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    Posted: April 14 2014 at 8:24am
http://www.climatecentral.org/blogs/tornado-drought-ends-with-a-deadly-texas-outbreak-15994

Varying reports, some of more than a hundred tornadoes, and definitely incidents in Texas and Iowa sound he alarm for disaster preparedness and review of some of the useful information on this site.

Since another mass thread on here, the Coming of an Ice Age is still possible, we are going to see shifts between icy subzero weather (which is still happening in some ares) to unstable harsh weather across the plains and the deep south.

These are not new weather patterns, yet the idea is to monitor their intensity versus the last ten years and continue to prep - with droughts, and a second winter is hitting part of the United States.


http://www.weather.com/news/weather-winter/winter-storm-live-updates-snow-ice-latest-20131106

After a taste of spring to end this past week, the Rockies and Midwest are flipping to a wintry feel as colder temperatures dive south the next couple of days. In fact, there will be just enough cold air in place to result in wet snow accumulations in parts of these regions.


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48-Hour Snowfall Forecast


Below are the forecast summaries for the regions affected by this wintry weather. The maps show where snow is falling right now, and our latest snowfall forecast.

Snow

  • On Monday, a stripe of light accumulating snow will extend along the I-35 corridor from far northern Oklahoma to the Kansas City metro area, shifting east during the day.
  • A second area of snow Monday will pull through parts of northeast Wisconsin and the U.P. of Michigan early in the day.
  • Monday evening into Tuesday, rain may change to wet snow before ending from the mid-Mississippi Valley into the in the eastern Great Lakes, Upper Ohio Valley and centra


comment: Winter is not over yet.
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As fresh water from ice melt flows into the Seas it upsets the Thermohaline current system and the fresh water freezes easier than salt water.

There are Arctic pulses - and years without summer and we get an Ice Age.

I get the impression its happening.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dutch Josh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 01 2014 at 2:58am
A large part of Western Europe did not have a real winter this winter-time. For the Netherlands April was the fifth mont in a row that will end up in the top ten of warmest months. Since december 2013 all months are 2 or 3 degrees celsius warmer than average. I was expecting a summermonth with a maximum of 40 celsius for our country, the way things develop we might see that recordtemperature this summer (with drought, bushfires, increased mortality etc). I do not know what would be better, temperatures going down-a mini ice-age or "moving into the (sub)tropics ?
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They are all horrid  Josh.  I think I prefer warmer as you can grow more crops (use excess heat to generate energy to move more water about).  That could just be my ageing joints speaking.
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No scarcasam, for once a serious statement in spite of my previous levity.

Between the dates 126,000 to 119,000 years ago the polar regions of the earth, in particular the north pole were two degrees warmer than they are now and we were having a warm period, as we are now. Then, without fear of repeating myself, as is happening now, the weather went haywire for a short period of time.  Then it slapped us with an ice age!  This put several thousand feet (for the benefit of those educated later than me up to 3 kilometers) of ice over everything north of northern Germany, the river Thames in England, most of Canada and the US and most of Asia. 

This turned us all into short, stocky caribou hunters and triggered, aparently, the development of  the modern type of brain, more suited for developing technology.  We lived in small tribes and there weren't many of us.

This lasted for 40,000+ years.  Then there was another short warm period when the ice retreated, followed by another ice age.  This was the one most people think of as "The Ice Age" it was in fact one of many.

About 13,000 years ago the whole lot started to retreat again and some big people with advanced stone weapons nipped across and took over the Americas and became Native Americans.

The rest of us ran around all over Asia, Africa and Europe forming tribes then nations and eventually doing what we do best (having wars with each other) and claiming colonies in the New World (Australasia and the Americas again).

Now the strange thing is, different times are given for each of the ice ages because ice cores are taken from different points in the polar regions.  But one thing stands out.  It appears that  over the last couple of milion years we have had long periods of ice cover, dented periodically by around (and it's fairly regular) 13,000 years of warming.  Then the weather goes crazy for a short while followed by an ice age, and the cycle repeats.

Unfortunately no one has yet really found the cause of this cycle.  There are enough theories and enough different versions of what I have just written for every paleontologist, climatologist, anthropologist, and any other 'ologist you can think of, to have his or her take on it.  If they are not retired old men, they will roughly toe the line agreed by the various  scientific institutes (that is how you keep your grants!). 

Fortunately, there are enough curious and intelligent people, in forums like this one, that are capable of thinking outside the box and ensuring the survival of the human race - along with their own.  It has been warm for about 13,000 years now.  The weather is going crazy too. Dead

   
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Originally posted by WillobyBrat WillobyBrat wrote:

...and eventually doing what we do best (having wars with each other) and claiming colonies in the New World....


LOL

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Despite a lot of denial on many parts of this we still are facing severe climate changes which may bring on a worsening of the weather in the current Ice Age.  I do receive a lot of dismal reports on extremely bitter cold which for some has been relentless and pounding storms and tornadoes.

U.S. .gov has picked up the banner and despite any real effective plan to do much, is admitting we are in the middle of some type of seriousl climate change.  Some areas are still fighting snow and weather which continues to set records.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/05/06/administration-issues-dire-climate-change-warnings-amid-regulatory-push/

The Obama administration fueled its push for energy regulations with a massive new report Tuesday linking climate change to extreme weather across the country and warning of more "climate disruption" if the nation doesn't change its ways. 

The National Climate Assessment, four years in the making, gave a region-by-region breakdown of how climate change is impacting the United States -- in the form of droughts, heat waves and increasingly intense hurricanes, according to the report. 

"Climate change, once considered an issue for a distant future, has moved firmly into the present," the 840-page report states. "Corn producers in Iowa, oyster growers in Washington state and maple syrup producers in Vermont are all observing climate-related changes that are outside of recent experience."

comment: One can hope this is not simply politicial posturing but a final admission there are issues.  What can be done about probable damage to the ozone layer and the continued pouring of chemical and HAARP?

http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/geoengineering-is-destroying-the-ozone-layer/

Restating the obvious - glaciers continue to melt in some cases at rates which over the last 20 years are much greater than usual. The dilution of the stream which helps keep us warm will result in dropping temperatures and the start of perhaps a brief but nasty hundred years which could turn the norhern United States and much of northern Europe and even more so already cold areas around the world into places very difficult to live in.

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It is beginning again in the heat of summer.

http://www.weather.com/news/weather-forecast/late-july-summer-cool-down-20140724

On the heels of one July polar invasion, yet another cooldown is in the forecast for the beginning of next week.

A large dip in the jet stream, also known as a trough, will usher cool air south from Canada into much of the central and eastern U.S. behind a cold front. Temperatures will be as much as 20 degrees below average for this time of year in some areas, and most areas will see at least one or two days with temperatures 5 to 10 degrees below average -- a noticeable difference at a time of year when many of us spend the most time outdoors.

(MORE: Coldest July Days in U.S. History)

What is notable about this cooldown is not just the fact that it will take place in mid-summer, but that it results from a pattern that seems to be frequently repeating.

The same jet stream pattern we'll see next week showed up not only in mid-July, but during much of the January-June time frame as well. As a result, much of the country east of the Rockies was much cooler than average for the first half of 2014, while the West was unusually warm.

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Strangest weather I've ever seen. I burned twice as much wood as normal last winter and burned it much farther into the spring. It's almost August and we have not hit 100 degrees yet. Been good for the garden though!
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Question: If the we are having these "cool down troughs" does that mean that the north pole is getting warmer?

I see reports that the Antarctic ice is getting bigger due to extreme cold on the south pole.

Then I see that the sun is going "silent" and we are going to get colder due to this.

Oh, yes we have the Al Gore's out there saying we have the CO2 green house effect...maybe we need it with the sun going silent.

So anyone out there know the whole story?
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It's been really humid in Southern CA these past two weeks. I was melting at Comic-Con yesterday. The high humidity also gave me an earache/ possible infection. :/
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Originally posted by hachiban08 hachiban08 wrote:

It's been really humid in Southern CA these past two weeks. I was melting at Comic-Con yesterday.


It is very humid here as well in Carmel, California.  The bottom line is whether these are just fluctuations or is there a pattern and are we headed for a century of intense cold which will  make the northern portion of the U.S. arctic.  We need to keep on this and above all prepare - that is the point here. Most of the U.S. and its people are not prepared for a major disaster of any kind, much less several.

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Originally posted by FluMom FluMom wrote:


Then I see that the sun is going "silent" and we are going to get colder due to this.


I always have to laugh whenever people say, "It's because of us humans that it's getting warmer/colder/more humid/etc"

Take a look at the big ball of fusion eight light minutes away. What's it doing?

We have an impact, but it is far less than we give ourselves credit for, and that big ball of fusing hydrogen? It has far more impact than we will ever give it credit for. I suppose that we, as a race, have delusions of grandeur, and it's cute.

But we still, to this day, can not predict the weather more than a few days out with any semblance of accuracy. Maybe someone should let Al "The center of the Earth is several million degrees" Gore and his hockey schticks in on that nasty little secret.
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Turboguy,I agree 100%.Johnray1
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Ditto
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YEP!
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Nope
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Speaking of Algore, was I just dreaming or did I really read recently that he made an almost secret deal with the Chinese for $100,000,000 to have our Edison incandescent bulbs banned and replaced with the Chinese pigtail? Don't mean to start another argument but really, when you think about it, we were warming up nicely with those bulbs and now that they're mostly gone (got my stash), all I've been hearing about is that now the globe is cooling. Maybe it's all just in the bulbs? Lets ask Chuck.
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Incandescent bulbs are seriously old school and definitely needed to go - a glowing metal filament dangling in a glass bulb with a 90-10 heat to light ratio is not the kind of technology we need to be fighting to keep in the 21st century. I think I have some floppy discs in the garage that would look great next to your stash of bulbs, though... Wink
And it was actually George Bush that signed the legislation to phase them out back in 2007. A Republican administration killed your light bulb, dude. Sorry.

"...all I've been hearing about is that now the globe is cooling...".
That's all you're hearing?

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