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pola33193 ![]() Valued Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 10 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 251 |
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Spoon, polas husband joe, next to my office there is a county school surplus, about 1 month ago i walked in and saw UPS for large computer servers most said no batteries and no charger, i think i only need the inverter batteries... you can get deep cycle any where and charge with solar panels
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Spoon ![]() Valued Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 29 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 607 |
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Hi Joe, I'm not sure what the benefit would be if there's no battery or charger. If they have a complete UPS cheap, it might be worth picking up although the batteries are probably at the end of their life. And I don't believe there's an easy way to charge a UPS from a solar panel. |
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It's not so much the apocalypse... but the credit card bills ;-)
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duncan ![]() Valued Member ![]() Joined: February 06 2006 Status: Offline Points: 34 |
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Most UPS units cannot be used as cheap alternatives to inverters because they cannot be powered on once thay are depleted without an AC supply.
Once thay go dead - they stay dead regardless of battery charge. However - some modern UPS units have external DC inputs (usually 24v) and can be switched on so long as the battries are charged. |
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elbows ![]() V.I.P. Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 06 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 339 |
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Are solar panels a potential looting target due to their high visibility?
I wouldnt expect to get particularily good results trying to use solar & batteries for applications such as cooking, heating, refrigeration. Will be more useful for lighting (get low energy bulbs, fluorescent or LED lights), radio etc. Still I am in the UK where we dont get an awful lot of sun, so that probably makes me a bit pescimistic about this stuff. Im looking at a mixed solution such as gas for cooking/heating, wind up torches & radios, and converting a bicycle to provide pedal power for powering laptop etc (though I predict the chances of having a functioning internet connection if the electricity situation gets bad to be a bit on the low side, and most governments have legislation they can use to switch off the net in the event of civil unrest) |
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Spoon ![]() Valued Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 29 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 607 |
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Thanks Cupcakemom. I'm happy that I can contribute after all the help this community has given me. This truly is a special place. Jay |
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It's not so much the apocalypse... but the credit card bills ;-)
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Spoon ![]() Valued Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 29 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 607 |
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Elbows, I'm lucky that my shed faces south, and my house. It really can only be seen if someone walks into my side yard. Another option is to mount it high. I only plan to power my wood stove fans, satellite radio (if it works), 2-meter transceiver, several rechargable lights, mobile phone and some high-efficient flourescent bulbs... and maybe a small emergency B/W TV from time to time. |
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C104 ![]() Valued Member ![]() Joined: February 06 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2 |
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Thanks
I did see that, great idea with the cords.
Without trying to hijack and go off in another direction completely... If you can't go out in your own yard...you've got bigger problems than no power... ![]() |
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Spoon ![]() Valued Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 29 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 607 |
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True... we will all have bigger problems then. Edited by Spoon |
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merrittjohn ![]() V.I.P. Member ![]() Joined: January 31 2006 Location: Afghanistan Status: Offline Points: 62 |
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Here's my two cents worth about solar energy. Forget heating or cooking with it. So much energy is used you would have to spend a fortune in panels. An small airtight wood stove and a couple cords of wood will cover both heating and cooking at a fraction of the cost. Lighting.... more reasonable, but a few kerosene lamps and a couple 5 gallon jugs of kerosene will me much more economical. On my sailboat I had a solar panel array that provided enough power for a tiny (1 1/2 cubic foot) very well insulated 12v refrigerator, my ham and VHF radio and two 12v florescent lights. I used four 6v golf cart batteries (2 in series) isolated from each other by a Perko switch. I plan a different type of solar system. I'm building a small solar oven using a frenel lens and a simple solar water heater ( an insulated, glass topped box big enough to hold a 5 gallon plastic jerry jug painted black) to heat water for bathing. These are some simple cheap (except for the fresnel lens.. and there are much cheaper ways of building a solar oven!) weekend projects that anyone can handle. Emphasis on cheap. For those of us on a pretty tight budget I feel the money is better spant on food. JMHO, John.
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merrittjohn ![]() V.I.P. Member ![]() Joined: January 31 2006 Location: Afghanistan Status: Offline Points: 62 |
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Hey Spoon, that was nice of you to post all those pics. I too want to emphasize to you that your line loss will be MUCH MUCH less if you convert to higher voltage close to the panel (perhaps you could bolt the inverter to the underside of the roof or to a rafter) and then run your power to the house. John.
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larrylinux ![]() V.I.P. Member ![]() Joined: December 15 2005 Status: Offline Points: 44 |
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Spoon,
You mentioned Costcos as a source for some of the hardware; does anyone know if Sams carries any solar equipment? LL ps - this is something we have been talking about doing for a long time; thanks to spoon and all the others for all the great info! |
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Spoon ![]() Valued Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 29 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 607 |
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John, What's the best way to measure line loss, with and without orange extension cord? Ohms? Edited by Spoon |
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Spoon ![]() Valued Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 29 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 607 |
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Regarding the instructions, above, for putting together a basic solar power setup. It' back at Costco.com, 123W Charging Kit with Sharp Panel for $699. If you're interested, I wouldn't wait long. These kits seem to disappear quickly. |
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sweets ![]() V.I.P. Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 08 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 239 |
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Ok thanks all really great! Now newbie here what can I power with a 8" by 24" panel? I am trying to generate enough power for a fan for cooling and charging batteries for laptop gameboy cell phone Also I will be in HK on 220 I think I will need to figure this out then ship the items over there This is my first time go easy lololol |
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I'm not a ribbering Jidiot!
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Spoon ![]() Valued Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 29 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 607 |
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Hi Sweets, Can you give me the specs on your solar panel (watts, amps)? |
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sweets ![]() V.I.P. Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 08 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 239 |
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Well I saw you can get one that size 16 volts 115 volt 140 watt inverter He says"Power your computer, modem, vcr, tv, cameras, lights, or DC appliances anywhere you go. " |
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Spoon ![]() Valued Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 29 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 607 |
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Do you have a link I can check out? I just want to make sure you have enough amps coming off the panel and enough amp hours stored in the battery. |
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I was thinking of disguising the solar panels to look like skylights by putting them on my roof and putting in a box structure or hiding them on my shed and covering the roof with a black tarp so it looks like a cheap roof fix. A bad renovation to me would be believable especially by me It worries me that yours look too easy to steal. arer they visible from other peoples yards Edited by RBARNES55 |
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Spoon ![]() Valued Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 29 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 607 |
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Great idea! Luckily my shed faces the house so you cannot see it unless you walk through my side yard, between shed and house. Not a safe place to be... uninvited |
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TomMI ![]() Advisor Group ![]() Joined: February 28 2006 Status: Offline Points: 194 |
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I have a 1 kilowatt solar array on my house which generates around 60 amps of power on a cloudless day. Anyone with specific questions about how to do this and power much of your home, feel free to ask. I'ts not that difficult, once you understand the relationships between panels, batteries and inverters and the laws that govern battery charging and discharging.
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