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Topic: Hillary's Russian Connections
Posted By: Medclinician
Subject: Hillary's Russian Connections
Date Posted: September 21 2017 at 10:43am
If people would take a closer look they would find the Clinton's - especially Hillary Clinton had more than passing association with the Russians.

But, should the Democrats also be calling for deep investigations into the Hillary campaign thanks to Fareed’s interview?

Peskov told Fareed that Kislyak, the Russian ambassador who met with Trump campaign officials, also met with “people working in think tanks advising Hillary or advising people working for Hillary.”

Medclinician





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Posted By: Satori
Date Posted: September 21 2017 at 11:03am
WHO CARES ???

if Hillary committed any crimes

PROSECUTE her

Hillary's real or  imagined crimes

DO NOT EXCUSE TRUMPS CRIMES


this is like a serial killer arguing that he is not as bad a person as another serial killer
because he only killed ten people and the other guy killed fifteen

the FACT remains

the Russians DESPERATELY wanted TRUMP in the White House NOT Hillary

ALL of their actions were designed to help TRUMP

and Trump and those around him have CONSISTENTLY LIED about their connections to the Russians


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“The point of modern propaganda isn’t only to misinform or push an agenda. It is to exhaust your critical thinking, to annihilate truth.” Gary Kasparov


Posted By: Medclinician
Date Posted: October 03 2017 at 11:38pm
Originally posted by Satori Satori wrote:

WHO CARES ???

if Hillary committed any crimes

PROSECUTE her

Hillary's real or  imagined crimes

DO NOT EXCUSE TRUMPS CRIMES


this is like a serial killer arguing that he is not as bad a person as another serial killer
because he only killed ten people and the other guy killed fifteen

the FACT remains

the Russians DESPERATELY wanted TRUMP in the White House NOT Hillary

ALL of their actions were designed to help TRUMP

and Trump and those around him have CONSISTENTLY LIED about their connections to the Russians


They are trying to get a second special prosecutor to investigate Hillary's crimes. So far, there has been and is not proof that Trump committed any sort of crime.  Whatever Russia may have done because they wanted Trump in, does not make Trump responsible for it. They hated Hillary. She would have been a real pain for them.
http://www.conservativefolks.com/2017/06/08/comey-russians-involved-hillary-clinton/" rel="nofollow -
https://www.conservativefolks.com/2017/06/08/comey-russians-involved-hillary-clinton/

Comey has now come out with some shocking evidence against Hillary Clinton. It sounds like she was the one involved with the Russians and not President Trump. It has been reported that Hillary Clinton has received millions of dollars from the Russians into the Clinton Foundation.

This has been reported before but we are now seeing why it is such big deal. Why does someone like Hillary Clinton get away with this but President Donald Trump is attacked mercilessly. Some things need to change in this country before it is too late. Obviously Comey could have come out against Trump but he said the truth. Liberals are furious now. They have come out with lie after lie against the President and his administration. They are still trying to push their agenda.

Medclinician




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"not if but when" the original Medclinician


Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: October 04 2017 at 1:29am
Satori has a point.  Just because Hilary behaves like a POS does not mean that Trump is innocent.

This news channel has a good reputation and oversight, so there is no reason to doubt this is true.  They are conservative/right wing, but not insanely so.

Conclusion: Stuff about Hilary  - irrelevant, as she is not in power, but correct.
                   Stuff about Trump - unresearched/not presented here, despite relevance.


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Absence of proof is not proof of absence.


Posted By: Medclinician
Date Posted: October 18 2017 at 9:57am
As if we had no idea.  It would appear that Bill and Hillary's Russia connections were far deeper and worse than the mainstream first admitted.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/18/grassley-probes-clinton-conflicts-interest-amid-new-questions-in-russia-uranium-deal.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/18/grassley-probes-clinton-conflicts-interest-amid-new-questions-in-russia-uranium-deal.html

A top Senate Republican is probing potential “conflicts of interest” for Hillary Clinton and the Obama administration regarding the 2010 approval of a controversial uranium deal with a Russian company, amid new details about donations from “interested parties” and an FBI corruption probe involving employees of the same Russian firm.

“This committee has an obligation to get to the bottom of this issue,” Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, said Wednesday, at the start of a hearing with Attorney General Jeff Sessions.

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/355749-fbi-uncovered-russian-bribery-plot-before-obama-administration" rel="nofollow - The Hill reported a day earlier that the FBI had evidence as early as 2009 that Russian operatives used bribes, kickbacks and other dirty tactics to expand Moscow’s atomic energy footprint in the U.S. -- but the Obama administration approved the uranium deal benefiting Moscow anyway.

Grassley on Wednesday released a series of https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/file-library?PageNum_rs=1&" rel="nofollow - letters he fired off last week to 10 federal agencies , addressing those issues in detail and raising the question of whether the committee that approved the transaction was aware of the FBI probe. The Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States (CFIUS) included then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

comment: So, it looks like not only Hillary, but the Obama administration and President Obama were dealing with Russia and there is far more to find here than any Trump collusion.

There is a pattern here and I would say sadly, but I do not feel it is sad, the press will turn on both Obama and Hillary - because they are not interested in helping anyone - just making money and headlines.

It has hit the fan and subsequent investigations will continue to release more facts about the corruption in both previous Democrat administrations. It's about time for the Real News.

Medclinician




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"not if but when" the original Medclinician


Posted By: Medclinician
Date Posted: October 18 2017 at 9:59am
Originally posted by Technophobe Technophobe wrote:

Satori has a point.  Just because Hilary behaves like a POS does not mean that Trump is innocent.

This news channel has a good reputation and oversight, so there is no reason to doubt this is true.  They are conservative/right wing, but not insanely so.

Conclusion: Stuff about Hilary  - irrelevant, as she is not in power, but correct.
                   Stuff about Trump - unresearched/not presented here, despite relevance.


Yes, but this thread is about Hillary. There already is a companion one to attack Trump. I find this far more interesting after hearing the same old rehashed no evidence versus the deep seated corruption in the Clinton Foundations with pay for play and big money put down to influence Hillary's policy and actions.

Medclinician


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"not if but when" the original Medclinician


Posted By: Medclinician
Date Posted: October 18 2017 at 10:03am
The Real News about Hillary - Anonymous

Medclinician




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"not if but when" the original Medclinician


Posted By: Medclinician
Date Posted: October 18 2017 at 10:16am
And now it hits the fan my AFT family. The Real News. Know what - I was right all along. It is one of the biggest scandals in American history.

Medclinician




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"not if but when" the original Medclinician


Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: October 18 2017 at 11:04am
Fair enough, Med.  Although the question does arise: "Why bother?"  She is not in power.

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Absence of proof is not proof of absence.


Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: October 18 2017 at 1:29pm
deflect, accuse ,misinform,lie about,belittle,cajole,then run for cover.......LET THE PRESS (and fox lies)DO THE REST....

anything to get the story off Chump..........

who is UNFIT for the post......

no amount of fooling will change that ,and you have been....................

                                          FOOLED

and why cant the USA have health cover for ALL,like we have downunder???????

no Chump supporter will answer THAT

selfish people thats why.................nasty selfish ,i' m ok St..f you ,

see you later just on my way to Church................Hypocrites

                                       MAKE AMERICA GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NOT WITH CHUMP AS YOUR LEADER....................

 


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12 Monkeys...............
1995 ‧ Science fiction film/Thriller ‧ 2h 11m a must for AFT


Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: October 18 2017 at 1:51pm
Well, Med began the thread and he says it is about Hilary.  That is OK............ But:

I have one question.  It has been awaiting an answer for some time now.  Absolutely Nothing said about Hilary will change my opinion by the tiniest soupcon until it gets a satisfactory answer.

If she is so guilty, why did Trump drop his promise to chase her until he could "Lock her up"?

I have a few possible theories:

1, It was all smoke and mirrors
2, She is hellishly guilty, but Trump does not give a sh1t, as it no longer affects his campaign.  Justice be dammed, he just wants the power.
3, They are almost all corrupt, on both sides and dropping all investigations stops more sh1t emerging.  (McCain exempt from that cohort).  So you only accuse the opposition when there are big gains to win.
4, ALL OF THE ABOVE.

Well?  Still waiting......................................


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Absence of proof is not proof of absence.


Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: October 18 2017 at 2:10pm
no.3


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12 Monkeys...............
1995 ‧ Science fiction film/Thriller ‧ 2h 11m a must for AFT


Posted By: Medclinician
Date Posted: October 18 2017 at 3:31pm
Originally posted by carbon20 carbon20 wrote:

deflect, accuse ,misinform,lie about,belittle,cajole,then run for cover.......LET THE PRESS (and fox lies)DO THE REST....

anything to get the story off Chump..........

who is UNFIT for the post......

no amount of fooling will change that ,and you have been....................

                                          FOOLED

and why cant the USA have health cover for ALL,like we have downunder???????

no Chump supporter will answer THAT

selfish people thats why.................nasty selfish ,i' m ok St..f you ,

see you later just on my way to Church................Hypocrites

                                       MAKE AMERICA GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NOT WITH CHUMP AS YOUR LEADER....................

 


God help us all if you were a real newscaster with a large audience. Why don't you just get a piece of paper, scrawl with a crayon, take a picture of it and post that?  It would appear you are on a mission and don't let reality or the facts confuse you.

It is time I posted a thread of why Bull is full of Bull on your prime minister. After all you have been going after my president quite a while now. Fair is fair.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/malcolm-turnbull-australia-out-of-step-on-gay-marriage-20131215-2zfbu.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/malcolm-turnbull-australia-out-of-step-on-gay-marriage-20131215-2zfbu.html

So let's get to it. Senior Liberal Malcolm Turnbull has increased pressure on his own colleagues to back gay marriage, saying Australia is getting out of step with similar countries.

Mr Turnbull, a prominent advocate for gay marriage on the conservative side of politics, also said he expected the Coalition eventually to allow a conscience vote - a key step in getting legislation through Federal Parliament.

http://urbanwronski.com/2017/02/12/turnbull-government-reveals-a-lump-of-coal-at-its-heart-in-a-disgraceful-week-of-name-calling/" rel="nofollow - https://urbanwronski.com/2017/02/12/turnbull-government-reveals-a-lump-of-coal-at-its-heart-in-a-disgraceful-week-of-name-calling/

“He has no respect for the taxpayer any more than he has respect for the members of the Australian Workers Union, he betrayed again and again. He sold them out. He sold them out.”

A volley of cheap shots rings out across the chamber this week as a beleaguered Malcolm Turnbull begins the new parliamentary year in a flat spin. He’s under attack on all sides, travel rorts, Trump’s dumping on him, Bernardi’s defection, Abbott’s sniping, a seven-month losing streak in the polls and what to do about George Brandis and his diary.

What do you do with an Attorney General, an officer in charge of freedom of information who refuses a court order to make his appointments public as Mark Dreyfus, a real QC, has requested? The London posting  can’t come soon enough.

Peta Credlin, Abbott’s all-powerful, all-seeing former chief of staff helpfully puts the skids under the PM she dubbed “Mr Harbourside Mansion” when she tells Sky viewers the Coalition is broken by “an unbridgeable ideological divide”.

Add in to the mix electricity blackouts, a failure to curb power sector emissions and an energy market crisis https://decarbonisesa.com/2016/07/15/the-unfolding-energy-crisis-in-south-australia-was-foreseeable-and-foreseen/" rel="nofollow - which has been simmering unattended for years. Luckily energy is all Labor’s fault. It’s their ideological belief in the future of the planet instead of doing whatever it takes to protect the wealth of the coal industry and its many rent-seekers.

The power crisis is caused by Labor because Labor is led by Bill Shorten, a Labor leader who has dinner with rich people!

Desperately, the PM who sold out to his right wing, aims to divert his critics and snatch back credibility by assassinating Hypocrite Bill’s character. Yet Turnbull aims so low he destroys any vestige of credibility; shoots himself in the foot.

The other foot is in his mouth. With nothing left to lose, a gung-ho meets gonzo PM Trumps up his invective; indulges his inner bully in an assault on the man, not his policies, complete with gratuitous, archly homophobic insults.

“This sycophant, http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-08/turnbull-and-shorten-trade-barbs-during-question-time/8252540" rel="nofollow - blowing hard in the House of Representatives, sucking hard in the living rooms of Melbourne, what a hypocrite,” Turnbull sneers. The “simpering” “sycophant” “sucking up to Dick [Pratt]” “tucked his knees under… tables” jeers the PM. The dig is unlikely to boost his stocks in his inner-Sydney electorate of Wentworth, however many sniggers it gets from his party. Nor will his prejudice play well with his broader constituency.

comment: Are we having fun yet? We can go on with this as long as you keep attacking Trump.

Medclinician





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"not if but when" the original Medclinician


Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: October 18 2017 at 3:43pm
You are deflecting, Med.

I am neither American nor Australian.  I hope that gives me a more bipartisan viewpoint.

Trump is a joke internationally.  Sorry, but he is.  The only time other countries press/leadership/people stop laughing is when they are having nightmares about his finger being on the button or growling with anger that a people so good hearted could have elected such a monster.  Oh, and when hey are propping up his ego in the hope of a better trade deal.

Australia's leader, by comparison is almost invisible.  Not brilliant, not dreadful, just quietly and fairly efficiently getting on with the job.  

The really scary, tragic and possibly hilarious joke on you all is that half of you Americans can't see it.

Repeat after me:  "Seig Heil!" and "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer!"  That is where the Trump path leads.




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Absence of proof is not proof of absence.


Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: October 18 2017 at 3:45pm
Ps., Turnbull does not upset the widows of his honored war dead.

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Absence of proof is not proof of absence.


Posted By: Satori
Date Posted: October 18 2017 at 3:50pm
"  It would appear you are on a mission and don't let reality or the facts confuse you."

Med YOU of all people actually said this ???ConfusedLOL

and Trey Gowdy,the literal king of USELESS INVESTIGATIONS is going to look into this
so sleep tightLOL

I'll be in favor of locking Hillary up ONLY if Trump gets the cell right next to hers


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“The point of modern propaganda isn’t only to misinform or push an agenda. It is to exhaust your critical thinking, to annihilate truth.” Gary Kasparov


Posted By: Medclinician
Date Posted: October 18 2017 at 3:55pm
Originally posted by Technophobe Technophobe wrote:

Well, Med began the thread and he says it is about Hilary.  That is OK............ But:

I have one question.  It has been awaiting an answer for some time now.  Absolutely Nothing said about Hilary will change my opinion by the tiniest soupcon until it gets a satisfactory answer.

If she is so guilty, why did Trump drop his promise to chase her until he could "Lock her up"?

I have a few possible theories:

1, It was all smoke and mirrors
2, She is hellishly guilty, but Trump does not give a sh1t, as it no longer affects his campaign.  Justice be dammed, he just wants the power.
3, They are almost all corrupt, on both sides and dropping all investigations stops more sh1t emerging.  (McCain exempt from that cohort).  So you only accuse the opposition when there are big gains to win.
4, ALL OF THE ABOVE.

Well?  Still waiting......................................


It would appear there enough swamp guards on duty to bury this story of what was done with Russia by Hillary and Obama. It is no doubt a huge story and just because someone is out of office does not give them a get-out-of-jail free card. In fact, you can't go to jail while you are in office.

This does remind me of an unfaithful wife who says coldly - "yes I cheated on you and slept with your best friend - but that was last year and that is in the past".

These are the very same people that are hooting and hollering about Trump and Russia which we have clear and objective proof of bribery, collusion and pay for play with the Clinton Foundation.  20% of our nuclear uranium reserves.

What is hard to understand?  Over and over our enemies paid the Clinton Foundation while Hillary was in Office to get special treatment and special favors. 

This eclipses anything in Trump's past. This was done while in office and endangered the national security of our country.

However, the story has now disappeared from Fox within hours (did someone call in favors and kill it) and never did appear today in any of the other mainstream media.

Now Fox is filled with teacher's aides who slept with their 15 year old students, Northham has a 7 point lead over Gillespie in the Virginia race (like these polls matter- this is where the tampering in elections happens - with the media trying to poison an election) and Longtime Neo-Nazi leader is gay - (this is a page from CNN's book).

These acts of collusion with the Russians by the Clintons and President Obama were treason. As if sending Muslim terrorists in Iran billions of dollars - much of it in cash - to fund their nuclear research.

This is actual complete proof of what happened. They have requested the investigation be continued and people be sent to jail - no matter who they were.

A huge muzzle has just been put on the media. Don't expect to hear much more about this. It is off the page already. Once can hope they will continue to investigate - but both Obama and Hillary and Bill are too busy making money from their friends - many of them our enemies - and above the law.

So - would it matter if your husband or wife cheated a year later because he or she was careful you didn't find out. Yea, it would.

And does Trump care about what they discovered?  I would think yes - but  currently he under fire from another social justice warrior attack and trying to contain the damage. Damned if you do - damned if you don't.  It is like an argument with a person who can take either side - depending on which one you take and argue equally as well. They don't care what the truth is - they just like to argue and fight.

Medclinician


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"not if but when" the original Medclinician


Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: October 18 2017 at 4:00pm
Still waiting.................................

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Absence of proof is not proof of absence.


Posted By: Satori
Date Posted: October 18 2017 at 4:11pm
I'll bring over a copy of War and Peace and a set of encyclopedias

it's gonna be a LONG waitLOL


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“The point of modern propaganda isn’t only to misinform or push an agenda. It is to exhaust your critical thinking, to annihilate truth.” Gary Kasparov


Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: October 18 2017 at 4:16pm
Hang on!  While I am waiting I thought you said this was about Hilary, Why are you suddenly talkking about Obama?

No, that was stupid of me, Answer the main question first.

If she is so guilty, why did Trump drop his promise to chase her until he could "Lock her up"?

Still waiting........................................


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Absence of proof is not proof of absence.


Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: October 18 2017 at 4:20pm
Could it be that there is only extremely circumstantial and invented evidence.  Lies, Damn lies and Trump Tweets?


Still waiting.....................................................................


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Absence of proof is not proof of absence.


Posted By: Satori
Date Posted: October 18 2017 at 4:51pm
very interesting that two of the MOST right wing KRazEEEE sites
have given little if any attention to the latest Hillary "scandal "
these two sites have lambasted Hillary fo ever and a day on anything and everything

things that make ya go hmmmmmm ???


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“The point of modern propaganda isn’t only to misinform or push an agenda. It is to exhaust your critical thinking, to annihilate truth.” Gary Kasparov


Posted By: CRS, DrPH
Date Posted: October 18 2017 at 8:48pm
Originally posted by Medclinician Medclinician wrote:

If people would take a closer look they would find the Clinton's - especially Hillary Clinton had more than passing association with the Russians.

But, should the Democrats also be calling for deep investigations into the Hillary campaign thanks to Fareed’s interview?

Peskov told Fareed that Kislyak, the Russian ambassador who met with Trump campaign officials, also met with “people working in think tanks advising Hillary or advising people working for Hillary.”


The Russkies meet with everyone, and they pass influence (bribes) around as well.  

I was NOT a super-Clinton supporter and voted for Ohio Gov. John Kasich in the IL primaries, he would have been an honest choice for GOP President.  

Bill's meeting on the plane with Loretta Lynch disgusted me, it was so typical "Clinton" = we can do whatever the hell we want, screw the consequences.  I'll be happy to see that family in the rear view mirror of American history. 

That being said, I don't think there is a comparison between the Russkies dumping some cash on the Clintons vs. commanding the US election system and engineering a victory for Trump. 

Also, the coordination of Trump and Russia is pretty amazing, I'm waiting to see what Trump's tax returns show (Mueller has them).


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CRS, DrPH


Posted By: Satori
Date Posted: October 18 2017 at 9:03pm
John Kasich
the ONLY adult in the Republican room
I was very disappointed that he wasn't the Republican nominee


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“The point of modern propaganda isn’t only to misinform or push an agenda. It is to exhaust your critical thinking, to annihilate truth.” Gary Kasparov


Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: October 18 2017 at 9:38pm
Trumbull was right to have a vote on marriage equality,,it looks like it will pass easily,and has had a bigger return than your election, when you voted for a Fool,noone here listens to sky news it's as bad as fox news, in fact owned by the same fake news company,and as for the politics here they all a bunch of liars as well ,as for the facts I'm taking a leaf out of Chump the Liars book...

Ps,we have a nationalhealth scheme that looks after everyone,why dosnt the great USA have the same......

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12 Monkeys...............
1995 ‧ Science fiction film/Thriller ‧ 2h 11m a must for AFT


Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: October 19 2017 at 3:42am
THE latest same-sex marriage poll shows the Yes campaign is comfortably ahead, with overwhelming support among those who have already voted.

A special Newspoll survey shows a massive 59 per cent of those who have returned their postal ballots are in favour of legalising gay marriage. Just 38 per cent of the millions of Australians who have voted said they were against.

The  http://www.theaustralian.com.au/" rel="nofollow - poll conducted  for The Australian comes just a day after the latest estimate from the Australian Bureau of Statistics revealed that  http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/gay-marriage/almost-11-million-australians-have-returned-the-same-sex-marriage-survey/news-story/1aa66593bd8d10a85f1970bdf1d5790b" rel="nofollow - 10.8 million survey forms  had been returned as of Friday, October 13.

That means around 67.5 per cent of the 16 million forms sent out have been posted back.

The only way in which the No campaign could now succeed is by winning three out of every four remaining votes, according to the figures from Newspoll.

It also found a high level of support for same-sex marriage among those who have not yet voted, with 56 per cent of all respondents in favour of the legislative change and 37 per cent against.

Supporters of marriage equality are leading the way with three weeks to go until the vote closes. Picture: Danny Casey/AAP Image

Supporters of marriage equality are leading the way with three weeks to go until the vote closes. Picture: Danny Casey/AAP ImageSource:AAP

The No side has gained some ground since last year, but not enough to come anywhere near the support for Yes.

Support for same-sex marriage is strongest in the youngest demographic, aged 18-34, with 66 per cent in favour and just 28 per cent against. The ratio narrows as voters get older; people aged over 65 are the only group more likely to vote No, with 49 per cent against legalising gay marriage to 44 per cent in favour.

Older voters are more likely to return their ballots, but it is looking increasingly unlikely they can reverse the trend at this juncture.

Still, the votes continue to stream in, with 800,000 forms returned each week over the past fortnight. The poll found that 65 per cent of respondents had already voted, and just under 20 per cent said they still definitely would.

The figures have defied the expectations of both opponents and proponents of same-sex marriage, who did not predict such a significant voter turnout in a non-compulsory postal ballot.

The Equality Campaign’s Shirleene Robinson said it showed Australians hadn’t forgotten about LGBTI neighbours. “Australians have recognised how important this issue is to their family, friends and colleagues and are doubling down to ensure that when this campaign is over we are left with the fair, equitable and inclusive country that when this campaign is over we are left with the fair, equitable and inclusive country that we all want,” she said.

“This is a great result and confirms that Australians want to get this done and are returning their surveys in record numbers.”

And it seems the No side is beginning to accept defeat, with Immigration Minister Peter Dutton, who is against same-sex marriage, telling the audience at a Fairfax media event in Sydney last week he believed Yes would win.

The minister personally opposes changing the law but has pledged to vote for it in Parliament if the Yes campaign is successful.

Treasurer Scott Morrison, who also supports traditional marriage, said he would wait to see the results. “Australians are having their say at the moment. That’s what I wanted them to have,” he told the ABC.

With three weeks left until the survey closes on November 7, many Australians have indicated that they will keep voting right down to the wire. But 50 per cent of Australians who responded to the Newspoll said they opposed the Government undertaking a postal plebiscite at all, to 43 per cent in favour and seven per cent uncommitted.

The ABS has warned all surveys should be posted back by October 27 to ensure they arrive before the deadline.

WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW

• Requests for replacement forms close on 6pm, October 20. You can also  https://marriagesurvey.abs.gov.au/pickup-locations" rel="nofollow - pick up a form from certain locations  or call 1800 572 113.

• There’s a paperless option for eligible Australians travelling or living overseas, people in aged care facilities, or those with an illness, injury or disability, to respond online or by phone.

• Survey forms must be received at the ABS by 6pm (local time) on November 7 to be included in the count.

• Survey results will be published on November 15.



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12 Monkeys...............
1995 ‧ Science fiction film/Thriller ‧ 2h 11m a must for AFT


Posted By: Medclinician
Date Posted: October 19 2017 at 7:17am
Originally posted by Technophobe Technophobe wrote:

Hang on!  While I am waiting I thought you said this was about Hilary, Why are you suddenly talkking about Obama?

No, that was stupid of me, Answer the main question first.

If she is so guilty, why did Trump drop his promise to chase her until he could "Lock her up"?

Still waiting........................................


Apparently you aren't the only one reading my thread.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump" rel="nofollow -

Uranium deal to Russia, with Clinton help and Obama Administration knowledge, is the biggest story that Fake Media doesn't want to follow!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/920972261032648705" rel="nofollow -


Posted By: Medclinician
Date Posted: October 19 2017 at 7:30am
http://www.politicusdaily.com/2017/10/18/breaking-robert-mueller-involved-massive-fbi-scandal-resign-immediately/%20" rel="nofollow - https://www.politicusdaily.com/2017/10/18/breaking-robert-mueller-involved-massive-fbi-scandal-resign-immediately/

October 18, 2017 - yesterday...

Special council Robert Mueller has been trying to find anything he can to use against President Donald Trump in the Russia collusion investigation. The fact that this man thinks he is in anyway helping the United States is laughable. There are many conservatives around the country who find this investigation totally unacceptable. It is quickly turning into nothing more than a witch hunt.

Now there are new details coming in that show that Robert Mueller might not be such a good fit for the job as he says he is. During the reign of Obama and his administration, Mueller was largely involved with the FBI. He served as the director of the FBI until 2013. During this time, he was involved in several different scandals. But this Russian bribery scandal might be the biggest one yet.

Before the Obama administration approved a deal that would give a Russian company 20% of the American supply of uranium., the FBI collected details on this company and any Russian involvement. They found evidence that showed bribes among other things.

But magically this evidence was hidden by Mueller’s FBI. How can he get away with this. That means that they knew this was going on and they still did nothing to stop it.

“The Russians were compromising American contractors in the nuclear industry with kickbacks and extortion threats, all of which raised legitimate national security concerns,” a source who worked on the case explained. “And none of that evidence got aired before the http://www.dailywire.com/news/22381/report-fbi-hid-evidence-tying-clintons-russian-ryan-saavedra#" rel="nofollow - Obama administration made those decisions.”

Why would they refuse to release any evidence of their findings? This is a very big story that needs to get out. The FBI should have come out with details of the evidence beforehand in order to warn the government.

Now this is not to say that the Obama administration did not know about the bribes. In fact, most evidence is pointing towards then knowing well before the approval of the move. But this shows that Robert Mueller is in no position to be investigating Russian involvement with the presidential election.

What do you think about this evidence?

comment: Those who start witch hunts may find a crowd who suddenly turns on them and they wind up on the stake as well.

Medclinician




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"not if but when" the original Medclinician


Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: October 19 2017 at 7:31am
Stop changing the subject, Med. Answer the question for once!

Still waiting.....................


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Absence of proof is not proof of absence.


Posted By: Medclinician
Date Posted: October 19 2017 at 7:39am
Originally posted by Medclinician Medclinician wrote:

[QUOTE=Technophobe]Hang on!  While I am waiting I thought you said this was about Hilary, Why are you suddenly talkking about Obama?

No, that was stupid of me, Answer the main question first.

If she is so guilty, why did Trump drop his promise to chase her until he could "Lock her up"?

Still waiting........................................


Obviously he has not dropped his promise, but it is up to Judicial branch to do the investigation and final resolution on this. 

Medclinician


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"not if but when" the original Medclinician


Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: October 19 2017 at 7:45am
Ps. As you asked a question I will answer it. Not that you will pay any attention.  You continue to repeat things that have been answered and disproven.  So either you do not read other's posts or do not understand them.

There is a third possibility, that you just ignore them.  If you can ignore a tide of human disease and misery  http://www.avianflutalk.com/chump-drives-health-premiums-up-40_topic36762_post266588.html?KW=#266588" rel="nofollow - http://www.avianflutalk.com/chump-drives-health-premiums-up-40_topic36762_post266588.html?KW=#266588  then maybe the truth is as easy to ignore.

However, what I thought of your evidence: from untrustworthy sources, irrelevant and two wrongs do not make a right.

Honestly, it could be true, not at all likely, but possible.  If Trump was to prosecute Hilary I would believe it then.  After all she is a politician - and that is automatically suspect.  But, without an active prosecution, from a President (most powerful guy) FROM THE OPPOSING SIDE, WHO APPARENTLY HATES HER, I can only conclude that it is very, very, very probably (7sigma for the mathematicians) untrue.

Which leads me back to my own question.  I'm still waiting..............


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Absence of proof is not proof of absence.


Posted By: Satori
Date Posted: October 19 2017 at 8:23am
recycled rehashed story ???

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/10/19/1708104/-Trump-tries-to-change-the-subject-from-he-knew-what-he-signed-up-for-to-uranium" rel="nofollow - Trump tries to change the subject from 'he knew what he signed up for' to uranium
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/10/19/1708104/-Trump-tries-to-change-the-subject-from-he-knew-what-he-signed-up-for-to-uranium

Yes, it’s a recycled story from early 2015 that was https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2015/4/27/1380600/--Clinton-Cash-author-can-t-even-defend-his-wild-claims-on-Fox-News" rel="nofollow - too weak for its author to successfully defend on Fox News  but which The Hill has semi-revived with a  http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/355749-fbi-uncovered-russian-bribery-plot-before-obama-administration" rel="nofollow - story  having absolutely zero to do with Hillary Clinton and which Fox News was, of course, https://twitter.com/GoAngelo/status/920992789319610368" rel="nofollow - talking about this morning . What we’ve known all along is that the big scandalous uranium deal that Trump is desperate to keep talking about was signed off on by nine U.S. agencies  https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2015/04/23/1379692/-It-takes-ten-paragraphs-before-New-York-Times-mentions-its-latest-Clinton-hit-piece-is-speculation" rel="nofollow - and the Canadian government , and that while the State Department was one of the nine U.S. agencies, Clinton wasn’t personally involved in the decision.

Trump's Presidency is FAILING at virtually every turn
he DESPERATELY needs DISTRACTIONS
this isn't the first and won't be the last

and still two of the MOST prominent right wing sites still have little if anything to say on
this "scandal"
VERY curious indeed
you would think they would be tearing into Clinton big time
but nothing but crickets chirping.....


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“The point of modern propaganda isn’t only to misinform or push an agenda. It is to exhaust your critical thinking, to annihilate truth.” Gary Kasparov


Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: October 19 2017 at 9:15am
If there were any real evidence, the judiciary would be prosecuting the Clintons.  Unless, of course, the-man-in-charge told them not to, especially as he appointed several new top brass in that field.  As the-man-in-charge hates Hilary, there must be none.  He did say he would not be prosecuting her.  If you know more than that, prove it by answering the question.








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Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: October 19 2017 at 9:26am
Putting it another way, If Trump goes on and on in the media, accusing Hilary of dodgy dealings , it is a great and apparently very effective, smoke screen for his own dirty dealings.  "A great way to change the subject."  It does not have to be true, it just has to draw attention away.

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Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: October 20 2017 at 5:13pm
Still waiting........................................

While we are on this subject:

Technology is now emerging that can produce increasingly convincing  http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2017/07/14/537154304/computer-scientists-demonstrate-the-potential-for-faking-video" rel="nofollow - digital mimicry  of world leaders—just type in the words you want Obama, Trump, or the emir of Qatar to say, and they appear in a convincing-looking video. That would make fake news much more potent and harder to debunk.

Source and the article (about the Middle East):    https:///www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/the-fake-news-hack-that-nearly-started-a-war-this-summer-was-designed-for-one-man-donald-trump/ar-AAtLan5?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=LENDHP" rel="nofollow - https:///www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/the-fake-news-hack-that-nearly-started-a-war-this-summer-was-designed-for-one-man-donald-trump/ar-AAtLan5?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=LENDHP

How else do you think Disney make the animals talk?  They don't do it in real life..

Still waiting........................................


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Absence of proof is not proof of absence.


Posted By: CRS, DrPH
Date Posted: October 20 2017 at 6:42pm
Originally posted by Technophobe Technophobe wrote:

Putting it another way, If Trump goes on and on in the media, accusing Hilary of dodgy dealings , it is a great and apparently very effective, smoke screen for his own dirty dealings.  "A great way to change the subject."  It does not have to be true, it just has to draw attention away.

He's freakin' President now!  If he wanted to prove Obama was born in Kenya, or wire-tapped him, or that Obama teamed up with Hillary to jigger bids for Russian uranium, he has unlimited power to do so. 

There ain't no "there" there as we Yanks say.  He should STFU. 


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Posted By: Medclinician
Date Posted: October 22 2017 at 8:56am
More and more I am hearing what I posted earlier on this restated - sometimes the exact phrases - "pay for play" and this is too significant to be shoved under the rug. Judge Jeanine says so clearly what I have been saying all along.

Medclinician




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"not if but when" the original Medclinician


Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: October 22 2017 at 11:16am
Uranium is NOT the base ingredient of a nuclear bomb.  Enriched uranium is.  


That might sound like a splitting of hairs, but it is just not so.  Enriching uranium is a very specialist process involving complex and deeply technical/scientific knowledge requiring specialist billion dollar centrifuges.  Unenriched uranium is just the metal extracted from the natural ore pitchblende.

These newscasters can be forgiven for not understanding the difference; you do need a modicum of scientific knowledge for that.

To be honest, I have watched 35 seconds so far and I can't be bothered to watch the rest of the video.  They can't be expected to get the science right if they are not scientists................... or can they?  Isn't it a journalist's job to check their facts?  Well, apparently not, if you just want to convince people of untruths, or half truths.  It does convince me that the rest of the video will be as inaccurate.

So back to my original question, Med.  I am still waiting for an answer.


Still waiting..................................................................................


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Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: October 22 2017 at 3:55pm


this show is well worth watching, 

where is the most pure form of uranium found..........

yes folks down here in Sunny Australia...............

http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sbs.com.au%2Fprograms%2Furanium%2Farticle%2F2015%2F06%2F18%2Furanium-twisting-dragons-tail&layout=button_count&locale=en_GB&sdk=joey&share=false&show_faces=false" rel="nofollow - Catch-up online above. 

http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sbs.com.au%2Fprograms%2Furanium%2Farticle%2F2015%2F06%2F18%2Furanium-twisting-dragons-tail&layout=button_count&locale=en_GB&sdk=joey&share=false&show_faces=false" rel="nofollow -  

http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sbs.com.au%2Fprograms%2Furanium%2Farticle%2F2015%2F06%2F18%2Furanium-twisting-dragons-tail&layout=button_count&locale=en_GB&sdk=joey&share=false&show_faces=false" rel="nofollow - Uranium – Twisting the Dragon’s Tail is a new documentary series exploring the incredible story of uranium, from its creation in an exploding star to its deployment in nuclear weapons, nuclear power and nuclear medicine. It’s a journey across nine countries and more than a century of stories, to discover the rock that made the modern world.  It’s part science, part history and all epic adventure. Join physicist and  https://www.youtube.com/user/1veritasium" rel="nofollow - YouTube  phenomenon  https://www.youtube.com/user/1veritasium" rel="nofollow - Dr Derek Muller  as he reveals the untold story of the most wondrous and terrifying rock on Earth.

 



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12 Monkeys...............
1995 ‧ Science fiction film/Thriller ‧ 2h 11m a must for AFT


Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: October 22 2017 at 4:18pm
I cant get that link, Carbon.  Is this it?    http://www.pbs.org/show/uranium-twisting-dragons-tail/" rel="nofollow - http://www.pbs.org/show/uranium-twisting-dragons-tail/

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Absence of proof is not proof of absence.


Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: October 22 2017 at 4:27pm
yes thats it ,

captivating show ,iv watched it 3 times ,

i wont coment on the Fox (fake) news item ,

it Lunacy at its  best ,and its not a FULL MOON 



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12 Monkeys...............
1995 ‧ Science fiction film/Thriller ‧ 2h 11m a must for AFT


Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: October 22 2017 at 4:35pm
China is after the Uranium ,

thats what all the island building is all about...........

and the bases they building  in Sri Lanka ,

and Djibouti............

bet thats not on Fox(fake) news

coz theres never any real  news on any Murdochs (BIG BROTHER ) Press 
https://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c2/Rupert_Murdoch_-_WEF_Davos_2007.jpg/170px-Rupert_Murdoch_-_WEF_Davos_2007.jpg&imgrefurl=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupert_Murdoch&h=255&w=170&tbnid=uqw5RpfFTFFZfM:&tbnh=186&tbnw=124&usg=__yI5TbJDa9PhFjzqmZqBgYtn7TQs=&vet=1&docid=8yRH52StEuLDjM&itg=1&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiAtse6soXXAhWJebwKHWMUAasQ_B0IngIwKQ" rel="nofollow -


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12 Monkeys...............
1995 ‧ Science fiction film/Thriller ‧ 2h 11m a must for AFT


Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: October 22 2017 at 4:38pm
Wink


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12 Monkeys...............
1995 ‧ Science fiction film/Thriller ‧ 2h 11m a must for AFT


Posted By: Taxman100
Date Posted: October 22 2017 at 8:05pm
Why is it that we are still talking about Hillary?  She is not running again and she is not any more powerful then any other US citizen.  She lost the electoral vote.  She is as powerful as Romney, does anyone care about what Romney is up to?  Trump is embarrassing but I wish him success as long as it does not involve him killing millions of people.  

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Together we succeed


Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: October 22 2017 at 11:06pm
if i was trump i would be worried about an Obama comeback ,

not what hillary said or did..............


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12 Monkeys...............
1995 ‧ Science fiction film/Thriller ‧ 2h 11m a must for AFT


Posted By: Medclinician
Date Posted: October 24 2017 at 8:20am
What if Watergate had happened two years after Nixon  was no longer in office?  Then it is not an issue of impeachment. It is criminal and a non-sitting president is not immune from going to jail.

The statute of limitations varies but there is none for treason.

http://banktalk.org/2012/04/26/six-crimes-with-no-statute-of-limitations" rel="nofollow - http://banktalk.org/2012/04/26/six-crimes-with-no-statute-of-limitations

Hillary was a lawyer. She was totally aware of everything going on with the Clinton Foundation - the corruption - the bribes and 20% of uranium being sold to the Russians.

The point is all this effort, press, and hard core prosecution has gone into proving Trump worked with the Russians to win the election. There still is no proof he did. There is a lot of hardcore evidence against Obama and Hillary. Not only them but the people running the investigation of Russian involvement were involved with the Russians.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/24/republicans-see-tables-turned-as-dems-face-fresh-russia-controversies.html" rel="nofollow -
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/24/republicans-see-tables-turned-as-dems-face-fresh-russia-controversies.html

“Now it’s the Democrats who have some explaining to do,” Republican National Committee Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel said in a statement overnight. “I hope they will cooperate with the investigation, be forthcoming with the American people and I expect the media to cover these new developments with the same breathless intensity that they have given to this investigation since day one.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mueller-now-investigating-democratic-lobbyist-tony-podesta-n812776" rel="nofollow - NBC News first reported early Monday that http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/23/report-mueller-probe-expands-to-democratic-lobbyist-tony-podestas-russia-dealings.html" rel="nofollow - Tony Podesta and The Podesta Group are now subjects in the special counsel’s Russia investigation, following inquiries regarding former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort’s finances. 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/23/report-mueller-probe-expands-to-democratic-lobbyist-tony-podestas-russia-dealings.html" rel="nofollow - REPORT: MUELLER PROBE EXPANDS TO TONY PODESTA'S DEALINGS

According to Monday’s NBC News report, Mueller’s team started looking into a Manafort-involved PR campaign for a pro-Ukraine nonprofit reportedly backed by a pro-Russia party; the Podesta Group reportedly was one of many firms that worked on the campaign. According to the report, Mueller’s investigators have since launched a criminal inquiry into whether the company violated the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA), which requires people in the U.S. who lobby on behalf of foreign entities to register as foreign agents and disclose their work.

comment: CNN is oblivious and refuses to cover this news. They continue in Social Justice Warrior mode to give every person attacking Trump headlines while ignoring issues that are vital to our country. The new investigation is ignored.  They are Fake News - not Real News. Their page reads more like the National Enquirer than a reliable news source. CBS is breaking away a little. NY times is no better - not a story or a line about a huge scandal and whiplash for the Democrats now that the table has turned.

The Democrats are so loud because they are so losing. Have you ever been talking to someone who is passionate about something and you introduce a few facts which completely destroys their argument and then they come up with something else? This called doubling down -

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=double%20down" rel="nofollow - https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=double%20down

The term is increasingly used as a media https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=euphemism" rel="nofollow - euphemism when political figures tell bald-faced lies and when confronted with contradictory statements, the politician not only fails to retract their claims but instead expresses an increased certainty in their truth.

We see a picture of Comey and his discovered Twitter account. He has a beatific smile, all charm and sharing his pictures. Every Trump picture has him frowning and looking like an annoyed brat.  When they can catch the fish mouth, they do. None of this is relevant. It is the media's way of showing criminals - making the masses laugh at people they don't like or is profitable for them to attack. Look at the transsexual arrested for raping the 10 year old with a tearful face. He was (now she- we must be accurate or is this accurate? a monster. The media can make you look real bad - from movie star to scary looking.

We have not been doing well with the Russians. We lost a huge amount of tech when a master spy assigned to investigate the mole leaking secrets was the mole.  We have a lot more to worry about than Russia trying to influence elections.

http://observer.com/2016/08/the-real-russian-mole-inside-nsa/%20" rel="nofollow - http://observer.com/2016/08/the-real-russian-mole-inside-nsa/

Edward Snowden no doubt took a large amount of secrets as well.  Yet, he did not get any money and quite more significantly $145,000,000 dollars went back and forth to people involved in the uranium sale to Russia.

They were dealing with Putin - who seems to be in the spotlight more and more.  The irony - who knew about and covered this with great zeal?  The New York Times.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html

Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal

By https://www.nytimes.com/by/jo-becker" rel="nofollow - https://www.nytimes.com/by/mike-mcintire" rel="nofollow - APRIL 23, 2015

Beyond mines in Kazakhstan that are among the most lucrative in the world, the sale gave the Russians control of one-fifth of all uranium production capacity in the United States. Since uranium is considered a strategic asset, with implications for national security, the deal had to be approved by a committee composed of representatives from a number of United States government agencies. Among the agencies that eventually signed off was the State Department, then headed by Mr. Clinton’s wife, http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/04/13/us/elections/hillary-clinton.html?inline=nyt-per" rel="nofollow - Hillary Rodham Clinton .

comment: We have far more than a smoking gun here - we have pictures of the person holding it and firing.

http://www.usapoliticstoday.com/clinton-foundation-145-million-russia/" rel="nofollow - https://www.usapoliticstoday.com/clinton-foundation-145-million-russia/

Hillary Clinton approved the transfer of 20 percent of U.S. uranium to Russia and nine investors in the deal funneled $145 million to the Clinton Foundation.

comment: What is difficult to understand about this?

While Hillary Clinton’s State Department was one of eight agencies to review and sign off on the transfer of 20 percent of U.S. uranium to Russia — then-Secretary of State Clinton herself was the only agency head whose family foundation received $145 million in donations from multiple people connected to the uranium deal, as reported by the New York Times.

comment: The Clinton foundation was a front and used to funnel money for "pay for play" to foreign enemies of the U.S.  This is incredible. While tainted investigators dig to try and find some link through Trump's employees we have collusion of the highest order not only with Hillary but the Obama Administration as well.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/356239-trump-obama-era-uranium-deal-is-real-russia-story" rel="nofollow - http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/356239-trump-obama-era-uranium-deal-is-real-russia-story

"The problem is mainstream media does not want to cover that story because that affects people they protect," Trump claimed. "So they don’t like covering that story. But the big story is uranium and how Russia got 20 percent of our uranium and, frankly, it’s a disgrace and it’s a disgrace that the fake news won’t cover. It’s so sad.” 

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/355749-fbi-uncovered-russian-bribery-plot-before-obama-administration" rel="nofollow - The Hill reported Wednesday that the FBI uncovered evidence that Russian nuclear officials were involved in bribery, kickbacks, extortion and money laundering before the Obama administration approved the deal.

comment: This was threat to the national security of America selling 20% of uranium to Russia for a $145,000,000 kickback to Clinton's foundation. It happened. It is provable with hardcore evidence and the mainstream is ignoring it because - it doesn't fit their narrative and they continue to headline stories attacking Trump. People are not fooled. And when the elections come - a hard rain is going to fall on the Democrats.

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"not if but when" the original Medclinician


Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: October 24 2017 at 9:48am
My original question still stands unanswered, Med.  Until it is (or she is arraigned, which would answer it by default) intelligent opinion remains largely unchanged about Hilary.  

There are counter arguments to every point you raise, including those which reflect badly on Trump (I might loathe him, but everyone is innocent until proven guilty) but that point should be cleared up before anything else is considered for discussion.  Without the answer, everything else is suspect.

So, still waiting.................................................................


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Absence of proof is not proof of absence.


Posted By: Medclinician
Date Posted: October 24 2017 at 9:56am
Originally posted by Technophobe Technophobe wrote:

Could it be that there is only extremely circumstantial and invented evidence.  Lies, Damn lies and Trump Tweets?


Still waiting.....................................................................


I have answered you several times now and if you would read my last post it specifically references hard core evidence that the foundation received $145,000,000 from multiple donors in exchange for the uranium deal. Before charges can be filed, they must start a new investigation and that goes back to our Judicial Branch and Jeff Sessions.  Okay fair enough. Here is your answer and in a video which is very current.




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Posted By: Medclinician
Date Posted: October 24 2017 at 11:10am
Now they are investigating.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/24/house-republicans-launch-new-probes-into-obama-era-uranium-one-deal-fbi-handling-clinton-case.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/24/house-republicans-launch-new-probes-into-obama-era-uranium-one-deal-fbi-handling-clinton-case.html

House Republicans on Tuesday launched new probes into several Obama-era controversies, covering both the Justice Department’s 2016 handling of the Clinton email case and the administration’s 2010 approval for the sale of a mining company that gave the Russians partial control over American uranium reserves.

House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes, R-Calif., announced his committee and the House Oversight Committee will investigate the so-called Uranium One deal.

“We’re not going to jump to any conclusions, but we’re going to try and get the facts,” Nunes said.

Separately, the House oversight and judiciary committees announced a joint investigation into the Justice Department and FBI’s handling of the Clinton email probe.  

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5620280173001/what-is-russia-clinton-uranium-deal" rel="nofollow"> Whats the latest on a controversial uranium deal with Russia that was brokered during Hillary Clintons tenure as Secretary of State? Video

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5620280173001/what-is-russia-clinton-uranium-deal" rel="nofollow - What is the Russia-Clinton uranium deal?

"Decisions made by the Department of Justice in 2016 have led to a host of outstanding questions that must be answered,” House Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte, R-Va., and House Oversight Committee Chairman Trey Gowdy, R-S.C., said in a statement.

comment: Finally. I have a new respect for FOX network. The only one covering this.

Medclinician




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Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: October 24 2017 at 11:26am
Perhaps if I repeat the question, you will understand it.  If she is so guilty, why did Trump drop his promise to chase her until he could "Lock her up"?  

You have given lots and lots and lots of lengthy answers, some were probably accurate, but you have never answered that specific question and it is axiomatic to this whole thread.  Perhaps I could rephrase it.  Would that help?

Trump himself dropped his pursuit of Hilary.  Why?  My question did not relate to any inquiry about Obama and his administration or Hilary's husband.  In fact the specific root of the question was Trump.  Why is he not personally keeping that campaign promise?  

To remind you, Trump said before the election that he would pursue her and "lock her up".  No sooner had the election ended than he said he would drop the pursuit.  

Personally I suspect they are both crooked enough to embarrass a gordian knot and that is the answer, but I asked you to answer this question, as you have adopted the chase of Hilary - apparently on Trump's behalf - at least as far as AFT is concerned; I doubt the wider world gives a damn.  My own suspicions continue on to the belief that the far-right media (which is the source of most of your information, that and the loony fringe) is being encouraged to adopt the Hilary-hunt as a distraction from Trump (their hero)'s regular faux pas.  This might be a good thing as, if the distraction fails, Trump could possibly take the world into war as the next distraction attempt.

In conclusion, most of your 'evidence', though not necessarily all, remains suspect until the original question is answered.  Then, and only then will the debate be worth considering.  Trump, after all, is the one in power now and you yourself said this thread was about Hilary, not Bill or Barack.

So, drop the distraction tactics please, or answer the actual question.   Preferably before we fill another page with this interminable discussion, which I will have to return and wade through (not looked forward to, believe me) to answer all the questions I did not answer the first time, while waiting for you to answer my original question.  I am still waiting.


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Posted By: Medclinician
Date Posted: October 25 2017 at 9:59am
It has more than hit the fan now and as I commented yesterday they now have a smoking gun - in fact several. Bottom line.

Medclinician

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/25/fusion-gps-fallout-dnc-clinton-fbi-take-heat-after-bombshell-that-dems-funded-trump-dossier.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/25/fusion-gps-fallout-dnc-clinton-fbi-take-heat-after-bombshell-that-dems-funded-trump-dossier.html

The bombshell revelation that Hillary Clinton’s campaign and the Democratic National Committee helped fund the controversial anti-Trump dossier last year has lawmakers and the media asking tough questions about how the dubious document was used by the highest levels of U.S. law enforcement – and why Democrats “lied” about its origins.

In the midst of a court case that threatened to reveal the dossier’s funding, it emerged overnight that political consulting firm Fusion GPS was retained last year by Marc E. Elias, an attorney representing the DNC and the Clinton campaign. The firm then hired former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele to write the now-infamous dossier.


comment: The Clinton Campaign - DNC funded the report even after the election paying the Russians for dirt on Trump. If this isn't collusion to control American politics, what is?

Caught with no possible excuse for deliberately misleading American Intelligence, working with the Russians to destroy Trump.

This is huge and unbelievable. The depth and levels of corruption not only of the Clintons but the Obama Administration is knee deep in this.

I have outtakes of Hillary's comments back stage how there are two versions - one she gives to her voters and one she shares with her friends - who now appear - some which were Russians.

It is the old Hitler big lie technique. A story so bad no one can believe it.

And now the the witch hunt begins - for the real witch all along.

Medclinician


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Posted By: Satori
Date Posted: October 25 2017 at 10:46am
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/10/25/1709698/-Steele-Dossier-was-funded-first-by-Trump-s-GOP-opponents-then-by-Democrats-which-we-knew-all-along" rel="nofollow - Steele Dossier was funded first by Trump's GOP opponents then by

and really Med
giving Trump credit for a new VA clinic which obviously was years in planning ???
if you are honest you will send a thank you note to Barack Hussein Obama for that clinic
one of the last things he did before leaving office was to designate BILLIONS more for the VA


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“The point of modern propaganda isn’t only to misinform or push an agenda. It is to exhaust your critical thinking, to annihilate truth.” Gary Kasparov


Posted By: Satori
Date Posted: October 25 2017 at 11:03am

Analysis | The Clinton camp and DNC funded what became the Trump-Russia dossier: Here’s what it means


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/analysis-the-clinton-camp-and-dnc-funded-what-became-the-trump-russia-dossier-here%e2%80%99s-what-it-means/ar-AAu1aBw?li=BBnbcA1

The firm that the Clinton camp and the DNC paid also has alleged ties to the Kremlin. In Senate testimony in July, Hermitage Capital Management chief executive William Browder accused Fusion GPS and its head, Glenn Simpson, of running a smear campaign against Sergei Magnitsky, a Russian whistleblower who in 2009 was tortured and killed in a Russian prison after uncovering a $230 million tax theft. Magnitsky worked for Browder, and he is the namesake of a law containing sanctions that was passed by Congress and is a sore spot between the U.S. government and Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Browder said the smear campaign was run by Fusion GPS with Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya and Russian-American lobbyist Rinat Akhmetshin. You might remember them from https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/07/14/another-shoe-drops-in-the-white-houses-burgeoning-russia-scandal/?utm_term=.b1b779412d23" rel="nofollow - the meeting with Donald Trump Jr.  that took place in June 2016. Veselnitskaya was the Russian lawyer with alleged Kremlin ties who arranged the meeting.

They were all allegedly working with the law firm Baker Hostetler to defend the Russian company Prevezon from charges it laundered funds stolen in the fraud Magnitsky uncovered.
“Veselnitskaya, through Baker Hostetler, hired Glenn Simpson of the firm Fusion GPS to conduct a smear campaign against me and Sergei Magnitsky in advance of congressional hearings on the Global Magnitsky Act,” Browder will testify. “He contacted a number of major newspapers and other publications to spread false information that Sergei Magnitsky was not murdered, was not a whistleblower and was instead a criminal. They also spread false information that my presentations to lawmakers around the world were untrue.”

Fusion GPS has confirmed https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2017/07/11/inside-the-link-between-the-russian-lawyer-who-met-donald-trump-jr-and-the-trump-dossier/?utm_term=.54ac5052ce6e" rel="nofollow - it worked on a lawsuit involving Veselnitskaya  for two years, The Post's Josh Rogin reported. It denied any involvement in the Trump Jr. meeting.

The firm has worked with both Democrats and Republicans over the years.





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Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: October 25 2017 at 11:15am
I can agree on one point, Med.  It is unbelievable.  If Hilary is so dirty, why is Trump not keeping his "lock her up" promise?  He dropped his prosecution within 48 hours of inauguration.  So. is she innocent?  Is that why?  Or, is he scared of what else will come out?  I suspect the latter, but it could be both.

Same specific question.  Still no specific answer.


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Posted By: Satori
Date Posted: October 25 2017 at 11:21am
if Hillary is dirty
then Donnie Jr certainly is tooLOL


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“The point of modern propaganda isn’t only to misinform or push an agenda. It is to exhaust your critical thinking, to annihilate truth.” Gary Kasparov


Posted By: Satori
Date Posted: October 25 2017 at 11:57am

How 'Putin's Revenge' became Trump's victory

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/frontline-putin-trump-134034759.html


there is NO indication that Putin tried to support Hlllary

by all indications he absolutely loathed her

Putin did everything he could to assure a Trump win

and thats why I think this whole Clinton/uranium story will turn out to be a bit nothing burger

but lets let Trey Gowdy and Darryl Issa waste millions of tax payer dollars to find this out




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“The point of modern propaganda isn’t only to misinform or push an agenda. It is to exhaust your critical thinking, to annihilate truth.” Gary Kasparov


Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: October 25 2017 at 3:14pm
must be only able to get Murdochs fake news where Med lives because meds links are always from that "news" organisation,

 Med ,you really do need to broaden your reading Matter, try the BBC , or the Aussie ABC, al Jazeera middle east news, or DW thats the German news, you could even try RT thats the Russian news.....

dont go to SKY another Murdoch fake news .org,

 you might suprise yourself and learn what the world already knows about CHUMP


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Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: October 26 2017 at 3:05pm

Despite the conspiracies, Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin are going backwards fast

By Bobo Lo

Posted about 2 hours ago

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-27/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-composite/9087604" rel="nofollow -
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-10/trump-says-its-time-to-move-forward-with-russia/8692450" rel="nofollow - http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-06/donald-trump-russia-conspiracy-theory/8870892" rel="nofollow - http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-08/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-cover-all-bases-in-g20-meeting/8689928" rel="nofollow - http://www.google.com/maps/place/United%20States/@38,-97,5z" rel="nofollow - #sheet-default-icon-chevron-circle-down" rel="nofollow - -

On the surface, Trump and Putin agree on much. They subscribe to a realist view of international relations, and reveal a certain authoritarian like-mindedness.

They resent the establishment — domestic in Trump's case, international in Putin's.

The "besieged fortress" mentality (the world against us) that has long been a part of Russian strategic culture is also present in Trump.

And both presidents adopt highly individualised approaches to decision-making, and place great importance on personal relations with other world leaders.

Such affinities should offer a reasonable basis for an improved US-Russia relationship. Yet nine months after Trump assumed office, almost nothing has been achieved. Instead of momentum, there is regression.

US sanctions against Russia have been strengthened. Accusations of Russian interference in the US democratic process have become more strident.

There has been no movement on counterterrorism cooperation. Even Washington's decision to end the CIA covert assistance program to the Syrian opposition, portrayed as a concession to Moscow, had been in the pipeline well before Trump was elected.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-27/vladimir-putin-and-donald-trump-meet-at-the-g20-summit/9087598" rel="nofollow -

Why so little progress?

There are several reasons. Some are general and long-standing, such as strong anti-Kremlin sentiment in Congress and within the Republican Party.

But the biggest obstacles to movement in the US-Russia relationship arise from the dysfunctionality of the Trump administration.

First among these is the all-encompassing distraction of various Russia-related scandals.

It has proved impossible for the White House to push a Russia agenda in circumstances where any concession to Moscow, however minor, is viewed as suspicious or worse.

The scandals pose a mortal threat to Trump's presidency.

The second impediment to progress is anarchy within the administration, which is riven by divisions and infighting. It cannot govern itself, let alone take on major policy tasks.

We have seen this not only with respect to Russia, but also with key elements of the Republican domestic agenda, such as the repeal of the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare), immigration, and tax reform.

The adults' hands are tied

The appointments of Rex Tillerson as Secretary of State, James Mattis as Secretary of Defence, and HR McMaster as National Security Advisor were supposed to have injected some professionalism — "the adults back in charge" — into the business of government.

But these respected individuals have faced huge difficulties in carrying out their jobs.

Most of all, there is the problem of a president whose attention span is short, whose ignorance of foreign affairs is vast, and for whom wild policy swings are a virtue.

As a result, there is no policy coherence within the administration, least of all on Russia where there is a major divide between Trump on the one hand, and the US defence and security establishment on the other, with Secretary of State Tillerson occupying an uncomfortable position somewhere in the middle.

This problem has been exacerbated by the glacial pace of political appointments to senior positions in the Defence and State departments.

The overall outcome is that the disconnect between policy pronouncements and implementation has never been so wide. Talk of cooperative engagement with Russia remains largely that — talk.

Russia not Trump's priority

Third, notwithstanding its public profile, Russia is not a high priority for Trump. It is telling that his  http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-08/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-cover-all-bases-in-g20-meeting/8689928" rel="nofollow - first official meeting with Putin  did not occur until after he had been in the White House for six months, and then only as a bilateral in the margins of a multilateral summit.

The delay was partly due to the political sensitivities surrounding the Russia connection.

But it also reflected the reality that for Trump, foreign affairs is a poor relation to his domestic agenda. His July trip to Warsaw and Hamburg was only his second since becoming president.

Even among foreign policy priorities, Russia ranks relatively low — well behind the Middle East, relations with China, and Europe.

Its significance is essentially instrumental. It is regarded as a means of meeting other, more-important objectives, such as combating international terrorism and checking Iranian influence in the Middle East.

This attitude is similar to that of Bush and Obama, both of whom saw Russia as a niche ally (or irritant), rather than fully fledged partner.

Competing interests

Fourth, American and Russian interests often conflict, including in areas where their priorities are said to converge.

In counterterrorism, for example, America's focus is on crushing Islamic State. Russia's priorities, however, are to consolidate its leading role in Syria, boost its strategic presence across the Middle East, and promote itself as a global player.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-27/vladimir-putin-and-donald-trump-meet-at-the-g20-summit/9087594" rel="nofollow -

In Ukraine, Washington seeks a more-or-less neutral resolution of the conflict, while Moscow's goal is to restore its former influence over Kiev.

Washington and Moscow have both been highly critical of NATO, but from very different standpoints.

Mattis has reiterated the long-held (and long-ignored) American view that European member states need to do more by way of burden-sharing, in order to make NATO more effective. Moscow desires just the opposite — the demise or emasculation of the alliance.

All these differences are exacerbated in a climate of growing uncertainty.

No economic incentive

Fifth, economic ties are too weak to mitigate the many negatives in the relationship. In 2016 the United States accounted for only 4.5 per cent of Russia's overseas trade (compared to the European Union's 43.3 per cent, and China's 14.1 per cent), while Russia was not even in the top 20 of US trading partners.

In 2012, ExxonMobil and the Russian state oil company Rosneft concluded a huge deal to develop oil and gas in the Kara Sea (Arctic), but sanctions brought this venture to a shuddering halt.

Since then, global energy prices have fallen by more than half, making such cooperation far less profitable.

The expansion of US shale gas has put further downward pressure on prices, in the process undermining one of Moscow's chief instruments for projecting power, and creating yet another source of tension in the relationship.

Personal conflict

Finally, the personal dynamic between Trump and Putin has proved largely a negative. Presidential diplomacy can sometimes make progress where this would otherwise be impossible.

However, Trump and Putin are such alienating figures in Washington their direct involvement in policy initiatives has tended to discredit these.

The former director of national intelligence, James Clapper, reflected a widely held view when he remarked that many of Trump's actions seemed designed to "make Russia great", not America.

Putin is clearly sensitive to this perception. At a press conference following the 2017 BRICS summit in Xiamen, he responded archly when asked whether he was disappointed in Trump: "He is not my bride, and I am not his bride or fiance".

Dr Bobo Lo is a non-resident fellow at the Lowy Institute and an associate research fellow with the Russia/NIS Center at the French Institute of International Relations. This is an excerpt of a paper released by the Lowy Institute,  https://www.lowyinstitute.org/publications/accident-waiting-happen-trump-putin-and-us-russia-relationship" rel="nofollow - "An Accident Waiting to Happen - Trump, Putin and the US-Russia relationship" .

Topics:  http://www.abc.net.au/news/topic/donald-trump" rel="nofollow - donald-trump ,  http://www.abc.net.au/news/topic/world-politics" rel="nofollow - world-politics ,  http://www.abc.net.au/news/topic/foreign-affairs" rel="nofollow - foreign-affairs ,  http://www.abc.net.au/news/topic/united-states" rel="nofollow - united-states ,  http://www.abc.net.au/news/topic/russian-federation" rel="nofollow - russian-federation



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1995 ‧ Science fiction film/Thriller ‧ 2h 11m a must for AFT


Posted By: Satori
Date Posted: October 27 2017 at 11:12am

http://crooksandliars.com/2017/10/cnns-jeffrey-toobin-rightly-says-whole" rel="nofollow - CNN's Jeffrey Toobin Rightly Says 'This Whole Uranium Thing Comes From Fox News'

http://crooksandliars.com/2017/10/cnns-jeffrey-toobin-rightly-says-whole

CNN's legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin weighed in on the controversy. "This whole uranium thing comes from Fox News. This is a closed investigation that came up in Peter Schweizer's book, http://www.amazon.com/dp/B01GZS3A02/?tag=crooksandliar-20" rel="nofollow - Clinton Cash " in 2015. It was discredited then."

Camerota said the uranium deal came about in "2010."

Toobin continued, "The book came out in 2015. It was one of the accusations, it's has been discredited. Two years later, Fox News and Republicans in Congress and Republicans in the White House start raising it simply as a way to wave Russia back at the Democrats."


MORE FAKE NEWS from  Trump and the FAUX News Network



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“The point of modern propaganda isn’t only to misinform or push an agenda. It is to exhaust your critical thinking, to annihilate truth.” Gary Kasparov


Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: October 27 2017 at 12:49pm
It can be very hard to find out whom is lying about political events and whom is merely twisting things to their own advantage.  With that in mind, I decided to do an advanced search on Google to see how many posts came up about "dodgy deals" with Russia and who published which opinion.  The search included the words Democrat OR Republican OR Clinton OR Bush OR Obama OR Trump and the search included the parameters of only the last 24 hours.  

Three pages of results appeared.  After the non political results were removed there were seven results remaining. 

My next task was to evaluate the sites which published these stories.

One was anti-Trump, though logically so and evidenced based. Sadly it was from a comedian, Seth Myers.  It was reasonable, but it is way too hard to take seriously someone whose other stories were about things as relevant to our political situation as "Game of Thrones".

Next, two came from The John Gaunt show - which is so heavily right wing it calls our UKIP "soft" and so inaccurate it calls London more dangerous than New York, suggesting it houses hundreds of Jihadis, which is laughable. 

Then there was Eye Witness News, which only mentioned politicians in passing, the rest was about nuclear power in South Africa.  There was once a shooting magazine which published a review of "Lady Chatterly's Lover" during its obscenity trial.  The review talked only about the accuracy/inaccuracy of the pheasant rearing information.  The article reminded me of that.  There were three more in the same vein. Mentioning the politics only in passing whilst discussing something else

Where did this all lead me?  Nowhere!  - at least when trying to uncover the truth of the scandals being bandied about.  In conclusion, If you look hard enough on the internet, you can find evidence of Father Christmas, fairys and alien invasion, but no reliable political information.

Stick to Aft.  At least our differing opinions are researched and thought about.

I might have been able to find something more erudite, logical and accurate if I did a "last week" search.  I apologise, I could not face the hours of trolling through the insanity, hilarity and partisan extremity that would entail.  I failed.  SORRY!




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Posted By: CRS, DrPH
Date Posted: October 27 2017 at 2:00pm
Originally posted by Technophobe Technophobe wrote:



Stick to Aft.  At least our differing opinions are researched and thought about.


I agree!  We have a wide geographical range, and a great deal of variation in political thought, without any axes to grind!  That's why I like our political discourse on AFT. 

I found this to be compelling information regarding the purported Clinton/Russia angle:

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/10/a-false-corruption-claim/" rel="nofollow - http://www.factcheck.org/2016/10/a-false-corruption-claim/

However, whenever "Slick Willie" Clinton is involved, anything is possible!!  

I get a bit tired of all the endless investigations into the Clintons that end up with nothing - Whitewater, Benghazi etc.  I don't know what the US Alt Right would do if they were to both suddenly die!!  Go after their daughter Chelsea probably. 

AFT is great, keep up the dialogue!  This is all pertinent to our core mission of pandemic planning, as the ongoing political turmoil does nothing good for national or international preparedness.  


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Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: October 27 2017 at 2:49pm
agreed Chuck,

nothing like getting other folks opinion,

especially from  a close Friend you tells you you have Bad Breath............




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12 Monkeys...............
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Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: October 27 2017 at 3:11pm

Chinese President Xi Jinping takes absolute control of armed forces in military shake-up

By China correspondent  http://www.abc.net.au/news/matthew-carney/6634066" rel="nofollow - Matthew Carney

Updated Thu at 3:07pm

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-26/soldiers/9089942" rel="nofollow -
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-25/chinas-xi-jinping-consolidates-power-with-second-term/9084940" rel="nofollow - http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-24/xi-jinping-becomes-most-powerful-chinese-leader-since-mao/9081216" rel="nofollow - http://www.google.com/maps/place/China/@35,105,5z" rel="nofollow - #sheet-default-icon-chevron-circle-down" rel="nofollow - -

The Chinese military — the People's Liberation Army (PLA) — has seen the biggest shake-up in decades at the week-long  http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-25/chinas-xi-jinping-consolidates-power-with-second-term/9084940" rel="nofollow - 19th Party Congress that has wrapped up in Beijing .

Most of the top leadership has been replaced with President Xi Jinping's generals.

Mr Xi has already started a complete overhaul and modernisation process of the military.

He wants a fighting force that can back up his vision of making China a world power by 2050.

With more than 2 million troops, China has the world biggest military, but now  http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-24/xi-jinping-becomes-most-powerful-chinese-leader-since-mao/9081216" rel="nofollow - Mr Xi wants it to be the best .

He has set up the deadlines for this to happen. By 2035 he wants it fully modernised and by 2050 to be the top-ranked military.

Nearly 90 per cent of the military delegates to the Congress were new faces.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-26/aircraft-carrier/9089988" rel="nofollow -

On Wednesday, Mr Xi replaced three out of the four top generals of the Central Military Committee.

This was the last but most important step in Mr Xi taking absolute control of the armed forces.

Professor Willy Lam from the Chinese University of Hong Kong said the purges had been intense in the months leading up to the Congress.

"The entire structure of the PLA has been shaken up. In the last two months, we have seen the elevation of 20 close proteges of Xi Jinping," he said.

"Generals that Xi Jinping knew when he worked in the provinces of Fujian and Zhejiang from 1985 to 2007. So, these generals that he has trusted have been promoted."

Mr Xi's reform process is already well underway. Seven military regions have been re-made into five combat commands. The aim is to modernise to make troops more mobile and war-ready.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-26/a-chinese-paramilitary-policeman-takes-part-in-a-military-train/9089924" rel="nofollow -

Political power grows out of barrel of a gun

Professor Lam said Mr Xi has used strident nationalism, like claims over the South and East China seas to build his legitimacy as a strongman.

"There is no doubt that Xi Jinping will reserve a big part of the budget for military modernisation and particularly the modernisation of weapons," he said.

"Xi Jinping as the leader of the PLA is convinced within 10 to 20 years, China can close the gap with the Russians, and before the middle of this century China can close the defence gap in terms of military and weapon sophistication with the United States."

The blue water navy is to be built up as China pushes itself further into the Pacific.

China has built its second aircraft carrier and there is more on the way.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-26/j-20-fighter/9089968" rel="nofollow -

The navy is set to get a threefold increase in marines in the next several years. It is also extending its military presence further afield, setting up a base in Djibouti on the Horn of Africa.

China is already starting to build its own military hardware. It has developed the J-20 stealth fighter and the new generation J-16 strike jet fighter.

The PLA has taken delivery of its 1,000th attack helicopter — 20 years ago they only had 100 and they were used for transport.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-26/soldier/9090068" rel="nofollow -

But there is a long way to go and the Chinese military has not been tested in battle since 1979, when they suffered a humiliating counterpunch by a battle-hardened Vietnamese army.

Professor Joseph Chen, from City University of Hong Kong, said the military build is part and parcel of China becoming a superpower.

"It's natural China will want to have a say, [China] would like to have a measure of control. But this is going to be a long-term process and an expensive process, and it will alarm China's neighbours, so these will be the difficulties facing China," he said.

Mr Xi has made it clear he wants to make China great again, and he knows Mao Zedong's famous adage that "political power grows out of barrel of a gun" is an important way to do it.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-26/rtx3hwrj.jpg/9090032" rel="nofollow -

Topics:  http://www.abc.net.au/news/topic/government-and-politics" rel="nofollow - government-and-politics ,  http://www.abc.net.au/news/topic/federal-government" rel="nofollow - federal-government ,  http://www.abc.net.au/news/topic/defence-and-national-security" rel="nofollow - defence-and-national-security ,  http://www.abc.net.au/news/topic/defence-forces" rel="nofollow - defence-forces ,  http://www.abc.net.au/news/topic/defence-industry" rel="nofollow - defence-industry ,  http://www.abc.net.au/news/topic/world-politics" rel="nofollow - world-politics , http://www.abc.net.au/news/topic/china" rel="nofollow - china



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Posted By: Medclinician
Date Posted: October 29 2017 at 11:17am
Time to lock her up - Hillary Clinton - and all those involved - The Real News



Medclinician




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"not if but when" the original Medclinician


Posted By: Medclinician
Date Posted: October 29 2017 at 11:26am
Originally posted by carbon20 carbon20 wrote:

Chinese President Xi Jinping takes absolute control of armed forces in military shake-up




This has nothing at all to do with this thread. Not even close. 

Medclinician


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Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: October 29 2017 at 2:26pm

Hillary Clinton Gave 20 Percent of United States' Uranium to Russia in Exchange for Clinton Foundation Donations?

Allegations of a "quid pro quo" deal giving Russia ownership of one-fifth of U.S. uranium deposits in exchange for $145 million in donations to the Clinton Foundation are unsubstantiated.

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Sec. of State Hillary Clinton's approval of a deal to transfer control of 20% of U.S. uranium deposits to a Russian company was a quid pro quo exchange for donations to the Clinton Foundation. https://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-uranium-russia-deal/#examples" rel="nofollow - See Example( s )



RATING

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ORIGIN

In the months leading up to the 2016 United States presidential election, stories abounded about the relationships between the Clinton Foundation and various foreign entities.

May 2015 saw the publication of a book called Clinton Cash: The Untold Story of How and Why Foreign Governments and Businesses Helped Make Bill and Hillary Rich, an exposé of alleged Clinton Foundation corruption written by Peter Schweizer, a former Hoover Institution fellow and editor-at-large at the right-wing media company Breitbart.

A chapter in the book suggests that the Clinton family and Russia each may have benefited from a “pay-for-play” scheme while Hillary Clinton was secretary of state, involving the transfer of U.S. uranium reserves to the new Russian owners of an international mining operation in exchange for $145 million in donations to the  https://www.clintonfoundation.org/" rel="nofollow - Clinton Foundation .

The mining company, Uranium One, was originally based in South Africa, but merged in 2007 with Canada-based UrAsia Energy. Shareholders there retained a controlling interest until 2010, when Russia’s nuclear agency, Rosatom, completed purchase of a 51% stake. Hillary Clinton played a part in the transaction because it involved the transfer of ownership of a material deemed important to national security — uranium, amounting to one-fifth of U.S. reserves — thus requiring the approval of the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States (CFIUS), on which the U.S. Secretary of State sits.

During the same time frame that the acquisition took place, Schweizer claims in Clinton Cash, the Clinton Foundation accepted contributions from nine individuals associated with Uranium One totaling more than $100 million. Among those who followed him in citing the transaction as an example of alleged Clinton corruption was GOP presidential nominee Donald Trump, who said during a June 2016  http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/22/politics/donald-trump-speech-hillary-clinton/" rel="nofollow - speech  in New York City:

Hillary Clinton’s State Department approved the transfer of 20% of America’s uranium holdings to Russia, while nine investors in the deal funneled $145 million to the Clinton Foundation.

Trump’s campaign repeated the allegation in a September 2016  https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/clinton-corruption-case-study-uranium-one" rel="nofollow - press release , and again in an October 2016 television  https://youtu.be/epbmHco8sF0" rel="nofollow - ad  stating that Clinton “gave American uranium rights to the Russians”:

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An image circulating via social media during the final months of the presidential campaign asked the question, “So Hillary, if Russia is such a threat, why did you sell them 20% of our uranium? Are you a liar, or a traitor, or both?”

https://us-east-1.tchyn.io/snopes-production/uploads/2016/10/clinton-uranium.jpg" rel="nofollow">clinton-uranium

The Uranium One deal was not Clinton’s to veto or approve
 
Among the ways these accusations stray from the facts is in attributing a power of veto or approval to Secretary Clinton that she simply did not have. Clinton was one of  https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/international/foreign-investment/Pages/cfius-members.aspx" rel="nofollow - nine  cabinet members and department heads that sit on the CFIUS, and the secretary of the treasury is its chairperson. CFIUS members are collectively charged with evaluating the transaction for potential national security issues, then turning their findings over to the president. By  https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/international/foreign-investment/Documents/CFIUSGuidance.pdf" rel="nofollow - law , the committee can’t veto a transaction; only the president can. According to The New York Times, Clinton may not have even directly participated in the Uranium One decision. Then-Assistant Secretary of State Jose Fernandez, whose job it was to represent the State Dept. on CFIUS,  http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html" rel="nofollow - said  Clinton herself “never intervened” in committee matters.

Despite transfer of ownership, the uranium remained in the U.S.

A key fact ignored in criticisms of Clinton’s supposed involvement in the deal is that the uranium was not — nor could it be — exported, and remained under the control of U.S.-based subsidiaries of Uranium One, according to a  https://web.archive.org/web/20170129043258/https://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-collections/news/2010/10-211.pdf" rel="nofollow - statement by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission:

NRC’s review of the transfer of control request determined that the U.S. subsidiaries will
remain the licensees, will remain qualified to conduct the uranium recovery operations, and will continue to have the equipment, facilities, and procedures necessary to protect public health and safety and to minimize danger to life or property. The review also determined that the licensees will maintain adequate financial surety for eventual decommissioning of the sites. Neither Uranium One nor ARMZ holds an NRC export license, so no uranium produced at either facility may be exported.

The timing of most of the donations does not match
 
Of the $145 million allegedly contributed to the Clinton Foundation by Uranium One investors, the lion’s share — $131.3 million — came from a single donor, Frank Giustra, the company’s founder. But Giustra  http://blog.ceo.ca/2015/04/23/statement-of-frank-giustra/" rel="nofollow - sold off  his entire stake in the company in 2007, three years before the Russia deal and at least 18 months before Clinton became secretary of state. 

Of the remaining individuals connected with Uranium One who donated to the Clinton Foundation, only one was found to have contributed during the same time frame that the deal was taking place,  http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html" rel="nofollow - according  to The New York Times — Ian Telfer, the company’s chairman:

His donations through the Fernwood Foundation included $1 million reported in 2009, the year his company appealed to the American Embassy to help it keep its mines in Kazakhstan; $250,000 in 2010, the year the Russians sought majority control; as well as $600,000 in 2011 and $500,000 in 2012. Mr. Telfer said that his donations had nothing to do with his business dealings, and that he had never discussed Uranium One with Mr. or Mrs. Clinton. He said he had given the money because he wanted to support Mr. Giustra’s charitable endeavors with Mr. Clinton. “Frank and I have been friends and business partners for almost 20 years,” he said. 

The timing of Telfer’s donations might be questionable if there was reason to believe that Hillary Clinton was instrumental in the approval of the deal with Russia, but all the evidence points to the contrary — that Clinton did not play a pivotal role, and, in fact, may not have played any role at all.

Foundation admits disclosure mistakes
 
One fault investigations into the Clinton Foundation’s practices did find was that not all of the donations were properly disclosed — specifically, those of Uranium One Chairman Ian Telfer between 2009 and 2012. The foundation admitted this shortcoming and  https://www.clintonfoundation.org/blog/2015/04/26/commitment-honesty-transparency-and-accountability" rel="nofollow - pledged  to correct it, but as the Guardian pointed out in its May 2015  https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/may/05/clinton-cash-bill-hillary-scandal-book" rel="nofollow - discussion  of Clinton Cash, the fact that it happened is reason enough to sound alarm bells:

It is also true that large donations to the foundation from the chairman of Uranium One, Ian Telfer, at around the time of the Russian purchase of the company and while Hillary Clinton was secretary of state, were never disclosed to the public. The multimillion sums were channeled through a subsidiary of the Clinton Foundation, CGSCI, which did not reveal its individual donors.

Such awkward collisions between Bill’s fundraising activities and Hillary’s public service have raised concerns not just among those who might be dismissed as part of a vast right-wing conspiracy.

An enormous volume of interest and speculation surrounds the workings of the Clinton Foundation, which is to be expected. Given the enormous sums of money it controls and the fact that it is run by a former U.S. president who is married to a possible future U.S. president, the foundation deserves all the scrutiny it gets, and more.

At the same time, for the sake of accuracy it’s crucial to differentiate between partisan accusations and what we actually know about it — however little that may be.

Update

On 17 October 2017, The Hill  http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/355749-fbi-uncovered-russian-bribery-plot-before-obama-administration" rel="nofollow - reported  obtaining evidence that Vadim Mikerin, a Russian official who oversaw the American operations of the Russian nuclear agency Rosatom, was being investigated for corruption by multiple U.S. agencies while the Uranium One deal was up for approval — information that apparently was not shared with U.S. officials involved in approving the transaction. The Hill also reported receiving documents and eyewitness testimony “indicating Russian nuclear officials had routed millions of dollars to the U.S. designed to benefit former President Bill Clinton’s charitable foundation during the time Secretary of State Hillary Clinton served on a government body that provided a favorable decision to Moscow,” although no specifics about who those Russian nuclear officials were or how the money was allegedly routed to the Clinton Foundation were given. In any case, none of these revelations prove that Secretary of State Hillary Clinton participated in a quid pro quo agreement to accept payment for approval of the Uranium One deal.

Updated [17 October 2017]: Added synopsis of new reportage by The Hill.



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Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: October 29 2017 at 2:46pm
why i posted about China was the Fact you should be looking to what is really happening in the world and not stuck on imaginary bad fairy H.Clinton ,

you are all fixated on a Tweet from a soon to be EX president of the USA ,

the WHOLE world thinks Trump is a bad idea,its only you blind fools that seem to support him,

you all need to wake up ,Climate Change is real ,and its here now ,and if like me you have Grand kids you should be very worried about their future.

all the pollitics all the sports, all the weapons ,

all just BULL...t because the ONLY thing that should on peoples minds is ,

how is the human race going to survive into the 22nd century,

why should i care you may ask ?

the same reason that i believe in a health system that cares for all ,

i am a human being and i do care for others...................

as another "Aside" !!! lol ,have you ever read "the art of war"


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Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: October 29 2017 at 2:56pm
i wonder which side  republicans or democrates ,first  allowed other countries to own mining rights in the in the USA, it would seem that is whats at the bottom of these Clinton /Russian plots ,

we just await to see what Mueller truns up...............


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Posted By: Satori
Date Posted: October 30 2017 at 5:12am
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/10/29/1710809/-Joy-Reid-dismantles-GOP-Uranium-One-propaganda-in-a-little-under-two-minutes" rel="nofollow - Joy Reid dismantles GOP Uranium One propaganda in a little under two minutes

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/10/29/1710809/-Joy-Reid-dismantles-GOP-Uranium-One-propaganda-in-a-little-under-two-minutes

this whole "scandal" is literally the definition of FAKE NEWS

nice try DonnieLOL


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Posted By: Medclinician
Date Posted: October 30 2017 at 7:53am
Originally posted by carbon20 carbon20 wrote:

why i posted about China was the Fact you should be looking to what is really happening in the world and not stuck on imaginary bad fairy H.Clinton ,

you are all fixated on a Tweet from a soon to be EX president of the USA ,

the WHOLE world thinks Trump is a bad idea,its only you blind fools that seem to support him,

you all need to wake up ,Climate Change is real ,and its here now ,and if like me you have Grand kids you should be very worried about their future.

all the pollitics all the sports, all the weapons ,

all just BULL...t because the ONLY thing that should on peoples minds is ,

how is the human race going to survive into the 22nd century,

why should i care you may ask ?

the same reason that i believe in a health system that cares for all ,

i am a human being and i do care for others...................

as another "Aside" !!! lol ,have you ever read "the art of war"


There are other threads for the subjects you have mentioned. The focus of this thread and topic is how Hillary and the Clinton Foundation committed crimes and should be prosecuted.  A Trump impeachment is the delusional fiction of the Social Justice Warriors nearly a year after Trump was elected. They are in denial. They lost. Even trying to fix the election using the media with false polls, Hillary sent herself a congratulation card  she was so sure she would win. She was delusional as was CNN and the New York Times.

The whole world does not think Trump is a bad idea, and at least 50% of America voted for him in the election and were behind his policies and campaign.

Hillary was directly connected to the sale of uranium and took bribes from the Russians to further their agenda in taking U.S. Uranium. No matter how big a smoke screen or what diversion, it was treason.  They begin investigating this today and no matter what shock and awe the Democrats try to wring from a dying horse, Hillary and their foundation should be indicted on racketeering and if not anything else, lying to investigators on numerous occasions.

One does need to learn to focus in life. The DNC and Clinton indirectly paid the Russian to manufacture a false report which was given to our top intelligence people which resulted in a probe.

Carbon20 - you get so emotional about all this. As Spock might say - a little logic would help. You make vast assumpitons - again - Trump will be impeached and the world hates him. This is not so.

Get a grip.  Hillary lost but she still endangered our country and their is a lot of proof.  And do you have no editing skills rather than to cut and past 128 point fonts which fill my whole big screen monitor?

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Posted By: Medclinician
Date Posted: October 30 2017 at 8:04am
Originally posted by Satori Satori wrote:

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/10/29/1710809/-Joy-Reid-dismantles-GOP-Uranium-One-propaganda-in-a-little-under-two-minutes" rel="nofollow - Joy Reid dismantles GOP Uranium One propaganda in a little under two minutes

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/10/29/1710809/-Joy-Reid-dismantles-GOP-Uranium-One-propaganda-in-a-little-under-two-minutes

this whole "scandal" is literally the definition of FAKE NEWS

nice try DonnieLOL


This thread is not about Trump, it is about Hillary. Can anyone stay on topic here?

Joy Reid lost the election for Hillary Clinton and she still is more than one brick shy of a load. As most Social Justice Warrior she thinks saying something makes it true it doesn't.

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/09/19/msnbcs-joy-reid-calls-trump-supporters-deplorables.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/09/19/msnbcs-joy-reid-calls-trump-supporters-deplorables.html

She helped alienate millions of voters for Hillary by calling Trump's supporters "deplorables".  This another black woman on a mission calling people racists at every turn and trying to boost NBCs rating on the network.

I can say anything in 5 minutes. That doesn't mean it's true. I will continue to hedge off all the thread diversions that continue to be completely off topic on this thread.

This is about Hillary Clinton's Russian Connections and also the DNC and Obama Administration. They took over $145,000,000 in bribes, and money to the "Pay for Play" for the Clinton Foundation. The formal investigation of the Uranium Sale sent people to prison and was lied about recently when everyone is claiming they did not know "until today" anything about it.

It will continue.  The rest continues to be a smoke screen and a witch hunt which has turned around. Mueller should be removed from the case since he as involved in a far great example of working with the Russians.

You continue to attack anonymously. When my country and my president is attacked I would like to know where that is coming from. It does matter where you are from and free speech is not shooting bullets from the dark - which is what you are doing.


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Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: October 30 2017 at 8:59am
This thread is about Hilary, not Trump.  So,I see your point, Med.  But, I see Satori's and Carbon's too.  

They see Hilary as a smokescreen to take the heat off of Trump.  Though her dealings with Russia were extremely undesirable, they were not illegal.  Do you really think that a Republican controlled judiciary would let a guilty Democrat walk free?  No chance!


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Posted By: Medclinician
Date Posted: October 31 2017 at 9:46am
http://2www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/10/30/gregg-jarrett-still-no-evidence-trump-russia-collusion-but-hillary-is-different-matter.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/10/30/gregg-jarrett-still-no-evidence-trump-russia-collusion-but-hillary-is-different-matter.html

Over the weekend, the mainstream media was absolutely giddy with delight upon learning there would be an indictment by special counsel, Robert Mueller.  

This was proof positive, they insisted, that Trump “colluded” with Russia to influence the 2016 presidential election.  Their exuberance was the equivalent of a two day-long tailgate party. Too bad it was premature. 

Manafort & Gates

The celebration came to a crashing end when the indictments of Paul Manafort and his business associate, Rick Gates, were unsealed Monday morning.  It turns out the charges are, basically, a tax fraud case.  The two men stand accused of hiding their income from their lobbying work for Ukraine in order to avoid paying taxes, then lying about it.  That’s it.

The 31-page indictment makes no mention of Trump or Russia or “collusion.”  The media seemed as dejected as a kid who wakes up on Christmas morning, only to find there are no presents under the tree.  Gee whiz.  

The truth is, it should have come as no surprise to anyone, much less the media, that Manafort was in legal jeopardy for his business dealings.  The FBI raided his home over the summer.  It was later learned that the FBI wiretapped his conversations as far back as 2014.  And it was widely reported that Manafort had been told by Mueller’s team that he would be criminally charged.

It could be said that Hillary Clinton is the one who was conspiring with the Russians by breaking campaign finance laws with impunity.

The media became even more dispirited when they read through the indictment, discovering that nearly all of Manafort’s alleged wrongdoing substantially pre-dates his brief stint as chairman of the Trump campaign.  In other words, there is no connection to either Trump or his campaign. 

Somewhere, I’m sure, ABC’s Martha Raddatz and CNN’s Van Jones were crying.  Again.  Just like the tears they shed on camera election night when Hillary lost. 

Papadopoulos

But wait.  Shortly after the indictments were unsealed, the media’s spirits were suddenly boosted when the special counsel revealed that a former adviser to Trump pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his contacts with a Russian national during his time on the Trump campaign.  Surely this was evidence of illegal “collusion,” right?

Wrong.  George Papadopoulos pled guilty to a single charge of making a false statement to the FBI.  He was not charged with so-called “collusion” because http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/05/23/gregg-jarrett-what-is-robert-mueller-investigating-since-collusion-is-not-crime.html" rel="nofollow - no such crime exists in American statutory law, except in anti-trust matters.  It has no application to elections and political campaigns.

It is not a crime to talk to a Russian. Not that the media would ever understand that.  They have never managed to point to a single statute that makes “colluding” with a foreign government in a political campaign a crime, likely because it does not exist in the criminal codes.

To put it plainly, Mueller is tasked with finding a crime that does not exist in the law. It is a legal impossibility. He is being asked to do something that is manifestly unattainable.

But that did not stop them from accusing Donald Trump, Jr., of illegally conspiring with the Russians when he met with a Russian lawyer to obtain information on Hillary Clinton.  What law did he break?  None.  The Federal Election Commission has made it clear that it is perfectly lawful for foreign nationals to be involved in campaigns, as long as they are not paid and do not donate money.  Which brings us to Hillary Clinton.

Hillary Clinton

It is against the law for the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee to funnel millions of dollars to a British spy and to Russian sources in order to obtain the infamous and discredited Trump “dossier.”  The Federal Election Campaign Act (52 USC 30101) prohibits foreign nationals and governments from giving or receiving money in U.S. campaigns.  It also prohibits the filing of false or misleading campaign reports to hide the true purpose of the money (52 USC 30121).  This is what Clinton and the DNC appear to have done.

Most often the penalty for violating this law is a fine, but in egregious cases, like this one, criminal prosecutions have been sought and convictions obtained.  In this sense, it could be said that Hillary Clinton is the one who was conspiring with the Russians by breaking campaign finance laws with impunity.

But that’s not all.  http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/10/18/gregg-jarrett-clinton-cover-up-brought-to-by-same-guys-who-are-investigating-trump.html" rel="nofollow - Damning new evidence appears to show that Clinton used her office as Secretary of State to confer benefits to Russia in exchange for millions of dollars in donations to her foundation and cash to her husband.  Secret recordings, intercepted emails, financial records, and eyewitness accounts allegedly show that Russian nuclear officials enriched the Clintons at the very time Hillary presided over a governing body which unanimously approved the sale of one-fifth of America’s uranium supply to Russia. 

If this proves to be a corrupt “pay-to-play” scheme, it would constitute a myriad of crimes, including bribery (18 USC 201-b), mail fraud (18 USC 1341), and wire fraud (18 USC 1343).  It might also qualify for racketeering charges (18 USC 1961-1968), if her foundation is determined to have been used as a criminal enterprise. 

Despite all the incriminating evidence, Clinton has managed to avoid being pursued by a special counsel.  Trump, on the other hand, is being chased by Robert Mueller and his team, notwithstanding a dearth of evidence. 

Robert Mueller

The indictments of Manafort and Gates now present a unique opportunity to challenge the authority of the special counsel. 

Until now, no one had legal “standing” to argue in court that the appointment of Mueller was illegal.  The criminal charges change all that.  The two defendants will be able to argue before a judge that Mueller’s appointment by Acting Attorney General Rod Rosenstein violated the special counsel law. 

As I pointed out http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/05/23/gregg-jarrett-what-is-robert-mueller-investigating-since-collusion-is-not-crime.html" rel="nofollow - in a column last May , the law (28 CFR 600) grants legal authority to appoint a special counsel to investigate crimes.  Only crimes.  He has limited jurisdiction.  Yet, in his order appointing Mueller as special counsel (Order No. 3915-2017), Rosenstein directed him to investigate “any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump.”   It fails to identify any specific crimes, likely because none are applicable. 

To put it plainly, Mueller is tasked with finding a crime that does not exist in the law.  It is a legal impossibility.  He is being asked to do something that is manifestly unattainable. 

If the federal judge agrees, Mueller and his team would be disbanded by judicial order.  The Department of Justice would have to seek a new indictment of Manafort and Gates without the special counsel or drop the case entirely. 

The naming of Robert Mueller was tainted with disqualifying conflicts of interest from the beginning.  Fired FBI Director James Comey admitted he leaked presidential memos to the media for the sole purpose of triggering the appointment of a special counsel who just happens to be Comey’s longtime friend, ally and partner. 

It is no coincidence that Rosenstein appointed Mueller.  We now know both men were overseeing the corrupt Uranium One sale which involved Russian bribes, kickbacks, extortion and money laundering.  They appear to have kept it secret, even hiding it from Congress which would surely have cancelled the transaction involving a vital national security asset.  A cover-up?  It has the stench of one. 

How can Americans have confidence in the outcome of the Trump-Russia matter if the integrity and impartiality of Mueller and Rosenstein has been compromised by their suspected cover-up of the Clinton-Russia case?   Both men should resign. 

And a new special counsel should be appointed – this time to investigate Hillary Clinton, not Donald Trump.  

Medclinician

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Posted By: Satori
Date Posted: October 31 2017 at 10:52am
not even worthy of comment

crickets chirping..............


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Posted By: jacksdad
Date Posted: October 31 2017 at 2:24pm
Carbon - I was reading an article about Xi Jinping using the Communist Party Congress that took place earlier this month to consolidate his power. Seems he's doing that, and a whole lot more.





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"Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary.


Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: October 31 2017 at 2:52pm
Didn't Trump prise Xi recently?  It's like watching the mafia patting each other on the back. 

"Eh, Louigi!  You are such a great a Guy!"
"Thank a you Pappa.  It is all a for family!"

I think I am about to part company with my canolli.


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Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: October 31 2017 at 2:58pm
i NEVER get emotional,about  a FOX news item, (never read the rubbish) or politics ,to me its a a big joke , and Chump is the top JOKER....at the moment, 

please Note ,Obama will be the next President of the USA ,

 i cant wait to see Chump SACKED.......

Jacksdad, if you have ever read "the Art of War",its very pertanent to the China situation we have developing NOW.....they building "ports" all over in Strategic places , i.e Sri Lanka,Djibouti , building and fortifing Islands...........seems to me they building infrastructure to what means  ,who knows.....

the World needs a strong USA lead by a 

STATESMAN................

not a TWIT SALESMAN !!!!!




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Posted By: jacksdad
Date Posted: October 31 2017 at 3:23pm
Their ports are almost sovereign territory too, regardless of the country they're in, carbon. Local labor laws don't seem to apply, and they act as their own government. And they make sure to pick spots where an influx of foreign capital and jobs are desperately needed. There's a method to all this, and it doesn't make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

In between insulting him, I believe he did, Techno LOL








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Posted By: Satori
Date Posted: November 15 2017 at 6:34am
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/11/15/1715786/-Shep-Smith-commits-an-act-of-journalism-on-uranium-scandal-and-Fox-News-viewers-are-outraged" rel="nofollow - Shep Smith commits an act of journalism on uranium 'scandal,' and Fox News viewers are outraged



https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/11/15/1715786/-Shep-Smith-commits-an-act-of-journalism-on-uranium-scandal-and-Fox-News-viewers-are-outraged


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Posted By: CRS, DrPH
Date Posted: November 15 2017 at 12:02pm
Originally posted by Satori Satori wrote:

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/11/15/1715786/-Shep-Smith-commits-an-act-of-journalism-on-uranium-scandal-and-Fox-News-viewers-are-outraged" rel="nofollow - Shep Smith commits an act of journalism on uranium 'scandal,' and Fox News viewers are outraged



https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/11/15/1715786/-Shep-Smith-commits-an-act-of-journalism-on-uranium-scandal-and-Fox-News-viewers-are-outraged

Great minds etc.!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/11/15/fox-news-shepherd-smith-debunks-his-networks-hillary-clinton-scandal-story-infuriates-viewers/?utm_term=.e11f291e73f3" rel="nofollow - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/11/15/fox-news-shepherd-smith-debunks-his-networks-hillary-clinton-scandal-story-infuriates-viewers/?utm_term=.e11f291e73f3


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Posted By: jacksdad
Date Posted: November 15 2017 at 3:22pm
I've never understood how Shepherd Smith has lasted at Fox. He's far more suited to CNN or MSNBC. It's refreshing to see someone able to step away from the network script, but that doesn't exactly scream job security to me.

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Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: November 15 2017 at 3:23pm
Just reading your LEADER has "mislead"you 1600 times since taking office....

Nice man....not

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Posted By: Medclinician
Date Posted: November 21 2017 at 7:51am

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/11/21/marc-thiessen-yes-clintons-should-be-investigated.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/11/21/marc-thiessen-yes-clintons-should-be-investigated.html

President Trump’s critics are arguing that GOP calls for the Justice Department  https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/appointing-a-second-special-counsel-could-rattle-justice-department/2017/11/14/a5936856-c96e-11e7-aa96-54417592cf72_story.html?utm_term=.a3fb49d7f378" rel="nofollow - to investigate Hillary Clinton and Democrats’ ties to Russia are an effort to distract from the real Russia investigation, into potential Trump-Russia collusion.

No, they are not.

Ever since Watergate, the mantra of all major corruption investigations has been to “follow the money.” Well, Americans of all political stripes should be outraged by the fact that both Democrats and Republicans in Washington are up to their eyeballs in Kremlin cash. Russian money found its way into the pockets of not only Trump advisers like Paul Manafort and Rick Gates — who were recently  https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/10/30/the-paul-manafort-and-rick-gates-indictment-annotated/?utm_term=.295ec7ee99ee" rel="nofollow - indicted  by special counsel Robert S. Mueller III — but also Democratic power lobbyist  https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/powerful-lobbyist-tony-podesta-steps-down-amid-muellers-russia-probe/2017/10/30/082a5e42-bd9f-11e7-959c-fe2b598d8c00_story.html?utm_term=.3b22dd625935" rel="nofollow - Tony Podesta , Bill Clinton and the Clinton Foundation.

This should suggest to objective observers that Russia was using its money to influence both sides in order to advance the Kremlin’s interests. And it means that any full and impartial investigation of Russia’s efforts to influence our political process needs to follow the Russian money flowing into the coffers of the Clintons, their foundation and their top associates.

The New York Times  https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html?_r=1" rel="nofollow - reported  in 2015 that “shortly after the Russians announced their intention to acquire a majority stake in Uranium One, [former President Bill] Clinton received $500,000 for a Moscow speech from a Russian investment bank with links to the Kremlin that was promoting Uranium One stock.” In total,  http://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-clintons-russia-trump-688592" rel="nofollow - $145 million  went to the Clinton Foundation from interests linked to Uranium One, which was acquired by the Russian government nuclear agency Rosatum.

comment: Follow the money. There is none going to Trump and all going to the Clinton's from Russia. What interference there may have been from Russia - which of course meddles in everything - it was with the DNC and Clintons in the Uranium Deal.

Let's get it straight people. Hillary is the crook and falsehood teller of the decade.

Medclinician





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"not if but when" the original Medclinician


Posted By: Medclinician
Date Posted: November 21 2017 at 8:16am
The Real News - and now after decades of illegal actions and criminal activity it is time for a special counsel to be appointed to investigate the link between Russia getting 20% of the U.S. uranium to make nuclear bombs and a threat to our national security.  This dishonesty from the Clinton's is not new. The Democrats would be well to put this and Hillary behind them if they have any common sense. It is time to replace the oldsters in Congress with young blood which represents the next generation of America and clean the biggest swamp of all with people who have no term limit.

What a nasty business it has been and with Bill Clinton getting $500,000 from Russia and the Clinton foundation getting over $145,000,000.

The evidence of Russian collusion?  It points to Hillary and the Clintons - the truth about their history of criminal acts...

Medclinician




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"not if but when" the original Medclinician


Posted By: Medclinician
Date Posted: November 21 2017 at 8:19am
The real story of Russian Collusion - the guilty - Hillary Clinton and the Clinton foundation

Medclinician




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"not if but when" the original Medclinician


Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: November 21 2017 at 9:44am
You win, Med

I have to concede this argument; (not because I believe her guilty of any of it, as the vast majority was disproven by your own law enforcement agencies long ago, not even because I believe her innocent of everything - as I believe her to be as crooked as a corkscrew, obviously not because I believe her worse than Trump – I really, REALLY, REALLY don't, not even because the sites you tend to use are renowned for lies and inventions).


But, I give in because it does not matter if she is innocent or not. She is not in power. She is not likely ever to gain power. 'And, as the biggest crook un-hung IS in power AND UNDERMINING EVERY GREAT PRINCIPLE AMERICA EVER STOOD FOR - with the mandate of half of it (How shamefull!), she just simply does not matter; except possibly as a distraction from the real problem, the racist, bent, lying, super-twisted corkscrew who IS in power.


So, why bother trawling through the lies, half-truths, propaganda, statistics and biased opinion whish rules the web, hunting for a tiny morsel of truth in that endless, electronic cess-pit, to disprove a few nasty lies about a woman whom I despise?  Even worse, why help thicken the smokescreen around the most dangerous man to rise to power for the last ½ century, without good reason?


So, You win, Med - by default.



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Posted By: Satori
Date Posted: November 21 2017 at 12:21pm


so far this story is a big NOTHING BURGER
even only the nut job type Republicans are pushing this

but hey
lets reelect Hillary so we can impeach herLOL


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Posted By: jacksdad
Date Posted: November 21 2017 at 12:43pm
No export license was ever issued, so the uranium would have been used domestically. And Russian doesn't need American uranium - there's an excess of the stuff.




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"Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary.


Posted By: Satori
Date Posted: November 21 2017 at 12:43pm

Journalist Sara Carter Slams DOJ Attempt To Discredit FBI Informant And Stonewall Uranium One Investigation


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-21/journalist-sara-carter-slams-doj-attempt-discredit-fbi-informant-and-stonewall-urani


Based on what the FBI knew – including evidence which purportedly includes a video of Russians preparing  http://ibankcoin.com/zeropointnow/2017/11/17/fbi-informant-has-video-of-russian-agents-with-briefcases-of-bribe-money-in-clinton-uranium-scandal/#sthash.EqaqDfLP.dpbs" rel="nofollow - briefcases of bribe money  – the deal never should have gone through. Moreover, both Robert Mueller and current deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein were directly involved – and current Attorney General Jeff Sessions and other Justice Department officials appear to be covering for them.


hmm

lets go ahead and do a full investigation

Sessions who was appointed by Trump is involved ,Trump is involved

this is gonna be good

interesting that the Trump Justice Dept is sitting on this ???

WHY???


the Republicans control the White House,the Senate and the House

and they are not investigating this ???

things that make ya go hmmmmm LOL



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“The point of modern propaganda isn’t only to misinform or push an agenda. It is to exhaust your critical thinking, to annihilate truth.” Gary Kasparov


Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: November 21 2017 at 1:40pm
WHAT A NONSENSE STORY,

The party that allowed foreign investment  in American Uranium companies is the guilty party here,

end of.............

now who was that ?

 i dont know, but i bet my guess would be 100% on the money

and why would you believe anything chump says ?

everything that comes out of his filthy mouth is a LIE

"its easier to fool someone ,than get them to admit they been TAKEN FOR A BIG RIDE"

WAKE UP ..............



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12 Monkeys...............
1995 ‧ Science fiction film/Thriller ‧ 2h 11m a must for AFT


Posted By: Satori
Date Posted: November 24 2017 at 5:05am
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/11/24/1716068/-Flynn-Bannon-and-Kushner-were-making-money-by-proliferating-nuclear-materials-in-the-Middle-East" rel="nofollow - Flynn, Bannon, and Kushner were making money by proliferating nuclear materials in the Middle East

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/11/24/1716068/-Flynn-Bannon-and-Kushner-were-making-money-by-proliferating-nuclear-materials-in-the-Middle-East


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“The point of modern propaganda isn’t only to misinform or push an agenda. It is to exhaust your critical thinking, to annihilate truth.” Gary Kasparov



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