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Topic: War Syria Israel
Posted By: Dutch Josh
Subject: War Syria Israel
Date Posted: February 10 2018 at 1:58am
DJ-the Syria war seems to have escalated into (for the moment) several waves of Israeli airstrikes on Iranian targets in Syria. (By my defenition of "war" this is war-a war-hopefully very small-between for the moment Syria and Israel.)

Since the very unstable situation in the Middle East this war can get out of control very fast.

The 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic partly had to do with World War 1. At present the US is dealing with the A-H3N2 flu epidemic. Combining it with mass movements will spread the virus.

I will follow this "off-topic".

We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
~Albert Einstein

Posted By: CRS, DrPH
Date Posted: February 10 2018 at 11:39am
^Thanks DJ!  As ever, Israel seems to need a dust-up with their neighbors every so often.  I don't see this escalating much, as their conflicts always seem to be limited in recent years.  However, if Iran ever gets a nuke, that could change. 

Of course, our illustrious President can't wait to launch a military raid someplace, any place....perhaps starting with Iran?" rel="nofollow -


Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: February 10 2018 at 1:07pm
When Hal Turner (HT) is correct there is a news black-out (to avoid panic)." rel="nofollow -" rel="nofollow - and" rel="nofollow - do not confirm the HT-story-are not likely working with a news blackout. (" rel="nofollow - may be the bases for the HT story)

CRS, DrPH-The US will not stay out of this escalation. Not looking good at all !

(" rel="nofollow - Israeli News Live claim Netanyahu resign monday to face 6 months in prison for corruption)" rel="nofollow - :

And as Israel has long sought ways to justify attacks on Iranian assets in Syria while at the same time undermining and destabilizing the Syrian government, the downing of an F-16 may have given Israel's hawkish leadership the excuse they've been looking for all along to escalate toward a final confrontation. 

Middle East based journalist and analyst Elijah Magnier says we could be witnessing the tipping point that will ignite the entire region. Magnier" rel="nofollow - reports  that according to a "private source, all Syrian military and intelligence and their allies' (Hezbollah) positions in Syrian and Lebanon are on full alert." 

We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
~Albert Einstein

Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: February 10 2018 at 1:53pm
there is alot of battle hard  men out there looking to destroy Israel,

they think they have a chance THIS TIme !!!

12 Monkeys...............
1995 ‧ Science fiction film/Thriller ‧ 2h 11m a must for AFT

Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: February 10 2018 at 10:47pm

PM Modi of India was visiting Ramalah-the West Bank yesterday, also the US has forces in Israel for joint drills. The timing for Israel to take down a drone is not a coincidence. Netanyahu may be hoping to get both the US and India on an anti-Iran agenda. (India has the long term conflict with Pakistan (both have nuclear weapons)-at present India is run by Hindu-anti Muslim fanatics. Pakistan is shifting away from "the west"-might have better relations with Iran-is working in the China-Pakistan-Economic Corridor. Pakistan must be a nightmare/horror for some in the US.)

Since the Jerusalem-decision the US has not only Russia/China as a chosen enemy but also a major part of the Muslim-world. The Syria-conflict could explode to a global conflict very fast.

We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
~Albert Einstein

Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: February 11 2018 at 2:02pm
yes Dutch Josh,things could go pear shaped very quickly,

China is a worry ,dont forget they Own Pakistan.........

and the Hindu /muslim thing is also interesting,

12 Monkeys...............
1995 ‧ Science fiction film/Thriller ‧ 2h 11m a must for AFT

Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: February 11 2018 at 2:03pm

Stan Grant: We have entered the post-American era

By Matter of Fact host" rel="nofollow - Stan Grant

Updated 1 Feb 2018, 9:57am" rel="nofollow">Charred US flag at consulate in Libya" rel="nofollow -" rel="nofollow -,134.500,5z" rel="nofollow - #sheet-default-icon-chevron-circle-down" rel="nofollow - -

Pax Americana is dead. We have entered a post-American world.

Too hasty? Well, according to the Economist magazine the American President is no longer the world's most powerful leader. That mantle belongs to China's Xi Jinping.

It is Xi who talks about being the champion of globalisation and international trade, while Donald Trump's mantra is "America first".

At risk is a global order imagined by Woodrow Wilson, the US president during World War I: democracy, capitalism, interventionism, that laid a platform for economic growth, innovation and human rights.

Political scientist Joseph Nye saw this future more than a decade ago when he published The Paradox of American Power.

Writing after the September 11 terror attack, Mr Nye warned about the dangers of American complacency.

The US changed its gaze

After the collapse of the Soviet empire and the end of the Cold War, Nye said the United States stopped paying attention to the world and turned their sights inward.

Even those who did look beyond America, he wrote, "became arrogant about our power, arguing that we did not need to heed other nations. We seemed both invincible and invulnerable".

Tragically Osama bin Laden reminded America just how vulnerable it was.

Fast forward and America is rubbing up against the limits of its power." rel="nofollow">Obama Hope 2008 by Shepard Fairey" rel="nofollow -

War and recession have left it weary.

The Obama years began with a theme of hope. Remember his victory speech? "This was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal."

His critics called it the "Moses speech".

Eight years later, those same critics declared the Obama presidency a failure.

Even in the sober-minded journal Foreign Affairs, Harvard University's Professor of International Relations, Stephen Walt, said it was, "a tragedy, especially when it comes to foreign policy".

Obama's gone, but Kim, Assad and Putin remain

There is a cased to be made that Mr Obama was a poor foreign policy president.

Yes, he got bin Laden. But he was accused of poorly handling the war in Afghanistan, unnecessarily prolonging a conflict that today has failed to oust the Taliban.

Mr Obama underestimated the rise of Islamic State, declaring it a "JV" (junior varsity) terrorist organisation.

He misread the Arab Spring, failing to see the threat of violent extremists who had exploited the upheaval.

He demanded Syria's President, Bashar al-Assad, "must go", drawing red lines about the use of chemical weapons then failing to enforce them.

Mr Assad is still there, with Russian backing that has allowed Vladimir Putin to impose his power on the region.

Mr Obama failed to deliver on his pledge of a two-state solution between Israelis and Palestinians.

Under Mr Obama, North Korea entrenched its status as a nuclear-armed state.

Mr Obama told the Australian Parliament America was "all in" in the Asia-Pacific, but his so-called pivot to Asia has done nothing to curb China's growing power and influence.

The United States has been the predominant power in our region since the end of World War II, yet China has been able to reclaim and militarise disputed islands in the South China Sea, raising fears of igniting a wider conflict.

China represents" rel="nofollow - a new model of power : economic liberalism and political control.

Xi is part of a global return of the political strongman.

China has been part of a return of big-power politics.

As political commentator Robert Kagan wrote in The Return of History and The End of Dreams: "Today, a new configuration of power is reshaping the international order."

In Easternisation: War and Peace in the Asian Century, journalist Gideon Rachman argues the West, more broadly, is in decline and Asia is filling the void.

"The political, strategic and ideological dominance of the West is now under challenge," he writes." rel="nofollow">Donald Trump" rel="nofollow -

Wielded well, US power helps many

Enter Donald Trump.

Mr Trump came to power rejecting multilateral trade deals, talking protectionism, banning migrants and building walls.

He has questioned US military pacts and accused allies of freeloading.

It must make Joseph Nye nervous. In The Paradox of American Power he warned: "Our desire to go it alone may ultimately weaken us."

But at the Davos global leaders meeting, Trump may have softened, America first, he said, does not mean America alone.

Mr Trump has shown how mercurial he can be, but taken at his word a more capacious American leadership is a good sign.

It would be far too premature to count America out." rel="nofollow">A man holds a flag showing an image of Donald Trump in front of the American flag with an explosion in the background." rel="nofollow - - Mr Trump may not be as popular with much of the world as he is with his supporters, but that doesn't mean the world does not need him. 

The United States is still the world's superpower, with the biggest economy and the most powerful military. It has enormous "soft power": the world watches its movies, listens to its music, carries its phones, works on its computers and wears its fashion.

American power has rightly been criticised at times as morally dubious and selective. It has been guilty of over reach and misadventure with disastrous consequences: The world is still dealing with the loss of life and upheaval from the war in Iraq.

But the history of the past half-century reminds us that American power, exercised effectively, is crucial.

It is American-backed regional security that has helped underwrite the rise of China.

Europe's idea of a post-nation future, has been possible because of its American security alliance.

As Mr Kagan wrote: "American power made it possible for Europeans to believe that power was no longer important."

Mr Trump may not be popular with much of the world, but that doesn't mean the world does not need him.

Right now, as he delivers his inaugural state of the union speech, he has an opportunity to remind the world just how important American power remains.

12 Monkeys...............
1995 ‧ Science fiction film/Thriller ‧ 2h 11m a must for AFT

Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: February 11 2018 at 3:21pm
Some of us never forgot.  But, make no mistake, allies need a certain level of mutual help to remain allies. 

There is a perception in much of the world that America is a "fair weather friend". 

They/you rescued us in Europe during the latter part of WWII.  But America entered the fray late and charged its friends for the help - Britain, for instance, has only just finished paying that debt.  - ...................  Don't get me started on "operation paperclip"!

The way the Vietnamese who helped the Americans in their civil war were abandoned to their fate is, frankly, shameful.

In more recent times, where the Middle East is concerned, the list is huge of conflicts left hanging - as soon as America thinks it got a reasonable deal.  I am often accused of being an Obamafile, but I blame him for his share of that shame.

Trump is simply doing publically, what his precedessors did covertly. 

I am by no means anti-American.  I applaud its ideals, its attempts at democracy (I say attempts, but that is no worse than any other country - mine included - and way better than most) and its efforts at justice (which can only be manufactured in tiny quantities, through gigantic efforts, by anyone).  I envy and admire its freedoms.  I love its written constitution.  I like a lot of American people.

My country needs America.  We are dependant upon it, like an aged and frail parent, alternately admiring and despairing in an exuberent child.  Listen to mummy, Darlings:  "Be carefull how many other children you anger.  You may be the biggest kid in the playground, but the wimpy kids could band together and that Chineese neighbour is going through a growth spurt.  ' Time to make a few reliable friends whom actually trust you."

Absence of proof is not proof of absence.

Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: February 11 2018 at 9:10pm
In my opinion Putin is the one "in charge"of the globe by the mix of diplomacy and weapons. If China wants a New Silk Road Russia is building that road. 

The US did believe the way to stay the only superpower was a military way. US cars were creating that much polution no other country (almost) allowed them. The US did not make TV screens, most of the electronics comes from East Asia. Trump does not improve relations with starting trade-wars. The petro-dollar is out-dated, for a fiat-currency trust is the main issue-in the US "trust in politics" "needs to be restored".

"US foreign policy has fallen short in several spheres" is like saying the Titanic had a good trip for as long as it lasted. 

Both the US and the EU failed after the end of the Soviet Union. The US keeps failing in dealing with "new global players" wich want to join the game. In my opinion the US only has one choice-deal with Russia and China, make trade, not war. US-Russia-China can make this world a better place for all humans when they invest in "third world countries" (we only have ONE world-not three !).

In reaction to Technophobe, we may need the US but we might have to do without the US for a while. Europe has to start standing on its own feet. (Europe is behaving like a 30 year old "child" complaining about the parents while failing to do its own job.)

We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
~Albert Einstein

Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: February 12 2018 at 3:37am
Originally posted by Dutch Josh Dutch Josh wrote:

In reaction to Technophobe, we may need the US but we might have to do without the US for a while. Europe has to start standing on its own feet. (Europe is behaving like a 30 year old "child" complaining about the parents while failing to do its own job.)

Absence of proof is not proof of absence.

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