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    Posted: October 08 2017 at 3:07pm
well i think its a great way to protest the inequalities the Black people of America suffer......

                                                     NON VIOLENT

BUT WHITEY NO LIKE IT........

they dont like the TRUTH of it..............

coz it is the TRUTH

black people and "people of colour"are classed as 2/3rd class in  the USA
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Vice President Mike Pence walks out of NFL game after players kneel during anthem

Posted about an hour ago

US Vice President Mike Pence has walked out of a National Football League (NFL) game in his home state of Indiana after some players knelt during the national anthem, a form of demonstration that began last year as a symbolic protest about police violence against racial minorities.

"I left today's Colts game because President Trump and I will not dignify any event that disrespects our soldiers, our flag, or our national anthem," Mr Pence said in a statement issued by the White House.

President Donald Trump has criticised players sharply for the protests and has pressed the NFL to ban them, despite the right to participate in such a protest being protected by the US Constitution's First Amendment.

On Sunday, Mr Trump praised the Vice President for taking his side and following his requests.

"I asked @VP Pence to leave stadium if any players kneeled, disrespecting our country. I am proud of him and @SecondLady Karen," Mr Trump wrote.

Critics of players kneeling at the pre-game playing of the national anthem, including Mr Trump, object to any protest, regardless of its merits, during a ceremony meant to honour the US flag and military veterans.

Mr Pence, who has gone out of his way to demonstrate loyalty to Mr Trump, said in his statement it was important to rally around the flag and things that unite the country.

"While everyone is entitled to their own opinions, I don't think it's too much to ask NFL players to respect the flag and our national anthem," Mr Pence said.

"I stand with President Trump, I stand with our soldiers, and I will always stand for our flag and our national anthem."



 
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VIDEO: NFL players kneel during US anthem (Photo: Reuters) (ABC News)
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Well I am a minority and I disagree. I am Native American and I stand for the National Anthem as respect to our Veterans and active duty military, to include my uncle who was a Comanche Code Talker, my father who served in the US Army and my ex who served in the US Navy and my son-in-law who is currently in the US Navy. I live in a military community. Not all people of color agree with this. By the way, I am NOT a Trump supporter either.
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I should clarify myself,im not sure I agree with "Dissing"the national anthem,what I do agree with is a non violent protest,that gets noticed,with out resorting to killing lots of people
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Is Trump's feud with kneeling football players personal or politics?

Updated about 4 hours ago

United States President Donald Trump has been quite vocal over the past few weeks about footballers protesting during the national anthem, which began last year as a symbolic protest about police violence against racial minorities.

This time, Mr Trump weighed in following a walkout by Vice President Mike Pence on a National Football League (NFL) game in his home state of Indiana after some players knelt during the national anthem.

But why is this issue being given so much attention? Here's what we know about the spat.

What has Trump previously said?

Mr Trump first raised his objection to the protesters in September at a rally in deep southern Alabama.

At the time, he told a crowd of supporters that "we're proud of our country, we respect our flag … wouldn't you love to see one of these NFL owners, when somebody disrespects our flag, to say, 'Get that son of a bitch off the field right now, out, he's fired. He's fired!'"

Following this statement, a number of supporters hit back at Mr Trump, who responded with a number of tweets that again criticised the protest.

Why is the issue being given so much attention?



 
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VIDEO: NFL players kneel during US anthem (Photo: Reuters) (ABC News)

David Smith, academic director of the US Studies Centre at the University of Sydney, says Mr Trump has really taken to this issue to re-establish his conservative credentials.

"I think that he did feel that there was some danger that he was alienating his own conservative base when he started negotiating with some Democrats about the status of illegal children in the United States and when he started negotating with Democrats about the budget," he told the ABC.

"Once he showed that he was willing to compromise with Democrats on those issues, there was a right-wing backlash against him and I think he felt he needed to get his base back.

"So he seized on this issue, which up until this point had been an issue but not a huge issue in the United States — it had been the sort of thing that got play in the sports media, but not really in the media more broadly.

"So he seized on this issue at a rally in Alabama, where football is basically a religion, where he was speaking to an overwhelmingly white audience in a state with a history of segregation.

"He really took this issue and used it to re-establish his conservative credentials and once he saw how much attention it was getting him, he kept on about it all that weekend and what it led to was hundreds of players participating in these protests, when only a few players had participated originally.

"He made it a lot bigger than it was originally."

Was the walkout planned?



 
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VIDEO: NFL player accuses Pence of ignoring race issue with response to protest (ABC News)

Some have questioned whether Mr Pence had planned to walk out on the NFL game between the Colts and San Francisco 49ers on Sunday afternoon (local time).

Suspicions were first raised after Mr Pence quickly releasing a statement and took to Twitter to explain his actions, using the opportunity to upload a cover photo of himself standing during the anthem.

"I left today's Colts game because President Trump and I will not dignify any event that disrespects our soldiers, our Flag, or our National Anthem," he said in the statement.

"At a time when so many Americans are inspiring our nation with their courage, resolve, and resilience, now, more than ever, we should rally around our Flag and everything that unites us."

The possibility was given further weight once the President tweeted that it was his idea, writing that he "asked @VP Pence to leave stadium if any players kneeled, disprespecting out country".

I asked @VP Pence to leave stadium if any players kneeled, disrespecting our country. I am proud of him and @SecondLadyKaren.

The likelihood of a player kneeling was quite high, given the 49ers have protested a number of times during NFL anthems since 2016.

NBC national correspondent Peter Alexander indicated that the media had been clued in, saying that "reporters were told to stay in their van because "there may be an early depature from the game".

Other media outlets have also reported that Mr Pence was due to fly out shortly after the game to Los Angeles, suggesting that if the walkout was planned, the stunt came at the cost of taxpayers.

Is this a race issue?

The ABC's John Barron wrote last month that Mr Trump's spat with some of the most prominent sporting stars in America is "not about patriotism, or even sport. Despite his protestations, it is about race".

Dr Smith agrees, noting that throughout the primaries and the US election campaign, Mr Trump "rode a wave of backlash against Black Lives Matter".

"Ever since 2012, when Travon Martin was killed and Barack Obama said if he had a son he would look like Travon, there has been a very, very racialised debate about violence against African-Americans, violence by police and violence against police," he said.

"And a lot of white conservatives believe the Black Lives Matter movement is an anti-police movement, a movement that advocates violence against police and a movement that threatens law and order in the United States — Donald Trump is firmly on that side of the debate.

"And by saying that NFL owners should kick players off the team if they protest against police violence by taking the knee, he was very much putting himself on the side of white conservative Americans who feel threatened by the Black Lives Matter movement."

Could it also be personal?

Dr Smith suggests that there could be another underlying factor behind these attacks, a personal vendetta.

"This probably reflects a long-held frustration that he has, which is twice he was not allowed to buy a NFL team because he didn't have the money and the NFL though he'd be a financial risk," he said.

"He has long had issues with the NFL and he has a long history of complaining about the NFL on Twitter."

Dr Smith said he also thinks the amount of media attention that this has generated could also explain Mr Trump's focus.

"When Trump gets behind an issue like this, and gets a lot of attention behind it, he's going to keep at it. He'll probably speak out whenever he sees it on TV," he said.

Does this contradict with the idea of freedom of speech?

Despite Dr Smith suggesting this is a way of allowing Mr Trump to play to his support base, some have also criticised the President and Vice President for impeding on free speech.

NFL legend and sports analyst for Fox, Terry Bradshaw, has previously criticised the President for attacking players for exercising their "freedom".

"While I don't condone the protest during our national anthem, this is America. If our country stands for anything, folks, what, it's freedom," he said in September.

"People die for that freedom. I'm not sure if our President understands those rights, that every American has the right to speak out and also to protest."

Can the President actually do anything about protests?

Mr Trump has nothing to do with policing or with regulating sport so for him its a "symbolic issue," Dr Smith said.

"It's the President's way of saying, 'I'm on the side of the police' and also the fact that these protests happen around the national anthem.

"It makes it appear to Mr Trump and his supporters, that the protesting against police violence and racism is actually protesting against America itself, it's anti-American."

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that whole thing was nothing more than a pre-planned SCAM
this is a perfect example of MORE FAKE news from our fake,failed President and his little toady Pence
this "act of patriotism" LOL was exposed as a FRAUD abut 5 minutes after it happened



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FLAG: Was Pence leaving Colts game a political stunt? Reporters were told to stay in van bc "there may be an early departure from the game."


Trump, Pence Use The Flag, Veterans For A Political Stunt

http://crooksandliars.com/2017/10/trump-pence-use-flag-veterans-political


this is beyond pathetic

and the ONLY people who fell for it are Trump cult members

the rest of us with functioning brains know what a LIE the whole thing was

disgraceful

just another FAKE news item from a fake and failed President

who is doing nothing more than trying to distract us from his incompetence


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Mike Pence spent a million dollars to watch one minute of a football game—and you paid for it

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/10/9/1705409/-Mike-Pence-spent-a-million-dollars-to-watch-one-minute-of-a-football-game-and-you-paid-for-it

Trump and Pence to America--- SUCKERS !!!

and Pence is all the more galling as he is always throwing his religious "faith" in peoples faces

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I appreciate your point, Penny, but beg to differ.   

I support the protests, partly because something needs to be said (and this says it very loudly)  and partly because I believe Trump is making things worse instead of improving them.  Respect for people in the forces is a large part of my supporting the protesters.  Many brave military people died to preserve the right to free speech.  Exercising it may carry an implied insult: -  but not to them.

So, I disagree, but cherish your right to disagree with me.

Ps., America is a pretty great country!  There is still room for improvement though.
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I absolutely agree with you, Penham 100%.  

I too am a member of a minority group, being legally Irish.  We have been starved, tortured, refused education and even refused the right to our own language at one point in history.  My daughter has been spat at, snubbed and called "Irish filth".  When my father and I in 1960 were looking for temporary accommodation, having just moved house, we saw a sign "Flat to let" and went to see it. When my father opened his mouth to ask for details, the person letting the flat pointed to a sign and slammed the door in our faces.  The sign read:

"No Blacks
 No Dogs
 No Irish."

A black man standing by the sign looked angrily at my father and I, as we turned away laughing.  He said to my father:  "What do you find to damn funny?"

My father replied:  "I'm Irish.  At least you came before the dog!"  The three of us then went and had a drink together in the local Irish pub.  

That Jamaican guy, who incidentally remained a friend until he died in the 1980s, told us horrific tales of prejudice that he had encountered.  He had served in the British army, as my father had.  

I have served my country in the forces and in many other ways and I would never disrespect the British flag or the Irish tricolor.  I also, in the forces, at RAF Northolt, which had USAF personnel there and raised your flag regularly, stood to attention for the flag with hand on heart, as did they if they were not in uniform, if they were they stood to attention and saluted.  This is a matter of respect and friendship between brothers in arms.  

if we did not like or agree with a particular politician, when I became a civilian, we would wear a large badge with a nameless labour (Democrat)  Prime Minister with his head in a bucket.  This was a gross insult to the person, not to the nation or its flag.  Incidentally, the bucket had the words:  "Sh!t head" printed on it.  It would work just as well for a Tory (Republican)

I can't say that I would not be inclined to punch someone in the face if I saw them insulting "Old Glory", as I still have strong memories of American friends, many of whom fell in Vietnam.  'And they are not all white.  I am very pleased to say, that I have friends of all faiths, races and nationalities, like me.
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Oh I firmly believe in freedom of speech, but I also believe in a time and place. MMMMM how about a non-violent march on Washington as a protest? Or a non-violent march in your own capital city as a protest? Do it on your OWN time? These people are at WORK when they are "protesting" they are getting paid by their employers. Who gets to protest when they are at WORK? Any time I have gone to a non-violent protest, whether it be a protest against war, nuclear power plant being built, etc. it was done in my free time, not when I was being paid by my employer and I was working. If there was a march on Washington, would people take notice? They would have to....And yes the VETERANS and the current ACTIVE DUTY are the ones they can thank for being able to kneel down on the ground to protest. So yes I will continue to stand for the National Anthem to respect those that FIGHT to provide that freedom for us. To show respect to the men and women who have PTSD, have lost arms and legs, who have come back with drug and alcohol problems to forget. I live 10 miles from a military base, 20 miles from a Veterans Center/nursing home, I was raised as a military brat, I was a military wife, I know what sacrifices these people and their families go through to give us our FREEDOM of SPEECH.
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I agree, I think the Pence walkout was planned. I am not a Trump supporter in any way, shape or form.
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Who else besides athletes have to stand for the National Anthem before starting work? The simple answer for the owners is not to have the players come out until it's over!

They've admitted it was planned. What a waste of the tax payers money!
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i think we only play our Anthem at international matches,(never been to any ball games ) 

im not into watching a load of blokes chasing a ball around in any sport .

i find it all really boring.......
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The National Anthem isn't even American, and other fun facts about it and the flag

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/10/9/1705621/-The-National-Anthem-isn-t-even-American-and-other-fun-facts-about-it-and-the-flag

a little history lesson that a lot of people aren't going to like
including our failed President and his lap doggy Pence
both of whom are perfect examples of  FAKE patriots


For some they are symbols of what America is. For others they are symbols of what America is not. But in the end they are just symbols, with no force of law or legal protection. Which is as it should be, because as much as Trump and Pence want to claim our military fought and died for these symbols, the vast majority of them will tell you they didn’t fight for a piece of cloth or a song with British-written music. Most will tell you they fought for the freedom for you and me to view those symbols however we want, without reprisal, punishment or government interference.

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I have no problem whatsoever with these protests.   The Viet Nam era protests were far more violent, and that was also a just cause. 

There have been far, far too many minorities dying at the hands of officers, primarily (but not exclusively) white officers.  This reflects poor training, a vast cultural void, and lack of understanding on all sides.  

If officers can't keep their weapons holstered unless there is real risk, they should be issued pea shooters.




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and here is a perfect example of the problem

Mike Ditka: 'There has been no oppression in the last 100 years that I know of'

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/10/10/1705737/-Mike-Ditka-There-has-been-no-oppression-in-the-last-100-years-that-I-know-of

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apparently what President Moron doesn't understand
is that it isn't the size of your IQ
its what you do with it

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i wasnt attacking Chump on this one,

my cousin (english/greek) married a Yank ,and went to live in the USA,

she said to me "for a country that is so religious,they all very RACIST


have to explain, my family is very Muticultural,i have a black son in law ,a half indian daughter in law,

i have uncles that are  are Greek ,Italian,i have a friend who married a black man in the 1950s,

my father was irish,i have cousins that are Gay,

I'm an imigrant to this GREAT country

so Yes I do Agree with Taking the Knee to protest in a non violent way ,

lets go back to when Cassius Clay won the a gold medal at the Olympic games

went into a Bar back in the USA and could not get served in the WHITE ONLY bar,

so its OK to Cheer these guys while they win for your TEAM but when it comes down to it 

you wouldnt sit next to a black man in a Bar,

nothing has changed,

USA you have  problem and if you really want to make the USA great again you must........

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