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Online Discussion: Tracking new emerging diseases and the next pandemic; Now tracking the Aussie Flu.

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Amthyst:  My suggestion, read all you can about Sambucol and then decide for yourself what would be the best use for it.  Curcumin in capsules are sold at any health food, vitamins, supplement store, if you want to add turmeric to your meals, I believe IMO, it be  might a plus seriuosly doubt it will hurt.   Green tea can be purchased in various forms, in order to get the most benefit read back of the supplement box.  From my experience using other teas vs capsules, I have found that tea enters my system quicker, pehaps for convenience pill form attracts quite a few people.
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I would investigate and consider the use of pharmecutical grade Omega-3
fish oil in addition to other things - not terribly expensive. Lots of abstracts
in medline, just search for cytokine and omega-3. It and Glucosamine keep
my knees from going snap crackle and pop, since I had some cartilage
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Thanks, Calendula.  I actually have been buying more ethnic-type organic food lately, such as Indian, so I've been eating curry at least a couple of times a week.  I also like green tea and drink it on a regular basis several times a week.  

I've been eating flax seed from time to time, which I have read also has Omega-3.  I'll check up on fish oil supplements.  I eat fish quite a bit too -- salmon and shrimp.

 

 

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Good for you!  and good luck.! .let me know if you have any questions.
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Originally posted by Enumclaw,WA Enumclaw,WA wrote:

The problem is we don't know what is going to work. I guess I should have said could instead of should. I am going to try these. (So far) Maybe others too.
All I know is not sambucol unless Something really changes my mind. My oppinion.

Vitamin C
Vitamin E
Turmeric 95% CURCUMIN.
Piperine
Resveratrol
omega-3 fish oil
Garlic oil
Green tea.
Zinc
Selenium
Glucosamine
 
My list is very similar to yours.   In addition, I plan on having a good supply of Vitamin D capsules on hand.  I haven't seen too much info on Vit. D for flu but what there is is very interesting and there seems to be very little downside in taking extra D for a short while.  (long term, there might be overdose issues to consider). Here's a post about D on this site
 
More D info -
 
 
D3 research
 
 
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I asked my osteopathic doctor about elderberries, given that I have fibomyalgia and arthritis and my immune system is already out of whack. He agreed that this is Not something I should take. He approved of the green tea and omega-3's. We didn't have much time, so I will get more info next time I see him. He did tell me that with pneumonia, one needs to cough, that I should not take a cough suppressant during the day, only at night so I could rest for awhile. He told me that in 1918, the osteopathic doctors had a higher patient survival rate because they did not use meds to lower the fever, they used ice. Can't remember what else he said about how they treated patients. I'll get more info on that next time I see him and take some notes. I did ask him to write me a treatment plan on how to take care of myself if I get this stuff. Will post it when I get it from him. I started a thread on Master Flu Tonic. I asked the doc about that too, and he approved. He said it was really good for clearing mucus from the lungs.
More later when I get more info.
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Elderberries and the flu and why i am going to take Sambucol
 
This is just my thoughts on what i have read both pro and con.  My understanding is that elderberries increas the body defense systems but on the other had it "disarms" the virus.  The deaths seem to be from a viral overload of the system kicking the body into high overdirve to get rid of it and in the process, killing the host.  If i have nothing else in my arsenal to go against this beast other than some herbs, vitamins and OTC meds i stand little chance of reducing the viral load, unless one of the doses of items has some property i am unaware of that will save me.  I have decided to opt for the destruction of the virus in the hope that it will be reduced enough to stall an immune system in "overdrive".  It is a gamble with either choice and i know Tamiflu works by not allowing the virus to exit the human cell and elderberry works by not allowing the virus to enter the cell.  Six of one and half a dozen of the other.  A heavy viral load is likely to kill me so reducing the viral load (to me) is more important than worrying about the increase strength of my immune system.   
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We're planning on taking it too Ironstone.  Same reaons you mentioned above. 

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thank you enumclaw for a great list

 

i'd like to know which you recommend for treatment, and which for prevention ?

also, what about oregano oil?  any reason it was not on the list?
 
to get back on topic, sambucol is not for me
 
and one last question, and i'll throw it open to all: what about my 2 kids, both under 3 - how does their age impact on the cytokene storm?  my guess, and certainly my hope, is that young kids would have similar advantages to the older population. 
 
any informed opinions on this?
 
thanks again to enumclaw and to all the rest for all of this great information!

 

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For Prevention I'm taking right now
Vitamin C
Vitamin E
When it comes to my area I'm adding
Zinc
omega-3 fish oil
The rest I will save incase someone in family gets sick.
Hopefully we will recieve information on this board on what is working and what is not. Let's hope none of us get's sick.Approve
 
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Some of you may want to research Mullein, Fish Flax Borage, and NAC .  There are abstracts on line that will give you information.  I have those in my preps also.  Plus a fish antibiotic.
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Originally posted by Ironstone Ironstone wrote:

Some of you may want to research Mullein, Fish Flax Borage, and NAC .  There are abstracts on line that will give you information.  I have those in my preps also.  Plus a fish antibiotic.
 
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Can you elaborate on which fish antibiotic you purchased--why, the name of th eproduct, and dosage.  TIA
 
 
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Natures Bounty is the brand but i got it at a common drugstore.  It is a combo of Fish, Flax and Borage.  Read somewhere on line (best you research for yourself so your satisfied) that it was used in some hospitals to help patients with lung problems.  Supposed to strengthen the lungs ability to deal with illness.
 
Sorry, misread that...have Fishmycin.  The information on line suggests it may well have some anti-viral properties as well as antibacterial.  250 mg ea.....have a dosage at 2,000 a day but still researching the dosage.  I also have Tetracyline at 500 a day.
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I HAVE TAKEN FISH ANTIBIOTICS MYSELF A COUPLE OF TIMES AND IT IS THE SAME AS HUMAN STUFF
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hi all.... this thread has been quiet for a while.   Tea4two... I also have an osteopathic Doctor... very happy with him, we need more.   he is wise to tell you this ...so it is worth repeating-
 
 
He did tell me that with pneumonia, one needs to cough, that I should not take a cough suppressant during the day, only at night so I could rest for awhile.
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we had a 3 week virus.   After I used the cough drops...fishermans friend...It made me cough and I hurt so to cough...but after I felt so much better.  I did not take a cough supressant.  vicks did help at night after a steamy shower (some ill people should use a shower chair) and a warm tea.  never hot.  also patting on the chest and back breaks things up.  I used plurisy root extract when the chest felt very heavey...for about 5 days, 3 droppers in a water bottle....2-3 times a day.   People should ask their Doc about dosage and if it is ok to mix certain drugs...also pharmacists are good to ask about interactions.   I do both.
 
 
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