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Global reality is very complex, blaming one group (Muslims, China, people with red hair) is much to simple. Having a debt-based world economy with fraudulent deposits as bases for debts (derivats, LIBOR-interest fraud, even precious metal-prices seem to be manipulated. The basis of the economy with a "free" market in wich the one with the most money can set the prices is asking for problems !)
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I can see how some of us may apear xenophobic.  However the majority are not. 

Please do not judge us all from one or two nutters.  Upon which subject, even they have some interesting points to make.  The whole purpose of this forum is to share information and they can still provide some usefull data.  It is up to the reader to sift out the rubbish.   

May I  respectfully point out that the latest and most extreme xenophobic rant was from someone in the guest group? 

Finally, I actually ended up joining this forum because I liked several members, and in addition to appreciating the speedy news I was driven to help out with a system from which I benefited .  If you look at us from a different angle, you might like what you see.  Generally we are a caring lot, that is why we do it. 
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I wonder if the suppliers of raw materials to Cina are covered for their exports by Letters of credit, Government guarantees etc? Could cause extreem lossses for the suppliers.
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@Lebaland, good point. The Netherlands is supporting trade by guaranteeing payment from abroud to some countries. On the other side, China is mainly growing due to export (worldwide) and for China it is a big problem if a currency is losing value. 

@Technophobe, I would like this site to be global. Of course it is nice that people from the US, UK, New Zealand, Australia, France and I believe also sometimes Germany react. English is an international language. But reactions from the Arab world, China, India and Russia are also very welcome ! (That might also improve the translations; google translate sometimes is unreadable !)
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Originally posted by Rational Rational wrote:

All of this is ridiculous!

If you think all the world's problems are the fault of China you are an idiot.

China is the number 2 economy in the world and they are corrupt and about to crash.

That will make the GFC look like kindergarten when it crashes and trigger a depression.

Also the diseases - SARS, Flu such as H5N1 and H7N9 are death dealing bugs about to hit humanity.

Death Star indeed.


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Kilt Star indeed!

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Ignorance, intolerance and a limited world view. Often, but not always, that goes hand in hand with bigotry and small minded unwillingness to consider or respect differing points of view.
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keep taking the tablets
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China's property bubble 'FINALLY AT BURSTING POINT'

Malaysia Chronicle-2 hours agoShare
BEIJING - Businessman Allen Zhao has been waiting since the middle of last year for prices in the scenic southern city of Hangzhou to rise high ...

How big is China's building bubble, again?

MacroBusiness (blog)-7 Apr 2014Share
From BNP Paribas via FTAlphaville, comes more on why China'ssuper high rate of investment is something of a problem. We all know by now ...

Robert Shiller takes a thermometer to Chinese housing

Business Spectator-6 Apr 2014
So what does Shiller think of China's emerging asset bubble, which is causing a lot of anxiety for investors? He was in China last week and ..
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China's continuing contribution to global viral diseases:


A virus never before seen in the US has killed millions of baby pigs in less than a year, and with little known about how it spreads or how to stop it, it's threatening pork production and pushing up prices by 10% or more.

Estimates vary, but one economist believes case data indicate more than 6m piglets in 27 states have died since porcine epidemic diarrhea showed up in the US last May. A more conservative estimate from the US Department of Agriculture shows the nation's pig herd has shrunk at least 3% to about 63m pigs since the disease appeared.

Scientists think the virus, which does not infect humans or other animals, came from China, but they don't know how it got into the country. The federal government is looking into how such viruses might spread, while the pork industry, wary of future outbreaks, has committed $1.7m to research the disease.

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 well spotted Doc Smile

think this pig virus is one to watch should have its own  thread 
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Hog virus in Japan pushes pork price Published: 7 Apr 2014 at 15.22Online news: TOKYO - The most deadly outbreak of a hog virus in 18 years in Japan is raising pork prices and may boost imports by the... 

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I own a restraunt,Arties Tenderloin!! Prices our up 33% and going up daily
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Originally posted by carbon20 carbon20 wrote:

 well spotted Doc Smile

think this pig virus is one to watch should have its own  thread 

For all we know, this MIGHT be economic biowarfare! 

I've studied agricultural bioterrorism at a high level, this is the type of thing we watch for.  How did a Chinese virus become disseminated in US swine herds?  

We don't import Chinese swine or other porcine products (semen etc.) that I am aware of.   

I'm sorry, I just don't trust Commies.  We have enough problems with this Putin jerk.  
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Here is the good news...as you pass 60 my family has found they eat less and less meat. I do chicken more than beef or pork. My son has never eaten much meat and don't know how he is 6'2".

We could all eat less meat, and we could all do one vegi only per week to reduce meat costs. Do an all vegi pizza or a vegi lasagna.

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I'm no veggie and love my meat but here is a trick for the "forced to reduce meat consumption" set

If you mix equal quantities of celerey, parsnip, carrot onion and mushroom then add some yeast extract after cooking they taste surprisingly beefy.  The carnivores among you will not want to swap beef for this but if you cook it WITH beef you only need about 1/2 the amount of beef for whatever recipe you are using.  Saves money and arteries!

I have yet to work out a chicken equivalent, and I do not eat pork but I am an experimental cook and will let you alll know if I crack the other recipes.
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China Property Collapse Has Begun

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonchang/2014/04/13/china-property-collapse-has-begun/?partner=yahootix


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Originally posted by Satori Satori wrote:


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China Property Collapse Has Begun

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonchang/2014/04/13/china-property-collapse-has-begun/?partner=yahootix



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China is at the point where problems are feeding on themselves.  Pessimism about property, which accounts for about 15% of China’s gross domestic product, is beginning to affect the broader economy.  Declining property values look scary, despite cheery statements from government officials who assure us the property bubble is “not big” or analysts who say that the problems are not “systemic.”  

But the Chinese don’t look like they are buying either of those views.  “If this continues, it will have immense impact on the whole Chinese economy,” says an unidentified Hangzhou real estate salesman on Economic 30 Minutes.  “Without question, everyone thinks there is a bubble.” 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonchang/2014/04/13/china-property-collapse-has-begun/

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suck on that Saskabush
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More fun & games from China....if you've read my posts, you know I've complained about Chinese agricultural practices, particularly using the feces of one species as feed for another.  This is an ancient practice in China, and the cause of many of the viral reassortment events that emanate from over there.   For example, poultry litter is routinely fed to swine, which helps pass the influenza viruses back & forth, amplifying the bug through reassortment.  

The USA imports a great deal of aquacultural products from China, particularly shrimp and tilapia.  This should give all of us some pause: 


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"A 2009 study conducted by the Economic Research Service of the U.S. Department of Agriculture cited some alarming facts about Chinese farm-raised seafood. Researchers noted that “many of China’s farms and food processors are situated in heavily industrialized regions where water, air and soil are contaminated by industrial effluents and vehicle exhaust.” 

The report also stated that it “is common practice to let livestock and poultry roam freely in fields and to spread livestock and poultry waste on fields or use it as fish feed.”

The USDA report was based on documents obtained from the Food and Drug Administration, which oversees seafood inspections.

After the study was released, news organizations, including Bloomberg and MSN.com, reported the rampant use of animal feces as food in Chinese aquaculture – specifically calling out the practice on tilapia farms."

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and human crap is also fed to pigs

chicken crap human crap all mixed with pigs - and the Chinese Death Star produces killer viruses for the rest of the world.

Can't trust them
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