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Online Discussion: Tracking new emerging diseases and the next pandemic; Now tracking the Aussie Flu.

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Thanks to our excellent Mods and administrators!!  I think this is an instructive time to review how politics and public health policy can conflict, to the detriment of all of us.  

I'm pleased that Pres. Trump successfully nominated SCOTUS Gorsuch, as this will protect our right to bear arms, at least for a while.  Clap  An armed, educated, well-informed public will be essential to survival. 

I'm plugged into all sorts of disaster/pandemic channels and will report if anything "pops."  So far, the US seems reasonably secure, but that could change in seconds. 

Don't forget to honor our dead and our heroes from the 9/11 attacks....I see that the news media are largely ignoring this anniversary.  Perhaps that is a good thing.
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Agreed, Chuck. We're seeing agencies that will be instrumental in dealing with outbreaks gutted to fund projects like the border wall.
Like the song says, you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone. Politics and pandemics are unfortunately inextricably linked.



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Thanks my friends!  And thanks to the mods for their hard work in this.

Med my good friend- you can't be upset about this as this is what you wanted. 

On another note, best thing about Hurricane Irma is that I can actually watch the news and it doesn't have anything to do with Donald Trump Jr and the Russian this from last year.  It's hard to watch the news these days without hearing about Trump and Russia, which is a total waste of time in my opinion.

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the point being it wont stop the threads,will it stop you looking  or comenting on them ? 

therefore whats the point ,

it seems blatently honest to say some dont like the truth when presented in a way they cant argue against,

therfore they like it somewhere near the back pages where no one will pay  any attention,

you cant just shove Chumps Ineptitude in a cuboard and hope nobody sees or hears.....

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You can post it in General Discussion, but you guys now have your own political forum as well. The political post will probably be moved from GD to the correct forum (upon the Mods discretion).  The whole idea is to limit Trump posts to only a couple of threads around here, and your own forum. 

   
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You can also post global events in GD, such as those with North Korea, etc ....   And all topics that you feel are important.    This change was only for the political topics.   Regardless, if you feel that it's important enough to post it in the GD forum,  please just do your best to make sure it's important enough.    
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Originally posted by Albert Albert wrote:

Thanks my friends!  And thanks to the mods for their hard work in this.

Med my good friend- you can't be upset about this as this is what you wanted. 

On another note, best thing about Hurricane Irma is that I can actually watch the news and it doesn't have anything to do with Donald Trump Jr and the Russian this from last year.  It's hard to watch the news these days without hearing about Trump and Russia, which is a total waste of time in my opinion.



Hello Albert.  I am much relieved to hear from you. Have lost a lot of people lately, almost myself, and am glad you were not one of them.

I think the Pandemic boat for now has sunk. Perhaps it will rise once more since it is inevitable we will have another is not several, but the raging discussions of the media and the world for a discussion board are not on disease.

Perhaps this has kept AFT alive through a vacuum of disease news, and at times I feel a little guilty looking over my multiple threads with some many readers on here. I never mean to have such a presence on your site. I do have my own site on Facebook and the net, but I guess I do feel a part of the family here, and despite everything, keep coming back to post.

I have noticed since the political posts started the number of people reading here has rose to record highs I have never seen before.

I know I have plugged this site on Facebook and my homepage and there are many Facebook users who have followed the links to here.

Perhaps we should add to the never avoidable death and taxes - politics.

No doubt Ebola will rise again as well any number of devastating viruses and plagues which will sweep the globe - not if, but when.

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Thank you. I see you did move them.  I think it was a good idea and thank for following through on it.

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I moved as many as I had time for earlier, Techno. I'll show you how when I get a chance. Took a little while, and sometimes the line is so blurred that it's a judgement call as to whether it stays in GD, or gets moved to the new political section.



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Originally posted by Medclinician Medclinician wrote:

I think the Pandemic boat for now has sunk.


Erm....not really, Med. If anything, health organizations worldwide are even more concerned about a pandemic. In twelve months, H7N9 moved from a completely benign, asymptomatic virus in birds, to one that will kill all the chickens in a flock in days. It's ability to infect humans is becoming demonstrably more refined, and it's geographical spread is increasing. We're closer now than in recent years.


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"Erm....not really, Med. If anything, health organizations worldwide are even more concerned about a pandemic. In twelve months, H7N9 moved from a completely benign, asymptomatic virus in birds, to one that will kill all the chickens in a flock in days. It's ability to infect humans is becoming demonstrably more refined, and it's geographical spread is increasing. We're closer now than in recent years."


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more interest in Trump at the moment,but you right Jacksdad ,

very close,and the antibiotic resistance thing very very scary,

more scary than  a Pandemic as its happening NOW
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The end of the so-called golden age of antibiotics is a daunting prospect. Learn all you can about natural remedies, and stopping infections before they go systemic. Topic for a thread, maybe? That's the kind of info that could definitely save lives.
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Originally posted by jacksdad jacksdad wrote:

The end of the so-called golden age of antibiotics is a daunting prospect. Learn all you can about natural remedies, and stopping infections before they go systemic. Topic for a thread, maybe? That's the kind of info that could definitely save lives.

Thanks, JD!  Modern agriculture is largely responsible for the proliferation of MDR organisms.  

The Chinese agricultural death star:


Growth addiction

Antibiotics abuse makes China's pork industry a hotbed for drug-resistant bugs

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China is the culprit in global warming that is why the Paris Accord is a bunch of crap. China is let out of doing anything about co2 emissions for many years from now and China is the worst offender!   China is bad all the way around!
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You cannot possibly blame one country for climate change,

The 6 billion people we have put on this planet in the last 200years have done the damage,

Along with all the cars,planes,engine driven ships,that WE all use,

And if you ever look at the carbon footprint of an average American it far far exceeds anything an average China man
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Please get your facts right.......

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Carbon is correct there.  America is a far worse producer of co2 than China.


We are all guilty to varying extents of the antibiotic abuse thing, but China DOES bear the lion's share of that blame.  Their farming methods are immoral, stupid and dangerous.
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I disagree,we all to blame,here you go to doctor for anything,they prescribe antibiotics,some animal producers will give more antibiotics,as it can increase the weight of the beast by 1/3rdl,so to say China's farmers are the main cause of resistance is not fair, again WE all guilty as far as I'm concerned,

I agree that China needs to get control of there problem but that's never going to happen.

The last time I took an antibiotic was 25years ago, who on here can say the same ?
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Total and per capita co2 emissions for 2015:
 China10,641,78929.51%7.7
 United States5,172,33814.34%16.1
So, overall the US produces less co2 than China, BUT, per capita, it produces almost double.  Or putting it another way, China has 4 times the population, but only produces double the CO2; half as much per person.

Additionally, America was industrialized long before China.  They have, over many decades, put more CO2 out there already.  That prior contribution set up their infrastructure.  China is later to innovate and industrialize.  They have some catching-up to do.  If the climate accord really wanted to be fair, they should be allowed to produce double the US's output whilst they put their infrastructure in place for posterity.  But, partly because the creation of infrastructure itself has become more carbon-friendly and partly because they are being very fair about things, they have agreed to lower their emissions alongside the rest of us.

Ah well, the global-warming-intensified hurricanes are already coming home to roost.  It is starting to look as if the first/worst backlash is going to be upon the first level poluters.  You reap what you sow.  For what it is worth, I would rather see everyone escape the coming storm.

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All Countries and Economies

Country
1960
2014
Afghanistan
0.0
0.3
Albania
1.3
2.0
Algeria
0.6
3.7
American Samoa
Andorra
5.8
Angola
0.1
1.3
Antigua and Barbuda
0.7
5.4
Argentina
2.4
4.7
Armenia
1.9
Aruba
8.4
Australia
8.6
15.4
Austria
4.4
6.9
Azerbaijan
3.9
Bahamas, The
3.7
6.3
Bahrain
3.5
23.4
Bangladesh
0.5
Barbados
0.7
4.5
Belarus
6.7
Belgium
9.9
8.3
Belize
0.5
1.4
Benin
0.1
0.6
Bermuda
3.6
8.8
Bhutan
1.3
Bolivia
0.3
1.9
Bosnia and Herzegovina
6.2
Botswana
3.2
Brazil
0.6
2.6
British Virgin Islands
6.1
Brunei Darussalam
4.1
22.1
Bulgaria
2.8
5.9
Burkina Faso
0.0
0.2
Burundi
0.0
Cabo Verde
0.1
0.9
Cambodia
0.0
0.4
Cameroon
0.1
0.3
Canada
10.8
15.1
Cayman Islands
1.4
9.2
Central African Republic
0.1
0.1
Chad
0.0
0.1
Channel Islands
Chile
1.7
4.7
China
1.2
7.5
Colombia
1.0
1.8
Comoros
0.1
0.2
Congo, Dem. Rep.
0.2
0.1
Congo, Rep.
0.2
0.6
Costa Rica
0.4
1.6
Cote d'Ivoire
0.1
0.5
Croatia
4.0
Cuba
1.9
3.0
Curacao
37.7
Cyprus
1.5
5.3
Czech Republic
9.2
Denmark
6.5
5.9
Djibouti
0.5
0.8
Dominica
0.2
1.9
Dominican Republic
0.3
2.1
Ecuador
0.4
2.8
Egypt, Arab Rep.
0.6
2.2
El Salvador
0.2
1.0
Equatorial Guinea
0.1
4.7
Eritrea
Estonia
14.8
Ethiopia
0.0
0.1
Faroe Islands
1.7
12.2
Fiji
0.5
1.3
Finland
3.4
8.7
France
5.8
4.6
French Polynesia
0.5
2.9
Gabon
0.3
2.8
Gambia, The
0.0
0.3
Georgia
2.4
Germany
8.9
Ghana
0.2
0.5
Gibraltar
2.0
15.5
Greece
1.1
6.2
Greenland
6.9
9.0
Grenada
0.2
2.3
Guam
Guatemala
0.3
1.2
Guinea
0.1
0.2
Guinea-Bissau
0.0
0.2
Guyana
1.2
2.6
Haiti
0.1
0.3
Honduras
0.3
1.1
Hong Kong SAR, China
1.0
6.4
Hungary
4.5
4.3
Iceland
6.9
6.1
India
0.3
1.7
Indonesia
0.2
1.8
Iran, Islamic Rep.
1.7
8.3
Iraq
1.1
4.8
Ireland
4.0
7.4
Isle of Man
Israel
3.1
7.9
Italy
2.2
5.3
Jamaica
0.9
2.6
Japan
2.5
9.5
Jordan
0.8
3.0
Kazakhstan
14.4
Kenya
0.3
0.3
Kiribati
0.6
Korea, Dem. People’s Rep.
1.6
Korea, Rep.
0.5
11.6
Kosovo
Kuwait
28.9
25.2
Kyrgyz Republic
1.6
Lao PDR
0.0
0.3
Latvia
3.5
Lebanon
1.4
4.3
Lesotho
1.2
Liberia
0.1
0.2
Libya
0.5
9.2
Liechtenstein
1.2
Lithuania
4.4
Luxembourg
36.7
17.4
Macao SAR, China
0.3
2.2
Macedonia, FYR
3.6
Madagascar
0.1
0.1
Malawi
0.1
Malaysia
8.0
Maldives
3.3
Mali
0.0
0.1
Malta
1.0
5.5
Marshall Islands
1.9
Mauritania
0.0
0.7
Mauritius
0.3
3.4
Mexico
1.7
3.9
Micronesia, Fed. Sts.
1.4
Moldova
1.4
Monaco
Mongolia
1.4
7.1
Montenegro
3.6
Morocco
0.3
1.7
Mozambique
0.3
0.3
Myanmar
0.1
0.4
Namibia
1.6
Nauru
4.0
Nepal
0.0
0.3
Netherlands
6.4
9.9
New Caledonia
10.9
16.0
New Zealand
4.9
7.7
Nicaragua
0.3
0.8
Niger
0.0
0.1
Nigeria
0.1
0.5
Northern Mariana Islands
Norway
3.7
9.3
Oman
15.4
Pakistan
0.3
0.9
Palau
1.5
12.3
Panama
0.9
2.3
Papua New Guinea
0.1
0.8
Paraguay
0.2
0.9
Peru
0.8
2.0
Philippines
0.3
1.1
Poland
6.7
7.5
Portugal
0.9
4.3
Puerto Rico
Qatar
3.7
45.4
Romania
2.9
3.5
Russian Federation
11.9
Rwanda
0.0
0.1
Samoa
0.1
1.0
San Marino
Sao Tome and Principe
0.2
0.6
Saudi Arabia
0.7
19.5
Senegal
0.3
0.6
Serbia
5.3
Seychelles
5.4
Sierra Leone
0.3
0.2
Singapore
0.8
10.3
Sint Maarten (Dutch part)
19.5
Slovak Republic
5.7
Slovenia
6.2
Solomon Islands
0.1
0.4
Somalia
0.0
0.0
South Africa
5.6
9.0
South Sudan
0.1
Spain
1.6
5.0
Sri Lanka
0.2
0.9
St. Kitts and Nevis
0.2
4.3
St. Lucia
0.2
2.3
St. Martin (French part)
St. Vincent and the Grenadines
0.1
1.9
Sudan
0.1
Suriname
1.5
3.6
Swaziland
0.1
0.9
Sweden
6.6
4.5
Switzerland
3.7
4.3
Syrian Arab Republic
0.7
1.6
Tajikistan
0.6
Tanzania
0.1
0.2
Thailand
0.1
4.6
Timor-Leste
0.4
Togo
0.0
0.4
Tonga
0.2
1.1
Trinidad and Tobago
3.0
34.2
Tunisia
0.4
2.6
Turkey
0.6
4.5
Turkmenistan
12.5
Turks and Caicos Islands
6.1
Tuvalu
1.0
Uganda
0.1
0.1
Ukraine
5.0
United Arab Emirates
0.1
23.3
United Kingdom
11.2
6.5
United States
16.0
16.5
Uruguay
1.7
2.0
Uzbekistan
3.4
Vanuatu
0.6
Venezuela, RB
7.0
6.0
Vietnam
0.2
1.8
Virgin Islands (U.S.)
West Bank and Gaza
Yemen, Rep.
0.7
0.9
Zambia
0.3
Zimbabwe
0.8
World
3.1
5.0
Arab World
0.6
4.9
Caribbean small states
1.4
8.9
Central Europe and the Baltics
5.1
6.1
East Asia & Pacific
1.2
6.3
East Asia & Pacific (excluding high income)
1.0
5.8
Euro area
6.5
Europe & Central Asia
6.9
Europe & Central Asia (excluding high income)
7.4
European Union
5.8
6.4
Fragile and conflict affected situations
0.3
0.9
Heavily indebted poor countries (HIPC)
0.1
0.3
Latin America & Caribbean
1.3
3.1
Latin America & Caribbean (excluding high income)
1.3
2.9
Least developed countries: UN classification
0.1
0.3
Middle East & North Africa
1.0
6.2
Middle East & North Africa (excluding high income)
0.9
3.9
North America
15.5
16.4
OECD members
7.3
9.5
Other small states
0.6
7.5
Pacific island small states
0.4
1.1
Small states
0.9
7.4
South Asia
0.2
1.5
Sub-Saharan Africa
0.6
0.8
Sub-Saharan Africa (excluding high income)
0.6
0.8
High income
7.6
11.0
Low & middle income
1.1
3.5
Low income
0.3
Lower middle income
0.4
1.5
Middle income
1.1
3.9
Upper middle income
1.7
6.6

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the Arabs are the main culprits,but they do produce all the petrol products ..............,


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