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Kilt2
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Posted: September 01 2014 at 7:33pm |
He doesn't want any intervention over the Ukraine business.
What a mongrel. Did someone just say nuclear war?A WEEK ago the prospect of nuclear war was a dim memory. Now, Russian President Vladmir Putin has put the nightmare firmly back on the ... |
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Dutch Josh
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We trust that your advisers have kept you informed regarding the crisis in Ukraine from the beginning of 2014, and how the possibility that Ukraine would become a member of NATO is anathema to the Kremlin. According to a February 1, 2008 cable (published by WikiLeaks) from the US embassy in Moscow to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, US Ambassador William Burns was called in by Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, who explained Russia’s strong opposition to NATO membership for Ukraine.
Lavrov warned pointedly of "fears that the issue could potentially split the country in two, leading to violence or even, some claim, civil war, which would force Russia to decide whether to intervene." Burns gave his cable the unusual title, "NYET MEANS NYET: RUSSIA’S NATO ENLARGEMENT REDLINES," and sent it off to Washington with IMMEDIATE precedence. Two months later, at their summit in Bucharest NATO leaders issued a formal declaration that "Georgia and Ukraine will be in NATO." Just yesterday, Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseny Yatsenyuk used his Facebook page to claim that, with the approval of Parliament that he has requested, the path to NATO membership is open. Yatsenyuk, of course, was Washington’s favorite pick to become prime minister after the February 22 coup d’etat in Kiev. "Yats is the guy," said Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland a few weeks before the coup, in an intercepted telephone conversation with US Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt. You may recall that this is the same conversation in which Nuland said, "***** the EU." |
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Dutch Josh
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It would be wise if Ukraine would become some sort of federation. About 40% of the population is "Russian-oriented". This civil war (even though just like Syria that name is incorrect) has no winners except a small group of elite that is financing this war and organizing divide-and-rula games all over the planet. Allready close to a million refugees from the Ukraine on top of other problems and winter on its way is asking for serious health issues on a global scale. Just for the benefit of a few very wealthy criminals.
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who's the mongrel?
Just imagine this: Your next door neighbor who had been a good mate for the last thirty years. You share a beer over the occasional bbq. You casually wave when leaving for work in the morning. Your wife shares cooking tips and generally you have a good sound relationship with. Now imagine that that wonderful neighbor is forceful evicted from their house. They are replaced with an abusive arssehole who constantly throws beer bottles over the fence. His kids constantly threaten yours and they stop you from leaving your property of frequent occasions. You are now trapped in your own house..... What are you going to do about it???
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Dutch Josh
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If Ukraine has to become a NATO-member, were will it end (and why) ? Should Azerbedjan become a NATO-member ? Pakistan ? Or Saudi Arabia "defend democracy" in NATO ? Claiming that Russia is agrssive is in contrast with the facts; it is NATO knocking on the door of Russia (and China, Iran) not Russia on the US-Mexico-border !
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Wrong again, America hater. NATO was formed to protect Western nations against the aggressive, unpredictable, and expansionist Soviet Union. Just because the Cold War is over doesn't mean that the NATO shouldn't exist.
Ukraine will not become a NATO member at this time. Countries such as Pakistan or Saudi Arabia would never be included in NATO...geez, read your history, or do they not teach facts in the Netherlands? I'm glad that NATO exists (as is Europe I would imagine, especially today), and I see no problem with NATO expanding it's borders to include any and all European nations who wish to become members. Russia's new Cold War tactics need to be watched, and European nations, especially Eastern European nations, should be protected against Russia. Russia has become the new playground bully, and needs to be stopped. |
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Iraq Has WMDs and Russia Has Invaded http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/09/iraq-wmds-russia-invaded.html |
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Dutch Josh
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@inthesticks, I find you offending, I am not an "America hater". Please show some manners !
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What do psychotic power hungry leaders do when they feel threatened and desperate? They will stop at nothing to maintain power.. even if it means putting his own life in jeopardy.
I've been feeling that we are in the beginning stages of WWIII for awhile now. It's not just the Russia/Ukranian thing, but other factors. There is major global instability and unrest. Seems to be the trend lately and seems to be the beginnings of WWIII. I hope I'm wrong. I certainly hope I'm wrong. |
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The best solution is to divided the country and let the eastern half join Russia and the western half join NATO. A country divided is no good for anyone.
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Obama is weak and Putin knows it he will get the Ukraine and more if he wants it.
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Dutch Josh
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Some economics claim that, at long last, war would be good for economics. A sort of kick-start to get the economy growing again. I think the price is getting to high, the risks to great, to consider this kind of "kick-start".
Less then 1% of the world population claims to own allready over 80% of things to own in this world. And that 1% wants more. To try to get more by fighting other elite members (in w.w.1 3 grandsons of queen Victoria, ruling Russia, Germany and the UK did have a familyproblem) or by trying to get parts of the 20% the do not yet have. Since 1800 the worldpopulation has exploded, humans became almost a monoculture what makes humans vulnurable for all kind of disease. The timeperiod since 1800 may have been exceptional good for humans. The http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age did bring foodcrises, the industrial revolution did bring population growth. But to put it in biblical terms, after seven good years there might come seven bad years for wich one should be prepared. A large healthcrisis like the present ebola-crisis was something one could expect. Plagues show up from time to time in human history. Wars are also a returning visitor. Combining them is a bad idea!
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