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Topic: What Plans Have You Made for Water
Posted By: brianages
Subject: What Plans Have You Made for Water
Date Posted: June 10 2006 at 4:21pm
Can we hear the different ideas and products the group has made for drinking water and storage?
 
I did two things (always have a backup)
 
1) Water Bladders (3 x 250 gallons)
 
Stationary storage that takes very little room
 
2) British Berkey water filtration (Used by relief agencies in some really nasty water)
 
Portable, endless supply (25 gallons per day), small storage


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Brian Ages - Tybee Island - GA



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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 10 2006 at 4:30pm

I have a similar arrangement, but with the addition of a couple of inflatable swimming pools as well for emergency storage:

1) Water Bladders (2x150gal; 1x350 gal)

2) Two 55 gal barrels

3) Berkey Light

4) Hiking filter (for bug out bag)

5) two inflatable swimming pools (1000 gal and 1700 gal).

I don't really want to use the swimming pools except as a last resort as I have read that PVC pools may shed a chemical (pfelates?sp) that is carcinogenic.  I am not sure the Berkey will filter the chemical out.  There is an entire thread in Fluwiki discussing the use of PVC pools for water storage if you need more info.



Posted By: Cygnet
Date Posted: June 10 2006 at 4:35pm
I'm on a well -- it's shared with 8 families & it's got a 5,000 gallon holding tank. It's also too deep to power with a generator, so if the power goes off, I'm up a creek once the water's used up. And I'd be hauling it by hand from the tank as it doesn't gravity feed. I also have a 250 gallon holding tank I'm putting in on my property because I'm sick of having no water when the well goes out. (See above about not gravity feeding.)

If TSHTF, however, I'm headed for my father's cabin in N. AZ, though, which has an ample natural supply of water. I couldn't live out here long term if we had a major pandemic and civilization fell apart. Water WOULD be an issue, and food would be a bigger issue. (I could probably divert enough rainwater from the roof to keep from dying of dehydration -- but I certainly wouldn't get enough to grow anything with.)


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 10 2006 at 5:09pm
Cygnet

Our well is too deep also..  We have a bladder still in the box from y2k.   I have a couple of wading pools for standby, but I am trying to remember a device they had a while back that you could drop down a deep well by hand and pull up a gallon or so at a time. It had a ball float that would drop into place to hold the water while you drew it up.  Also at most farm supply stors they have those large plastic tanks that you carry on the back of a pickup.  They suggested them for y2k in their adds back in 99, so I assume they would be safe...  I will look into one of those most likely....

Take care


Posted By: Pixie
Date Posted: June 10 2006 at 5:42pm
I am lacking in water storage, I have only individual gallons about 150 . My house is such there is no access to the cellar from inside. I would have to go outside. 55 gallon drums would be great,but I'd probably be seen bringing up water.How long would it be before someone broke in the cellar? I've thought about having a trap door cut in,but no funds to hire someone,and being a manless household I am at a loss. Somewhere I read even though the water may not be chlorinated in emergency situtations they would let it run. So I'll be refilling and sanitizing with clorox and hydrogen peroxcide.


Posted By: HOPEFLOATS
Date Posted: June 10 2006 at 6:16pm
We have 6 55 gallon barrels 2 6 gallon barrels an aboveground pool which we are going to use for wash water to clean up with and if needed drinking water. We also  have a bunch of 2 litter bottles filled which we are rotating. I still feel as if we need more.


Posted By: brianages
Date Posted: June 10 2006 at 7:25pm
Originally posted by Pixie Pixie wrote:

I am lacking in water storage, I have only individual gallons about 150 . My house is such there is no access to the cellar from inside. I would have to go outside. 55 gallon drums would be great,but I'd probably be seen bringing up water.How long would it be before someone broke in the cellar? I've thought about having a trap door cut in,but no funds to hire someone,and being a manless household I am at a loss. Somewhere I read even though the water may not be chlorinated in emergency situations they would let it run. So I'll be refilling and sanitizing with clorox and hydrogen peroxide.
 
I would worry about storage prior to the threat of a break in. Just my opinion but fear of the outdoors should not be in a plan and there are remedies to protect outdoor storage (cans on string, dog, trip flares, etc...)
 
Buy "food grade" hydrogen peroxide. I learned this from an engineer.


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Brian Ages - Tybee Island - GA


Posted By: Mississipp Mama
Date Posted: June 10 2006 at 7:40pm
  I contracted to have a maunal well put in six months.  In Jan. the contractor told me he had enough work to last a year.  He said he would contact me when he got to my area.  Two weeks ago he got to me.  He did most of the work then and came back to finish today.  He said there are so many people getting wells put in  since Katrina.  Stated he has never seen it this busy before.  I wonder how many are preparing for bird flu?  So as for my water I have 4-55 gal. drumbs, 3-35gal. drumbs 15-five gal. containers and a manual well.  This was such a relief to get the well after waiting so long.  I plan to buy some individual gallons of water from the store also.


Posted By: Mrs. T
Date Posted: June 10 2006 at 7:45pm
We have a well and bought a generator, but I see some people have wells that are too deep for a generator. How deep is too deep? Ours is about 225 feet.


Posted By: TrishaA
Date Posted: June 10 2006 at 7:47pm
 Hi guys.....What the heck is a water bladder?  Where do you get all these bladders and barrels?      
                                                    Trisha

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looking for blue skies in a dust storm


Posted By: brianages
Date Posted: June 10 2006 at 7:53pm
Hello Trisha,
 
I bought mine from a hurricane supply company. They are "food grade" and I really went off the deep end and bought a pressurization system for the house (not needed for basic). I broke my neck a few years ago so I have to get extreme to make things easy. I can move around but it hurts to do to much.
 
I went to http://www.waterunner.com - www.waterunner.com  and selected a system. The bladders on their own are all you need.
 
 


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Brian Ages - Tybee Island - GA


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 10 2006 at 8:00pm
In terms of water storage, at the moment we have about 50 gal total. This will be augmented over the next few weeks. Fortunately, we have a barrel dealer about three blocks away from the house. Water barrels are a common site in this area, as so many people live on small ranches and the like.
We plan on at least 2 55-gallon barrels, which we plan on tying into our still non-existent rain gutters. Another item for the to-do list. The area we're in averages about 12-18 inches per year, and we're way below that so far this year. So rain gutters haven't been a major priority until now. Also, the city's water source is a rather polluted river. If the water is pumped through the pipes unchlorinated, it would be very bad to drink it untreated.
 
Question: Someone mentioned bleach and food grad hydro-peroxide. How does that work?


Posted By: Penham
Date Posted: June 10 2006 at 9:15pm
We have 1-55 gal water drum with spigot (Atwoods), several 6-gallon water containers (Walmart), regular gallons of water, cases of individual bottled water and 12,000 gallons of pool water, and we are saving empty 2-liter soda bottles and juice bottles to fill with water.


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 10 2006 at 10:08pm
I plan on raiding my neighbors homes for water. Okay, just kidding! I really dont think we will have a water crisis. Im sure states will mandate that utility workers show up for work. They will be the front lines along with medical workers to receive protective equipment and viral shots. I would be more concerned with power lines going down during the winter months from ice or storms. You could be without power and heat for days.


Posted By: Hydrangea
Date Posted: June 10 2006 at 11:18pm
I buy water every time I shop and at this point have about 40 gallons of bottled and jugged water, plus two 7-gallon and one 5-gallon containers that will be filled later.

There are three forgotten-until-yesterday containers in my home and I can't believe I overlooked them for so long: empty 10, 20 and 55 gallon aquariums. After a good cleaning they could be filled and then filtered and aerated while the power is on. Additionally, the family room/den used to be a 2 car garage and would support the weight of a kiddy pool or two.  


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 2:33am
if you need water
 
plastic freezer bags put over leaves of a non toxic tree and held on with a clothes peg will draw water out of the leaves
 
with enough plastic bags you could have a bath every day
 
I lived in the desert and can survive where no body else can


Posted By: brianages
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 5:43am

I was asked for this information on the other site so I thought I would add it here in case someone is seeking these items.

This is where I purchased the bladders and Berkey. You might be able to find a better deal but this was the best I could find at the time.
 
This type of storage is easy, maintenance free (until filled), and no shelf life.
 
Water Bladders (several sizes and choices)
 

http://www.waterunner.com/Bladders.html - http://www.waterunner.com/Bladders.html

 
British Berkey (several sizes)
 

http://www.aaoobfoods.com/BritishBerkefeld.htm#top - http://www.aaoobfoods.com/BritishBerkefeld.htm#top
 
In the event I need to use the bladders (fill them) we plan on using the garage slab. They are like a food grade water bed and when full have the same weight factor. Plan the placement on a very solid and structural load bearing floor, ground, or concrete slab. 
 
I prefer the items that take little shelf space and can be thrown onto a shelf and forgotten until needed.


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Brian Ages - Tybee Island - GA


Posted By: strwberry
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 5:55am
I have over 300 2 litter containers, 150 - gallon aqua tank, 12 cases bottled water, and a 10,000 gallon above ground pool....which I'm not counting on since my neighbors all know about it, I'm sure they will help themselves if it gets as bad as that.  Im going to think of it as my contribution to the neighborhood. Smile
 
 
 


Posted By: brianages
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 6:03am
Hello Strawberry,
 
Just a note about pool water; don't use it for drinking water. The chemicals used to keep it looking good will cause liver failure.
 
I don't know how or why it does this but I sat in on a meeting years ago for the LAX planning and the issue came up. They built large storage tanks to accommodate 60,000 people. I was trying to sell them a desalinization unit .


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Brian Ages - Tybee Island - GA


Posted By: abbie
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 6:12am
I have a question about water. Where we live they have have just planted dozens of trees and were hauling in water. We were told that there was going to be a something like a water trough installed to collect rain in so no one would have to haul water in. Of course this got us to thinking about our plans for water in case BF hits and of course we didn't mention it to anyone. My question is this, if we put bleach and food grade hydrogen peroxide in this "water trough" would it be safe to drink? Wouldn't you boil it also. We have a small water purifier too. Any answers on this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks


Posted By: brianages
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 6:26am

I knew an engineer who had told me that "food grade" hydrogen peroxide is all that is needed to purify drinking water. Now this was clean water so I would suggest filtering it first and then adding your FG peroxide.

It's a good idea to add only the amount specified and if anything go on the light side. It would really be a bad hair day to save yourself from dehydration but blow out a liver because of added chemicals.
 
 
This was prior to a bird flu threat so it would be good to know if there has been any testing with peroxide only. Both are basically a bleach so I couldn't see needing both.


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Brian Ages - Tybee Island - GA


Posted By: strwberry
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 6:37am

brianages, thank you for the advice but I thought if it sat in the sun all the chemicals would dissipate, if this is not true...I will only use for showering, cleaning, and will post a "do not drink" sign.



Posted By: abbie
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 6:38am
Thanks brianages for the water info. I hope no one ever has to use it. Water here is my biggest concern. There are two very close ponds but they are also full of geese and ducks so I wouldn't want to even try to have to clean that water to drink. We thought getting water out of this trough would be easier to do if we took precautions and after we use up what we have already stored. Sort of a last resort. Thanks again.


Posted By: brianages
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 7:12am
Originally posted by strwberry strwberry wrote:

brianages, thank you for the advice but I thought if it sat in the sun all the chemicals would dissipate, if this is not true...I will only use for showering, cleaning, and will post a "do not drink" sign.

Hi Strawberry,
 
If you like your neighbors the "do not drink" sign is a good idea. If your neighbors are a pain you could put up a sign stating "free drinking water."
 
Just kidding - couldn't resist a little humor.
 
I don't know about the evaporation issue. I remember something that it would take charcoal filters to eliminate the problem however the filters would have to be changed at such a rate it made it unfeasible.


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Brian Ages - Tybee Island - GA


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 10:15am
I'm filling 2-liter cola bottles with water, freezing some of them so it'll be good and cold (aaahhh!).  Clap  So far I've probably got 20 of them.  We go through 10+ 2-liters of cola a week, so I'll really be adding to "the collection" over the next few weeks.  We've also got a couple of camping-style water containers, too, 55 gallons in the water heater, plus several 5-gallon containers that those water dispensing systems use.  I'll also fill the bathtub if/when the time comes.

We've also got a large goldfish pond, a 120-gallon aquarium, a 40-gallon aquarium, and two 55-gallon aquariums  that we could use for flushing the toilet if necessary.  (Septic tank system)

For showering, we've got a couple of solar showers, and a mid-size above-ground pool with a cover that would work for bath water.



Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 12:06pm
Don't forget that you will be using up your food stores and likely not replenishing them during a pandemic. As food grade containers empty, fill them up with water if it's available.


Posted By: Penham
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 12:34pm
Pool water may be ok to drink depending on what you are using to sanitize it with. If you are using plain calcium hypochlorite (shock) with no additives, then it would be ok to drink, this is the same ingredient as bleach (which also can be used to sanitize your drinking water). Now, we have an inground pool and do use chlorine tabs and shock but both have additives such as algecide in it so we would not be using ours for drinking but for bathing, cleaning and flushing. You can buy the plain shock, but I have only seen it in large buckets for over $70, although I understand it is available, I myself have not been able to find it at pool stores except in huge amounts. All the small packets I have seen have the additives in them. Our pool store recommends using the plain shock on tile pools only, no vinyl pools, I did ask because I considered buying that type shock instead of the kind we use, but was told our pool was not deep enough at 5-1/2 feet. I don't know if leaving the water in the sun sanitizes it? All I know is if the pool is not filtered for at least 8 hours a day with chlorine after 2 days it starts getting cloudy (I tested that this week just to see) after that it starts getting really gross. So I know if the electricity goes out then that water source won't last long except for flushing, without taking it out and sanitizing it again. It might go a little longer in cold weather, but then you have to worry about the pipes freezing up with no electricity. We usually keep our pool open year round (heater) but may shut it down this winter in case the electricity goes out. I also plan on collecting rain water, but not counting on this because we went for 5 months without rain earlier in the year and part of last year. I did buy a tarp and have plastic table cloths to somehow rig to capture water into buckets for drinking. Would only use roof runoff for bathing, cleaning since the roof is not clean. Will also wait 5 or 10 minutes before collecting the drinking part of the water to make sure it has less pollution, pollen, etc. in it. The first part of the rain collection will also be for cleaning and flushing.
    
    
    


Posted By: Penham
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 12:49pm
http://www.EPA.gov/safewater - http://www.EPA.gov/safewater

Go to the bottom of page click on link for emergency disinfecting of water for amounts of bleach to use to make safe drinking water.


Posted By: brianages
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 1:10pm
Hello Penham,
 
Great find on the bleach dosage. I copied it to make it easier on the viewers.
 

Chlorine Bleach: When boiling is not practical, chemical disinfection should be used. Common household bleach contains a chlorine compound that will disinfect water. The procedure to be followed is usually written on the label. When the necessary procedure is not given, find the percentage of available chlorine on the label and use the information in the following tabulation as a guide.

Available Chlorine

Drops per Quart of Clear Water

1%

10

4-6%

2

7-10%

1

 

(If strength is unknown, add ten drops per quart of water. Double amount of chlorine for cloudy or colored water or water that is extremely cold.)

The treated water should be mixed thoroughly and allowed to stand, preferably covered, for 30 minutes. The water should have a slight chlorine odor; if not, repeat the dosage and allow the water to stand for an additional 15 minutes. If the treated water has too strong a chlorine taste, it can be made more pleasing by allowing the water to stand exposed to the air for a few hours or by pouring it from one clean container to another several times.

 

 

Chemical treatment: When boiling is not practical, chemical disinfection should be used. The two chemicals commonly used are chlorine and iodine. Chlorine and iodine are somewhat effective in protecting against exposure to Giardia, but may not be effective in controlling Cryptosporidium. Therefore, use iodine or chlorine only to disinfect well water (as opposed to surface water sources such as rivers, lakes, and springs), because well water is unlikely to contain these disease causing organisms. Chlorine is generally more effective than iodine in controlling Giardia, and both disinfectants work much better in warmer water.



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Brian Ages - Tybee Island - GA


Posted By: KOMET163
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 2:02pm
WE have about 150 gallons of water and 1 50 gallon barrel to fill with water when we will go into da BUNKER. we willl have about  200 gallons of water before the end of july and another 55 gallon barrel. WSTF , we will be prepared
 
 


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 6:34pm
I have 6 x 55 gal barrels, and a 350 gal hot tub which is sanitized with hydrogen peroxide 35%. I would still filter this through the Berkley before drinking. My biggest concern is having to hunt for water.  It does rain here, but so far about 2 inches in the last 6 months.


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 8:20pm
Originally posted by Penham Penham wrote:

[snip]You can buy the plain shock, but I have only seen it in large buckets for over $70, although I understand it is available, I myself have not been able to find it at pool stores except in huge amounts. All the small packets I have seen have the additives in them.   
At Walmart I purchsed I believe it's a one pound sack of shock. Our Walmart has a pool section. I'm not sure if it;s plain shock, have to check in the morning.


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 8:40pm
This is from Illinois...  so much differing info.
 
Illinois Dept of Public Health

DISINFECTION OF WATER

The most reliable method for purifying water is to vigorously boil the water for three minutes. This will kill any disease-causing bacteria present in the water. When boiling is not practical, chemical disinfection should be used. Chlorine and iodine are the most commonly used chemical disinfectants.

EMERGENCY DISINFECTION OF WATER

Product
(Example)
Available Chlorine
(Percent)
Stock
Solution
*Quantity of stock
solution to treat
1 Gallon 1,000 Gallons

Bleach 5.25 Full strength 5 drops 1 cup (8 oz.)


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 8:43pm
oh... looks pretty similar (drops) at second glance.  Mostly see 3 mim 5 min 10 min for boiling water.  On our area it's 5 min boiling.


Posted By: Penham
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 9:24pm
Annie, the shock sold at Walmart DOES have additives, that was one of the places I checked in addition to the pool store and KMart and Atwoods. Unless your Walmart sells something different than the two Walmarts here that I have checked at, usually they sell the same thing.


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 9:37pm
Originally posted by Annie Annie wrote:

Originally posted by Penham Penham wrote:

[snip]You can buy the plain shock, but I have only seen it in large buckets for over $70, although I understand it is available, I myself have not been able to find it at pool stores except in huge amounts. All the small packets I have seen have the additives in them.   
At Walmart I purchsed I believe it's a one pound sack of shock. Our Walmart has a pool section. I'm not sure if it;s plain shock, have to check in the morning.
Originally posted by Penham Penham wrote:

Annie, the shock sold at Walmart DOES have additives, that was one of the places I checked in addition to the pool store and KMart and Atwoods. Unless your Walmart sells something different than the two Walmarts here that I have checked at, usually they sell the same thing.
Okay, more research on my part, thank you. I want to be sure I understand before I hit the return lines in the morning. Now, if we're in an emergency situation, we still should NOT drink the Shock with an additive?


Posted By: Penham
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 9:50pm
That I am not totally sure about. If it was me I probably would drink it if it was an emergency, but I would boil and put household bleach to make sure before drinking. Kids swallow pool water and it doesn't make them sick (no kids have ever gotten sick at my pool), and my outdoor cats prefer drinking out of the pool (even though they have bowls of water on the porch) and it doen't make them sick. So I am not sure.


Posted By: Glenn 50
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 11:43pm
Have a 600 gallon tank and a rainfall that averages 60 inches a year. A stream 200 yards away. An inflatable plunge pool of about 500 gallons as well


Posted By: bellabecky
Date Posted: June 12 2006 at 3:35am
Don't have enough, that's for sure. I have the cutie water guy leave a few extra five gallon bottles when he comes, but it's hard to store. I'm going to have to buy some of those collapsable containers to fill at the last minute. Anyone know about them? Any info would be appreciated.   


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 12 2006 at 7:03am
Originally posted by bellabecky bellabecky wrote:

I'm going to have to buy some of those collapsable containers to fill at the last minute. Anyone know about them? Any info would be appreciated.   
 
I haven't bought any but I recall one poster complaining that a couple of ones he bought leaked. So if you buy any, I suggest you test them out now so you can return them to the store if they do leak.


Posted By: tlcpeach
Date Posted: June 12 2006 at 8:26am
I order from zepherhills,  seven 5 gallon bottles per month, plus 2 cases of bottled water per month.

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TLC


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 12 2006 at 8:42am
Originally posted by Irene Irene wrote:

Originally posted by bellabecky bellabecky wrote:

I'm going to have to buy some of those collapsable containers to fill at the last minute. Anyone know about them? Any info would be appreciated.   
 
I haven't bought any but I recall one poster complaining that a couple of ones he bought leaked. So if you buy any, I suggest you test them out now so you can return them to the store if they do leak.
 
Irene, if you're talking about the 5-gallon collapsible containers available at Wal-mart, they do leak a little, but not very much. I filled mine when I first got them about 2 months ago and they're still over 95% full. Have them in the bathtub now and would use them first.


Posted By: TrishaA
Date Posted: June 12 2006 at 8:00pm
Hi brianages........Thank you so much for the information.  I am going to look into it.  Sorry about your neck. How did you break it?

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looking for blue skies in a dust storm


Posted By: redcloud
Date Posted: June 13 2006 at 6:00am
Originally posted by Mary  R Mary R wrote:

but
I am trying to remember a device they had a while back that you could
drop down a deep well by hand and pull up a gallon or so at a time. It
had a ball float that would drop into place to hold the water while you
drew it up.

MaryR,

That device is called a well bucket. I bought one from Lehmans.com:

http://www.lehmans.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=97&itemType=PRODUCT&RS=1&keyword=well+bucket

Red

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If all is not lost, where is it?


Posted By: ImmuneConcerned
Date Posted: June 13 2006 at 7:36am
Researching ways to get water up from a well when power is off, I found the following quotes on this forum.  (I am not sure where all come from but I think at least some is from the solar thread--there is a lot  good information there.)
 
If your well is a deep well:

"found a company that makes a stainless steel hand pumped unit that can be installed next to your regular well casing and will pump water from as far down as 300 feet...even can pump up the pressure in you regular tank so the water will come out the faucets in your house...I was amazed but its expensive...almost 900 dollars

http://www.survivalunlimited.com/waterpumps.htm - http://www.survivalunlimited.com/waterpumps.htm

look at the deep well units............this could mean life or death for someone who has only an electric powered well"

"A hand pump is good for maybe 25 feet. If you water level is deeper than that, then you need a well bucket. No, not the old time wooden bucket, but a long slender metal bucket. You will need to build a rack over the top of the well to hang a pulley. Run rope from bucket thru pulley and you can lower bucket down to water, let it fill, pull up to above ground. There is a finger ring on top of the bucket you pull to release water into a container."

" have heard of the SolarJack pumps that are often used in remote off-grid locations for irrigation or watering lifestock. It's a battery-powered electric pump, the battery is recharged by a solar cell."



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ImmuneConcerned


Posted By: ImmuneConcerned
Date Posted: June 13 2006 at 8:28am
Two recent purchases for for small, portable, easy to use ($100 - $150) water purifing products which I recently purchased on the net are:
 
MIOX PURIFIER  Works by "creating brine out of untreaated fresh water & salt, then passing a small electrical charge through the solution, which resultss in a powerful dosse of mixed oxidants (MIOX).  This 'cocktail' is poured into untreated water, inactivating all viruses, bacterial,glardia, cryptosporidum (which even iodine doesn't kill), and leaving you with safe purified water."   All required that is required to use what seems to be this indestructable device salt in any form, water & sunshine.  The marines use it so I thought it would be good to have on hand in case we need to end up using lake water . . . .
 
SteriPen which "uses short wave germicidal UV light to disinfect waater . . . destroy the DNA within bacterial, viruses . . . ."   This seemed like a good way to make sure questionable (yet relatively clear) water is free of viruses.  It uses baateries & the UV tube (which is suppose to last a while.)  
 
Kr105 from this forum says there is a cheeper way to obtain something like a steripen.  He says:  The SteriPen is a great idea but way overpriced!  I purchased a flourescent light from Walmart $15 then went to  TopBulb.com and purchased the germicidal bulb to go in it $20.  I now have a large uv/germicidal lamp that I turn on once a week for 30 mins in my water storage area.  Make sure you purchase the right size bulb for the lamp (both pin size and length.)  By the way, this only works if your containers are regular water bottles and the light can get thru to the water."
 
 
 


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ImmuneConcerned


Posted By: Mississipp Mama
Date Posted: June 13 2006 at 9:02pm
  Well everybody,I ifinally got my manual well installed Sat.  I went out today to test the well, had to wait a couple of days for the conrete slab to dry arounf it.  Guess what I need to take weight lifting classes, no kidding.  We will be in serious trouble if I don't develop the strength to pump this thing if my husband gets sick.  So off to the gym I go.  I'm hope it gets easier as it gets broken in.  Still glad to have it.  At least it looks good.  I like the color it hunter green.


Posted By: July
Date Posted: June 14 2006 at 5:21am
Originally posted by ImmuneConcerned ImmuneConcerned wrote:

Researching ways to get water up from a well when power is off, I found the following quotes on this forum.  (I am not sure where all come from but I think at least some is from the solar thread--there is a lot  good information there.)
 
If your well is a deep well:

"found a company that makes a stainless steel hand pumped unit that can be installed next to your regular well casing and will pump water from as far down as 300 feet...even can pump up the pressure in you regular tank so the water will come out the faucets in your house...I was amazed but its expensive...almost 900 dollars

http://www.survivalunlimited.com/waterpumps.htm - http://www.survivalunlimited.com/waterpumps.htm

It may be pricey but how much are you going to spend on bottled water. water containers, etc. at least with this you know you can get water no matter what/when the emergency.



Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 14 2006 at 8:22pm

Don't forget to fill the washing machine.  Check bath tub drain plugs now to be sure the seal will hold water long term.



Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 14 2006 at 8:40pm
Originally posted by BoJingles BoJingles wrote:

I plan on raiding my neighbors homes for water. Okay, just kidding! I really dont think we will have a water crisis. Im sure states will mandate that utility workers show up for work. They will be the front lines along with medical workers to receive protective equipment and viral shots. I would be more concerned with power lines going down during the winter months from ice or storms. You could be without power and heat for days.


If you lose power for more than five days the water sanitation is down. They go hand in hand , it might only be three days before the water is no longer safe to drink. What I expect is that it could be staggered power outages and delays in repairs lines.
    


Posted By: fc17
Date Posted: June 14 2006 at 8:52pm
I have my preps in the basement and run a dehumidifier near the prep shelves.  Every day I empty out 1-2 gallons from the holding tank of the dehumidifier.  Now the electricity would have to be on for this to work but I was thinking that a dehumidifier might be a good source for water.

 Problem is I don't know if the water from the dehumidifier would be pure.  


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 14 2006 at 9:34pm
I have 6/55 gallon drums
70/1 gallon bottles of water
20/1 gallon bottles for cleaning
10/24 pks small bottles
20x4 ft. pool
2/55 gallon drums cut for rain water
 
NEVER enough water................Confused


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 14 2006 at 9:38pm
Originally posted by Deanna Deanna wrote:

[QUOTE=BoJingles] I plan on raiding my neighbors homes for water. Okay, just kidding! I really dont think we will have a water crisis. Im sure states will mandate that utility workers show up for work. They will be the front lines along with medical workers to receive protective equipment and viral shots. I would be more concerned with power lines going down during the winter months from ice or storms. You could be without power and heat for days.
 
 
PLEASE check with your water company...most only keep a 5 day supply of chemicals for water treatment.  Sick truck drivers....no chemicals....... equals unsafe water
 
Someone mentioned adding bleach to water storages????  If you water is already treated you do not need to do this.

  


Posted By: nettie4263
Date Posted: June 15 2006 at 6:49am
Originally posted by fc17 fc17 wrote:

I have my preps in the basement and run a dehumidifier near the prep shelves.  Every day I empty out 1-2 gallons from the holding tank of the dehumidifier.  Now the electricity would have to be on for this to work but I was thinking that a dehumidifier might be a good source for water.

 Problem is I don't know if the water from the dehumidifier would be pure.  
 
I believe water from a dehumidifer is pure/distilled.  Don't quote me on that, but that's what I seem to remember hearing.


Posted By: Evangeline
Date Posted: June 15 2006 at 12:35pm
I am a biologist studying (amongst other things) the avian bird flu. There is an excellent video on my website for the forum readers pertaining to safety, handling and the virus itself. This is solid basic information all families should be aware of before the Avian Virus comes to America. And yes, I mean WHEN it comes.
http://www.avianbirdfludefense.com/sitemap.htm - http://www.AvianBirdFluDefense.com/sitemap.htm


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Webster University, Thailand


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 15 2006 at 3:48pm
I'm going to increase water storage some, but I also live near a river, and could decontaminate that.  Then there is rainwater; perhaps I'll get a barrel with filtration unit to fill off the drain pipes.  Some might want to make solar water collectors.  You could dig a hole, cover with a clear plastic sheet weighted in the center with a rock, water condensing would drip into a collecting vessel in the hole.  Cumbersome and slow but would not run out (sorry if you are in a desert area).


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 5:32am
Pakistani water war ends after 14 killed
20 Jun 2006 11:45:12 GMT
Source: Reuters
 

http://www.alertnet.org/redir/righsection_rel_art__thenews_newsdesk_ISL147332_htm/thenews/emergency/ -  

 
http://www.alertnet.org/redir/righsection_rel_art__thenews_newsdesk_ISL147332_htm/thenews/emergency/ -  
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PARACHINAR, Pakistan, June 20 (Reuters) - Bloody clashes between rival Pakistani villagers over scarce water supplies ended on Tuesday when troops were sent to restore order in the region on the Afghan border after 14 people were killed.

Pakistan faces a serious water shortage this year after light rain and snow over the winter. Water rights are a divisive issue in many parts of the country but the clashes in the Kurrum region were the most serious this year over the resource.

Violence erupted on Monday when people of one clan tried to divert water from an irrigation canal to their fields and men from another clan resisted.

The rivals battled with rifles, mortars and rocket-propelled grenades, said the region's administrator, Mohammad Salim Khan.

The government said 14 people had been killed and 35 wounded. A military official who declined to be identified said 22 people had been killed.

"There's a lull now and the tribesmen have started withdrawing from their positions on the mountains," Khan told Reuters.

The ethnic Pashtun communities that lie on both sides of the Pakistani-Afghan border have been traditionally well-armed.

Pakistan has about one fifth less water this year than normal, said an official at the Indus River System Authority, and several crops including rice have been hit hard.

But shortages are only expected to get worse as populations and demand grow. Analysts say water disputes will become more common, not only within communities but between countries.

Pakistan is already in dispute with India over rivers that begin in Indian mountains and flow into Pakistan, and is nervous about possible Afghan plans to dam rivers that flow into Pakistan.

http://www.alertnet.org/ - AlertNet news is provided by http://www.alertnet.org/redir.htm?URL=http://www.reuters.com/">

http://www.alertnet.org/redir/rightsection_emer__thenews_newsdesk_ISL147332_htm/thenews/emergency/ -  

 
 
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http://www.alertnet.org/thefacts/countryprofiles/mappage.htm -  

 

 

 

 
http://www.alertnet.org/thefacts/countryprofiles/mappage.htm -  

http://www.alertnet.org/redir/righsection_rel_art__thenews_newsdesk_ISL147332_htm/thenews/fromthefield/ -  


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Posted By: HoosierMom
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 5:56am
Has anyone ordered calcium hypoch. online, is this a chemical that can legally be shipped?  Sorry if this is a stupid question..Stern Smile


Posted By: Eagles Dancing
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 6:05am

We have the old fashion spring feed well with a hand pump.

My concerns are that the surface water that sometimes runs into the well when we have a big "toad stranger" rain will bring in the virus.

So I plan to boil the water to be sure we are not consuming anything bad.

Springs are all over our farm so we are very blessed with water.  We also have one pond and a lake to get water from if needed.



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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 9:26am
We have a well, but it went dry for a year afew years back during a draught. So, I will not count on it. I have acumulated 16 of 55 gallon food grade barrels and ordered 2 of 35 gallon barrels. We don't live too far from a river (YUK) so in a pinch, we could get water there. I have dry shock put away for later use, when bleach has expired.
 
Edited to add that I purchased a kids pool 10' x 16" on clearance for $7.00 to put out for rain water to wash clothing and what not also.


Posted By: redcloud
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 10:30am
Originally posted by HoosierMom HoosierMom wrote:

Has anyone ordered calcium hypoch. online, is this a chemical that can legally be shipped?  Sorry if this is a stupid question..[IMG]height=17 alt="Stern Smile" src="http://avianflutalk.com/smileys/smiley22.gif" width=17 align=absMiddle>

Not a stupid question!

I bought mine at the local spa dealer. It can probably only be shipped via UPS ground.

Red
    

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Posted By: pugmom
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 10:38am
we're on community water tank--22,000 gallons that supplies about 30 users.  Also have a 1,500 gallon holding tank on our property.  Our holding tank works on gravity, so we are set.  

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Posted By: redcloud
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 10:46am
Originally posted by pugmom pugmom wrote:

we're on community water tank--22,000 gallons that supplies about 30 users.  Also have a 1,500 gallon holding tank on our property.  Our holding tank works on gravity, so we are set.  

That's 733 gallons per person. Do your neighbors have a good concept of water conservation? Is the tank always full?
    

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If all is not lost, where is it?


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 11:39am
Originally posted by HoosierMom HoosierMom wrote:

Has anyone ordered calcium hypoch. online, is this a chemical that can legally be shipped?  Sorry if this is a stupid question..Stern Smile
 
hoosiermom,
I had to go to a pool store, the spa people just laughed at me " we don't sell that because it doesn't go in spas. If it is a spa & pool supply, they may have it. I bought two 1 lb packages. I hope it's the right stuff as it says 65% calcium hypochlorite and 35% other. It doesnt say algeacides tho.


Posted By: 2ifbyC
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 12:45pm
Originally posted by jo007athome jo007athome wrote:

I hope it's the right stuff as it says 65% calcium hypochlorite and 35% other. It doesnt say algeacides tho.
 
You're 'good to go'! Thumbs Up


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Dodging 'canes on Florida's central Gulf Coast


Posted By: HoosierMom
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 12:53pm
Ok so if the calcium hypo = 65%  or higher and other ingred.=35% or greater ( obviously = 100%) and it does not say anything else about algecides that is what we need to make up the liquid mix to treat h2o with ?  I have looked at the label and wasnt sure... What do you think the "other ingred" are-maybe stabilizers or something?  Thanks all sorry I wanted  this spelled out to me.Smile


Posted By: 2ifbyC
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 4:37pm
The 35% is inert.
 
You first make a stock clorine solution. Then you use the SCS to disinfect your drinking water.
 

"Granular Calcium Hypochlorite. Add and dissolve one heaping teaspoon of high-test granular calcium hypochlorite (approximately 1/4 ounce) for each two gallons of water. The mixture will produce a stock chlorine solution of approximately 500 mg/L, since the calcium hypochlorite has an available chlorine equal to ~70 percent of its weight.

 
To disinfect water, add the stock chlorine solution in the ratio of one part of chlorine solution to each 100 parts of water to be treated. This is roughly equal to adding 1 pint (16 oz.) of stock chlorine to each 12.5 gallons of water to be disinfected."


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Survival does have an 'I'!

Dodging 'canes on Florida's central Gulf Coast


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 4:58pm
So, if my math isn't too bad, about 1 1/4 gal of scs to 55 gallons water to make potable?


Posted By: 2ifbyC
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 5:48pm
1 scs to 100 water
 
55 gal water / 100 = .55 gal scs
 
So a heaping tablespoon of calcium hypoclorite will make two gallons of scs which will treat almost 400 gallons of water! Clap That's why I bought only 10 pounds of CH. Wink


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Survival does have an 'I'!

Dodging 'canes on Florida's central Gulf Coast


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 6:39pm
Originally posted by 2ifbyC 2ifbyC wrote:

1 scs to 100 water
 
55 gal water / 100 = .55 gal scs
 
So a heaping tablespoon of calcium hypoclorite will make two gallons of scs which will treat almost 400 gallons of water! Clap That's why I bought only 10 pounds of CH. Wink
 
You are awesome!



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