The Coming of the Ice Age 2019
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Posted By: Medclinician
Subject: The Coming of the Ice Age 2019
Date Posted: December 29 2018 at 11:27am
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Despite continuous misinformation about global warming, we still are headed for another Ice Age in the next 20 years. Currently in the U.S. we are being hit by yet another Polar Vortex. Medclinician ------------- "not if but when" the original Medclinician |
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Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: December 29 2018 at 5:42pm
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An abnormal polar vortex is consistent with global warming. The science is difficult and complicated but fully understood - by the experts and most interested amateurs. I don't want to explain it, as it IS complicated, but will if asked. Over here temperatures are in + double figures. Usually they are sub-zero this time of year. Our 8 feet of snow has been replaced by green shoots and buds. FREAKY!! ------------- How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving. |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: December 30 2018 at 4:09am
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If climate change causes the "Global Conveyor,"to stop ,we could see an ice age within 10years of it stopping,it has happened before,and the resulting ice age lasted. 1000 years ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.đ Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: Medclinician
Date Posted: January 28 2019 at 5:26am
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As I predicted and many other scientists have backed up, we are on the very brink of at least a small Ice Age which could last a hundred years or more. I am still working on my book for 2019 - The Coming of the Ice Age and basically all the global warming crowd are badly mistaken. The icecaps are melting diluting our Gulf Stream and the decreased saline is cooling that at a deep level and that is what keeps the U.S. and Europe warm where they usually would be buried in snow and ice. The polar vortexes are a warning. All the emission control and attempts to lower C02 could not change things, if at all, more than a few degrees over hundreds of years. What we do need to do is figure out how to deal with a frozen northern America which shuts down New York, Chicago, and most of New England. The Ice Age is coming - and perhaps Mexico will be building a wall - not to keep people in - but to keep us from migrating by the millions south and demanding help. They have predicted temperatures as low as -60 with wind chill in parts of the U.S. within a few days - that is a reality. Ironic isn't it? J.B. Michaels - An Ice Age - with 20 years - not if - but when. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_xwj9bHZm4" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_xwj9bHZm4 ------------- "not if but when" the original Medclinician |
Posted By: Medclinician
Date Posted: January 30 2019 at 7:20am
It is -66 F in Chicago with many homeless who will not survive this.  CWN - Crystal World News - 7 a.m. 1-30-19 Brutal cold is hitting the U.S. with temperatures hitting as low as -66 F/ -54.4 C with the windchill factor in some areas of Chicago. Despite a political barrage of false information about global warming, the melting of the ice caps at a rapid rate is diluting the gulf stream upon which the northern U.S. and Europe rely on to keep their countries at a climate above the blasting arctic vortex hitting them now. This is no surprise. It has been known for more than a decade sun cycles and magnetic influence affect our weather. Such low solar activity has not been seen since the last mini ice age, called the Maunder Minimum, which plunged the northern hemisphere in particular into a series of bitterly cold winters between 1645 and 1715. During this the River Thames in London froze. The prediction is based on whatâs known as the Sunâs '11-year heartbeat'. The Sunâs magnetic activity is not the same year in year out, it fluctuates over a cycle that lasts between 10 and 12 years. Ever since this was discovered 172 years ago, scientists have struggled to predict what each cycle will look like. But just last week at the National Astronomy Meeting in Wales, mathematics professor Valentina Zharkova from Northumbria University in the UK has presented a new model that can forecast what these solar cycles will look like based on the dynamo effects at play in two layers of the Sun. Zharkova says she can predict their influence with an accuracy of 97 percent. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releasâŠ/2015/âŠ/150709092955.htm I have begun working on one of my new books The Coming of the Ice Age. J.B. Michaels / Medclinician Hundreds of flights have been cancelled an mail delivery stopped in 7 states - maybe more to come. There will be more polar vortexes coming and a mini-ice age soon and probably within the next 20-30 years ... not if - but when. ------------- "not if but when" the original Medclinician |
Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: January 30 2019 at 9:29am
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Really? http://www.avianflutalk.com/midwestern-us-due-polar-vortex_topic38766.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.avianflutalk.com/midwestern-us-due-polar-vortex_topic38766.html and more to the point: http://www.avianflutalk.com/edukation_topic38769_post275412.html?KW=#275412" rel="nofollow - http://www.avianflutalk.com/edukation_topic38769_post275412.html?KW=#275412 I don't mind you re-reporting information I have already posted (although I understand it is considered rude by some). I undertstand you either fail to understand the science or believe instead some of the 'fringe' stuff (very occasionally proven right, by the way - just look at Tesla, so that is ok too). I even get that you want to promote your book. But there has been a great deal posted on this subject here recently either reporting on this vortex or debunking the pseudoscience. So why now? Why this? The polar vortex BACKS UP global warming science. I previously explained how the science works (I think more than once) and only recently gave up then put it in kindergarden terminology. There is one of them here: http://www.avianflutalk.com/coming-of-the-ice-age-2015_topic33424_post251091.html?KW=jetstream#251091" rel="nofollow - http://www.avianflutalk.com/coming-of-the-ice-age-2015_topic33424_post251091.html?KW=jetstream#251091 Tesla's science was simply too advanced for the majority to understand and he was only interested in being of benefit to humanity. Valentina Zharkova on the other hand is still spouting debunked myths (more in keeping with Lamark, Reich and Papa Schimmelhorn than a genius before his time) https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2018/jan/09/the-imminent-mini-ice-age-myth-is-back-and-its-still-wrong" rel="nofollow - https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2018/jan/09/the-imminent-mini-ice-age-myth-is-back-and-its-still-wrong Our duty as members is to inform each other of threats to life and limb, not to continue repeating them until people stop reading the posts on our site, or using them as supposed 'proof' of clearly discredited theories. ------------- How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving. |
Posted By: WillobyBrat
Date Posted: January 30 2019 at 10:33am
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With all due respect to my wife's comments and the Guardian's (which is of course a fantastically brilliant source of scientific information sich). In my lifetime I have enjoyed the friendship, at different times, of some very learned and famous scientists. They ranged from physicists to biologists. All scientists are very learned and educated people, however, appart from a half dozen of such people in the history of our civilization, most are not renowned for the level of their IQ. Which is why we have the stupid arguements as to whether global warming is due to us burning coal and driving SUVs or the sun heating up - or little green men invading from outerspace. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Arrival_%281996_film%29" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Arrival_(1996_film) The fact is that we have had at least 8 ice-ages since life has been on this planet none of which have been caused by the sun, or (for the benefit of the disbelievers) secret American military personnel going back in time and driving tanks or flying helicopters around Egypt and persuading the Pharos to have pictures of them carved on the walls of the piramids. It appears, although the evidence is not complete, that the ice ages were caused by impacts by asteroids, errupting bassalt traps and other terrestrial upheavals. Minor events have occured at intervals of approximately 26 thousand years. These have produced minor ELE events. Now it is true to say that every ice age was preceded by global warming, but these were not sudden events (with the exception of the asteroid impacts) and there is no proof that one cased the other. Most interglacial periods lasted a few thousand years, as did the galatial ones. The warm ages certainly were not all caused by human beings as we have only been on this planet for approximately 300,00 years in our present form, and around 5M years in other varieties thereof, from neanderthalers to australopithicus. However, concerning the coming events, whether we heat up or cool down, which I have personally discussed with the late Fred Hoyle, Professor Nigel Holder and many others (I mention those 2 in particular as they were far more open minded and intellectually rounded than many of their peers, then and now.) in my opinion (for what it's worth) you should worry more about the rise in geological activity and both oceanic +sub-tundra gas releases (released by the rising temperatures) as these gasses will accelerate global warming far faster than anything the human race can achieve - short of setting off a few thousand hydrogen bombs. The only thing you can do to mitigate the circumstances is reduce carbon based fuel use and massively increase forestation. If we fail to do this and let things run, the only real alternative is to place your head betrween yowr knees and........................ ------------- I like Ike |
Posted By: Medclinician
Date Posted: January 30 2019 at 1:42pm
I have been reporting on this for years. I have personally spoken to some of the people, scientists involved in this, and these are far more than "spouting debunked myths". Medclinician: Although I have been busy today posting links for people to find shelter in Chicago who are homeless, I will go over what I have said and have covered. Putting up a new thread on something I have been following for years - well - that is up to you. https://mashable.com/2015/03/24/gulf-stream-slowdown-study-tipping-point/#SeOmWyyaDZqG The Northern Hemisphere winter of 2014-15 was the warmest on record globally, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. But if you look closely at global temperature maps, it becomes clear that one area of the North Atlantic conspicuously bucked the trend, as it has during many years since 1970. That region was, in fact, the coldest it has been since the dawn of instrument records, at up to 3.6 degrees Fahrenheit colder than average. According to a new study, this cold pool may be an indicator of a dramatic slowdown in the Gulf Stream, which transports vast amounts of heat north from the equator to the pole, passing off the East Coast of the U.S. and into the North Atlantic. http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2015/03/whats-going-on-in-the-north-atlantic/ Also in 2014 we again find a remarkable cold bubble over the northern Atlantic â as a look at the NASA website shows. 2014 was globally the warmest year on record, 1 °C warmer than the average for 1880-1920. But the subpolar Atlantic was 1-2 °C colder than that baseline. And even more recently, NOAA last week released the stunning temperature analysis for the past winter shown in Fig. 4. That winter was globally the warmest since records began in 1880. But in the subpolar North Atlantic, it was the coldest on record! That suggests the decline of the circulation has progressed even further now than we documented in the paper. comment: I have gigs of this stuff and a lot more I am pulling together. You are welcome to read the book when it comes out and you can meet me on it's Facebook page to continue the discussion. Who is putting out real fake news is the people about ready to make global warming into an industry, while we are going to see more and more cold weather. It is a lot more complex in view of recent discoveries within the last six months concerning the sun's sunspot activity and how the real reason for NASA going to the moon and Mars was largely to find evidence of a solar flare event which actually took part of the matter around the sun and shot it into space. They have found particles of a crystalline substance which would indicate this may have been what toasted Mars. It is good to be back and the book will be a lot of work. But besides just posting for 10 years I have more than 6 books out now and this one is long overdue. Medclinician - J.B. Michaels ------------- "not if but when" the original Medclinician |
Technophobe wrote:Posted By: Medclinician
Date Posted: January 30 2019 at 1:58pm
Thank you for posting. And yes we are in an Ice Age currently. By the way, an engineer told me the "put your head between your knees thing" just a few hours ago as he explained that we overdue for a magnetic pole flip. No, there is not a lot we can do. The tidal wave - would be more than 2 miles high and sweep across all of the U.S. Multiple eruptions along the plate edges and Hawaii would be toast in a few hours - would occur. The planet has always done this and you don't find dinosaurs or mastodons frozen standing up for no reason. Some type of massive sun discharge deposited material on one side of the planets close in - this would have to happen over hours - not even time for them to have a "day". It is true on Mars - it is true on the moon. I know that I am going to get static on this. Some people daring to question the global warming thing disappear. https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2009/10/09/stewards-10-myths-about-global-warming-and-co2-damage" rel="nofollow - C02 Myths on Global Warming From Steward's book and our interview, here are Steward's top 10 global warming "myths." Steward's Myth 1: The planet Earth will be healthier with lower CO2 levels. He says: More CO 2 is needed to bolster plant life, which turns the gas into oxygen while also providing food. Steward's Myth 2: Rising CO2 levels cause temperatures to rise. He says: Temperatures over time have fluctuated while CO 2 levels have remained steady. What's more, temperature increases have historically led increases in CO 2 levels. Steward's Myth 3: Sea levels will rise 20 feet by the end of the century. He says: The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change predicts only a 17-inch rise, and "most climatologists predict a rise of only 7 or 8 inches." Steward's Myth 4: Scientists unanimously say that CO2 caused by humans is the dominant cause of global warming. He says: Not so. "Many, many reputable scientists believe that natural factors overpower the current influence of CO 2 on global warming." Steward's Myth 5: The United States is the largest contributor of human-caused CO2. He says: China, which has no CO 2 restrictions, has recently exceeded the United States. Plus, it is "opening a new coal-fired power plant every week, and its production of automobiles is growing at a much more rapid rate." Steward's Myth 6: Storms are more frequent and intense because of global warming. He says: "According to the National Hurricane Center, storms are no more intense or frequent worldwide than they have been since 1850. Temperatures were high in the 1920s and 1930s when there was much less CO 2 in the atmosphere. Constant 24-7 media coverage of every significant storm worldwide just makes it seem that way. Insist on the facts, not just what some individuals or reporters say to support their cause." Steward's Myth 7: Polar bears will go extinct if this warm period continues through the 21st century. He says: "A jawbone of a polar bear has been found that is 120,000 years old, a time during the previous interglacial when temperatures were 5 degrees Celsius warmer and sea level 19 feet higher than today. They adapted then; why not now?" Steward's Myth 8: CO2 is a pollutant. He says: "CO 2 is a great airborne fertilizer, which, as its concentrations rise, causes additional plant growth and causes plants to need less water." Steward's Myth 9: As Earth warms, the climate will become much drier and windier. He says: Ice cores prove the opposite. The colder times were both windier and drier. Steward's Myth 10: Higher levels of CO2 than the current 385 parts per million in the atmosphere are harmful to humans. He says: The warning level of CO 2 in submarines isn't reached until the atmosphere has 8,000 parts per million of CO 2. So who is Steward? Below is the biography he supplied. H. Leighton Steward Leighton Steward is a geologist, environmentalist, author, and retired energy industry executive. He has written about the reasons for the loss of much of the Mississippi River Delta (Louisiana's national treasure) and has given advice on how the nation can achieve "no net loss" of wetlands in the future, advice that has been accepted by the Environmental Protection Agency and the Army Corps of Engineers. He was lead author on a book about nutrition and health ( Sugar Busters) that gave advice on how to lose weight and prevent and or treat diabetes. The book became a No. 1 New York Times bestseller for 16 weeks and made a significant contribution to the changes that have occurred regarding the availability of no-sugar-added, higher fiber, and low-glycemic products in the supermarkets. More recently, Steward has written a book ( Fire, Ice and Paradise) that is an endeavor to educate the nonscientist about the many causes of global climate change so that readers will be better prepared to understand what they hear, see, and read about in the media and from the politicians. He has received numerous environmental awards, including the regional EPA Administrator's Award for environmental excellence. He is chairman of the board of the Institute for the Study of Earth and Man at Southern Methodist University, was chairman of the National Wetlands Coalition, and was twice chairman of the Audubon Nature Institute. He currently serves on the boards or boards of visitors of the M. D. Anderson Cancer Center, EOG Resources, the Buffalo Bill Historical Center, and the Southwest Research Institute and is an emeritus member of the Tulane University board. His current interest lies in helping to educate the public and politicians about the benefits of carbon dioxide (CO 2) as it relates to the plant and animal kingdoms and their related ecosystems and habitats and to the general health of humanity. Do you agree with Steward or with Al Gore? Weigh in below with your comments. comment: This is only the tip of the Ice Age Iceberg... Med ------------- "not if but when" the original Medclinician |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: January 30 2019 at 2:00pm
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here here WillobyBrat , you do omit the Pandemic option, as for an Ice Age , greenland is melting, this could cause the "Global Conveyer" to stop ....... Image result for global conveyorenviroliteracy.org The global ocean conveyor belt is a constantly moving system of deep-ocean circulation driven by temperature and salinity. The great ocean conveyor moves water around the globe. The ocean is not a still body of water.Jun 25, 2018 What is the global ocean conveyor belt? https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/conveyor.html" rel="nofollow - https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/conveyor.html ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.đ Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: January 30 2019 at 3:25pm
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Debunked is debunked, Med. You are as entitled to your beliefs as anyone, but I seriously disagree on the science. I read the fringe stuff too; Nexus is my favourite magazine. But reading this stuff is one thing, believing it another entirely. As to the conveyor, it has already slowed. Mother nature however is a stubborn cow. Systems automatically descend towards equillibrium, all systems, even climate. If one source of heat transference fails, another will take over. Europe and the Eastern US may chill slightly for a decade or so, till the heat dam breaks, but this is unlikely to do more than buy us lucky ones a few extra years before baking with the rest. There is (despite the mainstream view) a soupcon of a chance the system could flip into a galatial period, but no sensible person would bet on those odds. You could be on to something with the magnetic pole flip. The top scientists are mostly guessing the next step for that one. All their projections for the destination of the pole year by year are way off, so the mathematical models must be flawed. ------------- How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving. |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: February 01 2019 at 2:33am
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https://mol.im/a/6654619" rel="nofollow - https://mol.im/a/6654619 ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.đ Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: Medclinician
Date Posted: February 11 2019 at 5:45am
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My belief is we are on the verge of an Ice Age. Daily people are talking to me from Canada and in cities that are in bad shape from this. Even in the Sierras we save 8 feet of snow in 24 hours. This is not a bunch of crazy people with conspiracy theories. The Gulf Stream is messed up and it has nothing to do with C02. We are seeing the effects of a solar cycle which is effecting the earth and I am following through with a book on this. I will not be popular. Too many people have hitched their wagons to the global warming hysteria. What is keeping people alive in many of the hard hit areas if fossil fuel - coal and oil. Place where the wind is crazy and there is little sunlight cannot use clean energy - they must stay alive as well as using heat to keep work places going. We have save the whale people 30 years behind the time. People will come out and write books soon copying my ideas and even the name of my book. I will get mine out in time and after all.. I am a decent author. Temperatures are dropping even here next to the ocean and we may see snow yet where there hasn't been snow in 50 years. The Coming of the Ice Age - maybe a short one- 20 - 100 years but soon and it would shut down most of New England, Chicago, and the northern United States. It is happening. Medclinician - J.B. Michaels - not if but when (all of my posted videos will no longer play on AvianFluTalk for the first time in ten years) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EakURLxYow" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EakURLxYow ------------- "not if but when" the original Medclinician |
Posted By: Medclinician
Date Posted: February 16 2019 at 7:47am
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We are in one of the worst storms in California history and my friends in Canada are freezing. There is some reporting in the mainstream about savage snow which made Nancy Pelosi's plane have to return unable to land on the way to a funeral of the longest member of congress to ever serve. The Ice Age is coming. There is very little mention by the Global Warming messiahs as they try to take away our jets, our cars, and our fossil fuels which is now keeping many people alive northern America. The word vortex is now eliminated from most media reports. [URL=https://usanewssite.com/world/lawmakers-honor-dingell-at-30k-feet-after-plane-turns-back/%5d%5d%5d]https://usanewssite.com/world/lawmakers-honor-dingell-at-30k-feet-after-plane-turns-back/%5d%5d][/URL] https://usanewssite.com/world/lawmakers-honor-dingell-at-30k-feet-after-plane-turns-back/" rel="nofollow - https://usanewssite.com/world/lawmakers-honor-dingell-at-30k-feet-after-plane-turns-back/ My cousin in Sierra, the skeptic of all skeptics and an engineer and CEO of a computer company said to me yesterday as snow continued to pile up outside "John, the ice age is here." Stay tuned. Medclinician - not if but when (Pandemic prediction 2008 of the 2009 Flu Pandemic) ------------- "not if but when" the original Medclinician |
Posted By: EdwinSm,
Date Posted: February 16 2019 at 10:15pm
meanwhile things are moving in the opposite direction:
%20" rel="nofollow - https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/less_snow_cover_shorter_winters_in_finland_since_1960s/10646324 Our children when they come to visit at Christmas time often miss out on the snow. |
Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: February 17 2019 at 4:05am
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Currently we are having yet another unseasonably warm spell over here, all over Scandanavia and the summer heat in Australia is breaking records and hearts. OK, so North America is having an unusually cold spell. It is simply the unlucky one at the moment. Over the whole world the trend is warmer. Hot air and hot water move faster. This creates vortices (eddy currents in a loop) and one of these dragged some cold air down from the Arctic onto the folks in the USA. It took heat up to the Arctic in exchange. To make the effects of this vortex worse, larger continental masses are more vulnerable to the effects of such things than islands and smaller land masses. The sea acts as an hot water bottle in winter and a cold one in summer. 'The Day After Tomorrow' was just a film, Med. There is a 'global warming can trigger an ice age' hypothesis around, but in scientific circles its accuracy is considered far less likely than a lottery win, it even raises a few sniggers. It does not qualify for the title of 'A Theory'; an hypothesis has to be widely accepted among scientists and/or intellectuals to be classed as one of those. This isn't! (I do buy a lottery ticket though when there is a double rollover or more, you never know.) If you want to stop the extreme weather from increasing, join the climate change activists. It is probably too late to do anything now but it is worth a try. ------------- How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving. |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: February 17 2019 at 2:09pm
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https://cosmosmagazine.com/climate/1200-year-mini-ice-age-was-caused-by-global-warming" rel="nofollow - https://cosmosmagazine.com/climate/1200-year-mini-ice-age-was-caused-by-global-warming ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.đ Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: February 17 2019 at 2:12pm
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https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/gulf-stream-ice-age-collapse-climate-change-amoc-global-warming-a8301511.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/gulf-stream-ice-age-collapse-climate-change-amoc-global-warming-a8301511.html ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.đ Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: February 17 2019 at 3:28pm
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[To quote the last of those articles:] Though Amoc may contribute to a slight dip in temperatures, he added this should not be seen as some kind of antidote for human-induced global warming. "The most likely scenario is that the Northern Hemisphere and the UK will continue to warm," he said. [They also mentioned how unlikely the cooling senario is. In other words, there is a slight risk of a small localised cooling. Physics and chemistry have revealed the three laws of thermodynamics (or four if you follow more recent stuff). The first law states that energy cannot be created or destroyed. This is not a law you can appeal; it is absolute. The energy from the sun is absorbed by the Earth and radiated out into space again. The only things that can change the amount of heat here on Earth, are increasing or decreasing absorbtion of solar radiation, or increasing or decreasing the loss of heat into space (as we are not able to influence the sun - yet). CO2 is a very efficient blanket. Heat in = heat out, means equillibrium. Heat in > heat out, means temperature increase. All other effects (like the polar vortices) are simply local phenomena.] ------------- How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving. |
Posted By: Yeung
Date Posted: February 18 2019 at 3:56am
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Wasn't the Earth warmer 2 degrees on average a mere 100 years ago by the way? |
Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: February 18 2019 at 11:18am
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No. Averaged over all land and ocean surfaces, temperatures have warmed roughly 1.33°F (0.74ÂșC) over the last century, according to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (see page 2 of the IPCC's Climate Change 2007: Synthesis Report Summary for Policymakers (PDF)). More than half of this warmingâabout 0.72°F (0.4°C)âhas occurred since 1979. Because oceans tend to warm and cool more slowly than land areas, continents have warmed the most (about 1.26°F or 0.7ÂșC since 1979), especially over the Northern Hemisphere. Source: https://globalclimate.ucr.edu/resources.html#q3" rel="nofollow - https://globalclimate.ucr.edu/resources.html#q3 ------------- How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving. |
Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: February 18 2019 at 11:35am
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In fact, the whole site at https://globalclimate.ucr.edu/index.html" rel="nofollow - https://globalclimate.ucr.edu/index.html , which is a colaboration between NASA and the University of California, is well worth a visit. Pertinent to this whole thread, it debunks several myths about climate change such as: The difference between climate and weather: https://globalclimate.ucr.edu/resources.html#q1" rel="nofollow - https://globalclimate.ucr.edu/resources.html#q1 which seems to be completely misunderstood on this thread, The fact that the majority of scientists accept man-made-global-warming as a fact and only debate a few fine details: https://globalclimate.ucr.edu/resources.html#q8" rel="nofollow - https://globalclimate.ucr.edu/resources.html#q8 also either ignored or disbelieved on this thread, 'And, of course, The whole explanation of the way it happens: https://globalclimate.ucr.edu/resources.html#q2" rel="nofollow - https://globalclimate.ucr.edu/resources.html#q2 . No one is guilty of having a poor education; the only guilt comes from not trying to rectify that situation. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NASA has some more information for the interested here: https://climate.nasa.gov/effects/" rel="nofollow - https://climate.nasa.gov/effects/ but even though that is fascinating, it does not explain the connection between climate change and the recent polar vortex. So, here is another scientifically respected site to explain things: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/01/180112091209.htm" rel="nofollow - https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/01/180112091209.htm Belief is irrelevant, this is scientific consensus. True, the cutting edge of science can sometimes be found in the fringe, but for every Tessla there are a thousand reincarnations of Napoleon. Most real science just plods slowly along. ------------- How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving. |
Posted By: jacksdad
Date Posted: February 22 2019 at 3:35am
No links to articles to back that up? ------------- "Buy it cheap. Stack it deep" "Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary. |
Posted By: jacksdad
Date Posted: February 22 2019 at 3:39am
Exactly. We keep hearing of emerging technologies that might be able to sequester atmospheric CO2, and everyone's still missing the point - we already have trees that will do just that. How do people think carbon ended up in the ground in the first place? ------------- "Buy it cheap. Stack it deep" "Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary. |
Posted By: jacksdad
Date Posted: February 22 2019 at 4:04am
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Steward is hardly the guy I'd go to for environmental advice. He's one of a number of crazies that are trying to promote rising CO2 levels as a good thing. Here's his resume, by the way, Chief exploration operations, Shell Oil Corporation, Houston, 1977-1979; vice president energy and minerals, Burlington Northern Inc., Billings, Montana, 1979-1981; executive vice president, chief operations office, Kilroy Company of Texas, Houston, 1981-1982; senior vice president, then executive vice president, Louisiana Land & Exploration Company, New Orleans, 1982-1984; president, chief operating officer, Louisiana Land & Exploration Company, New Orleans, 1984-1988; chairman Chief Executive Officer, Louisiana Land & Exploration Company, New Orleans, since 1989. Chairman LL&E Petroleum Marketing Inc., LL&E Pipeline Corporation, LL&E (United Kingdom) Inc. ------------- "Buy it cheap. Stack it deep" "Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary. |
Posted By: CRS, DrPH
Date Posted: February 22 2019 at 4:18am
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To all....I am enjoying reading every post, thank you! I recently moved from the Chicago, Illinois USA region to Arizona. When we left Chicago, the temperature the night before we left was -23ÂșF (-30ÂșC), which was a record for my own suburb of Aurora, Illinois! Parts of Illinois were colder than Point Barrow, Alaska or regions of the Antarctic! It was grim moving. One thing that throws everyone off is the sheer scale of the situation....we are dealing with a planetary scale, something that we rarely have to deal with in our everyday lives. Earth is impacted by our own dumping of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere (yes, they trap heat and no, they are NOT good "plant food"). This is compounded by a lull in solar activity, which has been linked in the past to minima such as the Maunder Minimum. What the heck is going on? There are a number of factors that combined, result in what we now call "climate disruption" - a) the planet is still coming out of its previous major ice age, which takes millennia. Chicago used to be covered by over 1 mile of ice sheet, which is a staggering thought....our Great Lakes in the USA (Michigan, Superior etc.) are the result of the retreat of this massive ice sheet. b) our planet is impacted by cosmic radiation, which causes cloud nuclei to form and results in cloudier skies. Clouds are extremely complex and hard to model - they both reflect sunlight as albedo, cooling the planet, but can also trap heat. The Danish astronomer Svensmark has written about "the chilling stars," please seek these readings out online, they are very controversial but fascinating reading! c) There is a theory called "Milankovitch cycles" which states that long-term climate change is partly the result of orbital variation of the Earth in relation to the sun. Please see: http://academic.emporia.edu/aberjame/student/howard2/theory.htm d) On top of all of this, the Earth's position in the galaxy may be a factor!! Our solar system moves throughout our galaxy (Milky Way), and this causes variation in the amount of cosmic radiation impacting out atmosphere, resulting in variation in cloudiness (Svensmark). However, it is a controversial (and fascinating) theory: https://physicsworld.com/a/galactic-link-to-climate-change-in-doubt/ SUMMARY: We are dealing with a massive planetary system, going through many changes on a relatively short time frame. There is some regional heating and cooling observed, but overall, the mean temperature of the planet notches upward ever higher. There are some winners and losers in a global warming scenario, but overall, it appears that many/most of us will be losers. Greetings from "warm and sunny" Arizona USA!! https://kvoa.com/weather/2019/02/21/storm-of-the-century-historic-snowfall-in-the-cards-for-mount-lemmon/ TUCSON â A strong area of low-pressure west of Las Vegas will slide to the southeast Thursday evening and hammer southeastern Arizona with a heavy dose of winter. http://academic.emporia.edu/aberjame/student/howard2/theory.htm" rel="nofollow - http://academic.emporia.edu/aberjame/student/howard2/theory.htm https://physicsworld.com/a/galactic-link-to-climate-change-in-doubt/" rel="nofollow - https://physicsworld.com/a/galactic-link-to-climate-change-in-doubt/ https://kvoa.com/weather/2019/02/21/storm-of-the-century-historic-snowfall-in-the-cards-for-mount-lemmon/" rel="nofollow - https://kvoa.com/weather/2019/02/21/storm-of-the-century-historic-snowfall-in-the-cards-for-mount-lemmon/ ------------- CRS, DrPH |
Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: February 22 2019 at 6:52am
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Thanks Chuck! You reminded me of one of the points I meant to make before; I must be getting senile. CO2 as 'plant food' CO2 is a waste product of respiration (breathing) which ALL life does, from the smallest bacterium to the giant blue whale. Even those life forms which do not use oxygen (like yeast) produce it (that is why the 'home brew' bubbles). Too much poisons and kills ALL life. When they are photosynthesising, plants use CO2 and release oxygen. But they do not release all the oxygen made, or get all their CO2 from the atmosphere; some of it comes from their own respiration. In the dark there is only respiration, because CO2 is a poison to them too. That is why you get tree die-offs around hot springs with CO2 vents. All plants except unicellular ones breathe through tiny pores on their leaves called stomatophores. They use these to take in CO2 in sunlight too. As CO2 levels rise, plants cut down the number of these pores on each leaf, BECAUSE OTHERWISE THE RAISED CO2 LEVELS WOULD SICKEN OR KILL THEM. This can actually SLOW DOWN photosynthesis. Some CO2 is necessary, too much is very bad. Many plant species are already showing a significant statistical reduction in the number of stomatophores per leaf. So, even if you insist on misunderstanding CO2 as a food, they are dying from gluttonus indegestion already. My silviculturist Hubby informs me that this poisoning weakens the plant (especially if it is a tree) and can make them vulnerable to other attacks like fungi and insects. This is happening now and worsening. Beech trees are particularily vulnerable as are olives and elms. The last of those species are now critically endangered; when I was a child, they were common. ------------- How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving. |
Posted By: jacksdad
Date Posted: February 23 2019 at 2:40pm
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The recent polar vortex we've been experiencing is precisely because of global warming. It's believed that unusually high temperatures in the arctic have allowed areas of ocean that were normally covered by sea ice to release stored energy, disrupting the localized rotational flow of cold stratospheric air and driving it much further south than normal. It's not an indicator of an impending ice age - it's the result of a warming climate, initially driven by out of control CO2 emissions, and now augmented by water vapor and methane. ------------- "Buy it cheap. Stack it deep" "Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary. |
Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: February 23 2019 at 2:55pm
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'And it has its winners too: The temperature here in February is usually anywhere from -5*C to -25*C. Today it was +14*C ------------- How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving. |
Posted By: jacksdad
Date Posted: February 23 2019 at 3:03pm
We've had horrible weather in San Diego - a stretch of the 8 freeway a few miles east was actually closed because of black ice and snow, which is unheard of here. We even had a few hail storms a few days ago - enough to leave a layer on the ground that made walking tricky, and big enough to hurt  For the first time since I moved here 27 years ago, I have views of the local mountains covered with snow on my morning commute. And we've had so much rain in the past few weeks that severely drought stricken areas are already approaching normal annual rainfall. On the plus side, the desert is blooming, and we finally have clear blue skies today. Still awful chilly at night, but at least it's dry. ------------- "Buy it cheap. Stack it deep" "Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary. |
Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: February 23 2019 at 3:51pm
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Look on the bright side. The cold kills all sorts of nasties: biting, stinging and food-crop eating ones. ------------- How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving. |
Posted By: Medclinician
Date Posted: February 25 2019 at 8:12am
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The Coming of the Ice Age by J.B. Michaels For years I have been posting about the complete inaccuracy of the mythological global warming which would make it warmer in the U.S. and Europe. This is false. The melting of the Ice caps has diluted our Gulf Stream lessening the warming effect it has upon America and Europe. Also the Sun's activity is at an all time low - ever more so then its normal cycles - which are bringing about a period of cold which may last a hundred years. The reason we are no longer in agreements which would not even effect China or many of the major producers of C02 is that a rise in C02 is actually causing plants to thrive and whatever measure we took would only effect the climate by a few degrees for centuries. A mini-ice age is coming - and my friends in Canada daily tell me it has never been this bad in their life - with temperatures continuing to drop. They must heat their car motors for them even to start and we are seeing a devastating effect in the Great Lakes and East as Ice Tsunamis hit. Of course it is beyond crazy to call for an end of the use of fossil fuels. For the first time in years, the U.S. is a major, the major exporter of oil, and as we are hit with this, it is coal that is keeping many people alive. Get a clue. Many politicians are only interested in power, and could care less about racism, sexual preference, violence, poverty,or real issues - especially climate. Cold is like a virus - it doesn't care who it hurts, how it shuts down airports or ruins the cell ability of electric cars like Tesla. Jack Webb, Dragnet said "Just the facts, ma'am." The modern techno and economy illiterate newbie congress people now say "don't confuse me with the facts. I just go by my feelings - reality be damned. If it feels good - do it and if it feels bad destroy it." So most of our national holidays have been ruined and most of the ideas and morality American was based on destroyed. And God - is an embarrassing word they still can't get off our money, the family and the institution of marriage, failing. The road to socialism would lead to economic chaos and America, finally to the joy of our enemies and billionaires financing a revolution, would become Third World and never be great again. John Bell - Medclinician - "not if, but when" It is snowing in Hawaii ------------- "not if but when" the original Medclinician |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: February 25 2019 at 1:37pm
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so adding 5.5 billion people to this planet over the last 150 years, plus adding all the CO2 from Cars ,Boats and Planes that has been stored for billions of years,in the form of COAL, OIL and GAS has done Nothing to alter the the chemical balance of this planet, you have to have your chemical balances in your Head checked to believe that this hasnt had an effect on this planet, https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwi7u_Db6NfgAhUCcCsKHaiYA2gQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=http%3A%2F%2Fglobalchange.uw.edu%2Fclimate-change-and-health%2F&psig=AOvVaw32uVR0SgF-10lPIPQ_VnEQ&ust=1551216104944992" rel="nofollow - https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwi7u_Db6NfgAhUCcCsKHaiYA2gQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=http%3A%2F%2Fglobalchange.uw.edu%2Fclimate-change-and-health%2F&psig=AOvVaw32uVR0SgF-10lPIPQ_VnEQ&ust=1551216104944992 ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.đ Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: February 25 2019 at 1:43pm
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Beyond crazy is confusing local with global, weather with climate and science with faith. Then again, what do I know? I'm just a woman after all. (I have a science background and an IQ in the top 2 or 3% of the world's population. I confess my science training was not in climate, but the physical chemistry tallies with current climate models, as does the mathematical modelling.) I know the US is experiencing exceptionally cold weather at the moment, but the US is only 9.834 million square kilometers in area: whereas the earth's surgace is 510.1 million square kilometers in area. That means that the US is just under 1.93% of the Earth's surface. The local cold is very nasty but hardly proof of Global cooling. Over here and across Scandanavia we are breaking temperature records for February, as is Australia, The poles are even more unusually warm. Beyond crazy also describes Trump's total lack of scientific acceptance. Sadly, he will probably have finished his term(s) before this one comes back to haunt you. The world is in big trouble, but with rising temperatures not falling ones. It is probably too late to stop it now but we have to try, or die before trying. I want my children to have a future. This might be a hazard encountered by all technological civilizations. That would explain why, despite the Drake equations, CETI has only heard one signal and that unrepeated. Quoted References: https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=us+land+area" rel="nofollow - https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=us+land+area , https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=earths+surface+area" rel="nofollow - https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=earth%27s+surface+area , https://www.accuweather.com/en/aq/amundsen-scott-south-pole-station/2258520/february-weather/2258520" rel="nofollow - https://www.accuweather.com/en/aq/amundsen-scott-south-pole-station/2258520/february-weather/2258520 and https://www.accuweather.com/en/us/north-pole-ak/99705/february-weather/336714" rel="nofollow - https://www.accuweather.com/en/us/north-pole-ak/99705/february-weather/336714 ------------- How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving. |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: February 25 2019 at 1:46pm
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so far we here in Perth have had the MILDEST summer i can remember in the 30 years i have been here, the rest of Australia has had and is still having Drought,Floods, Extreme heat, my brother in law in Queensland is having to have Water carried in to fill his water tank ,No rain....... ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.đ Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: February 25 2019 at 1:51pm
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a lesson in Coal production...... Coal was Made........ 300 million years ago Most of the coal we use now was formed about 300 million years ago, when much of the earth was covered by steamy swamps. As plants and trees died, their remains sank to the bottom of the swampy areas, making layers and layers of plant material and eventually forming a soggy, thick material called PEAT. ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.đ Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: February 25 2019 at 1:54pm
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a lesson in Oil production..... Crude oil was made over millions of years from tiny plants and animals, called plankton. The plankton on the left would form oil in about 150 million years time if the sea bed is not disturbed. The plankton that lived in the Jurassic period made our crude oil. This was the time of the dinosaurs. Origins of oil - School Science resources.schoolscience.co.uk/ExxonMobil/infobank/4/origin.html ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.đ Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: February 25 2019 at 1:56pm
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a lesson in Gas production..... How long does it take for natural gas to form? Like oil, natural gas is a product of decomposed organic matter, typically from ancient marine microorganisms, deposited over the past 550 million years. ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.đ Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: February 25 2019 at 1:58pm
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and we are burning this "STUFF " OVERNIGHT ....... IN GEOLOGICAL TERMS.................. ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.đ Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: February 25 2019 at 2:08pm
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In a word, Carbon, INSANITY, but not as nuts as ignoiring the science. Using the fossil stuff when we did not know what it was doing made sense. Refusing to believe the science does not. ------------- How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving. |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: February 25 2019 at 4:11pm
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Imagine the Earth as a spaceship with it's exhaust system plugged into the Air supply..... Coz that's what we have, We need to vent the CO2 into Space..... ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.đ Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: February 25 2019 at 7:21pm
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SBS News: Evidence for man-made global warming hits 'gold standard' according to scientists. https://www.sbs.com.au/news/evidence-for-man-made-global-warming-hits-gold-standard-according-to-scientists" rel="nofollow - https://www.sbs.com.au/news/evidence-for-man-made-global-warming-hits-gold-standard-according-to-scientists ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.đ Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: February 25 2019 at 9:43pm
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Oh-I get so tired of this....here in the Netherlands today we may get close to 20C-65F-in february ! All longer term statistics indicate the opposite of an ice-age ! In geological terms we most likely could expect a "colder period" wich makes the fact that we do not have that "cold" even (far) worse ! https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/Wutip-Hits-160-mph-First-Category-5-Typhoon-Ever-Recorded-February" rel="nofollow - https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/Wutip-Hits-160-mph-First-Category-5-Typhoon-Ever-Recorded-February https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10217739033325082&set=a.1873759521225&type=3&theater" rel="nofollow - https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10217739033325082&set=a.1873759521225&type=3&theater ------------- We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them. ~Albert Einstein |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: February 26 2019 at 5:14am
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https://skepticalscience.com/print.php?r=448" rel="nofollow - https://skepticalscience.com/print.php?r=448 ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.đ Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: February 26 2019 at 5:55am
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Oh and another thing, Med, no one is suggesting that the people experiencing a big freeze have to stop heating their homes. How stupid do you think we are?* The suggestion is that over a few years the METHOD of heating their houses needs to change. The alternative is more of the same and worse too. â :: :: *Oh I forgot, I am female my brain must overheat. (((  ))) ------------- How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving. |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: February 26 2019 at 3:24pm
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My grandma,never had heating only a small gas fire in the one downstair room she had it had three bedrooms outside toilet, She was always layered up with the handknitted jumpers she knitted... No central heating for the 55 years she lived in that house.... Moral of story......we have become a very "weak species".... ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.đ Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: February 26 2019 at 3:36pm
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By the way: Yesterday we broke all records for temperature in Winter. We broke that record today. Nice, but scary! ------------- How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving. |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: February 26 2019 at 3:43pm
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NEWS.com.au: NASA scientist finds massive Iceberg about break off Antarctic ice shelf. https://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/natural-wonders/concerns-iceberg-twice-the-size-of-new-york-city-is-about-to-break-off-from-antarctica/news-story/b235c62c9a754abe4f2f2568b419169a" rel="nofollow - https://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/natural-wonders/concerns-iceberg-twice-the-size-of-new-york-city-is-about-to-break-off-from-antarctica/news-story/b235c62c9a754abe4f2f2568b419169a ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.đ Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: February 26 2019 at 3:44pm
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BBC News - Climate change: Ban gas grid for new homes 'in six years' http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-47306766" rel="nofollow - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-47306766 ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.đ Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: Medclinician
Date Posted: March 01 2019 at 8:37am
First off, what is happening for you in Australia has nothing to do with what is going to happen with the dilution of the Gulf stream here in America and in Europe. That was the theme of The Day After Tomorrow which was more than just a film. It was scientific reality of a phenomena which is effecting us. Don't feel so smug and warm in Australia. We are also headed for a pole shift which may very likely make the new Antarctica. You know there are sediment containing jungle at the South Pole and Australia was once not vast desert. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/02/antarctica-was-once-a-rai_n_1733597.html" rel="nofollow - Anarctica once an ocean Our research shows that before about 50,000 years ago, much of Australiaâs interior was a very different place to the scatter of salt-crusted lakes and sand ridges seen today. By analysing ancient shorelines fringing Lake Eyre and Lake Frome, two of Australiaâs largest inland lakes, we found evidence of a âtime of plentyâ, when perennial inland rivers fed huge, permanent mega-lakes. The scene probably featured more vegetation than today, large herbivores and diverse aquatic ecosystems spanning hundreds of kilometres of teeming estuaries and rivers. Lake Eyre itself stood 25 m deep and with a volume of some 380 cubic kilometres (roughly 700 Sydney Harbours). These inland mega-lakes were fed by big rivers such as Cooper Creekand the Diamantina River, which pumped large volumes of water into the continental interior every year to fill the lakes to the levels shown by the position of their ancient beaches. Mega-Lake Eyre held roughly ten times the water volume achievable under todayâs wettest climate, and if present now would rank among the ten largest lakes (in area) on Earth. So... I notice they have changed the terminology to "climate change" from "global warming". This is because now they are covered when things go Ice Age in America and Europe. This whole warming thing is a very carefully orchestrated big money thing which has been pushed so much by the Democrats to try and shut down our coal and oil - which are competing with Russia and even the Middle East, they are impervious to the real cause effecting our climate electromagnetic energy from the sun. Let me put it to you, and what will be in my book - in 30 seconds. Get a small magnetic and a paper clip. Hold the magnet one inch from the paper clip. In an instant you over come the entire gravitation force of earth and it's mass with half inch magnetic. The force of gravity which they have been preaching effects us all from all the planets nad so forth is nothing compared to effect of the Sun's electromagnetic fields. In fact, frequently in history we have had micro-novas on our own sun. We can prove this by the existence of crystals formed on planetary surfaces and the main mission to the moon was to look for evidence of this. And they found them. Is my data current? Sure is. https://watchers.news/2019/01/22/earth-catastrophe-cycle-solar-micronova-3/%20" rel="nofollow - Micronovas influence on Climate "It would be the most dynamic coronal mass ejection in modern history, recreating its spectrum through plasma interaction as it expands and cools. The shockwave has the chance to be the two in a one-two punch." February 05, 2019 Earth Catastrophe Cycle: Dig In Dig in... or don't... you might survive anyway. This is episode 16 of Ben Davidson's Earth Catastrophe Cycle - Dig in. Episode 15 was the first episode in the series to deal with surviving the catastrophe unleashed by our Sun going micronova. In this... February 07, 2019 Earth Catastrophe Cycle: Pole shift Here's another excellent video by Ben Davidson... part 9 of Earth Catastrophe Cycle - Pole shift. Solar flares are already known to change the Earth's rotation, now imagine one 100 to 1 000 times larger than what is known. How does the crust unlock from the... January 15, 2019 Earth Catastrophe Cycle: Plasma formations Plasma formations are the key to understanding ancient accounts of the catastrophe, to understanding what could happen in the future, and to monitoring for signs of its coming. comment: No doubt this has happened before and also we nearing our 11 year old Sun Cycle but there is another cycle which happens every 400 years. Since they have only been measuring this for a little more than 400 years we need to develop a new method of testing these crystal for evidence - am working on that. Could we survive this? Well - apparently we have already survived several but I would not want to be in Australia on a clear blue sky when it hits. jb - Medclinician ------------- "not if but when" the original Medclinician |
Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: March 01 2019 at 4:04pm
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For God's sake think, Med! There was no gulf stream, or even a gulf to have a stream, in the early carboniferous. Even the output of the sun was microscopically less than it is now. Yet the temperatures were considerably higher. Why? Because the carbon which went on to form the fossil fuel layer was not yet laid down. We are releasing that carbon once again and the temperatures over the whole Earth are rising. Hot air moves faster. This creates eddies. The warming of the Poles is disrupting the flow of the jetstream. A series of unfortunate eddies and a kink in the jetstream are making North America temporarily cold. By the way neither of your links work for me. The first is unavailable in Europe and the second is page not found. Yes, the thermohaline current is weakening. Yes, the thermohaline carries warm water past the coasts of the Eastern United states and Western Europe. But it cools the Pacific at the same time and is not the only method the world uses to redistribute its heat. As the water currents weaken, the wind strengthens. Simple physics! We could get a lengthy cold snap in the Atlantic, but it would be A, temporary, B, local and C, driven by the overall warming if it happens at all which is in dispute among all but the looniest fringes of science. As an additional point, if the current cold was caused by said current weakening, the Eastern United States would be colder and the Midwest warmer. Your paperclip argument is specious. The strength of magnetic effects and gravitic effects are not generically comparable. They are specific. Strength of local gravity and strength of applied magnetism effect the result. Also simple physics! Magnetic effects of the sun might elicit a shift of magnetic poles, but to suggest that this could change the planet's rotation or orbit or anything else gravitic is ludicrous! A coronal mass ejection is always a possibility and would undoubtedly be catastrophic, but has no bearing on current global warming or cooling. As a couple of points of interest: The sun's surface is composed of plasma and the last coronal mass ejection which hit the Earth (The Carrington Event) had a huge effect on electrical systems, but no significant effect on climate. Antartica is a landmass underneath the ice. Only continental drift could turn it into ocean. That would take a while. Now, if I may quote you:
Where are you getting your information? Futurama?* Comic books? Tarot cards? The vast majority of the scientific community finds that hypothesis rather flawed. But it was a great film! Mind you, so was Independance Day, yet I don't think the aliens are about to invade. "The Day After Tomorrow" Made NASA's silly sci-fy film list and even made the top ten of "Least accurate science in films in "Popular Mecanics"**. Kind scientists call it bad science, cruel ones just laugh at it - gasping for breath!. It is based on a series of ludicrous axioms. It is a good story. But it is not science. It does not even deserve the epithet "theory". It is barely an hypothesis. Finally, "Climate change" still means overall warming, but has been expanded to include changes in weather patterns as a result thereof, which can produce local cooling. Oh Med! PLEASE THINK! I can explain it to you as often as you wish, but I can't understand it for you. Refrences: Geosciences society: https://paw.princeton.edu/article/geosciences-society-takes-day-after-tomorrow" rel="nofollow - https://paw.princeton.edu/article/geosciences-society-takes-day-after-tomorrow Climatesight (science from the inside): https://climatesight.org/2012/04/26/the-day-after-tomorrow-a-scientific-critique/" rel="nofollow - https://climatesight.org/2012/04/26/the-day-after-tomorrow-a-scientific-critique/ Centre For Climate and Energy Solutions (basics): https://www.c2es.org/content/the-day-after-tomorrow-could-it-really-happen/" rel="nofollow - https://www.c2es.org/content/the-day-after-tomorrow-could-it-really-happen/ Southampton University - how 20 years of cooling is possible locally - then warming resumes: https://www.southampton.ac.uk/news/2015/10/could-the-day-after-tomorrow-happen.page" rel="nofollow - https://www.southampton.ac.uk/news/2015/10/could-the-day-after-tomorrow-happen.page Yale University (how the film affected belief systems: https://www.yaleclimateconnections.org/2014/11/the-long-melt-the-lingering-influence-of-the-day-after-tomorrow/" rel="nofollow - https://www.yaleclimateconnections.org/2014/11/the-long-melt-the-lingering-influence-of-the-day-after-tomorrow/ And absolute hilarity from Princeton University: https://paw.princeton.edu/article/geosciences-society-takes-day-after-tomorrow" rel="nofollow - https://paw.princeton.edu/article/geosciences-society-takes-day-after-tomorrow I could go on.....and on..........and on. *Apologies to Futurama! Their science is less flawed than this. **Silly Lists NASA: https://phys.org/news/2011-01-nasa-silly-sci-fi-flawed.html" rel="nofollow - https://phys.org/news/2011-01-nasa-silly-sci-fi-flawed.html Popular Mechanics: https://www.popularmechanics.com/culture/movies/g753/the-10-most-and-least-accurate-sci-fi-movies/" rel="nofollow - https://www.popularmechanics.com/culture/movies/g753/the-10-most-and-least-accurate-sci-fi-movies/ ------------- How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving. |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: March 01 2019 at 4:09pm
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The rise of Papua New Guinea,due to vulcanic Action,caused the centre of Australia to "DRYOUT". And if you know anything about the "Global Conveyor" you would know that it is very much connected to Australia...... ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.đ Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: March 01 2019 at 4:11pm
Hey Med! I have a book with a great section on phrenology. Want to borrow it to increase your scientific acumen?  I even know someone who claims to make you smarter with reverse phrenology (small hammer). ............  ------------- How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving. |
Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: March 01 2019 at 4:40pm
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I tried to research micronovas. This was all I could find: https://www.exopolitics.org/impending-solar-flash-event-supported-by-scientific-studies-insider-testimony/" rel="nofollow - https://www.exopolitics.org/impending-solar-flash-event-supported-by-scientific-studies-insider-testimony/ The homepage of the site carried the articles: "Will Deeep State Disclose Buried Antarctic Civilization to Distract from Looming Mass Arrests?", "Navy Insiders Corroborate Secret Antarctic Space Fleet & Mission to Oumuamua" and best of all "Statement on David Icke being Banned from entering Australia" It did mention Ben Davidson having stuff published. But this is specious again. Anyone can have stuff published; this is not the same as being published in a peer reviewed scientific journal. He also quotes some respectable scientists. I quoted Einstein in primary school; that does not mean I fully understood him. ------------- How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving. |
Posted By: jacksdad
Date Posted: March 02 2019 at 10:39am
Or conversely, opposition to clean energy is being pushed by the GOP who are owned - body and soul - by the fossil fuel lobby who stand to lose if we finally see sense and turn over to 100% renewable energy sources. It's not a conspiracy. If anything, it's just Democrats understanding science far better than their Bible bashing counterparts on the right, who clearly fail to grasp the enormity of the situation. There are far too many lawmakers in positions of power espousing faith in God as the answer to climate change - we need commonsense solutions, and so far that is not coming from the Republican leadership. Climate change is caused by global warming - they are two different things. Nobody changed the name. Personally, I wish they'd never coined the phrase, because it just just confuses idiots like Trump who see every cold day as proof that they're right in denying climate change. I agree with Techno - what we're more likely in danger of recreating here is the early Carboniferous period. Not somewhere I want my grandchildren to grow up, but that's just me. ------------- "Buy it cheap. Stack it deep" "Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary. |
Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: March 02 2019 at 12:15pm
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On the whole, I do not see Democrats as 'better' than Republicans. One has an understanding of people and their needs and one understands money. Too much of either is bad news. (This current Republican line-up is diminished greatly by its leader and further by the loss of a few others recently, like McCain, but that is another matter.) But if you do some digging into the vital question of: "Who owns whom?" and the equally vital: "where is the money going?" it becomes very obvious that Jacksdad is completely correct on that point. We all read the stories on the sites that agree with our original viewpoint. It is very hard to listen to the 'propaganda' of the opposing side. However, the futures of our species and many others, depends upon us getting this right. Religion teaches us morality, but it does so from an historical viewpoint. Climate change did not visibly exist in Biblical times. It is time now to start using the brains God gave us. If we fail to learn the lessons we have been avoiding, God will have to start again. We owe it to our grandchildren, the persistance of our chosen faiths (The Bible is rendered worthless if there is no one left to read it.) and the self respect (which is due to an active informed mind) to learn more about the real world. If you love CNN, try watching Fox: if you love Fox, try watching CNN AND THEN DO A BIT OF RESEARCH TO FIND OUT WHO IS TELLING THE TRUTH! I did. It hurt sometimes. But it was worth it. I know Jacksdad to be correct on this subject. But don't take my word for it. Do some real research. Look at both sides AND THEN CHECK UP FOR YOURSELF! ------------- How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving. |
Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: March 02 2019 at 12:18pm
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'And don't insult the members of AFT by just spouting the same stuff. Earn your right to speak. Check your facts first. ------------- How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving. |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: March 02 2019 at 2:10pm
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https://goo.gl/images/NpEUGp" rel="nofollow - https://goo.gl/images/NpEUGp ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.đ Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: March 02 2019 at 2:16pm
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https://www.21stcentech.com/climate-change-update-trifecta-ended-ice-age/" rel="nofollow - https://www.21stcentech.com/climate-change-update-trifecta-ended-ice-age/ ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.đ Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: March 05 2019 at 2:20pm
I believe I have already explained this, Med. But as you have great difficulty accepting or understanding (I don't know which) these things, This is a perfect example of the widened parameters of climate change. https://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/breaking-destructive-tornadoes-strike-alabama-georgia-sunday-afternoon/70007598" rel="nofollow - https://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/breaking-destructive-tornadoes-strike-alabama-georgia-sunday-afternoon/70007598 . Like all extreme weather, it is not guaranteed to be caused by global warming. But, like all extreme weather events, global warming renders it more common, more severe and more widespread than it would have been. Hence the new term 'climate change'. On the subject of not listening, may I point out again that CO2 is NOT, I repeat NOT a plant food. CO2 is a poison to ALL life. The full explanation is on page two of this thread, just after Chuck's post and a few posts before you said this:
Not that I expect you to absorb any of it. Why change the habits of a lifetime? ------------- How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving. |
Posted By: KiwiMum
Date Posted: March 05 2019 at 5:24pm
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This is a great discussion. I'm going to make a pot of tea this evening and read it in full so I can join in. We need more discussions like this. One fact that can't be disputed is the levels of CO2 in our atmostphere, that for millenia have sat below 300 ppm (parts per million) and this year will top 410 ppm. Levels haven't been this high in the last 400,000 years and who know what this will mean for life on earth. From my perspective here in NZ, just looking out my window I can see changes in our weather patterns: our droughts are harsher and longer, our wet weather is wetter and more prolonged with frequent flooding events, our winters have been milder and our summers hotter. We have been getting stronger winds and fiercer storms, and that's just in my tiny corner of the world. We are not equipped globally for extreme weather events, and yet this is what we are seeing more and more of. ------------- Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesnât accord with the facts. |
Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: March 07 2019 at 9:44am
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'And just over the pond from KiwiMum, in Australia................ 'Whole thing is unravelling': climate change reshaping Australia's forests Our wide brown land The forgotten climate change crises Droughts, heatwaves, bushfires and rising temperatures are driving ecosystems towards collapse Graham Readfearn @readfearn Wed 6 Mar 2019 17.00 GMT Last modified on Thu 7 Mar 2019 06.05 GMT Eucalyptus forest Researchers have found that big eucalypts grow slower as temperatures rise thanks to climate change. Australiaâs forests are being reshaped by climate change as droughts, heatwaves, rising temperatures and bushfires drive ecosystems towards collapse, ecologists have told Guardian Australia. Trees are dying, canopies are getting thinner and the rate that plants produce seeds is falling. Ecologists have long predicted that climate change would have major consequences for Australiaâs forests. Now they believe those impacts are unfolding. âThe whole thing is unravelling,â says Prof David Bowman, who studies the impacts of climate change and fire on trees at the University of Tasmania. âMost people have no idea that itâs even happening. The system is trying to tell you that if you donât pay attention then the whole thing will implode. We have to get a grip on climate change.â According to the 2018 State of the Climate Report, produced by CSIRO and the Bureau of Meteorology, large parts of the country are experiencing increases in weather patterns favourable to fires. The report found that rainfall has dropped in the south-east and south-west of the country, temperatures have warmed by an average of 1C, and a âshift to a warmer climate in Australia is accompanied by more extreme daily heat eventsâ. Dr Joe Fontaine, an ecologist at Murdoch University, says forests across Australia are changing. âImpacts are direct â trees dying from heat and drought â as well as indirect â more fire, fewer seeds and a raft of associated feedbacks.â Fontaine says leaves are the âmachinery that makes the plant workâ and how those leaves cope with heat depends on moisture reserves. âThe question then is, how much do you have in reserve? A lot of us are really concerned about that.â Fontaine has studied one large shrub species â the south-western native Hookerâs banksia â and found seed production has âhalved in the last 30 yearsâ, which was âdefinitely a climate-driven problem with increased droughtâ. Last spring, Fontaine and colleagues inspected an area 300km north of Perth where the banksias had been hit by fire several years earlier. He wanted to know if they could cope with fire on top of the areaâs long-term reduction in rainfall. âAt this stage, years after fire, those plants should be recovering and really going for it,â he says. âExcept instead these banksias were dead and falling over left and right. The young plants were dying too â this area was losing all their young vigorous plants. With more bushfire, this species is at real risk of being wiped off the map.â The interval squeeze A study of the impacts of a heatwave in 2010 and 2011 in the south-west that followed long-term drops in rainfall found that the the large jarrah eucalypts and the areaâs giant banksias were severely affected. A knock-on effect, another study found, was that the area became even more prone to fires. Bowman says the impacts of the changing climate are âabsolutelyâ happening. Bowman and colleagues have found that big eucalypts grow slower as temperatures rise and alpine ash forests are at risk of being wiped out because fires are coming along too often. This is part of a phenomenon known as the âinterval squeezeâ where species that are adapted to cope with drought or fire, struggle when the time between impacts gets shorter. Bowman says the idea that Australiaâs forests are well adapted to the countryâs variable climate and can withstand fire and drought, ia incorrect. âA big misapprehension is that these things are climatologically flexible, but theyâre just not,â he says, explaining that Australiaâs dominant eucalypts have âfine-tuned their life history around assumptions of fire frequencyâ, but âclimate change is just blowing that upâ. âAll this is non-linear,â he says. âWhat will happen is the system will crash faster than we realise. Yes, it will reassemble and there will be forests, but they wonât look anything like what we have now. We are going to see this transformation before our eyes.â Predicting the future? The climate change impacts are not only restricted to old-growth forests â the changing climate is also causing problems for groups trying to reforest areas that have been previously cleared. Usually, revegetation projects will gather seeds from the local area to sow or propagate in a practice known as provenance planting. But two major groups are using climate projection tools to second-guess the changes in rainfall and heat expected in the areas where they are planting. Landcare Australia and Bush Heritage Australia have started to source seeds from places that better match the climate conditions in coming decades. Dr Matt Appleby, a senior ecologist at Bush Heritage Australia, says that in about 2014, the group began to see dead patches in a replanting project at Nardoo Hills in Victoria, and the problem worsened each year. âWe had a heatwave back in 2014 with about a week of temperatures well over 40C and that was combined with already low soil moisture,â he says. âWe think that combination meant the trees were under so much stress they reach a critical point and were dying.â Now the group has started a climate-ready revegetation project for the reserve. Even among the same species of tree, there can be subtle genetic variations that give the same species different tolerances depending on where they are growing. The group has used climate tools to find areas in the country known as âclimate analoguesâ that match the hotter and drier conditions expected at Nardoo. âWe are collecting seeds from those locations and bringing them to Nardoo Hills to propagate and plant out,â Appleby says. What happens then is that in 20 years the seeds of those plants will be better adapted to the area â they should have that little bit more resilience.â Appleby is concerned the job of gathering seeds for rarer species could get more difficult. âTrying to get seed this past year has been incredibly difficult. What happens if in five yearsâ time we get a run of 49C days?â he says. âHow are we going to get seed then if everything is under pressure? People need to start thinking about seed banks and seed production areas so thereâs enough seed down the track to sustain this.â Dr Shane Norrish, the chief executive of Landcare Australia, says like many other organisations carrying out major revegetation works, climate change was presenting a challenge. For one major revegetation project at Dakalanta on the Eyre peninsula, Landcare Australia has also used this âclimate-readyâ approach when sourcing some of their seeds. âWhat you will never be able to deal with is the run of extreme hot days that weâve experienced in southern Australia â that level of extreme variability challenges everyone.â Source https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/mar/07/whole-thing-is-unraveling-climate-change-reshaping-australias-forests - https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/mar/07/whole-thing-is-unraveling-climate-change-reshaping-australias-forests
Technophobe: The yellow highlights are mine.] |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: March 07 2019 at 9:30pm
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Plants do grow bigger with more CO2 , however their nutrients are less, therefore you need more to get same nourishment...... |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: March 07 2019 at 9:35pm
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Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: March 08 2019 at 1:59am
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Thanks, Carbon! Fascinating article! They dealt with cereal/farinaceous plants only though. Trees show the poisoning effect of excess CO2 at much lower concentrations, as does seaweed. Excess nitrogen, which produces overgrowth of certain CO2 emitting species and an increase in carbonic acid (produced from atmospheric CO2) between them cause the dead zones in oceans. Out of thousands of these zones, only one has ever recovered. BASIC BIOLOGY/BOTANY: 'Plant growth is limited by the concentration of the nutrient least available to it.' For the purposes of that statement, CO2, water, minerals, heat and sunlight are considered as nutrients. But, All biological processes operate within set parameters and optimum function is only attained within narrower ones. To draw a comparison: you need water to live, but would probably die both from a lack of it in a desert, or drown from too much if you were dropped in the middle of the Pacific. Too little or too much is fatal; those are the wide parameters for water. But in addition to that, people who do not drink enough water (or fluids with water in) function at reduced efficiency, get headaches, poor digestion, constipation and have bad kidney function or even develop nephritis, they suffer illnesses more severely and have lots more health problems. Less well known are the statistics of those who drink too much, [urlhttp://www.urban75.com/Drugs/drugxtc1.html[/url] is a case in point. The effects of too much damage more babies than adults, who show reduced growth/failure to thrive if formula is mixed with too much water. Like trees and seaweed using excess CO2, they are more succeptable to extremes within the fatal parameters. 60% of the oxygen we breathe comes from the oceans, trees produce most of the rest. Worrying! |
Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: March 08 2019 at 5:49am
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From http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2019/02/a-rise-of-18c-or-324f-by-2026.html - http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2019/02/a-rise-of-18c-or-324f-by-2026.html : A catastrophe of unimaginable proportions is unfolding. Life is disappearing from Earth and all life could be gone within one decade. Study after study is showing the size of the threat, yet many people seem out to hide what we're facing. In the Arctic alone, four tipping points look set to be crossed within a few years: Loss of the Arctic sea ice's ability to act as a buffer to absorb incoming ocean heat Loss of Arctic sea ice's ability to reflect sunlight back into space (albedo) Destabilization of sediments at the seafloor of the Arctic Ocean Permafrost melt Crossing these tipping points triggers a number of feedbacks that kick in at accelerating speed, including even more absorption of heat by the Arctic Ocean, further changes to the Jet Stream resulting in even more extreme weather, seafloor methane release, water vapor feedback and emissions from land such as CHâ (methane), NâO (nitrous oxide) and NOâ (nitrogen oxide), due to permafrost melt, storms and forest fires. Temperatures also threaten to rise strongly over the next few years as sulfate cooling falls away while more black carbon and brown carbon gets emitted as more wood gets burned and more forest fires occur. A recent study points at yet another tipping point, i.e. the disappearance of marine stratus clouds, which could result in a global temperature rise of eight degrees Celsius (8°C or 14.4°F). In the model used in the study, the tipping point starts to occur at 1,200 ppm COâe, i.e. a stack of greenhouse gases including CHâ, NâO, COâ and HâO, and changes in clouds resulted in global surface warming of 8°C at 1,300 ppm COâe, as stratocumulus decks did break up into cumulus clouds and evaporation strengthened, and average longwave cooling at the level of the cloud tops dropped to less than 10% of what it was in the presence of stratocumulus decks. This 8°C rise would come on top of the warming that would already have occurred due to other warming elements, resulting in a total rise of as 18°C or 32.4°F from preindustrial, as pictured on the right and below. (DJ-See for the full article the link on top) https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/South-Slammed-Deadliest-US-Tornado-Day-Six-Years - https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/South-Slammed-Deadliest-US-Tornado-Day-Six-Years https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/Wettest-Winter-US-History - https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/Wettest-Winter-US-History http://www.thebigwobble.org/2019/03/eight-years-on-water-woes-threaten.html - http://www.thebigwobble.org/2019/03/eight-years-on-water-woes-threaten.html Fukushima http://www.thebigwobble.org/2019/03/a-game-of-two-halves-extreme-cold-in-us.html - http://www.thebigwobble.org/2019/03/a-game-of-two-halves-extreme-cold-in-us.html DJ-A possible worst case scenario would see "extreme weather event after extreme weather event"-we most likely are already are in that phase. https://robinwestenra.blogspot.com/2019/03/why-aerosols-are-killing-us.html - https://robinwestenra.blogspot.com/2019/03/why-aerosols-are-killing-us.html |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: March 08 2019 at 2:22pm
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the chemical balance ,that enabled life to exist and thrive for millions of years, has over the last 175 years come under attack from a Large bipedal animal, it has thrived to the extent that NOW IT HAS BECOME A HAZZARD TO ITS SELF, Look back to what happened 175 years ago, the INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION................ this bought with it and the Prime reason the Animal has gotten its self into a big mess THE USING OF COAL........... to power MACHINES , (THE "LUDDITES" have proven to be right after all......) No Cars, Planes,or Powered Ships ,175 years ago , and only 2 billion of these ANIMALS, NOW WE HAVE 7+ BILLION of these Animals, Squandering the planets Resourses like there's no TOMORROW we Humans ,are ,as Dutch Josh says "DJ-A possible worst case scenario would see "extreme weather event after extreme weather event"-we most likely are already are in that phase. " heads in the sand......... |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: March 08 2019 at 2:24pm
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https://www.bl.uk/georgian-britain/articles/the-industrial-revolution The Industrial Revolution Article written by: Matthew White Published: 14 Oct 2009 In this article Matthew White explores the industrial revolution which changed the landscape and infrastructure of Britain forever. The 18th century saw the emergence of the âIndustrial Revolutionâ, the great age of steam, canals and factories that changed the face of the British economy forever. Early industry Early 18th century British industries were generally small scale and relatively unsophisticated. Most textile production, for example, was centred on small workshops or in the homes of spinners, weavers and dyers: a literal âcottage industryâ that involved thousands of individual manufacturers. Such small-scale production was also a feature of most other industries, with different regions specialising in different products: metal production in the Midlands, for example, and coal mining in the North-East. Two illustrations of 18th century textile production Two illustrations of 18th century textile production View images from this item (2) Usage terms Public Domain New techniques and technologies in agriculture paved the wave for change. Increasing amounts of food were produced over the century, ensuring that enough was available to meet the needs of the ever-growing population. A surplus of cheap agricultural labour led to severe unemployment and rising poverty in many rural areas. As a result, many people left the countryside to find work in towns and cities. So the scene was set for a large-scale, labour intensive factory system. Steam and coal Because there were limited sources of power, industrial development during the early 1700s was initially slow. Textile mills, heavy machinery and the pumping of coal mines all depended heavily on old technologies of power: waterwheels, windmills and horsepower were usually the only sources available. Changes in steam technology, however, began to change the situation dramatically. As early as 1712 Thomas Newcomen first unveiled his steam-driven piston engine, which allowed the more efficient pumping of deep mines. Steam engines improved rapidly as the century advanced, and were put to greater and greater use. More efficient and powerful engines were employed in coalmines, textile mills and dozens of other heavy industries. By 1800 perhaps 2,000 steam engines were eventually at work in Britain. Early 18th century depiction of a steam engine Early 18th century depiction of a steam engine View images from this item (1) Usage terms Public Domain New inventions in iron manufacturing, particularly those perfected by the Darby family of Shropshire, allowed for stronger and more durable metals to be produced. The use of steam engines in coalmining also ensured that a cheap and reliable supply of the iron industryâs essential raw material was available: coal was now king. Factories The spinning of cotton into threads for weaving into cloth had traditionally taken place in the homes of textile workers. In 1769, however, Richard Arkwright patented his âwater frameâ, that allowed large-scale spinning to take place on just a single machine. This was followed shortly afterwards by James Hargreavesâ âspinning jennyâ, which further revolutionised the process of cotton spinning. The weaving process was similarly improved by advances in technology. Edmund Cartwrightâs power loom, developed in the 1780s, allowed for the mass production of the cheap and light cloth that was desirable both in Britain and around the Empire. Steam technology would produce yet more change. Constant power was now available to drive the dazzling array of industrial machinery in textiles and other industries, which were installed up and down the country. New âmanufactoriesâ (an early word for 'factory') were the result of all these new technologies. Large industrial buildings usually employed one central source of power to drive a whole network of machines. Richard Arkwrightâs cotton factories in Nottingham and Cromford, for example, employed nearly 600 people by the 1770s, including many small children, whose nimble hands made light-work of spinning. Other industries flourished under the factory system. In Birmingham, James Watt and Matthew Boulton established their huge foundry and metal works in Soho, where nearly 1,000 people were employed in the 1770s making buckles, boxes and buttons, as well as the parts for new steam engines. Two illustrations of 18th century textile production Two illustrations of 18th century textile production View images from this item (2) Usage terms Public Domain Though not all factories were bad places to work, many were dismal and highly dangerous. Some factories were likened to prisons or barracks, where workers encountered harsh discipline enforced by factory owners. Many children were sent there from workhouses or orphanages to work long hours in hot, dusty conditions, and were forced to crawl through narrow spaces between fast-moving machinery. A working day of 12 hours was not uncommon, and accidents happened frequently. Transport The growing demand for coal after 1750 revealed serious problems with Britainâs transport system. Though many mines stood close to rivers or the sea, the shipping of coal was slowed down by unpredictable tides and weather. Because of the growing demand for this essential raw material, many mine owners and industrial speculators began financing new networks of canals, in order to link their mines more effectively with the growing centres of population and industry. The early canals were small but highly beneficial. In 1761, for example, the Duke of Bridgewater opened a canal between his colliery at Worsley and the rapidly growing town of Manchester. Within weeks of the canalâs opening the price of coal in Manchester halved. Other canal building schemes were quickly authorised by Acts of Parliament, in order to link up an expanding network of rivers and waterways. By 1815, over 2,000 miles of canals were in use in Britain, carrying thousands of tonnes of raw materials and manufactured goods by horse-drawn barge. Extract from An essay on the present state of our publick roads Extract from an 'essay on the present state of our publick roads' View images from this item (4) Usage terms Public Domain Most roads were in a terrible state early in this period. Many were poorly maintained and even major routes flooded during the winter. Journeys by stagecoach were long and uncomfortable. London in particular suffered badly when wagons and carts were bogged down in poor conditions and were left unable to deliver food to markets. Faced with these difficulties, local authorities applied for âTurnpike Actsâ that allowed for new roads to be constructed, paid for out of tolls placed on passing traffic. New techniques in road construction, developed by pioneering engineers such as John McAdam and Thomas Telford, led to the great âroad boomâ of the 1780s. The improvements achieved by 18th century road builders were breathtaking. By the 1830s the stagecoach journey from London to Edinburgh took just two days, compared to nearly two weeks only half a century before. Written by Matthew White Dr Matthew White is Research Fellow in History at the University of Hertfordshire where he specialises in the social history of London during the 18th and 19th centuries. Matthewâs major research interests include the history of crime, punishment and policing, and the social impact of urbanisation. His most recently published work has looked at changing modes of public justice in the 18th and 19th centuries with particular reference to the part played by crowds at executions and other judicial punishments. The text in this article is available under the Creative Commons License. |
Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: March 08 2019 at 11:40pm
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The dilemma is wether geo-engenering will be able to solve climate change-at least buy us time. Or could it worsen the problem even further.... I (DJ) believe in "hopium", one should never give up hope with a mix of a sense of realism. Some thoughts; -Starting a "nuclear winter" wich may kill almost all of life (and leave the planet behind as a nuclear mess) is proberbly not such a good idea. -I believe in simplicity; increase withe surfaces on the globe to reflect the heat-would that work ? Use the increase of temperature to transfer it in "clean energy"? Can it be done on a wide enough scale to slow down global heating ? -When politicians believe that climate change is a problem-and most of them do-would it then not be wise to "encourage" people to have less children ? There is a link between climate change and population growth. (Here we will get in conflict with freedom of religion a.o. the China one-child-policy as a model for the long term ? ) -To solve climate change related problems will need a large mix of answers, on a global scale. Are we ready for a "global government" and how to deal with those that do not want to contribute to solutions ? -You can think of a lot of scenario's. In the best-case scenario climate change would not be a real issue. It does not look that way-maybe in some magical way with some feedbacks one may hope it works out that way. In the (sorry to say-more realistic scenario's) worst case we are already (far) out of time. The "IPCC-model" at least gives us time (but maybe not on a very realistic scale). -At least one could claim "people are working on a global scale to solve the problems of climate change". Reality will force countries, people, to take more action. (And to be honest-we all as individuals have our own responsibility-we can note hide behind politics). -Even when you believe in worst case scenario's to be realistic one has a duty to avoid as much as possible disasters. (The idea that it does not make any difference wether you take action or not-may be realistic-but at least one has to think about it. There are that many actions possible-from becoming vegetarian and giving up the idea of starting a family-on an individual level to closing coal-plants (and start building nuclear plants instead of them ????) that at least some action may be wise. -There are also "less clear consequences"of climate change. How will the "end of bees" effect the food-chain ? How will health issues develop ? A return of Malaria and Cholera to Europe (it disappeared here some 90 years ago), how will TBc develop ? How will plant/animal health unfold ? There were some reports of an increase of UV (including even UV-C) ? Is the G5-digital network making climate change worse ? (Most likely digital techniques do have an effect on climate change. Are we turning this planet into a micro-wave-oven ?) |
Posted By: KiwiMum
Date Posted: March 12 2019 at 12:23am
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Dutch Josh, you raise a number of interesting questions in your post and here are my thoughts on some of them: I don't think there will ever be a global government unless there is global domination by one nation who declares war on the rest of us and wins and therefore gets to rule the world. The reason I think this is because any other type of global government would be an opt in situation and that is already failing when it comes to climate change. For politicians who are generally late middle aged people, they don't really care about the world in 50 years time as they won't be here to see it. We all want everyone else to have to live by rules and restrictions whilst we ourselves get to do whatever we want. As for countries facing the reality of climate change and then being forced to change, the big players like the US will be the last to feel it. Will they really care if they lose areas of land to coastal inundation? No because they occupy a huge land mass. In the meantime, countries at sea level will disappear and their occupants become climate refugees looking for somewhere else to live. Unfortunately the Netherlands will be in this catagory. Will the individual deny themselves the joy of parenting just for the greater good? No. I wouldn't. And even countries like China are abolishing restrictions of family sizes because of their top heavy populations and the realisation that there won't be enough workers to keep the elderly and to pay taxes. Honestly, in my opinion, I think the best thing that could happen to this planet is some kind of deadly haemorrhagic fever to sweep the globe and wipe out 99% of us. It sounds horrific but it would serve a purpose. Finally, I think we are way past the point of no return in climate change. The momentum that has built up can't be stopped. We just need to prepare as best we can. |
Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: March 20 2019 at 12:01am
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KiwiMum-my reaction; -A "world-government" could come in the form of the IPCC, Paris-climate agreement etc. gaining importance due to more extreme weather events (EWE). (We have had so many EWE I stopped following it. The latest cyclone hitting Mozambique-Beira (main port for the country), Zimbabwe, Malawi might be an example. Only with international help the region may recover.) -The US itself is hit hard by climate change and EWE. In a worst case scenario even the US may need international help to keep some form of government, trade, infrastructure. When the US would have to deal with several Kathrina-like events in a few months (killing thousends, extreme flooding, possible nuclear/energy/chemical disaster) even the US might get overstretched. (It is not the politics that is in control-disasters take over, international aid organizations and cooperation of countries-as a result. So far politics is failing in dealing with climatechange. There is a Dutch saying; The shore will stop the ship.) -People want to have their children to have some sort of decent future. You do not start a family when you expect major disaster in the near future-at least that is how I see it. (There are also other trends; better educated women want less/no children at a later age. Men being less fertile. It will get-even without climate change-more likely that population growth slows down/decreases. https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-19/era-negative-population-growth-coming-soon" rel="nofollow - https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-19/era-negative-population-growth-coming-soon ) -There may be "several points of no return in climate change". We are above the 1,5C temperaturerise when you take 1750 as the baseline. The heathcontent in the ocean-so already there-most likely will worsen the global climate very soon. Going for solar/wind does not effect the heat in the oceans and the arctic. Also the chemistry in the atmosphere has changed already that dramatic only "radical steps" can effect that. https://www.facebook.com/JoseBarbaNueva" rel="nofollow - https://www.facebook.com/JoseBarbaNueva is hoping for some major volcanic eruptions to block solar energy/heat to slow down climate change. -The planet may not survive with a form of life without some form of "geo-engenering" even when we are not sure of the results. "Nuclear winter" as a form of geo-engenering most likely will speed up the destruction proces. If there is a rich elite planning to survive the disaster they are the main cause of they might want to go to space, the moon or so. In my opinion planet Earth is moving to a Venus-state. ------------- We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them. ~Albert Einstein |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: March 20 2019 at 1:52am
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we need to figure out how to vent the CO2 into space.... There's a big vacume cleaner out there, A.C Clark had an idea about a space elevator,why not a ring of satalites that collect CO2 and pump it into space.... ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.đ Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: April 25 2019 at 4:31pm
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LIVE TV TOP STORIES ENVIRONMENT Gulf Stream system at weakest point in 1,600 years CLIMATE CHANGE | 11.04.2018 A further weakening of the system of currents in the Atlantic Ocean could wreak havoc on the Earth's climate. But there isn't too much reason to be overly concerned about a looming ice age â at least not yet. Two new studies have found that the system of currents in the Atlantic Ocean is exceptionally weak â and its strength, or lack thereof, could have serious ramifications for the global climate. The Atlantic meridional overturning circulation (AMOC) â also known as the Gulf Stream system â is often described as part of the global ocean conveyor belt. It transports warm water from the Atlantic toward the Arctic, which influences the relatively mild climate of Western Europe. In the northern Atlantic, this surface water eventually cools and sinks to the bottom of the ocean, where another current transports it south to Antarctica before circulating back to the Gulf Stream and beginning the cycle anew. This entire process is known as thermohaline circulation. However, a team of researchers from University College London (UCL) and Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution (WHOI) have offered evidence from marine sediment that the AMOC is currently at its weakest point in the past 1,600 years. Another study from the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research (PIK) used climate model data and historical records of sea surface temperatures to reveal that the AMOC has been rapidly weakening since 1950 as a result of rising temperatures linked to global warming. Both studies, which will be published together in the April 12 issue of Nature, strongly suggest that the AMOC has weakened over the past by 150 years by at least 15 percent to 20 percent. Cold water in the Golf Stream comes up from the Antarctic A new understanding of the climate Scientists have been studying the changes in the AMOC for decades, mostly through the use of computer simulations that predicted the circulation would slow down as a result of global warming. However, the new studies represent the most compelling evidence yet that the AMOC is weakening. David Thornalley, one of the lead researchers of the UCL/WHOI study and senior lecturer at the UCL, said the findings will help scientists understand the longer-term context of how the AMOC is changing. "We only have very short, direct observations since 2004, and that means it's been very difficult to gain any longer-term perspective of the decline we've been seeing over the last 10 years and if that's part of any longer-term trend," he told DW. In marine sediment research, material is dredged off the ocean floor "Our study has used new techniques with marine sediment core â so relatively direct evidence â to extend, in effect, our observations and allow us to place what's happening today in a longer-term context." Levke Ceasar, a PhD student and a researcher with the PIK study, says the results confirm what scientists already assumed about the AMOC. "Climate models have predicted that the overturning circulation in the Atlantic will slow down due to global warming," she told DW. "Our study shows that yes, it is already happening. Since the mid-20th century we have seen a slowdown of the overturning circulation by about 15 percent." Read more: Arctic warmer than Europe is a worrying sign of climate change What does this mean for the planet? As an important component of our planet's climate system, if the AMOC continues to weaken, weather patterns could be disrupted across the United States and Europe, and even the African Sahel region. "The broader climate system as a whole has a lot of factors and a lot of complexity, and researchers are trying to better understand that," Thornalley said. The AMOC is responsible for warming places like northwest Europe by up to 4 to 6 degrees Celsius. "If that were to weaken, then you would lose that source of heat. Because it transports heat around the globe, it kind of helps determine where climate patterns are." Even if a weakening of the AMOC doesn't trigger a new ice age, it could lead to stronger winter storms hitting Europe from across the Atlantic For example, if the AMOC weakens, there could be a shift in tropical rainfall belts or strengthening of the winter storms that cross across the Atlantic into Europe. It may also cause a more rapid increase in sea level along the East Coast of the United States due to changes in ocean density. However, Ceasar says the exact impact it may have on the climate is unlear. "We think that the AMOC may already have an impact on the weather in Europe," she told DW. "For example, the 2015 European heat wave has been linked to cold [sea surface] temperatures in the sub-polar Atlantic." Although this sounds like a paradox, it happens since "low, sub-polar sea surface temperatures change the air pressure distribution that channels warm air into Europe and can lead to heat waves," she explained. Read more: Climate change and extreme weather: Science is proving the link Infografik Karte Golfstrom ENG Worst-case scenario Scientists don't necessarily think the Earth could enter a new ice age as a result of the Gulf Stream. In fact, the theory that the Little Ice Age, which occurred between 1460 and 1550, was linked to the weakening of the AMOC has been disproven by the latest study from UCL/WHOI. A worst-case scenario, however, could result in a complete shutdown of the AMOC. Farfetched though it may seem, scientists have said that based on what they know, this is not a totally impossible scenario. "The latest Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change research says a complete shutdown has something like a 5 to 10 percent chance of happening by 2100," Thornalley said. There are still improvements to be made in our understanding of the system, he added. "There is a possibility that a shutdown could occur, and that is why we invest money into monitoring this system. Although it may be unlikely, if it did happen, it would have very severe consequences." 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