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    Posted: March 30 2016 at 11:51pm
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-30/why-did-911-commission-not-follow-money-lars-schall

The Bush family is friends with the Bin Laden family. The NSA can follow money transactions worldwide since 1981. 

“In his book Intelligence Matters (2004), Senator Bob Graham, co-chair of the
Congressional Inquiry into 9/11, discusses the contents of a top secret CIA memo dated 2nd August 2002 about two 9/11 hijackers, Khalid Almihdhar and Nawaf Alhazmi. The CIA memo concluded that there is ’incontrovertible evidence that there is support for these terrorists within the Saudi government.’

The 28 page section of the Congressional report including discussion of the CIA memo was classified, but some of its contents were leaked, and related issues revealed in press reports. Early in 2000, when Almidhar and Alhazmi arrived at Los Angeles airport, they were picked up by a fellow Saudi, Omar al-Bayoumi, who gave them $1,500 in cash, moved them into his apartment building, and helped them apply for flight school. Al-Bayoumi worked for Dallah Avco, a Saudi-based airline chaired by Prince Bandar’s father, Prince Sultan bin Abdulaziz. The firm is a major contractor for the Saudi Ministry of Defense and Aviation.

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http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/03/29/video-saudi-arabia-uncovered/ 

Veterans Today did put a link to a recent UK-ITV documentary about Saudi Arabia. Now "king"Salman, than "prince"Salman visited in 2000 an "aid organization" In Bosnia Herzagovina (former Yugoslavia). That aid organazition is linked to financing a.o. the (mostly Saudi) hijackers of 9/11


The UK group Reopen 9/11 reports:

A mainstream news outlet in the UK has given unprecedented coverage to the 9/11 truth issue.

The Sunday Express interviewed Matt Campbell – who is seeking a new investigation into the death of his brother in the 9/11 attacks – under the headline Brother of Briton murdered during 9/11 attacks calls for inquest to be re-opened.The report in the Express emphasised the lack of hard evidence produced to support the official account of how suicide hijackers took America by surprise and flew two planes into the World Trade Center and a third into Pentagon.

In this interview, Matt Campbell discusses his progress towards getting an inquest into the death of his brother Geoff, who is believed to have been on the 106th floor of the North Tower when it was explosively demolished on September 11th, 2001.

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http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/643797/Brother-Briton-murdered-Twin-towers-terror-attacks-inquest-reopened

The 9/11 story reminds me of the MH17 dossier http://www.voltairenet.org/article190874.html

There is a "big gap" between the official story and what people later find out. 
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Because Saudi Arabia did sign the international non-proliferiation treaty of nuclear weapons  http://www.un.org/disarmament/WMD/Nuclear/NPT.shtml "king"Salman claims the new nuclear weapons as his own property. 


(Some good background info on how the house of Saud came to power (including Lawrence of Arabia in W.W.1 see http://europe.newsweek.com/meet-saudi-prince-counter-terrorism-334078?rm=eu. During the beginning of the 19th century when Europe was dealing with Napoleon the Saudi's gained a large part of the Ottoman empire-comparable to IS. Newsweek did "mis" Lawrence of Arabia, KSA's role in Syria etc.)
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Having personally spoken to a woman who was in communication with one of the terrorists on the plane before the 9-11 bombing, there was no hint of or suggestion that Saudi Arabia was in any way connected with this. All efforts were made to notify intelligence community and government of the impending attack by her and no one would do anything.

With all the speculation and guessing as to what happened, we also were talking to people that were there as well as I was invited to travel and be part of the operation to treat and recover survivors. I did not go, although the pay offered and benefits were huge.

One fireman I knew died during a rescue operation and in the entire matter - so many questions remain as to a bomb on board the plane - as well as the "creation" of the Al Queda (toilet bowl in Arabic) organization to give them something to prosecute versus and  individual points to the fact it is unlikely this was an organized attack but rather executed by a small group and was later taken credit for by groups rather than caused by them.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fakealqaeda.php#axzz44aT4zTde


The Al Queda (Usama Bin Laden) was not interested in attacking the U.S. They were interested and formed to attack Chechnya and support the rebels.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/04/chechnya-primer-090326

More to be said here - but why would the Saudis orchestra an attack on America one of their biggest oil customers? Does that make any sense?

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Med; good question, why would KSA want to destroy "the west"that is buying Arab oil ? Is it only religion ? I will try to find an answer and "re-edit" it here. 

Proberbly KSA and some groups in the west share the same goals; the get rich themselves for some, to spread wahabi-islam for others. Always follow the money, if it is spend on arms or "religion".

A major terrorist attack will effect prices for oil, gold, stocks etc. so when you want "to use terror" for speculation you combine the pre-knowledge of the terror-acts with investments. 


The story that 9/11 "opened the door" for "several wars on terror" is also valid in my opinion. 
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Originally posted by Dutch Josh Dutch Josh wrote:

Med; good question, why would KSA want to destroy "the west"that is buying Arab oil ? Is it only religion ? I will try to find an answer and "re-edit" it here. 

Proberbly KSA and some groups in the west share the same goals; the get rich themselves for some, to spread wahabi-islam for others. Always follow the money, if it is spend on arms or "religion".

A major terrorist attack will effect prices for oil, gold, stocks etc. so when you want "to use terror" for speculation you combine the pre-knowledge of the terror-acts with investments. 


The story that 9/11 "opened the door" for "several wars on terror" is also valid in my opinion. 


There are multiple issues here one of them being some documentation of the West creating Isis. Most certainly there are some compelling facts that point to the creation of the Al Queda and events going back to Air America where they financed rebels to control countries.

A great deal of it is "all about money" and in many cases "all about oil."  It is unlikely we would have soldiers dressed up in chemical suits trying to endure 140 degree temperatures in Iraq to keep America free.

Many good men and women are willing to die for their country - but they are not willing to die for the oil industry which we should have opted out of decades ago.  Saudi Arabia is in the thick of it and without oil sales - or even oil at a decent price - would face a crashing economy.

Although there is a lot of saber rattling on "China Island" with skirmishes and bone waving would China profit from destroying the U.S. which is one of its biggest customers and the the trade deficit and the amount they control our company and countries economy is appalling.

It is likely the Saudis have had nuclear missiles for more than two years and Iran is more building up its military not to fight Israel but them.

Look forward to seeing more data on this. We know they have sent troops to support and invasion of Turkey. Turkey does have the nukes and beyond who really caused 9-11 is who may cause World War III.

There were stories of Israeli camera crews set up on a nearby building who filmed the 9-11 disaster. It is very likely people knew it was coming and ignored the efforts of a few to warn them. 9-11 justified the placement of programs and software to "protect the U.S. from terrorism" that has decimated all semblance of privacy.

Recently we are seeing a selective ignoring of new nations joining the Nuke club such as India and Pakistan. Now Japan could be the next or South Korea. Non-proliferation is just that.

Finally, many have suggested the whole 9-11 was staged so that government could pass laws and spy on us more than ever before to "stop terrorism". 

It was a wake-up call that if we don't get our act together on foreign policy and getting tough in the Middle East - far worse than 9-11 will happen simultaneously all across the U.S. in a single day.

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Saudi does indeed have nukes, Med - they contributed up to 60% of the cost of Pakistan's nuclear weapons program, presumably with the understanding that they would be made available to them should the need ever arise. They're also said to have given $5 billion to Iraq during Saddam Hussein's rule to fund their nuclear program, with the ultimate goal being useable weapons technology.

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http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/03/31/has-russia-now-salvaged-europe.html



The episode frightened the royal family into moving even closer to the Wahhabi establishment, slowing reform, and stepping up support for militant Islamic causes in other countries. In particular, the Saudis—with much help from the United States—armed and otherwise supported the Afghan mujahedeen fighting the Soviet invasion of their homeland during the years 1979-89.
The current King Salman, who was then governor of Riyadh, was put in charge of raising private funds for the mujahedeen from the royal family and other wealthy Saudis. He funneled tens of millions of dollars to the mujahedeen, and later did the same for Muslim causes in Bosnia and Palestine. Later, when Osama bin Laden founded al-Qaida, Nayef was conspicuously slow to recognize that al-Qaida posed a threat to the kingdom. He had become friendly with bin Laden during the Russian-Afghan war when bin Laden was allied with the mujahedeen, and viewed him as being exclusively focused on defeating the Soviets. Nayef believed al-Qaida’s reputation as a terrorist organization was a product of American propaganda and was sure that al-Qaida posed no real threat to the kingdom—a delusion he had in common with much of the royal family.
When George Tenet, director of the Central Intelligence Agency, and other senior American intelligence officials warned Nayef that al-Qaida had created an extensive underground infrastructure inside the kingdom, he was skeptical, largely because he had long been suspicious of the United States’ motives in the region. As President Clinton’s Middle East advisor I dealt extensively with Nayef during this period. He was cordial but often uncooperative. When Shiite terrorists bombed the U.S. Air Force base at the Khobar Towers in Dhahran in 1996, killing 19 airmen, Nayef was reluctant to share with the Americans information on the perpetrators and their links to Iran. He claimed to fear that Washington would use the information to justify military action against Iran, which would drag the kingdom into a war. But I felt the deeper reason was that he was, essentially, anti-American.
Nayef continued to ignore warnings about al-Qaida for years. But the threat would eventually become impossible to ignore, and it would be none other than Nayef’s own son, MBN, who would lead the battle against it.
Then came 9/11, and the news that 15 of the hijackers aboard the planes that were downed in the U.S. were Saudis. But minds were slow to change even then. As late as December 2002 Nayef, like many in the royal family, was still not convinced that al-Qaida had a base within the kingdom’s borders, insisting that the Saudi hijackers were “dupes in a Zionist plot”—despite the fact that, according to Saudi sources, two of them had earlier been involved in the plot to attack Gore.
On February 14, 2003—the Muslim holy day of Eid al-Adha—bin Laden’s intentions in Saudi Arabia became unmistakably clear. He issued an audio message titled “Among a Band of Knights,” accusing the House of Saud of betraying the Ottoman Empire in the First World War to the British and Zionists. And now the royal family, he said, was turning over the mosques and other holy places to the American Crusaders and secretly colluding in a plot with “Jews and Americans” to betray Palestine and create a “Greater Israel” in the region. Predicting that American air bases in the kingdom would be used to launch part of the invasion of Iraq that he said was imminent, he called the Saudi royals and their allies in Kuwait, Bahrain, and Qatar “quislings.”
(DJ-according to this story until 2003 the "house of Saud" underestimated Al Quada-further on it gets clear how Al Qaeda prisoners are treated.)
The Ministry of the Interior today runs five special high security prisons with some 3,500 prisoners, almost all former al-Qaida operatives, where the goal is not incarceration but rehabilitation. The prisoners are showered with perks, can receive visits from their relatives and are even allowed to go to weddings and funerals with supervision; their families get special allowances from the government for better housing, medical care, and education. The objective is to make the former terrorists’ families take responsibility for their sons’ future. The theory is that if the family feels it has a stake in the rehabilitation of their wayward children, it will take on the job of convincing them of the error of their ways.
The extent of government repression of all forms of dissent has rightly raised new questions about the wisdom of close relations between the House of Saud and the U.S. and other Western democracies. The Economist has called for an end to business as usual with the kingdom and a more robust approach to encouraging transparency and accountability in Saudi politics. In an editorial just after Salman became King entitled “An Unholy Pact,” The Economist wrote that “the Wahhabism they [the Saudis] nurture endangers not just the outside world, but the dynasty itself” by encouraging extremism.(DJ, on the Yemen-war)
Meanwhile, the Saudi blockade is creating a humanitarian catastrophe for the 25 million Yemenis, and the war has been a net gain for al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula. With the Saudis fighting the Houthis, much of eastern Yemen has become even more lawless than usual, allowing al-Qaida to take control of large parts of the Hadramawt province in the southeast, where bin Laden’s father and family had lived before emigrating to the kingdom in the 1930s.
(DJ-on reforms)
But Washington should have no illusions that MBN will take Western advice to reform the kingdom. Saudi Arabia makes no bones about being the leading opponent of everything the Arab Spring stood for when it began in 2011 and everything that so many in the West were cheering for. The Saudis helped engineer the 2013 coup in Egypt that restored military rule to the largest Arab country and dealt the Arab Spring a fatal blow. They are skilled counterterrorists, but they are also accomplished and unabashed counterrevolutionaries.




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The Newsweek-Brookings story suggest ignorence by the Saudi royals. Zero Hedge goes further, following the money and indicating now "king" Salman in 2000 was in contact with groups around the 9/11 hijackers and funding them. This is also suggested by the VT/ITV story. 

Religious fanatism seems to be the main reason. Accepting US bases in Saudi Arabia at that time was a part of the price KSA was willing to accept for selling oil. It was also welcome as protection against Iran. But for religious reasons the US "unbelievers" on holy Saudi-protectors of Islam-ground was unacceptable. 

In a schizophrenic way this double headed politics made "groups within Saudi royalty and their wahabist clerics" make it possible to increase the price of oil by 9/11-support. 

For some in the west that was acceptable because it would provide excuses to move into Afghanistan,Iraq, Libya, Syria (and ultimately into Iran, Russia). 
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From the Zero Hedge/Lars Schall-story:

“In his book Intelligence Matters (2004), Senator Bob Graham, co-chair of the
Congressional Inquiry into 9/11, discusses the contents of a top secret CIA memo dated 2nd August 2002 about two 9/11 hijackers, Khalid Almihdhar and Nawaf Alhazmi. The CIA memo concluded that there is ’incontrovertible evidence that there is support for these terrorists within the Saudi government.’

The 28 page section of the Congressional report including discussion of the CIA memo was classified, but some of its contents were leaked, and related issues revealed in press reports. Early in 2000, when Almidhar and Alhazmi arrived at Los Angeles airport, they were picked up by a fellow Saudi, Omar al-Bayoumi, who gave them $1,500 in cash, moved them into his apartment building, and helped them apply for flight school. Al-Bayoumi worked for Dallah Avco, a Saudi-based airline chaired by Prince Bandar’s father, Prince Sultan bin Abdulaziz. The firm is a major contractor for the Saudi Ministry of Defense and Aviation.

 

In the following months, al-Bayoumi and his associates received regular cashier’s cheques of around $2,000 a month, totaling tens of thousands of dollars. These came from Prince Bandar and his wife, Princess Haifa bin Faisal. Both Bandar and his wife claimed the money was donated for charitable purposes (one payment track was made after one of al-Bayoumi’s associates requested assistance from the Saudi embassy for thyroid treatment), and that they had no idea it was being diverted to fund the 9/11 hijackers.

After 9/11, British authorities questioned al-Bayoumi in London about the Saudi money trail to bin Laden’s hijackers. They had discovered secret papers with the private phone numbers of senior Saudi government officials concealed beneath the floorboards of his flat in London. The investigation went nowhere: al-Bayoumi was soon released, and disappeared into Saudi Arabia.” (14)

Fact is, you won’t find this addressed in any way in the final report of the 9/11 Commission. The same is true when it comes to the allegations against a man by the name of Omar Sheikh Saeed. Why should anybody bother about this man?


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“In his memoirs, In the Line of Fire, Gen. Musharraf revealed that Omar Sheikh Saeed was a MI6 agent who had executed certain missions on behalf of the British intelligence agency, before travelling to Pakistan and Afghanistan where he met Osama bin laden and Mullah Omar. Sheikh Saeed was first recruited by MI6 while at the London School of Economics, recounts Musharraf. The agency persuaded him to join anti-Serb demonstrations during the Bosnia conflict, and later sent him to Kosovo to join the jihad. Musharraf argues that at some point, Saeed likely became ’a rogue or double agent.’

Musharraf’s claims are no doubt self-serving, deflecting from the widely-reported fact that Sheikh Saeed was an ISI asset. But they chime with other facts in the public record. Former US Justice Department prosecutor John Loftus, for instance, who held top secret national security clearances, has confirmed that MI6 was working with leaders of the now banned British group al-Muhajiroun?—?Omar Bakri Mohammed, Abu Hamza and Haroon Rashid Aswat (who would later become bin Laden’s bodyguard)?—?to recruit British Muslims to fight in Kosovo in 1996.
Sheikh Saeed would have been part of that MI6-backed funnel. Others in Musharraf’s government were convinced that Sheikh Saeed was also a CIA asset. In a little-noted article on Saeed’s murky background in March 2002, the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review reported that: ’There are many in Musharraf’s government who believe that Saeed Sheikh’s power comes not from the ISI, but from his connections with our own CIA.’ Officials believe that ’Saeed Sheikh was bought and paid for.’” (15) At the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), Brigadier Ijaz Shah, the former Director-General of Intelligence Bureau of Pakistan, was “the handler for Omar Saeed Sheikh, who was involved in the kidnapping of Wall Street Journal journalist Daniel Pearl in 2002”, reported Pakistani security specialist Arif Jamal. “Omar Saeed Sheikh surrendered to Brigadier Shah who hid him for several weeks before turning him over to authorities.” (16)

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“Brig. Shah’s connection to Omar Sheikh Saeed is deeply troubling. Sheikh Saeed was not simply accused of murdering Daniel Pearl?—?he was al-Qaeda’s finance chief during the 9/11 attacks. After 9/11, Indian intelligence officials confirmed that then ISI director Gen. Mahmoud Ahmad had ordered Omar Saeed to wire at least $100,000 to the chief 9/11 hijacker, Mohammed Atta. As I documented in my books The War on Truth (2005) and The War on Freedom (2002), which was among 99 books selected for the 9/11 Commissioners to use as part of their inquiries, multiple US intelligence investigations corroborated the Indian allegations. US authorities had further confirmed that Sheikh Saeed had wired as much as $500,000 if not more to several of the 9/11 hijackers?—?all at the behest of the ISI. Despite this, US authorities took no measures to designate or extradite either Sheikh Saeed or his ISI boss, Mahmoud Ahmad. As former British Cabinet Minister Michael Meacher observed: ‘It is extraordinary that neither Ahmad nor Sheikh have been charged and brought to trial on this count [of financing 9/11]. Why not?’” (17) And John Newman, “a former executive assistant to the director of the NSA who spent 20 years in the US Army Intelligence and Security Command, pointed out that despite Sheikh Saeed’s kidnapping of British citizens and related terror offenses, he faced no indictments from the US or Britain, and was even able to travel back to London in January 2000. He had also kidnapped American citizens, but faced no indictments from the US until after 9/11.

‘Did the United States not indict Saeed Sheikh because he was a British informant? Did the agency [CIA] receive information provided by Saeed Sheikh from British or Pakistani intelligence?’ asked Newman rhetorically at a 2005 Congressional briefing on the findings of the 9/11 Commission Report.

‘This would help explain why Saeed Sheikh was not indicted and escaped justice for his crimes and traveled freely around England… If the foregoing analysis has any merit, Western intelligence agencies were receiving reports from a senior al-Qaeda source. Once again, however, al-Qaeda had used Western intelligence to accomplish its own mission. Saeed Sheikh was probably a triple agent.’ Ahmed Omar Sheikh Saeed’s role in the 9/11 attacks on behalf of the head of the ISI, Newman noted, was completely ignored by the 9/11 Commission Report.“ (18)

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DJ: small intervention in a complex story:

1. An employee of a Saudi Prince picked up some of the 9/11 hijackers gave them mony, arranged flying lessons etc. The prince claims he did not know that but all together it must have involved over 100.000 US$ ? That employee hides papers under his London's appartment floor with contact phonenumbers of  senior Saudi officials but nothing is done with it. 

2. The former Pakistan president/dictator Musharraf in his memoirs writes of a person, Sheikh Saeed, that is the financial topman of Al Quada, but also working for MI6, ISI (Pakistan secret service-sponsor of Taliban) and CIA. That person worked for MI6 in 1996 to send UK muslims to fight for UCK in Kosovo (against Serbia-and Russia). That same person was involved in 2002 in the kidnapping and murder on Daniel Pearl.

3. ISI did send over 500.000 US$via Sheikh Saeed to the 9/11 hijackers. That person at that moment was working for Al Qaeda, ISI, MI6 and CIA ???? (The money also can be linked to KSA ? In this story it ends with Pakistan giving lots of money to the 9/11 hijackers. Based on a report from India. The US needed Musharraf because the alternative would be even more extreme.)

My (DJ) conclusion: The hijackers mostly came from KSA, a country with a wahabist radical islamic agenda. Those hijackers got aid from KSA-royal employees for large amounts of money. The hijackers were linked to a Saudi/CIA group under Osama-bin-Laden. That other intelligence groups (MI6, CIA, ISI, Mossad) played a role does not change the fact that 9/11 was the outcome of a proces that is fully linked to KSA.  The 9/11 attacks served western plans for intervention in the Middle East. 

In history there were several key-events with big consequenses (Pearl Harbour, Gulf of Ton Kin, etc) in which the public was misinformed about what realy happened. The 9/11 story is one more on that long list.

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Some more links between King Salman and terror-groups :







The links between terrorism and the Saudi royals goes back to the 80s, but that did not stop the west from selling weapons to the KSA. 

Since a few months it is more or less "accepted" that king Salman-who did finance Al Quada, has his own private nuclear weapons (via Pakistan). 

There is a conference in Washington D.C. on how to keep nuclear weapons away from terrorgroups. Mr. Obama is worried on the possibility that IS may get nuclear weapons. If IS (or any other islamic-wahabist group) get that kind of weapons the number 1 suspect at the moment in King Salman. 
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-04-11/was-saudi-arabia-behind-911-these-28-pages-have-answer

"For now only a handful of people know for sure: those who have seen the contents of the 28 classified pages. And here are some notable quotes by those that have actually read these 28 pages:

I think it is implausible to believe that nineteen people, most of whom didn't speak English, most of whom had never been in the United States before, many of whom didn't have a high school education, could have carried out such a complicatd task without some support from within the United States.


Interviewer: You believe that support came from Saudi Arabia
Grahm: Substantially
Interviewer: When you say the Saudis you mean the government, rich people in the country, charities
Grahm: All of the above


You can't provide the money for terrorists and then say I don't have anything to do with what they were doing.

In general, the 9/11 commission did not get every single detail of the conspiracy. We didn't have the time, we didn't have the resources. And we certainly didn't pursue the entire line of inquiry in regards to Saudi Arabia.

The papers are currently locked in a guarded vault beneath the Capitol called a Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility (SCIF). Very few people have access to these sites, and visitors are now allowed to bring in cameras or recording devices."

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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-04-16/saudi-arabia-threatens-us-it-will-liquidate-its-treasury-holdings-if-congress-passes

In other words, the logic is that if the US pursues a full-blown inquiry into the Saudi role behind 9/11, the US itself would be subject to a comparable stripping of immunity - with respect to alleged U.S. terrorist attacks - and "create a terrible precedent." In effect, the US government is defending its position by saying that if one can get to the bottom of Saudi terrorism in the U.S., the world may next learn about U.S. terrorism across the globe.

And that just can't be allowed to happen.



Adel al Jubeir, the Saudi foreign minister, delivered the kingdom’s message personally last month during a trip to Washington, telling lawmakers that Saudi Arabia would be forced to sell up to $750 billion in treasury securities and other assets in the United States before they could be in danger of being frozen by American courts

“It’s stunning to think that our government would back the Saudis over its own citizens,” said Mindy Kleinberg, whose husband died in the World Trade Center on Sept. 11 and who is part of a group of victims’ family members pushing for the legislation.
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the Saudi threat to dump US treasuries is ,IN FACT, a full admission of GUILT
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