 at 10:48pm
This is not the US yet...
Originally posted by BBC BBC wrote:

Maria is expected to become a dangerous major hurricane as it nears the Leeward Islands in the Caribbean.

The category one hurricane will rapidly strengthen over the next 48 hours and will hit the islands late on Monday, the US National Hurricane Center says.

It is moving roughly along the same path as Irma, the hurricane that devastated the region this month.

Hurricane warnings have been issued for Guadeloupe, Dominica, St Kitts and Nevis, Montserrat and Martinique.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-41302157" rel="nofollow - http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-41302157


Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 18 2017 at 1:31am
http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/local-news-nyc-nj-ct/1264-tropical-storm-watch-issued-for-new-jersey-and-new-york-city" rel="nofollow - http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/local-news-nyc-nj-ct/1264-tropical-storm-watch-issued-for-new-jersey-and-new-york-city

http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/local-news-nyc-nj-ct/1263-urgent-hurricane-jose-may-be-do-over-of-the-ash-wednesday-storm-of-1962" rel="nofollow - http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/local-news-nyc-nj-ct/1263-urgent-hurricane-jose-may-be-do-over-of-the-ash-wednesday-storm-of-1962

Dahboo77 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isIyBUDRq2E" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isIyBUDRq2E Jose may move north to almost Canada east coast and than turn over the Atlantic move into Virginia/Carolina's were Maria then moves over-combining the strenght of two storms. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4hQgVXO-hY" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4hQgVXO-hY MrMBB333 "Mary" can become cat 4 or 5-move via the "Irma"track.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STlm7YSzUkE" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STlm7YSzUkE BPEarthWatch also warning for a new storm forming near Yucatan-Mexico

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at2+shtml/053603.shtml?rainqpf#contents" rel="nofollow - http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at2+shtml/053603.shtml?rainqpf#contents

The big question is how to see these hurricanes in a wider perspective. Is it part of abrupt climate change-and (far) worse-globally-on its way. http://www.ucsusa.org/nuclear-power/nuclear-power-accidents/flood-risk-at-nuclear-power-plants#.Wb-M30tJa3D" rel="nofollow - http://www.ucsusa.org/nuclear-power/nuclear-power-accidents/flood-risk-at-nuclear-power-plants#.Wb-M30tJa3D  

Paul Beckwith; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wii-N_BfvmQ" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wii-N_BfvmQ


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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 18 2017 at 10:22am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QplYXNCg2LE" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QplYXNCg2LE BPEarthWatch, "Jose" will bring a lot of rain, surge etc to New York and further north. Then loop and move in land (Virginia or north of it ?) next weekend. By that time "Maria" will again bring a lot of rain-stay offshore. Also mentioning of a storm forming (end of september, beginning of october) near Yucatan. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2017/09/18/intensifying-hurricane-maria-is-a-severe-threat-to-caribbean-and-puerto-rico-jose-to-scrape-northeast-coast/?utm_term=.f62500a7ce43" rel="nofollow - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2017/09/18/intensifying-hurricane-maria-is-a-severe-threat-to-caribbean-and-puerto-rico-jose-to-scrape-northeast-coast/?utm_term=.f62500a7ce43

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuYy6bQ0oWE&feature=youtu.be" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuYy6bQ0oWE&feature=youtu.be A presentation on hurricanes. 


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Posted By: Satori
Date Posted: September 18 2017 at 5:01pm
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/9/18/1699637/-Maria-to-make-a-Category-FIVE-strike-on-Dominica-tonight-St-Croix-and-Puerto-Rico-tomorrow" rel="nofollow - Maria to make a Category FIVE strike on Dominica tonight, St. Croix and Puerto Rico tomorrow

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/9/18/1699637/-Maria-to-make-a-Category-FIVE-strike-on-Dominica-tonight-St-Croix-and-Puerto-Rico-tomorrow


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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 18 2017 at 9:39pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeKb0nFPTRI" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeKb0nFPTRI MrMBB333-"Maria" went from a bunch of clouds to a cat-5 in 48 hours. Military are evacuating from islands neat Puerto Rico. "Maria" may move over islands without electricity due to "Irma". (DJ; some people may find out about "Maria" when it hits them.) MrMBB333 expects "Maria" making landfall "somewere in the US" or move along the US east coast-but all models have a different story-unpredictable (DJ; and very hard to calculate).

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-18/hurricane-maria-could-make-landfall-puerto-rico-category-4-storm" rel="nofollow - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-18/hurricane-maria-could-make-landfall-puerto-rico-category-4-storm

http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/u-s-national-news/1268-hurricane-maria-becomes-category-5-monster-storm" rel="nofollow - http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/u-s-national-news/1268-hurricane-maria-becomes-category-5-monster-storm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amQPCYR0tm8" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amQPCYR0tm8  BPEarthWatch; "Jose" almost stopped moving eventhough most models predicted it to move north. A weatherfront from the US is moving east and may push both "Jose" and "Maria" in io the Atlantic-far enough to do much damage. 

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/" rel="nofollow - http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/ , https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/category-5-hurricane-maria-hits-dominica" rel="nofollow - https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/category-5-hurricane-maria-hits-dominica , https://robertscribbler.com/2017/09/19/hellish-intensification-marias-winds-jump-50-mph-to-cat-5-strength-in-just-12-hours/" rel="nofollow - https://robertscribbler.com/2017/09/19/hellish-intensification-marias-winds-jump-50-mph-to-cat-5-strength-in-just-12-hours/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jub-8_PwbXk" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jub-8_PwbXk Dahboo77; "Jose" and "Maria" according to a model may start interacting. In his model "Jose" is pushing "Maria" in to the Atlantic-but models change-it could work the other way. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aD54qBkQCEU" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aD54qBkQCEU latest


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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 19 2017 at 8:18am
Updates via;

http://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-latin-america-41315877" rel="nofollow - http://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-latin-america-41315877

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2017/sep/19/hurricane-maria-landfall-dominica-caribbean-category-five-storm-live" rel="nofollow - https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2017/sep/19/hurricane-maria-landfall-dominica-caribbean-category-five-storm-live

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Acap3IrCYYk&feature=share" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Acap3IrCYYk&feature=share

https://www.rt.com/news/403791-hurricane-maria-dominica-prime-minister/" rel="nofollow - https://www.rt.com/news/403791-hurricane-maria-dominica-prime-minister/  

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-19/hurricane-maria-causes-widespread-devastation-dominica-it-races-toward-puerto-rico" rel="nofollow - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-19/hurricane-maria-causes-widespread-devastation-dominica-it-races-toward-puerto-rico






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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 19 2017 at 10:34pm
http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/world-news/1282-184-mph-winds" rel="nofollow - http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/world-news/1282-184-mph-winds  
and
http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/u-s-national-news/1281-hurricane-hunter-report-maria-is-now-stronger-than-irma-was-170-5-mph-winds" rel="nofollow - http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/u-s-national-news/1281-hurricane-hunter-report-maria-is-now-stronger-than-irma-was-170-5-mph-winds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5c4_-TIC7_I" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5c4_-TIC7_I BPEarthWatch-both "Jose" and "Maria" may stay in the Atlantic-limited damage to the US.

http://cci-reanalyzer.org/wx/fcst/#GFS-025deg.NATLAN-LEA.WS10" rel="nofollow - http://cci-reanalyzer.org/wx/fcst/#GFS-025deg.NATLAN-LEA.WS10 In the Greenland/Iceland area a new strong storm has formed (from the remains of "Irma" DJ ? )

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5" rel="nofollow - http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5 "Lee" getting restarted, moving north on the central Atlantic ?

http://www.myfoxhurricane.com/custom/models/gfsext/gfsext_atl_pwater.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.myfoxhurricane.com/custom/models/gfsext/gfsext_atl_pwater.html shows another hurricane forming october 4-5 near Yucatan moving north into the Florida/Louisiana gulf coast. Also-this season is full of extremes and surprises-no reason to trust "models" as long as there are hurricanes on the Atlantic ! (Do not trust "Lee"-may surprise you ! escapes all long term models but just like the storm near Yucatan shows up from time to time.) 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2017/sep/19/hurricane-maria-category-5-caribbean-live-updates" rel="nofollow - https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2017/sep/19/hurricane-maria-category-5-caribbean-live-updates

https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/maria-headed-catastrophic-hit-puerto-rico-st-croix" rel="nofollow - https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/maria-headed-catastrophic-hit-puerto-rico-st-croix


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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 20 2017 at 9:48pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX9xKHi3RBY" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX9xKHi3RBY BPEarthwatch-both "Jose" and "Maria" may bring a lot of rain into the US 9different models from Washington DC to Boston) Also mentions "Lee"reactivating mid-Atlantic, remnants of storms on the North Atlantic bringing severe weather to the UK. (I think it was BPEarthWatch that was drawing the conclusion that lows attrack eachother-a low near Yucatan could pull "Maria" towards the US. Eventhough not as a cat-5 but still with a lot of waves, rain etc.-very bad outlook !)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD7g-wZXg3Q" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD7g-wZXg3Q MrMBB333 extreme flashfloods in Puerto Rico-island could be out of electricity for 4 to 6 months.

Both BPEarthWatch and MrMBB333 are also trying to follow earthquake news. There seems to be an increase of stronger quakes. There may be some relation with hurricanes. The amount of water that is being moved (via waves, rain, clouds) is very large-it may replace seismic pressure. 


http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/opinion-editorial/hal-turner-commentary/1292-puerto-rico-is-about-to-go-mad-max" rel="nofollow - http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/opinion-editorial/hal-turner-commentary/1292-puerto-rico-is-about-to-go-mad-max

For the moment http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/" rel="nofollow - http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/


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Posted By: Satori
Date Posted: September 21 2017 at 9:36am

http://www.desdemonadespair.net/2017/09/the-scariest-thing-about-2017s.html" rel="nofollow - The scariest thing about 2017’s hurricanes: They keep getting really strong, really fast


http://www.desdemonadespair.net/2017/09/the-scariest-thing-about-2017s.html

(The Washington Post) – “Maria is developing the dreaded pinhole eye,” http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2017/al15/al152017.discus.010.shtml?" rel="nofollow - wrote National Hurricane Center forecaster Jack Beven on Monday evening, as the storm reached Category 4 intensity.

That inward contraction of a hurricane’s eye can be one telltale indicator of what hurricane gurus technically call “rapid intensification,” although a more evocative word might simply be “explosion.” Whatever you call it, it’s something we keep seeing this year. Harvey, Irma, Jose and now Maria have rapidly strengthened — and all too often, have done it just before striking land.

It’s a dangerous and scary phenomenon that scientists and forecasters are still trying to understand.

“It’s not a common event. Typically, that occurs in maybe 5 percent of our forecasts,” said Mark DeMaria, acting deputy director of the National Hurricane Center.

But DeMaria said that this season is seeing more rapid intensification events than usual and that Maria, in particular, appears to have set a key record for hurricane rapid intensification in the Atlantic.

“Looking back through the records, Maria went from a tropical depression to a Category 5 hurricane in just two and a half days,” he said. “I couldn’t find any other tropical cyclones in our historical record that went that quickly from a depression to a Category 5 hurricane.”

That’s a big problem, because rapid intensification sets the stage for worst-case scenarios. Sadly, that’s what happened to the Caribbean island of Dominica on Monday night, hit by Maria at full Category 5 strength.




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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 21 2017 at 11:55am
So far no updates from BPEarthwatch, MrMBB333 etc.-it seems to be very hard to predict what "Jose" and "Maria" will do. 

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Atlantic_hurricane_season" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Atlantic_hurricane_season
2017 Atlantic hurricane season so far did bring two cat 4 hurricanes "Jose" and "Harvey", and two cat 5 hurricanes "Irma" and "Maria"-they all were active this month. Very bizar !

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-21/bay-area-sues-big-oil-billions" rel="nofollow - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-21/bay-area-sues-big-oil-billions and https://robertscribbler.com/2017/09/20/san-francisco-and-oakland-sue-fossil-fuel-companies-over-rising-sea-levels/" rel="nofollow - https://robertscribbler.com/2017/09/20/san-francisco-and-oakland-sue-fossil-fuel-companies-over-rising-sea-levels/ (DJ; of course politics did give big oil all the room they wanted-for decades-to destroy the enviroment. Now they claim they did not know what would come ? A bit hypocrite in my opinion.)

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-21/whole-towns-have-been-wiped-out-hurricane-maria-devastates-tiny-caribbean-island-dom" rel="nofollow - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-21/whole-towns-have-been-wiped-out-hurricane-maria-devastates-tiny-caribbean-island-dom

https://robertscribbler.com/2017/09/21/dark-and-flooded-puerto-rico-devastated-by-marias-unprecedented-rains-terrible-winds/" rel="nofollow - https://robertscribbler.com/2017/09/21/dark-and-flooded-puerto-rico-devastated-by-marias-unprecedented-rains-terrible-winds/

DJ-The 2017 hurricane season is proberbly far from over. If "alarmists" are correct things only will get much worse very fast. Stronger "superstorms" may become the "new normal" very soon-in that scenario. If that "model" would become reality that would effect the way "the world can work". 


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Posted By: Satori
Date Posted: September 21 2017 at 5:24pm

http://www.desdemonadespair.net/2017/09/hurricane-scientist-kerry-emanuel-why.html" rel="nofollow - Hurricane scientist Kerry Emanuel: Why it’s time to stop calling these hurricane disasters ‘natural’


http://www.desdemonadespair.net/2017/09/hurricane-scientist-kerry-emanuel-why.html



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Posted By: CRS, DrPH
Date Posted: September 21 2017 at 5:49pm
Originally posted by Satori Satori wrote:

http://www.desdemonadespair.net/2017/09/hurricane-scientist-kerry-emanuel-why.html" rel="nofollow - Hurricane scientist Kerry Emanuel: Why it’s time to stop calling these hurricane disasters ‘natural’


http://www.desdemonadespair.net/2017/09/hurricane-scientist-kerry-emanuel-why.html


Thanks, Satori!  Indeed, our global warming is turning the oceans into massive storm machines.  We sow what we reap. 


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Posted By: Satori
Date Posted: September 21 2017 at 7:55pm

Hurricane MARIA JET-STREAM Will Determine East Coast Fate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETKDFWnJt38

Just like the Hurricane path models after 3-5 days its nearly impossible to tell what changes may occur. We saw this exact situation with Hurricane Irma. About 30 hours before Irma was projected to turn north and hit the east coast of Florida we had an unexpected "break" in the Jet-Stream. This caused a separate wall of pressure to stay along the length of the east coast while the other side re-formed North by Canada. This break is the reason Irma was stuck south and eventually hit Cuba then once the pressure passed it went north but to the west coast instead. This is very important to remember not only because it may change the path of Maria but because we are still days away from the forecast. Much can change in the coming days and with such little space to go the smallest of changes in the Jet-stream can be the difference in a Land-fall or Maria staying out in the Atlantic.




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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 21 2017 at 9:28pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fJDmFpIo6I" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fJDmFpIo6I BPEarthWatch; discussing the several models, first week of october two storms forming near the Caribean. But models do change.

https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/marias-parting-shot-flash-floods-hammer-puerto-rico" rel="nofollow - https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/marias-parting-shot-flash-floods-hammer-puerto-rico  

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/21/puerto-rico-hurricane-maria-storm-floods" rel="nofollow - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/21/puerto-rico-hurricane-maria-storm-floods


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Posted By: EdwinSm,
Date Posted: September 21 2017 at 11:08pm
[I don't know if this fits here, but a moderator could move this to a new thread if needed]


The situation in Puerto Rico, could well give us an indication of how things might go in a general collapse following a pandemic.  Currently 3.5 million people without electricity that could take months to restore.   Hot weather without air conditioning.  Unclear relationship to the rest of the USA (due to the island's unique status).  An area heavily in debt but legally unable to seek bankruptcy protection. 

Lets see how this unfolds and if there are lessons we can learn to help us in out preps.




Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: September 22 2017 at 1:58am
No Edwin, That is fine where it is.  I wish everyone took as much care where they put stuff as you just did.  Thanks.




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Posted By: Satori
Date Posted: September 22 2017 at 4:24am
Originally posted by EdwinSm, EdwinSm, wrote:

[I don't know if this fits here, but a moderator could move this to a new thread if needed]


The situation in Puerto Rico, could well give us an indication of how things might go in a general collapse following a pandemic.  Currently 3.5 million people without electricity that could take months to restore.   Hot weather without air conditioning.  Unclear relationship to the rest of the USA (due to the island's unique status).  An area heavily in debt but legally unable to seek bankruptcy protection. 

Lets see how this unfolds and if there are lessons we can learn to help us in out preps.




along those lines of how people will behave,there is this

'Time to eat, but not to fix my power': Drink dumped on electrician grabbing lunch after 12-hour shift

https://www.yahoo.com/news/apos-time-eat-not-fix-000903409.html


remember

this is AMuriKa

it's ALL ABOUT ME ME ME


I would have had that #$^%$# arrested and then filed a civil suit against her



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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 22 2017 at 5:37am
EdwinSm-there is always the disaster after the disaster. Haïti got a cholera-outbreak (linked to Nepalese UN-peacekeepers) after the initial earthquake. Many islands in the Caribean find themselves in a Peurto-Rico like situation. "Independent" means in this case hoping someone will provide help. 

With the hurricane-winds and waves-all kind of animals, virusses, bacteria have been transported to areaś with dead animals on the street and high humidity and temperature. 

Proberbly lots of people are trying to find a new-safe-home elsewere-refugees are logical after several hurricanes and no income. 

Severe storms could do very much damage to even well developed countries. There is a limit in what a country can deal with. 


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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 22 2017 at 10:42pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfvIdOPkTL8" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfvIdOPkTL8 BPEarthWatch with an optimistic view-for the short term for the US. Both "Jose" and "Maria" would pose limited risks-although models differ. 

Government insanity:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-22/florida-residents-warned-theyll-be-ticketed-hurricane-damaged-homes" rel="nofollow - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-22/florida-residents-warned-theyll-be-ticketed-hurricane-damaged-homes

https://www.rt.com/usa/403377-air-force-sprays-harvey-chemicals/" rel="nofollow - https://www.rt.com/usa/403377-air-force-sprays-harvey-chemicals/

http://robinwestenra.blogspot.nl/2017/09/fema-camps-and-mass-graves-speculation.html" rel="nofollow - http://robinwestenra.blogspot.nl/2017/09/fema-camps-and-mass-graves-speculation.html

http://thebulletin.org/after-storms-have-passed-rebuilding-climate-change-mind11131" rel="nofollow - http://thebulletin.org/after-storms-have-passed-rebuilding-climate-change-mind11131

Since in a lot of area's there are no kitchens left, preparation of food could be a risk. No electricity means a lot of food may become uneatable. 

"Lee" has a second life; http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/025621.shtml?tswind120#contents" rel="nofollow - http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/025621.shtml?tswind120#contents . The speed in wich clouds can develop into a cat 5 hurricane-within 48 hours-the way systems interact-a depression could push a hurricane in the opposite direction than models expected-makes making models very hard. 

https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/more-havoc-category-3-maria-plows-northward" rel="nofollow - https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/more-havoc-category-3-maria-plows-northward

There is an increase in earthquakes-the movement of extreme large amounts of water by hurricanes may play a role;
https://paulbeckwith.net/2017/09/22/can-hurricanes-trigger-earthquakes/" rel="nofollow - https://paulbeckwith.net/2017/09/22/can-hurricanes-trigger-earthquakes/
(good video/info part A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puQBf1l58ek&t=639s" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puQBf1l58ek&t=639s
partB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpRZ0n1Fz4U" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpRZ0n1Fz4U and part C https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92Bbl5mVztM" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92Bbl5mVztM )

latest long term model;
http://www.myfoxhurricane.com/custom/models/gfsext/gfsext_atl_pwater.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.myfoxhurricane.com/custom/models/gfsext/gfsext_atl_pwater.html  
just one hurricane forming round oct 8 in the Gulf.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Atlantic_hurricane_season" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Atlantic_hurricane_season gets updated daily-indirect damage is much larger. Investments will be made not in regions with high-hurricane risks or damages, people will move to safer places. 


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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 23 2017 at 10:15pm
MrMBB333 with his latest https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPAidtj3-3s" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPAidtj3-3s "Maria" tends to move towards the US East Coast bringing at least a lot of rain-from North Carolina all the way up to New York, Pennsylvania, second half of the coming week. So still a lot could change.

http://www.myfoxhurricane.com/custom/models/gfsext/gfsext_atl_pwater.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.myfoxhurricane.com/custom/models/gfsext/gfsext_atl_pwater.html Shows sept 27 "Maria" making a short landfall-hanging in the coastal area for 36hrs-and then moving into the north Atlantic. This model now expects a storm west of Florida oct. 9. (But that keeps changing from model to model-just an indication hurricane season is not over yet. At the hurricane-appendix I will try to look at tendencies for stronger storms in october due to climate change).

https://robertscribbler.com/2017/09/22/half-way-to-catastrophe-sixth-global-mass-extinction-to-be-triggered-by-or-before-2100-without-rapid-emissions-cuts/" rel="nofollow - https://robertscribbler.com/2017/09/22/half-way-to-catastrophe-sixth-global-mass-extinction-to-be-triggered-by-or-before-2100-without-rapid-emissions-cuts/ (DJ; "the magical year 2100" please....stop non-sense talk about now !)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4sCI-1U3-0&feature=youtu.be" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4sCI-1U3-0&feature=youtu.be The Real News on Puerto Rico-the disaster after the disaster, and not only for Puert Rico. 

http://robinwestenra.blogspot.nl/2017/09/giant-antarctic-iceberg-head-out-to-sea.html" rel="nofollow - http://robinwestenra.blogspot.nl/2017/09/giant-antarctic-iceberg-head-out-to-sea.html

DJ; When we are in the "abrupt" "exponential" part of climate change we have to expect the extremes going more extreme, extreme temperatures, rainfall, wind, storm etc. The slow movers will be water expanding due to warming up-but a storm could bring sealevel rise water going to places that normaly would stay dry during floods. Heatwaves in Greenland or Antarctica ? Proberbly coming increasing ice-melt !


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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 24 2017 at 1:38am
"Lee" has become a cat-1 hurricane mid-Atlantic http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATCMAT4+shtml/240624.shtml" rel="nofollow - http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATCMAT4+shtml/240624.shtml this could influence other developments. 

https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/marias-forecast-path-edging-closer-outer-banks" rel="nofollow - https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/marias-forecast-path-edging-closer-outer-banks "Maria" could get to cat-4. "Disturbence" Invest 98-E could turn into a tropical depression bringing much rain to the Mexico-Texas borders. 

http://cci-reanalyzer.org/wx/fcst/#GFS.NATLAN-CED.WS10-MSLP" rel="nofollow - http://cci-reanalyzer.org/wx/fcst/#GFS.NATLAN-CED.WS10-MSLP this model also showing a "disturbance close to East-Florida oct 1/2. and http://cci-reanalyzer.org/wx/fcst/#GFS.NATLAN-CED.PRCP-MSLP-GPH500" rel="nofollow - http://cci-reanalyzer.org/wx/fcst/#GFS.NATLAN-CED.PRCP-MSLP-GPH500  

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/23/puerto-rico-hurricane-maria-communication-lines-dam" rel="nofollow - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/23/puerto-rico-hurricane-maria-communication-lines-dam (DJ-situation in parts of Asia are even far worse-healthrisks and refugees will increase global.)

DJ;One of the things we should learn from this hurricane season is how fast hurricanes can develop. Models may be running behind the facts-faster computers need more data to give better results. An other point is that-with much damage the loss of life seems to be limited so far. Good information saves lives !


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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 24 2017 at 12:31pm
http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/local-news-nyc-nj-ct/1312-hurricane-maria-models-showing-n-carolina-impact-concerns-for-nc-to-nyc" rel="nofollow - http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/local-news-nyc-nj-ct/1312-hurricane-maria-models-showing-n-carolina-impact-concerns-for-nc-to-nyc

BPEarthWatch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkYnrBa3QsM" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkYnrBa3QsM

Dahboo77 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WT2Dgn-BTOE" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WT2Dgn-BTOE

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at5+shtml/144825.shtml?tswind120#contents" rel="nofollow - http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at5+shtml/144825.shtml?tswind120#contents

http://www.theorganicprepper.ca/shtf-puerto-rico-last-night-09212017" rel="nofollow - http://www.theorganicprepper.ca/shtf-puerto-rico-last-night-09212017


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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 24 2017 at 9:37pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEy9_VRejUs" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEy9_VRejUs BPEarthWatch the closer "Maria" gets to the North Carolina coast the warmer the Sea Surface Temperature-and the stronger the storm. 

Both BPEarthWatch-models ( 3.30 in video) and long-term models indicate more storms forming http://www.myfoxhurricane.com/custom/models/gfsext/gfsext_atl_pwater.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.myfoxhurricane.com/custom/models/gfsext/gfsext_atl_pwater.html (oct 10 Gulf near Mexico)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9fvh6ej4nk&t=299" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9fvh6ej4nk&t=299 13NewsNow-good presentation.

http://cci-reanalyzer.org/wx/fcst/#GFS.NATLAN-CED.WS10-MSLP" rel="nofollow - http://cci-reanalyzer.org/wx/fcst/#GFS.NATLAN-CED.WS10-MSLP Remnants of hurricanes move towards UK, Norway, Greenland.

https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/cat-2-maria-headed-north-will-come-close-nc-outer-banks" rel="nofollow - https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/cat-2-maria-headed-north-will-come-close-nc-outer-banks After "Pilar" making landfall in West Mexico some of the rain may end up in West Texas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsxkC5-mQus" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsxkC5-mQus Decommissioned nuclear power plant (from 1964 still radioactive material stored inside) Puerto Rico was hit by the hurricane.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/9/24/1701125/-3-5-million-Americans-face-disease-death-in-Puerto-Rico-What-the-hell-is-Trump-doing" rel="nofollow - https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/9/24/1701125/-3-5-million-Americans-face-disease-death-in-Puerto-Rico-What-the-hell-is-Trump-doing



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Posted By: EdwinSm,
Date Posted: September 26 2017 at 2:31am
They might not destroy the US yet, but Puerto Rico looks like it might be left out to fend for itself.

This is compounded by the high level of debt (and not allowed to use US bankruptcy rules)

All this gives an interesting dilemma for the current administration...either pay up or expect a lot of people fro Puerto Rico to move to the mainland.   Neither option seems like it would appeal to its fan base.

Originally posted by BBC BBC wrote:

]Puerto Rican Governor Ricardo Rosello, who is seeking federal funds, warned of a "massive exodus" without aid....

Puerto Rico is facing the collapse of its electricity and communications network as it evacuates flooded families and examines damaged infrastructure. A major dam is at risk of collapse.

Insured losses across the Caribbean are already estimated to range from $40bn to $85bn, with about 85% of the damage found in Puerto Rico, according to disaster modelling firm AIR Worldwide....

the island's debt means that it cannot borrow money for the emergency on its own.....

The island's status as a commonwealth and not a state means it has fewer advocates in Congress, which could complicate funding efforts, said Ted Hampton, a Moody's analyst.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-41391045" rel="nofollow - http://www.bbc.com/news/business-41391045


Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 26 2017 at 5:02am
13NewsNow latest update on "Maria" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cGJCg-TqWA" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cGJCg-TqWA  

http://statefort.com/the-rachel-maddow-show-on-msnbc/" rel="nofollow - http://statefort.com/the-rachel-maddow-show-on-msnbc/ h.clinton did think "Irma" was funny, Trump https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/sep/26/trump-puerto-rico-crisis-massive-debt" rel="nofollow - https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/sep/26/trump-puerto-rico-crisis-massive-debt

http://www.myfoxhurricane.com/custom/models/gfsext/gfsext_atl_pwater.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.myfoxhurricane.com/custom/models/gfsext/gfsext_atl_pwater.html latest model does not see new storms forming. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Atlantic_hurricane_season" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Atlantic_hurricane_season latest update:

The 2017 Atlantic hurricane season is an ongoing event in the annual formation of  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropical_cyclone" rel="nofollow - tropical cyclones  in the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_basin" rel="nofollow - Atlantic basin . The season has been very active, the most active since  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Atlantic_hurricane_season" rel="nofollow - 2005  in terms of  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accumulated_cyclone_energy" rel="nofollow - ACE . In addition, it is the costliest season on record, with at least $180 billion (USD) in damages, all of which mostly were contributed by the three top storms of the season:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Harvey" rel="nofollow - Hurricanes Harvey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Irma" rel="nofollow - Irma , and  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Maria" rel="nofollow - Maria . The season is also  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Category_5_Atlantic_hurricanes#Systems" rel="nofollow - one of only six years  to feature at least two Category 5 hurricanes: Irma and Maria. Along with  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Atlantic_hurricane_season" rel="nofollow - 2007 , Maria's landfall on  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominica" rel="nofollow - Dominica  also makes 2017 the second season on record to feature two hurricanes making landfall at Category 5 intensity. In addition, Irma was the strongest hurricane ever recorded to form in the Atlantic Ocean outside of the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Mexico" rel="nofollow - Gulf of Mexico  and  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caribbean_Sea" rel="nofollow - Caribbean Sea


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Posted By: jacksdad
Date Posted: September 26 2017 at 9:22am
Trump appears to be blaming Puerto Rico for the damage caused by Hurricane Maria. And instead of empathizing, he's actually tweeting that they're not going to be off the hook for the money they owe Wall Street. The swamp must be happy with their new President.

http://secondnexus.com/politics-and-economics/trump-blames-puerto-rico-hurricane-maria/?utm_content=inf_10_1164_2&tse_id=INF_5d884810a2cc11e7897b1b4a01a12704" rel="nofollow - http://secondnexus.com/politics-and-economics/trump-blames-puerto-rico-hurricane-maria/?utm_content=inf_10_1164_2&tse_id=INF_5d884810a2cc11e7897b1b4a01a12704




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"Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary.


Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 26 2017 at 10:02pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PRuGvEZZyQ" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PRuGvEZZyQ MrMBB333 latest; "Maria" and (cat 3 almost "Lee" ) moving over the Atlantic towards the UK-Iceland (bringing warm air to the Arctic). Puerto Rico (and many other islands) still a disasterzone-somethingh should be done NOW ! No new storms in the models.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/" rel="nofollow - http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/ and http://www.myfoxhurricane.com/custom/models/gfsext/gfsext_atl_pwater.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.myfoxhurricane.com/custom/models/gfsext/gfsext_atl_pwater.html (this model has a storm forming oct 10 moving in to Texas)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb6GlQkEzsA" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb6GlQkEzsA !3News Now on "Maria".

http://robinwestenra.blogspot.nl/2017/09/hurricane-maria-has-crushed-puerto.html" rel="nofollow - http://robinwestenra.blogspot.nl/2017/09/hurricane-maria-has-crushed-puerto.html food production is effected.

http://cci-reanalyzer.org/wx/fcst/#GFS.NATLAN-CED.WS10-MSLP" rel="nofollow - http://cci-reanalyzer.org/wx/fcst/#GFS.NATLAN-CED.WS10-MSLP 10 day forecast wind North Atlantic. (In beginning of october 2 depressions mid-Atlantic)

http://cci-reanalyzer.org/wx/fcst/#GFS-025deg.NH-SAT1.T2_anom-MSLP" rel="nofollow - http://cci-reanalyzer.org/wx/fcst/#GFS-025deg.NH-SAT1.T2_anom-MSLP old hurricanes warming up the Arctic. NOT GOOD !!!




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Posted By: Satori
Date Posted: September 27 2017 at 5:42am

How Many More '500-Year Storms' Will People Endure Before They Start Abandoning Coastal Cities?


http://www.alternet.org/environment/how-many-500-year-storms-must-batter-shores-coastal-residents-pack-and-leave


the very definition of insanity and STUPIDITY

One "exit barrier" has to do with a 49-year-old program called the National Flood Insurance Program. Under the current law, homeowners are required to rebuild on their land—even after suffering through multiple floods. "Through the National Flood Insurance Program, we know there are about 30,000 properties that flood repeatedly," said Rob Moore, senior policy analyst for the NRDC's water program. "On average, these properties have  https://www.nrdc.org/stories/climate-change-sinking-national-flood-insurance-program" rel="nofollow - flooded about five times ." Only around one percent of these properties carry flood insurance, reports NPR, but have been responsible for about  http://www.npr.org/2017/09/21/552708255/national-flood-insurance-program-will-pay-out-billions-for-a-few-properties" rel="nofollow - 25 percent of the paid claims .

Jennifer Bayles, a homeowner in the Houston metro area who was  http://www.npr.org/2017/09/21/552708255/national-flood-insurance-program-will-pay-out-billions-for-a-few-properties" rel="nofollow - interviewed  last week on NPR, paid $83,000 for her house in 1992. After the first flood in 2009, insurance paid her $200,000, then an additional $200,000 following the next flood. Now, post-Harvey, she expects to receive around $300,000.




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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 27 2017 at 9:36pm
@Satori, making mistakes again and again is insane ! 

MrMBB333 on "Maria" again cat1-moving NORTH in stead of east ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bKKYPbr3_o" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bKKYPbr3_o He earlier expected "Maria" and "Lee"to become a "superstorm" hitting the UK coming monday. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3zpRPnWdNA" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3zpRPnWdNA .

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5" rel="nofollow - http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5 South-East of Cuba-not far from Florida-new storm forming. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29OjgaY1SK8" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29OjgaY1SK8 Paul Beckwith the disaster after the disaster.
Better preparations can limit damage of extreme weather. Power is basic for repairs, food, airco..

https://robertscribbler.com/2017/09/27/climate-change-related-extreme-weather-rocks-world-weird-major-hurricane-forms-east-of-bermuda-cyclone-energy-closing-in-on-records/" rel="nofollow - https://robertscribbler.com/2017/09/27/climate-change-related-extreme-weather-rocks-world-weird-major-hurricane-forms-east-of-bermuda-cyclone-energy-closing-in-on-records/

DJ; in south Asia the situation is far worse-but not making the headlines. Models now seem to be unable to catch up with reality. Monitoring-"now"casting more than "fore"casting. http://cci-reanalyzer.org/wx/fcst/#GFS.NATLAN-CED.WS10-MSLP" rel="nofollow - http://cci-reanalyzer.org/wx/fcst/#GFS.NATLAN-CED.WS10-MSLP (may be missing to much to work)





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Posted By: Satori
Date Posted: September 28 2017 at 7:14pm

HURRICANE Update! #NATE #OPHELIA #PHILIPPE ALL Shown In Next 10 Days!?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCf5bnTUQro


"another solid month of significant storms"



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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 28 2017 at 11:26pm
BPEartWatch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zV4mFlD_MQM" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zV4mFlD_MQM Florida watch short term. http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5" rel="nofollow - http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5 NHC saterday Florida can expect showers-wind.

Satori; for%20the%20link%20" rel="nofollow - for the link after the link makes it a direct link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCf5bnTUQro" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCf5bnTUQro In2ThinAir (good info but 25 minutes !)

long term model http://www.myfoxhurricane.com/custom/models/gfsext/gfsext_atl_pwater.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.myfoxhurricane.com/custom/models/gfsext/gfsext_atl_pwater.html
oct 1 small storm eastern florida, oct 7 bigger storm moving along the US east coast, a "disturbance"in the central Atlantic. The 7 oct storm splitting up in 3 seperate storms ? 

Coming weekend/monday western Europe can expect rain/wind from ex"Maria" and ex"Lee".

Most "news"shows have very limited time for the weather-specialized sources dig (much to) deep and play it on the safe side. You Tube gives other people a chance-some try to inform, others try to shock. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Atlantic_hurricane_season" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Atlantic_hurricane_season gives good evaluations, enables to compare the 2017 with the 2005 season. Both extreme-but is this proof of abrupt climate change ? Or what you can expect looking at statistics ? (Or maybe a bit of both-you need more info). 

The damage these storms bring to the already troubled-debt burdened economy of the US is very large on the long term. One hurricane effecting production for a few days every ten years a company might be willing to except-ten hurricanes in one year is simply relocation of the company. Tourism will get effected, logistics, infrastructure needs rebuilding-improvements. 


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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 29 2017 at 3:49am
https://robertscribbler.com/2017/09/28/a-call-for-all-true-americans-to-stand-with-puerto-rico-in-their-hour-of-need/" rel="nofollow - https://robertscribbler.com/2017/09/28/a-call-for-all-true-americans-to-stand-with-puerto-rico-in-their-hour-of-need/ The people that are responsible for climate change proberbly make money with everey disaster they-de facto-created. The mechanisms in society need rethinking. https://robertscribbler.com/2017/09/28/with-indicators-pointing-toward-back-to-back-la-ninas-nasa-shows-august-2017-was-second-hottest-on-record/" rel="nofollow - https://robertscribbler.com/2017/09/28/with-indicators-pointing-toward-back-to-back-la-ninas-nasa-shows-august-2017-was-second-hottest-on-record/

https://www.ventusky.com/?p=26.2;-63.1;3&l=wind&t=20171008/12" rel="nofollow - https://www.ventusky.com/?p=26.2;-63.1;3&l=wind&t=20171008/12 shows 4 stormsystems in the Atlantic/Caribean, and a hurricane west of Mexico sunday oct 8. This is just a model but also a warning.
http://cci-reanalyzer.org/wx/fcst/#GFS.NATLAN-CED.WS10-MSLP" rel="nofollow - http://cci-reanalyzer.org/wx/fcst/#GFS.NATLAN-CED.WS10-MSLP


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Que sera, sera, Whatever will be, will be, The future is not ours to see, Que sera, sera !


Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 29 2017 at 12:37pm
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5" rel="nofollow - http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5 two disturbences in the Carabean.
BPEarthWatch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgoBMgk8OOg" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgoBMgk8OOg  

13newsnow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtgAlVITLS8" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtgAlVITLS8


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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: September 29 2017 at 9:13pm
MrMBB333 Mississippi running dry near Memphis, (or is it not the main river ? DJ) should effect grain (and other) transport, water supply etc. New storm for Florida on its way oct 7, A pacific cat 4 might move inland via Mexico to bring extreme rainfall in Arizona. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjwjUkoAxEM" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjwjUkoAxEM

NHC Atlantic http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5" rel="nofollow - http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5 , Pacific http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=epac&fdays=5" rel="nofollow - http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=epac&fdays=5

https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/wait-and-see-time-florida-disturbance-maria-lee-head-out" rel="nofollow - https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/wait-and-see-time-florida-disturbance-maria-lee-head-out older https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/maria-and-lee-way-out-new-tropical-depression-possible-near-florida" rel="nofollow - https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/maria-and-lee-way-out-new-tropical-depression-possible-near-florida

https://robertscribbler.com/2017/09/29/reflections-of-opal-and-why-trumps-response-to-marias-monumental-strike-on-puerto-rico-is-thus-far-vastly-inadequate/" rel="nofollow - https://robertscribbler.com/2017/09/29/reflections-of-opal-and-why-trumps-response-to-marias-monumental-strike-on-puerto-rico-is-thus-far-vastly-inadequate/

The oct7 hurricane formation http://www.myfoxhurricane.com/custom/models/gfsext/gfsext_atl_pwater.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.myfoxhurricane.com/custom/models/gfsext/gfsext_atl_pwater.html

http://cci-reanalyzer.org/wx/fcst/#GFS.CONUS-CED.PRCP-MSLP-GPH500" rel="nofollow - http://cci-reanalyzer.org/wx/fcst/#GFS.CONUS-CED.PRCP-MSLP-GPH500 7 day US rain
http://cci-reanalyzer.org/wx/fcst/#GFS.NATLAN-CED.WS10-MSLP" rel="nofollow - http://cci-reanalyzer.org/wx/fcst/#GFS.NATLAN-CED.WS10-MSLP 10 day North Atlantic wind showing 2 storms oct 7 (Florida and Atlantic maybe touching eastern Canada)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Atlantic_hurricane_season" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Atlantic_hurricane_season update;
The 2017 Atlantic hurricane season is an ongoing event in the annual formation of  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropical_cyclone" rel="nofollow - tropical cyclones  in the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_basin" rel="nofollow - Atlantic basin . The season has been very active, featuring five major hurricanes, the highest number since  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Atlantic_hurricane_season" rel="nofollow - 2010  as well as the most  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accumulated_cyclone_energy" rel="nofollow - accumulated cyclone energy  (ACE) since  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Atlantic_hurricane_season" rel="nofollow - 2005 . In addition, it is potentially the costliest season on record, with a preliminary total of over $183 billion ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_states_dollar" rel="nofollow - USD ) in damages, nearly all of which were primarily contributed to by three of the major hurricanes of the season: Hurricanes  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Harvey" rel="nofollow - Harvey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Irma" rel="nofollow - Irma , and  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Maria" rel="nofollow - Maria . The season also saw multiple rainfall records being broken, especially from Hurricane Harvey. The season is also  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Category_5_Atlantic_hurricanes#Systems" rel="nofollow - one of only six years  to feature at least two Category 5 hurricanes: Irma and Maria. Along with  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Atlantic_hurricane_season" rel="nofollow - 2007 , Irma’s landfall on  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbuda" rel="nofollow - Barbuda , and Maria's landfall on  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominica" rel="nofollow - Dominica , also makes 2017 the second season on record to feature two hurricanes making landfall at Category 5 intensity. In addition, Irma was the strongest hurricane ever recorded to form in the Atlantic Ocean outside of the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Mexico" rel="nofollow - Gulf of Mexico  and  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caribbean_Sea" rel="nofollow - Caribbean Sea . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Atlantic_hurricane_season#cite_note-1" rel="nofollow - [1]  This season is also the only season on record in which three hurricanes individually had an  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accumulated_cyclone_energy" rel="nofollow - ACE  of over 40:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Irma" rel="nofollow - Irma https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Jose_%282017%29" rel="nofollow - Jose , and  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Maria" rel="nofollow - Maria .




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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: October 01 2017 at 10:31pm
BPEarthWatch following several disturbences in the Caribean https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC2R5A4ezlE" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC2R5A4ezlE One may become a hurricane oct 7-risk for Florida, Carolina's. 

MrMBB333 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_58btVJyFa8" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_58btVJyFa8  Flash flooding for Puerto Rico, more rain on its way. Several storms developing in the Gulf-oct 8-9 (but that is to far for any certainty-models also not telling the same story. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_XWW9CNWMU" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_XWW9CNWMU Mississippi Rivergoing dry above New Madrd fault (?) (Region had more than enough rain, link with Mexican earthquake ? Did "Harvey" bring to much rain-crack in the river floor ?)

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5" rel="nofollow - http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5


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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: October 03 2017 at 9:20pm
At least two major storms for the US to watch; http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5" rel="nofollow - http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5 Carabean and http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=epac&fdays=5" rel="nofollow - http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=epac&fdays=5 (Baja) California. 

MrMBB333 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j60kSWDiN4" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j60kSWDiN4

BPEarthWatch solidarity with Puerto Rico-refugees; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=losz3Ik1XA0" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=losz3Ik1XA0

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-03/hurricane-harvey-surge-nado-auto-saar-soars-30-year-high-hurricane-replacements" rel="nofollow - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-03/hurricane-harvey-surge-nado-auto-saar-soars-30-year-high-hurricane-replacements

https://www.rt.com/usa/405571-trump-puerto-rico-hurricane-relief/" rel="nofollow - https://www.rt.com/usa/405571-trump-puerto-rico-hurricane-relief/ (I am not even beginning to mention the "political chaos", I have worked in childcare with 2-3 year olds that are more adult...DJ)

Models:

https://www.ventusky.com/?p=30.4;-84.8;3&l=wind&t=20171008/03" rel="nofollow - https://www.ventusky.com/?p=30.4;-84.8;3&l=wind&t=20171008/03 oct 8 cat 1 or 2 landfall between east Texas-Florida panhandle, Pacific storm seems to be gone in this model.

http://cci-reanalyzer.org/wx/fcst/#GFS.CONUS-CED.WS10-MSLP" rel="nofollow - http://cci-reanalyzer.org/wx/fcst/#GFS.CONUS-CED.WS10-MSLP also has the Baja California strong storm moving up to California gone ! (Correction https://www.ventusky.com/?p=30.4;-84.8;3&l=wind&t=20171013/12" rel="nofollow - https://www.ventusky.com/?p=30.4;-84.8;3&l=wind&t=20171013/12 shows hurricane south of LA west of Baja California, also Climate Reanalyzer shows it oct 13. Storms forms further west in the Pacific, I was looking at the wrong depression Southern Mexico-developing. ) 
http://www.myfoxhurricane.com/custom/models/gfsext/gfsext_atl_pwater.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.myfoxhurricane.com/custom/models/gfsext/gfsext_atl_pwater.html shows some Atlantic disturbences.

https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/calm-next-atlantic-storm" rel="nofollow - https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/calm-next-atlantic-storm climate change link-more warming = more hurricanes.

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/03102017/infographic-ocean-heat-powerful-climate-change-evidence-global-warming" rel="nofollow - https://insideclimatenews.org/news/03102017/infographic-ocean-heat-powerful-climate-change-evidence-global-warming


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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: October 04 2017 at 12:40pm
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at1+shtml/175742.shtml?gm_track#contents" rel="nofollow - http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at1+shtml/175742.shtml?gm_track#contents Tropical Depression 16 will become Tropical Storm "Nate" within hours http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATCDAT1+shtml/041441.shtml" rel="nofollow - http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATCDAT1+shtml/041441.shtml

In the Pacific "Ramon" has formed http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATCDEP4+shtml/041435.shtml" rel="nofollow - http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATCDEP4+shtml/041435.shtml

https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/tropical-depression-16-forms-southwest-caribbean" rel="nofollow - https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/tropical-depression-16-forms-southwest-caribbean

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2017/10/02/this-years-category-5-hurricanes-traveled-the-most-distance-ever-recorded-in-the-atlantic/?utm_term=.dab28218e528" rel="nofollow - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2017/10/02/this-years-category-5-hurricanes-traveled-the-most-distance-ever-recorded-in-the-atlantic/?utm_term=.dab28218e528

http://robinwestenra.blogspot.nl/2017/10/trump-in-puerto-rico.html?spref=fb" rel="nofollow - http://robinwestenra.blogspot.nl/2017/10/trump-in-puerto-rico.html?spref=fb

http://robinwestenra.blogspot.nl/2017/10/storm-warning-for-new-orleans.html" rel="nofollow - http://robinwestenra.blogspot.nl/2017/10/storm-warning-for-new-orleans.html

Total damage this year so far (at least) 224,120 milion US$, with Harvay 70,000, Irma 63,000, Maria 91,120 and more on its way https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Atlantic_hurricane_season#Season_effects" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Atlantic_hurricane_season#Season_effects

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/blog/2017/10/03/tuesday-watching-for-tropical-development-in-the-southwestern-caribbean/" rel="nofollow - https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/blog/2017/10/03/tuesday-watching-for-tropical-development-in-the-southwestern-caribbean/


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Que sera, sera, Whatever will be, will be, The future is not ours to see, Que sera, sera !


Posted By: Satori
Date Posted: October 04 2017 at 4:22pm

Tropical Storm Nate, expected later today, to hit Gulf Coast as a hurricane


http://www.miamiherald.com/news/weather/hurricane/article176926726.html


Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/weather/hurricane/article176926726.html#storylink=cpy


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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: October 04 2017 at 9:42pm
13News Now; 17% of all named storms are in October https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMMpVtzjPSE&t=76" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMMpVtzjPSE&t=76  lots of good info; central American monsoon and very warm water makes "Nate" stronger, two times landfall in central America weakens it. The GFS (Global Forcasting System) and European models are showing different pathways. GFS=New Orleans, Euro is Florida Panhandle. 

BPEarthWatch also expects "Nate" to move close to west Florida and interact with the Disturbance #1-two depressions pulling on eachother (bringing lots of rain to Florida) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDNOkyVZT_M" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDNOkyVZT_M   (On the extended models another Gulf storm oct 20 moving towards the US)

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at1+shtml/025407.shtml?mltoa34#contents" rel="nofollow - http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at1+shtml/025407.shtml?mltoa34#contents

MrMBB333 comparing "Maria" day 1 with "Nate"day 1; Nate is bigger.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAjVBLPshdA" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAjVBLPshdA  He expects "Nate" to get to cat 3 by the weekend bringing 1 foot+ (+30cm) of rain to the US gulf coast. 

DJ; Earthquake-wise the US was eerie quiet last few days, things seem te be getting back to "normal level"? 

https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/tropical-depression-16-forms-southwest-caribbean" rel="nofollow - https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/tropical-depression-16-forms-southwest-caribbean

The Pacific storm(s) are out of the models/or getting weaker fast.

http://www.myfoxhurricane.com/custom/models/gfsext/gfsext_atl_pwater.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.myfoxhurricane.com/custom/models/gfsext/gfsext_atl_pwater.html
http://cci-reanalyzer.org/wx/fcst/#GFS.CONUS-CED.WS10-MSLP" rel="nofollow - http://cci-reanalyzer.org/wx/fcst/#GFS.CONUS-CED.WS10-MSLP
http://cci-reanalyzer.org/wx/fcst/#GFS-025deg.NA-LC2.WS10" rel="nofollow - http://cci-reanalyzer.org/wx/fcst/#GFS-025deg.NA-LC2.WS10



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Posted By: Satori
Date Posted: October 05 2017 at 4:22pm

*BREAKING* Hurricane NATE STATE OF EMERGENCY And Evacuations Begin!


STATE Of Emergency Declared in Louisiana and Florida, If not already Mississippi and Alabama will follow.




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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: October 06 2017 at 4:38am
MrMBB333 expects "Nate" to get to cat 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pSNEslNChU" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pSNEslNChU ,
BPEarthWatch sees "Nate"moving west towards New Orleans https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlOKnQU2tA8" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlOKnQU2tA8  

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at1+shtml/091740.shtml?inundation#contents" rel="nofollow - http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at1+shtml/091740.shtml?inundation#contents
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at1+shtml/091740.shtml?rainqpf#contents" rel="nofollow - http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at1+shtml/091740.shtml?rainqpf#contents
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5" rel="nofollow - http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5 also some development on the Atlantic,
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at1+shtml/091740.shtml?mltoa34#contents" rel="nofollow - http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at1+shtml/091740.shtml?mltoa34#contents "Nate" still some strenght when it reaches the US Atlantic East Coast ! 

https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/tropical-storm-nate-may-hit-mexico-and-us-gulf-coast-strengthening-hurricane" rel="nofollow - https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/tropical-storm-nate-may-hit-mexico-and-us-gulf-coast-strengthening-hurricane  

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/blog/2017/10/05/thursday-evening-nate-to-impact-yucatan-friday-and-central-u-s-gulf-coast-by-saturday-or-sunday/" rel="nofollow - https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/blog/2017/10/05/thursday-evening-nate-to-impact-yucatan-friday-and-central-u-s-gulf-coast-by-saturday-or-sunday/

models;
http://cci-reanalyzer.org/wx/fcst/#GFS.CONUS-CED.WS10-MSLP" rel="nofollow - http://cci-reanalyzer.org/wx/fcst/#GFS.CONUS-CED.WS10-MSLP
http://cci-reanalyzer.org/wx/fcst/#GFS-025deg.NA-LC2.WS10" rel="nofollow - http://cci-reanalyzer.org/wx/fcst/#GFS-025deg.NA-LC2.WS10
http://www.myfoxhurricane.com/custom/models/gfsext/gfsext_atl_pwater.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.myfoxhurricane.com/custom/models/gfsext/gfsext_atl_pwater.html





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