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SECONDARY PNEUMONIA FROM SEVERE FLU

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Albert,

I'm rather perturbed.  After calling my doctor's office twice this week, I was assured that I could just walk in without a doctor visit or appointment and the nurse would give the pneumo shot. I stopped smoking on Thanksgiving, gained weight and became the Incredible Bulk. (My doctor reprimands anyone for gaining weight and I wanted to avoid his disapproval).  I took off from work early today and when I got there, they said I had to see the doctor because I previously had a pneumo shot years ago (by the Visiting Nurse Association at work) and it should have been done in his office instead.  I'm so angry now because the doctor office is booked solid.  Just out of curiousity, when one visits a clinic, will they accept all incoming patients or is it based on need.  Now I'm willing to pay the US$100 just to get the shot again but it seems that the providers are so reluctant to give it. 

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Just walk in, fill out the 3 forms of paper work, and that's it.   They always have you do the new paper work so that they can get you into their system.  Then, they call you in and wam bam - well, you know the rest .....  

This is how clinics make money and why they're in business.   They love selling vaccinations. That's their bread and butter.  You will never find a medical walkin clinic arguing with you lol.   They will gladly rush you in for the shot.    Just pull into one of those many clinics that you drive by every day, and just pull in.  The clinics are everywhere. 

These clincs are open all weekend long.   There is no reason why everybody can't get it done this weekend, unless it's a financial issue. 



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i am 55 and my husband is 57.

health department questioned our ages because we weren't 65.

told them i have lyme disease (true) and husband has asthma (true) and they didn't question us any further.  anyone with a compromised immune system should be able to get the vaccine.

 

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Albert, you have finally made it clear (at least to me, foggy headed as usual) that you aren't talking about the city or county run clinic but the ever convenient Doc-In-A-Box in your local strip mall.  Now I understand your repeated statements of ease of receiving one.
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My fault.  I should have described them better.   Those places love to sell vaccines though.  Sheesh.  They almost push them on you lol.   

Kathie----- Good job to you and your husband.   It's good to see a "family cluster" getting it done together.  

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"Typically, influenza causes death due to a secondary bacterial pneumonia. Bacteria are able to take advantage of the host’s compromised immune status and damaged lung cells, establishing a potentially deadly infection. However, during the 1918 pandemic, a greater percentage of the deaths in the 20-45 age group were due to primary pneumonia: pneumonia caused by a combination of the influenza virus and the host response, with no bacterial invaders involved. In some patients, this occurred within a matter of hours from the first symptoms. A Pennsylvania medical student documented the phenomenon:


As their lungs filled, the patients became short of breath and increasingly cyanotic. After gasping for several hours, they became delirious and incontinent, and many died struggling to clear their airways of a blood-tinged froth that sometimes gushed from their nose and mouth. It was a dreadful business." Source :aetiologyblogspot.com
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Protective effect of pneumococcal vaccine against death by pneumonia in elderly subjects
A. Vila-Córcoles1, O. Ochoa-Gondar1, C. Llor1, I. Hospital1, T. Rodríguez2 and A. Gómez1
1 EVAN-65 Group of Primary Care Service Tarragona-Valls, Institut Catalá de la Salut, Tarragona, and 2 Dept of Statistic and Research of Jordi Gol i Gurina, Barcelona, Spain.

CORRESPONDENCE: A. Vila-Corcoles, Institut Català de la Salut, Prat de la Riba 39, Tarragona 43001, Spain. Fax: 34 977226411. E-mail: avila.tarte.ics@gencat.net

Keywords: Effectiveness, elderly, mortality, pneumococcal vaccine, pneumonia

Received: March 15, 2005
Accepted August 14, 2005

The present study assessed the effectiveness of the 23-valent pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine to prevent pneumonia and death in older adults in a first-time report between January and December 2002.

A prospective cohort study was conducted including all individuals 65 yrs of age assigned to one of eight primary care centres in Tarragona, Spain (n = 11,241). The primary outcomes were community-acquired pneumonia (hospitalised or outpatient) and death from pneumonia. All pneumonias were validated by checking clinical records. The association between the pneumococcal vaccination and the risk of each outcome was evaluated by means of multivariate Cox proportional-hazard models, adjusted by age, sex, influenza vaccination status, comorbidity and immunological status.

Pneumococcal vaccination did not alter the risk of hospitalisation from pneumonia (hazard ratio (HR): 0.80; 95% confidence interval (CI): 0.50–1.28) or overall pneumonia (HR: 0.86; 95% CI: 0.56–1.31), but the vaccine was associated with considerable reductions of death risk from pneumonia (HR: 0.28; 95% CI: 0.09–0.83).

In conclusion, these results suggest that pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine may not be effective in reducing the incidence of pneumonia, but may be able to diminish the severity of the infection. These findings support the effectiveness of the pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine to prevent mortality caused by pneumonia in older adults, providing a new argument to recommend systematic vaccination in the elderly.


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 From above: "the vaccine was associated with considerable reductions of death risk from pneumonia."

good enough for me.  minimuize death from complications if I do get it.

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Simply put, if you get the vax, you will live.   You can't beat that deal!

I sure wish there was a way to let the world know.    

We should all be pushing our friends and families to get this done.  Even the worst BF critics seem to get it done when you tell them.   Try it! 

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http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2296/1/1#IDAYSRPAB

Pretty good article on effectivness of pneumonia vaccine, there appears to be a lot of controversy on its effectiveness, considering there is little else available other than anti-virals, I still think it's worth getting. One last thing some parents mentioned the difficulty of getting the shot from the health department. It may help to get a script from the pediatrician (if the doctor will comply). The Health Department told me that I have to bring a copy of my children's shot records. It is much more difficult to get this shot for children than adults. My pediatrician also referred me to the County Health Department. I plan to ask my pediatrician for a script to take to the Health Department (best not to even mention bird flu).
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Good Job Apomales !

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Hi everybody,


got my pneumo vax an hour ago!! .

They said it included the meningitis-strain, so I've got that covered too
The vaccin was Pneumo-23. I had to pay 35 euro (that's what, 40 dollar?)

There were no questions asked, even though I'm  a healthy 42 LOL


Thanks for the advice to get this shot!!!

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Marjo my friend.  I have been waiting until today for you to update us.   I would tell you that I thought about you last night, but it might not sound right LOL. 

This is going to be a good day! 

GOOD JOB!

 

 

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the flu shot wont do you any good against the bird flu people wake up and smell the coffee
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Drizzt,

how bout wake up and read the post. They are talking about pnomenoia vaccine shot. not flu shot.

The only shot available to the public that will stop BF is called

a " 357 Magnum" . Ask for the "hollow point." by name.

 

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I knew drizz was going to say that....

For anyone else that actually takes the time to read this thread, please let us know if you have been unable to get your vaccination because your doctor has refused so we can all figure it out.   Don't give up!   

 

 

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I was wondering:
is my Pneumo-23 vaccin the same as your (american) one?

Mine containted 0.5 ml with the following polysaccharidetypes:

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6b, 7f, 8, 9n, 10a, 11a, 12f, 14, 15b, 17f, 18c, 19a and f, 20, 22f, 23f and 33f.

It was manufactured in Belgium by Aventis Pasteur MSD.


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Hello I just wanted you all to know that all the walk-in clinics in my state will not give you this vaccination per your request. I have called over 200 places in my state with no luck. My children most likely will not be vaccinated. My husband and I do have appointments tomorrow which took a very long time to get authorized by our primary doctors for the ok. It was like a 2 week process.

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wow.  Maybe everybody should come out to California and get it. 

I have gotten 12 people in California to get it at various walkin clinics with no problem at all.  In fact, one place was already sold out so one friend of mine had to visit another location.  Again, he got it no problem and with no questions asked.  I have had three people get it at Keizer in California, and two people get it at Keizer in Oregon.  Again, no problems whatsoever. 



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I found a place for my 3 kids, however I have to travel 4 hours one way (8 all together) to get there and my husband says no, due to the cost of the travel and the shots.

I had my mother vac. 2 months ago after I told her.

My husband has to take 1/2 of the day off due to location as to where we have to go to get our shots and losing money over it.

Needless to say I am so frustrated and my family is getting agitated with me.

I just am so worried about my kids; I guess I will have to do it behind my husbands back.

Wish me luck and with the HUBBY!

 

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