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I could get an illegal weapon if I really wanted one,but why would any sane person carry a weapon,but then again I live in a much better place than any yank.....
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And I don't and never will believe in a God,so being a non believer is no excuse....
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One of the shooter's victim's was his grandmother-in-law.

No war on Christians, Med. Not even close. That's the kind of ridiculous leap that whackjobs like Alex Jones and David Knight make.

https://secondnexus.com/news/alex-jones-rightwing-media-implicate-leftist-antifa-movement-texas-shooting-conspiracy-theory/?utm_content=inf_10_1164_2&tse_id=INF_250d4fb0c30d11e7b926579f881108d6


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'Sick in the head': Ex-girlfriends say Texas shooter stalked them


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/breakingnews/sick-in-the-head-ex-girlfriends-say-texas-shooter-stalked-them/ar-AAuvL3J?li=BBnbcA1

Details of Kelley's life, however, painted a portrait of a young man capable of disturbing behavior and, allegedly, violence.

"That was another thing about him — he was very sick in the head...He would tell me very sick strange things," she said, without providing details.



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So is mental illness treated free in the USA? or so you have to pay?

Easy question....,And if you have to pay how do you afford to pay if you can't work because you mentally ill
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Originally posted by Medclinician Medclinician wrote:

Originally posted by Technophobe Technophobe wrote:

Seriously, Med?  

The guy was a wife beater, animal abuser, child abuser and violent sh1tbag!  He was only at war with his family.  

To think anything else, shows you are reading fantasy, not news.


Are you on Facebook? Have you read his page or looked at the groups he was in. I have. His page is down now - in fact Facebook was down a few hours ago. The media have purged a lot of the Internet of information on this guy.

The most flimsy argument is "but he was crazy". Most people who are mass murderers are just that. Yet the social media now is more powerful than it has ever been in history. People live on Facebook, Skype and in Cyber worlds. They are lost without their smart phones, doing selfies and talking to their friends. He was one of these and crazy or not - followed CNN and listened to their fake news. He support the football players kneeling while they player our national anthem. He posted about this. Do you know this guy... really?  His friends did and also the family - and they have stories that were not even released when Fox and CNN took the ball and entered the game.

A mob is crazy. It is group crazy. And a mob no longer is just driven by someone shouting or a megaphone - it is driven by CNN, Washington Post, The New York Times, and the enemies of America.

Wait and watch - I posted this thread early this morning - in a month - in two months - things will be worse - and this will matter - it is only the beginning.

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Wrong Devin Kelley, Med. Took me all of two minutes to figure that one out. Instead of attacking Technophobe, maybe you should do a little more research before you post links to conspiracy theorists that throw stuff out with caveats like "probably" and "don't quote me on that". 

This is the guy that supports NFL players exercising their First Amendment rights - 

https://www.facebook.com/devin.kelley.3538


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Don't insult my intelligence, Med by expecting a facebook page/twitter feed/loony news from an extremist making wild guesses to be believable; and I won't insult yours.

I assume you were not joking, of course.  If you were I appologise, as I thought you were being serious.

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Originally posted by carbon20 carbon20 wrote:

You can repost what you like Med,but you never answer the question,why don't you have a health system for all,and amurika is known world wide for it's INSANE gun culture......and lack of safe guards when buying a weapon


I don't know.

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Wherever Devin Patrick Kelley went after graduating from high school, a trail of violence followed.

Key points:

  • Devin Kelley's former girlfriends say he was a threatening figure
  • He reportedly hit his stepson hard enough to fracture his skull
  • He was incarcerated by the Air Force, denied a gun owner's permit in Texas

Military officials and authorities in three states are piecing together his 10 years of threatening and abusing loved ones that culminated in last Sunday's horror, when the 26-year-old sprayed a small Texan church congregation with bullets, killing 26 people and wounding 20 others.

Kelley grew up in the semi-rural suburb of New Braunfels on San Antonio's fringe, where neighbours found the Kelley family's presence "unsettling".

"Every morning when I would go out to the front of my house … I could hear a lot of gunfire in that direction. It felt like it was next door," Robert Gonzalez told NBC News, saying the volleys would last several hours, often starting as early as 8:00am.

Kelley graduated from New Braunfels High School in 2009, where former classmates have described him as an "outcast" and one, Kayla Shearer, described him on Facebook as "twisted", according to The Independent.

Former girlfriends say he was a threatening figure.

"He ended up assaulting me. He would stalk me by repeatedly calling me — even prank calling me, saying really weird stuff," Katy Landry said in a Facebook message to NBC News.

Kelley's next two years were turbulent.

Enlisting in the Air Force, he was assigned to Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico, with the responsibility of moving passengers, cargo and personal property in military transportation. He married for the first time in 2011, but that soon ended violently.

Kelley was confined by the Air Force for 12 months after allegations he had abused his wife, Tessa, and reportedly hit his step-son hard enough to fracture his skull.

Tessa Kelley filed for divorce which was finalised in 2012, and two years later Kelley was discharged from the Air Force for bad conduct, and his rank was reduced.

Texas Governor Greg Abbott said after the shooting: "It's clear this is a person who had violent tendencies, who had some challenges, and someone who was a powder keg, seemingly waiting to go off."

Authorities are now investigating how Kelley, incarcerated by the Air Force, and denied a gun owner's permit in Texas, was able to obtain firearms.

There were other "red flags" in Kelley's history.

Back home in New Braunfels in February 2014, sheriff's deputies were called out just after 10:00pm one night to investigate a potential domestic violence case.

Citing a sheriff's office report, Comal County spokesman Paul Anthony said a friend of Kelley's then girlfriend, Danielle Shields, told authorities she received a text message that indicated "Her [Danielle's] boyfriend was abusing her".

The report says Shields reported that "her arms were red" and that Kelley had "told her to pack a bag".

When sheriff's deputies arrived, people at the home said there was a "misunderstanding" and no arrests were made.

Kelley and Danielle Shields were married two months later.

Kelley moved to Colorado later in 2014, registering to vote with an address traced to a mobile home park in Colorado Springs, home to the US Air Force Academy and other Air Force installations.

Court records again show violence.

In August he was charged with misdemeanour animal cruelty. One neighbour told a deputy that Kelley chased a dog, jumped on top of it and struck the dog with a closed fist several times, according to an incident report released on Monday.

Another neighbour said Kelley grabbed the young husky, threw it into the air, then onto the ground and dragged it to his camper.

He was given a deferred probationary sentence and ordered to pay $US368 in restitution. A protection order was issued against him in January 2015, The Denver Post reported.

He apparently moved back to Texas and sought work as a security guard, obtaining a state private security licence in June and getting a job at the Schlitterbahn water park in New Braunfels.

But he was fired after less than six weeks, the water park said in a statement.

He was then hired as a security guard at the Summit Vacation Resort, also in New Braunfels. A manager there, Claudia Varjabedian, told the Associated Press that Kelley "seemed like a nice guy" and didn't cause her any problems.

He worked there for just five weeks before he set his sights on the little church in Sutherland Springs Texas.

He appears to have targeted the church because his wife's family were part of the congregation.

Officials have said Kelley was "estranged" from his wife.

A resume posted online and linked to an email address associated with Danielle Kelley identifies her as a teacher at the church from 2009 to 2013.

Among the responsibilities it listed at the church were to "teach the children about GOD" and "be a positive influence in their life".

In the lead-up to the shooting, Kelley sent his mother-in-law threatening texts. Texas Department of Public Safety Regional director Freeman Martin said there was a domestic situation going on within the family.

Authorities recovered a Ruger AR-556 rifle at the church and two handguns from Kelley's vehicle. They say all three were purchased by Kelley.

Kelley's parents and other relatives did not return numerous messages from The Associated Press seeking comment.

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This is a key article....we have to fear the "war on Christianity" and "black government helicopters are coming to get you" mindset. 

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I keep finding Antifa under my bed
the dust bunnies are complainingLOL


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This guy was a nut, he hated everything including himself. I will now carry when I go to church because there are many who do hate the Christians and I will not allow evil to hurt people. My church has an armed guard at holiday's only but may have an under cover guard at other times, I do not know.

I know that the killing of Christians in the Middle East goes unpublished and uncared about by the press. Just a fact. Just do not want to be unarmed if a nut comes to my church.
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Originally posted by carbon20 carbon20 wrote:

You can repost what you like Med,but you never answer the question,why don't you have a health system for all,and amurika is known world wide for it's INSANE gun culture......and lack of safe guards when buying a weapon


"I don't know" is an answer. You may not accept that, but I don't. If I were in Congress I could introduce a bill trying to create a better health system. I would be hard pressed to provide care for the huge illegal immigrant population that has totaled health care in California.

I live in the United States - not amurika - which you still - cannot spell. Nor can I justify life in the inner cities where people have guns and without one you are prey to those who do. 

https://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/02/08/22_amurika.html

This is a dated reference linked to what were and will be social terrorists. Are you part of this group? If so, you are a threat to America (spelled correctly). August 22, 2002 - more than 14 years ago. That is where you should go to read this kind of trash about my country.

You most certainly should check this out.

https://forum.grasscity.com/threads/obama-appreciation-thread.1039716/

Left-wing radical (Antifa) are not Christian and currently since a large part of the Christian voter base, voted for Trump - this has become a war. It has nothing to do with health care or guns. In fact, the Anarchists need guns for they are trying to start a revolution. Social Justice Warriors are constantly talking against guns but are violent.

What would I do if I were President or in office and could actually do something?

In terms of guns:

1) I would increase the vetting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vetting
on the sale of any weapon by any pawnshop, store, or other retailer to anyone convicted of a violent crime, on certain medications, with a drug history, or mental incarceration in their past. No guns for these people.

2) All gun shows would have a central database they would search before selling a gun to anyone which still would ensure the privacy of the person. This would be very difficult to enforce.

3) Civilians never need automatic weapons for any reason. It is that simple. Anything more would be to do something illegal, kill large numbers of people, or sell to foreign nationals who then would commit terrorist acts.

This is much easier to do in Australia than America.

In terms of Health Care:

1) Realize we current do not have enough money versus taxpayers to provide a decent health care system when so many are disabled, elderly, or terminal. In these times, we have gone into such a deficit, that something has to be cut and no one wants anything cut.

2) Realize that all the once young who are now old were expected to mostly die and never live to collect anything. Social Security was a Ponzi scheme

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme


from the beginning and those who started it are mostly dead or in some sort of book of records. If they were 30 when this started they would be 112 this year.

1935 The 37-page Social Security Act signed August 14 by President Franklin D. Roosevelt. Retirement benefits only to worker, welfare benefits started.

3) the bottom line of socialists - and we do not want America to become socialist - is "we deserve to be taken care of".

It is doubtful the model used in Australia or other nations could be well implemented in the U.S. where we such huge minority populations. Let's get into why Australia's Health Care looks so good. Because they ignore their primary minority, the Aborigines, and don't count them in their studies. If they did - they would probably look as bad as the U.S.

https://www.oxfam.org.au/what-we-do/indigenous-australia/close-the-gap/australias-indigenous-health-crisis-in-depth/


A 2007 report by the Australian Medical Association also uncovered evidence of inherent discrimination in our health system. Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders do not benefit from mainstream health services to the same extent as other Australians because:
  • Health services are not accessible to many, and particularly remote, Aboriginal communities.
  • Mainstream health services often lack cultural sensitivity and remain unwelcoming places for many Indigenous peoples. The Indigenous health workforce remains disproportionately low when compared to the number of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders that make up the Australian population.
  • It fails to address other root causes. More than 200 years of dispossession, racism and discrimination have left Indigenous Australians with some of the lowest levels of education, highest levels of unemployment, poorest health and most appalling housing conditions.

comment: They are no better with their  inhabitants which were there when they came than America and its Native Americans. You were the immigrants. It was their country. You took it.

Although this thread is about the Texas shooting, I have paused to reply to your question and this is the last time I will attempt to answer it. I am not in office, I am not the President and I am not rich or able to change the current system. I do  not believe gang-linking with a group of social justice warriors is going to improve our health care or the gun situation. If there were any need for an automatic weapon, it would be a swarm of violent people trying to kill you and the result would be Anarchy.

The war on Christianity has begun and in my day - when I was younger, our health care system was good. People have ruined it - too many people who are taking and not working and paying to provide it. We didn't have big issues with Cultists sacrificing babies in the South (it happens) or huge Baphomet statues wanting equal time with crosses which are being torn down.

This in Detroit, Michigan - you wonder why there is a religious war beginning?

http://time.com/3972713/detroit-satanic-statue-baphomet/

None of this will make America better. Especially that statue.  The 4th generation is now rising up after World War II and they for the most part have no basic "family" in America.

Perhaps we can have all the people who have illegally entered the U.S. sent to Australia where you will welcome them with open arms and provide them care like you did the Aborigines. It is my thought that given them on your health care statistic, you would fall to one of the lowest levels in industrialized nations and even near one of a third-world-country.

Good luck.

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WOW !!!

so many FAUX News talking points all in one nice neat bundle LOL
nice neat package with a convenient pull top LOL

I'm not going to waste my time addressing any of them
anyone who is a high information voter is laughing right now

now excuse me
there is a pounding on my front door
and it appears a black helicopter has landed in my front yard
%$^&$#$$ Antifa again?
now where did I put that spray ???LOL
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WOW !!!

so many FAUX News talking points all in one nice neat bundle LOL
nice neat package with a convenient pull top LOL

I'm not going to waste my time addressing any of them
anyone who is a high information voter is laughing right now

now excuse me
there is a pounding on my front door
and it appears a black helicopter has landed in my front yard
%$^&$#$$ Antifa again?
now where did I put that spray ???LOL


Unfortunately, at least for some, the ones funding the people in the black helicopters are no longer in power - as one of them - James Comey lied to the investigators about many things.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Comey

We were better off when most people in the U.S. were Christian - in fact, even many of the immigrants were Catholic and at least believed in God. I would liken this to some great battle in history where dead are strewn from horizon to horizon and you come up to me and say "Oh come on now, Medclinician - where's your sense of humor?"

I have one. And I often watch old Obama clips and chuckle. What a total joke. 8 years of bad road through Hell. Not my idea of a good time.

LOL

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the percentage of people who self identify as "Christians" is right around 70%
thats an awful lot
personally speaking,despite my head of gray hair I have known only met a few who I would say were truly followers of Christ
I can count them on the fingers of one hand with a couple of fingers left over

“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”


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Alabama rep says that if the women are telling the truth about Roy Moore they should be prosecuted

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/11/10/1714503/-Alabama-rep-says-that-if-the-women-are-telling-the-truth-about-Roy-Moore-they-should-be-prosecuted

war on Christianity ???  LOL

has anyone been following this story and observing how
so called conservatives and so called Christians are tying themselves
into knots justifying and making excuses for Roy Moores child molestation

theres a war going on alright
but it is against commons sense moral values

Christianity is destroying itself by not policing itself
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...black helicopters!  LOLLOLLOL

I'm one of the Black Helicopter guys (black Chevy Suburbans is more like it), good luck to those who think they will rise up against the US government.  These guys are as tough as they look. 


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