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    Posted: December 29 2018 at 11:27am
Despite continuous misinformation about global warming, we still are headed for another Ice Age in the next 20 years. Currently in the U.S. we are being hit by yet another Polar Vortex.

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An abnormal polar vortex is consistent with global warming. The science is difficult and complicated but fully understood - by the experts and most interested amateurs.

I don't want to explain it, as it IS complicated, but will if asked.

Over here temperatures are in + double figures. Usually they are sub-zero this time of year. Our 8 feet of snow has been replaced by green shoots and buds. FREAKY!!
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If climate change causes the "Global Conveyor,"to stop ,we could see an ice age within 10years of it stopping,it has happened before,and the resulting ice age lasted. 1000 years
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As I predicted and many other scientists have backed up, we are on the very brink of at least a small Ice Age which could last a hundred years or more. I am still working on my book for 2019 - The Coming of the Ice Age and basically all the global warming crowd are badly mistaken. The icecaps are melting diluting our Gulf Stream and the decreased saline is cooling that at a deep level and that is what keeps the U.S. and Europe warm where they usually would be buried in snow and ice. The polar vortexes are a warning. All the emission control and attempts to lower C02 could not change things, if at all, more than a few degrees over hundreds of years. What we do need to do is figure out how to deal with a frozen northern America which shuts down New York, Chicago, and most of New England.
The Ice Age is coming - and perhaps Mexico will be building a wall - not to keep people in - but to keep us from migrating by the millions south and demanding help. They have predicted temperatures as low as -60 with wind chill in parts of the U.S. within a few days - that is a reality.

Ironic isn't it? J.B. Michaels - An Ice Age - with 20 years - not if - but when.


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It is -66 F in Chicago with many homeless who will not survive this.




CWN - Crystal World News - 7 a.m. 1-30-19

Brutal cold is hitting the U.S. with temperatures hitting as low as -66 F/ -54.4 C with the windchill factor in some areas of Chicago. Despite a political barrage of false information about global warming, the melting of the ice caps at a rapid rate is diluting the gulf stream upon which the northern U.S. and Europe rely on to keep their countries at a climate above the blasting arctic vortex hitting them now. This is no surprise. It has been known for more than a decade sun cycles and magnetic influence affect our weather.

Such low solar activity has not been seen since the last mini ice age, called the Maunder Minimum, which plunged the northern hemisphere in particular into a series of bitterly cold winters between 1645 and 1715. During this the River Thames in London froze.

The prediction is based on what’s known as the Sun’s '11-year heartbeat'. The Sun’s magnetic activity is not the same year in year out, it fluctuates over a cycle that lasts between 10 and 12 years. Ever since this was discovered 172 years ago, scientists have struggled to predict what each cycle will look like.

But just last week at the National Astronomy Meeting in Wales, mathematics professor Valentina Zharkova from Northumbria University in the UK has presented a new model that can forecast what these solar cycles will look like based on the dynamo effects at play in two layers of the Sun. Zharkova says she can predict their influence with an accuracy of 97 percent.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releas…/2015/…/150709092955.htm

I have begun working on one of my new books The Coming of the Ice Age. J.B. Michaels / Medclinician

Hundreds of flights have been cancelled an mail delivery stopped in 7 states - maybe more to come. There will be more polar vortexes coming and a mini-ice age soon and probably within the next 20-30 years ... not if - but when.
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Really? http://www.avianflutalk.com/midwestern-us-due-polar-vortex_topic38766.html

and more to the point:   http://www.avianflutalk.com/edukation_topic38769_post275412.html?KW=#275412

I don't mind you re-reporting information I have already posted (although I understand it is considered rude by some). I undertstand you either fail to understand the science or believe instead some of the 'fringe' stuff (very occasionally proven right, by the way - just look at Tesla, so that is ok too). I even get that you want to promote your book. But there has been a great deal posted on this subject here recently either reporting on this vortex or debunking the pseudoscience.

So why now? Why this? The polar vortex BACKS UP global warming science. I previously explained how the science works (I think more than once) and only recently gave up then put it in kindergarden terminology. There is one of them here: http://www.avianflutalk.com/coming-of-the-ice-age-2015_topic33424_post251091.html?KW=jetstream#251091

Tesla's science was simply too advanced for the majority to understand and he was only interested in being of benefit to humanity. Valentina Zharkova on the other hand is still spouting debunked myths (more in keeping with Lamark, Reich and Papa Schimmelhorn than a genius before his time) https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2018/jan/09/the-imminent-mini-ice-age-myth-is-back-and-its-still-wrong

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With all due respect to my wife's comments and the Guardian's (which is of course a fantastically brilliant source of scientific information sich). In my lifetime I have enjoyed the friendship, at different times, of some very learned and famous scientists. They ranged from physicists to biologists. All scientists are very learned and educated people, however, appart from a half dozen of such people in the history of our civilization, most are not renowned for the level of their IQ. Which is why we have the stupid arguements as to whether global warming is due to us burning coal and driving SUVs or the sun heating up - or little green men invading from outerspace. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Arrival_(1996_film)

The fact is that we have had at least 8 ice-ages since life has been on this planet none of which have been caused by the sun, or (for the benefit of the disbelievers) secret American military personnel going back in time and driving tanks or flying helicopters around Egypt and persuading the Pharos to have pictures of them carved on the walls of the piramids. It appears, although the evidence is not complete, that the ice ages were caused by impacts by asteroids, errupting bassalt traps and other terrestrial upheavals. Minor events have occured at intervals of approximately 26 thousand years. These have produced minor ELE events.

Now it is true to say that every ice age was preceded by global warming, but these were not sudden events (with the exception of the asteroid impacts) and there is no proof that one cased the other. Most interglacial periods lasted a few thousand years, as did the galatial ones. The warm ages certainly were not all caused by human beings as we have only been on this planet for approximately 300,00 years in our present form, and around 5M years in other varieties thereof, from neanderthalers to australopithicus.

However, concerning the coming events, whether we heat up or cool down, which I have personally discussed with the late Fred Hoyle, Professor Nigel Holder and many others (I mention those 2 in particular as they were far more open minded and intellectually rounded than many of their peers, then and now.) in my opinion (for what it's worth) you should worry more about the rise in geological activity and both oceanic +sub-tundra gas releases (released by the rising temperatures) as these gasses will accelerate global warming far faster than anything the human race can achieve - short of setting off a few thousand hydrogen bombs.

The only thing you can do to mitigate the circumstances is reduce carbon based fuel use and massively increase forestation. If we fail to do this and let things run, the only real alternative is to place your head betrween yowr knees and........................
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Originally posted by Technophobe Technophobe wrote:

Really? http://www.avianflutalk.com/midwestern-us-due-polar-vortex_topic38766.html

and more to the point:   http://www.avianflutalk.com/edukation_topic38769_post275412.html?KW=#275412

I don't mind you re-reporting information I have already posted (although I understand it is considered rude by some). I undertstand you either fail to understand the science or believe instead some of the 'fringe' stuff (very occasionally proven right, by the way - just look at Tesla, so that is ok too). I even get that you want to promote your book. But there has been a great deal posted on this subject here recently either reporting on this vortex or debunking the pseudoscience.

So why now? Why this? The polar vortex BACKS UP global warming science. I previously explained how the science works (I think more than once) and only recently gave up then put it in kindergarden terminology. There is one of them here: http://www.avianflutalk.com/coming-of-the-ice-age-2015_topic33424_post251091.html?KW=jetstream#251091

Tesla's science was simply too advanced for the majority to understand and he was only interested in being of benefit to humanity. Valentina Zharkova on the other hand is still spouting debunked myths (more in keeping with Lamark, Reich and Papa Schimmelhorn than a genius before his time) https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2018/jan/09/the-imminent-mini-ice-age-myth-is-back-and-its-still-wrong

Our duty as members is to inform each other of threats to life and limb, not to continue repeating them until people stop reading the posts on our site, or using them as supposed 'proof' of clearly discredited theories.


I have been reporting on this for years. I have personally spoken to some of the people, scientists involved in this, and these are far more than "spouting debunked myths".

Medclinician:

Although I have been busy today posting links for people to find shelter in Chicago who are homeless, I will go over what I have said and have covered. Putting up a new thread on something I have been following for years - well - that is up to you.

https://mashable.com/2015/03/24/gulf-stream-slowdown-study-tipping-point/#SeOmWyyaDZqG

The Northern Hemisphere winter of 2014-15 was the warmest on record globally, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. But if you look closely at global temperature maps, it becomes clear that one area of the North Atlantic conspicuously bucked the trend, as it has during many years since 1970.

That region was, in fact, the coldest it has been since the dawn of instrument records, at up to 3.6 degrees Fahrenheit colder than average. According to a new study, this cold pool may be an indicator of a dramatic slowdown in the Gulf Stream, which transports vast amounts of heat north from the equator to the pole, passing off the East Coast of the U.S. and into the North Atlantic.

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2015/03/whats-going-on-in-the-north-atlantic/

Also in 2014 we again find a remarkable cold bubble over the northern Atlantic – as a look at the NASA website shows. 2014 was globally the warmest year on record, 1 °C warmer than the average for 1880-1920. But the subpolar Atlantic was 1-2 °C colder than that baseline. And even more recently, NOAA last week released the stunning temperature analysis for the past winter shown in Fig. 4. That winter was globally the warmest since records began in 1880. But in the subpolar North Atlantic, it was the coldest on record! That suggests the decline of the circulation has progressed even further now than we documented in the paper.

comment: I have gigs of this stuff and a lot more I am pulling together. You are welcome to read the book when it comes out and you can meet me on it's Facebook page to continue the discussion.

Who is putting out real fake news is the people about ready to make global warming into an industry, while we are going to see more and more cold weather.

It is a lot more complex in view of recent discoveries within the last six months concerning the sun's sunspot activity and how the real reason for NASA going to the moon and Mars was largely to find evidence of a solar flare event which actually took part of the matter around the sun and shot it into space. They have found particles of a crystalline substance which would indicate this may have been what toasted Mars.

It is good to be back and the book will be a lot of work. But besides just posting for 10 years I have more than 6 books out now and this one is long overdue.

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Originally posted by WillobyBrat WillobyBrat wrote:

With all due respect to my wife's comments and the Guardian's (which is of course a fantastically brilliant source of scientific information sich). In my lifetime I have enjoyed the friendship, at different times, of some very learned and famous scientists. They ranged from physicists to biologists. All scientists are very learned and educated people, however, appart from a half dozen of such people in the history of our civilization, most are not renowned for the level of their IQ. Which is why we have the stupid arguements as to whether global warming is due to us burning coal and driving SUVs or the sun heating up - or little green men invading from outerspace. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Arrival_(1996_film)

The fact is that we have had at least 8 ice-ages since life has been on this planet none of which have been caused by the sun, or (for the benefit of the disbelievers) secret American military personnel going back in time and driving tanks or flying helicopters around Egypt and persuading the Pharos to have pictures of them carved on the walls of the piramids. It appears, although the evidence is not complete, that the ice ages were caused by impacts by asteroids, errupting bassalt traps and other terrestrial upheavals. Minor events have occured at intervals of approximately 26 thousand years. These have produced minor ELE events.

Now it is true to say that every ice age was preceded by global warming, but these were not sudden events (with the exception of the asteroid impacts) and there is no proof that one cased the other. Most interglacial periods lasted a few thousand years, as did the galatial ones. The warm ages certainly were not all caused by human beings as we have only been on this planet for approximately 300,00 years in our present form, and around 5M years in other varieties thereof, from neanderthalers to australopithicus.

However, concerning the coming events, whether we heat up or cool down, which I have personally discussed with the late Fred Hoyle, Professor Nigel Holder and many others (I mention those 2 in particular as they were far more open minded and intellectually rounded than many of their peers, then and now.) in my opinion (for what it's worth) you should worry more about the rise in geological activity and both oceanic +sub-tundra gas releases (released by the rising temperatures) as these gasses will accelerate global warming far faster than anything the human race can achieve - short of setting off a few thousand hydrogen bombs.

The only thing you can do to mitigate the circumstances is reduce carbon based fuel use and massively increase forestation. If we fail to do this and let things run, the only real alternative is to place your head betrween yowr knees and........................


Thank you for posting. And yes we are in an Ice Age currently. By the way, an engineer told me the "put your head between your knees thing" just a few hours ago as he explained that we overdue for a magnetic pole flip. No, there is not a lot we can do. The tidal wave - would be more than 2 miles high and sweep across all of the U.S. Multiple eruptions along the plate edges and Hawaii would be toast in a few hours - would occur. The planet has always done this and you don't find dinosaurs or mastodons frozen standing up for no reason.

Some type of massive sun discharge deposited material on one side of the planets close in - this would have to happen over hours - not even time for them to have a "day". It is true on Mars - it is true on the moon.

I know that I am going to get static on this. Some people daring to question the global warming thing disappear.


C02 Myths on Global Warming

From Steward's book and our interview, here are Steward's top 10 global warming "myths."


Steward's Myth 1: The planet Earth will be healthier with lower CO2 levels.

He says: More CO 2 is needed to bolster plant life, which turns the gas into oxygen while also providing food. Steward's Myth 2: Rising CO2 levels cause temperatures to rise.

He says: Temperatures over time have fluctuated while CO 2 levels have remained steady. What's more, temperature increases have historically led increases in CO 2 levels. Steward's Myth 3: Sea levels will rise 20 feet by the end of the century.

He says: The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change predicts only a 17-inch rise, and "most climatologists predict a rise of only 7 or 8 inches." Steward's Myth 4: Scientists unanimously say that CO2 caused by humans is the dominant cause of global warming.

He says: Not so. "Many, many reputable scientists believe that natural factors overpower the current influence of CO 2 on global warming." Steward's Myth 5: The United States is the largest contributor of human-caused CO2.

He says: China, which has no CO 2 restrictions, has recently exceeded the United States. Plus, it is "opening a new coal-fired power plant every week, and its production of automobiles is growing at a much more rapid rate." Steward's Myth 6: Storms are more frequent and intense because of global warming.

He says: "According to the National Hurricane Center, storms are no more intense or frequent worldwide than they have been since 1850. Temperatures were high in the 1920s and 1930s when there was much less CO 2 in the atmosphere. Constant 24-7 media coverage of every significant storm worldwide just makes it seem that way. Insist on the facts, not just what some individuals or reporters say to support their cause." Steward's Myth 7: Polar bears will go extinct if this warm period continues through the 21st century.

He says: "A jawbone of a polar bear has been found that is 120,000 years old, a time during the previous interglacial when temperatures were 5 degrees Celsius warmer and sea level 19 feet higher than today. They adapted then; why not now?" Steward's Myth 8: CO2 is a pollutant.

He says: "CO 2 is a great airborne fertilizer, which, as its concentrations rise, causes additional plant growth and causes plants to need less water." Steward's Myth 9: As Earth warms, the climate will become much drier and windier.

He says: Ice cores prove the opposite. The colder times were both windier and drier. Steward's Myth 10: Higher levels of CO2 than the current 385 parts per million in the atmosphere are harmful to humans.

He says: The warning level of CO 2 in submarines isn't reached until the atmosphere has 8,000 parts per million of CO 2. So who is Steward? Below is the biography he supplied.


H. Leighton Steward

Leighton Steward is a geologist, environmentalist, author, and retired energy industry executive. He has written about the reasons for the loss of much of the Mississippi River Delta (Louisiana's national treasure) and has given advice on how the nation can achieve "no net loss" of wetlands in the future, advice that has been accepted by the Environmental Protection Agency and the Army Corps of Engineers. He was lead author on a book about nutrition and health ( Sugar Busters) that gave advice on how to lose weight and prevent and or treat diabetes. The book became a No. 1 New York Times bestseller for 16 weeks and made a significant contribution to the changes that have occurred regarding the availability of no-sugar-added, higher fiber, and low-glycemic products in the supermarkets. More recently, Steward has written a book ( Fire, Ice and Paradise) that is an endeavor to educate the nonscientist about the many causes of global climate change so that readers will be better prepared to understand what they hear, see, and read about in the media and from the politicians. He has received numerous environmental awards, including the regional EPA Administrator's Award for environmental excellence. He is chairman of the board of the Institute for the Study of Earth and Man at Southern Methodist University, was chairman of the National Wetlands Coalition, and was twice chairman of the Audubon Nature Institute. He currently serves on the boards or boards of visitors of the M. D. Anderson Cancer Center, EOG Resources, the Buffalo Bill Historical Center, and the Southwest Research Institute and is an emeritus member of the Tulane University board. His current interest lies in helping to educate the public and politicians about the benefits of carbon dioxide (CO 2) as it relates to the plant and animal kingdoms and their related ecosystems and habitats and to the general health of humanity. Do you agree with Steward or with Al Gore? Weigh in below with your comments.

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here here WillobyBrat ,

you do omit the Pandemic option,

as for an Ice Age ,

greenland is melting,

this could cause the "Global Conveyer" to stop .......


Image result for global conveyorenviroliteracy.org
The global ocean conveyor belt is a constantly moving system of deep-ocean circulation driven by temperature and salinity. The great ocean conveyor moves water around the globe. The ocean is not a still body of water.Jun 25, 2018
What is the global ocean conveyor belt?
https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/conveyor.html
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Debunked is debunked, Med. You are as entitled to your beliefs as anyone, but I seriously disagree on the science. I read the fringe stuff too; Nexus is my favourite magazine. But reading this stuff is one thing, believing it another entirely.

As to the conveyor, it has already slowed. Mother nature however is a stubborn cow. Systems automatically descend towards equillibrium, all systems, even climate. If one source of heat transference fails, another will take over. Europe and the Eastern US may chill slightly for a decade or so, till the heat dam breaks, but this is unlikely to do more than buy us lucky ones a few extra years before baking with the rest.

There is (despite the mainstream view) a soupcon of a chance the system could flip into a galatial period, but no sensible person would bet on those odds.

You could be on to something with the magnetic pole flip. The top scientists are mostly guessing the next step for that one. All their projections for the destination of the pole year by year are way off, so the mathematical models must be flawed.
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My belief is we are on the verge of an Ice Age. Daily people are talking to me from Canada and in cities that are in bad shape from this. Even in the Sierras we save 8 feet of snow in 24 hours.

This is not a bunch of crazy people with conspiracy theories. The Gulf Stream is messed up and it has nothing to do with C02. We are seeing the effects of a solar cycle which is effecting the earth and I am following through with a book on this.

I will not be popular. Too many people have hitched their wagons to the global warming hysteria. What is keeping people alive in many of the hard hit areas if fossil fuel - coal and oil. Place where the wind is crazy and there is little sunlight cannot use clean energy - they must stay alive as well as using heat to keep work places going. We have save the whale people 30 years behind the time.

People will come out and write books soon copying my ideas and even the name of my book. I will get mine out in time and after all.. I am a decent author. Temperatures are dropping even here next to the ocean and we may see snow yet where there hasn't been snow in 50 years.
The Coming of the Ice Age - maybe a short one- 20 - 100 years but soon and it would shut down most of New England, Chicago, and the northern United States. It is happening.

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We are in one of the worst storms in California history and my friends in Canada are freezing. There is some reporting in the mainstream about savage snow which made Nancy Pelosi's plane have to return unable to land on the way to a funeral of the longest member of congress to ever serve. The Ice Age is coming. There is very little mention by the Global Warming messiahs as they try to take away our jets, our cars, and our fossil fuels which is now keeping many people alive northern America. The word vortex is now eliminated from most media reports.

[URL=https://usanewssite.com/world/lawmakers-honor-dingell-at-30k-feet-after-plane-turns-back/%5d%5d%5d]https://usanewssite.com/world/lawmakers-honor-dingell-at-30k-feet-after-plane-turns-back/%5d%5d][/URL]https://usanewssite.com/world/lawmakers-honor-dingell-at-30k-feet-after-plane-turns-back/

My cousin in Sierra, the skeptic of all skeptics and an engineer and CEO of a computer company said to me yesterday as snow continued to pile up outside "John, the ice age is here."

Stay tuned.

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meanwhile things are moving in the opposite direction:
Quote Less snow cover, shorter winters in Finland since 1960s
Finnish Meteorological Institute researchers said the reduction in snow cover was caused by global climate change and is likely to accelerate.

https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/less_snow_cover_shorter_winters_in_finland_since_1960s/10646324

Our children when they come to visit at Christmas time often miss out on the snow.
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Currently we are having yet another unseasonably warm spell over here, all over Scandanavia and the summer heat in Australia is breaking records and hearts.

OK, so North America is having an unusually cold spell. It is simply the unlucky one at the moment. Over the whole world the trend is warmer. Hot air and hot water move faster. This creates vortices (eddy currents in a loop) and one of these dragged some cold air down from the Arctic onto the folks in the USA. It took heat up to the Arctic in exchange. To make the effects of this vortex worse, larger continental masses are more vulnerable to the effects of such things than islands and smaller land masses. The sea acts as an hot water bottle in winter and a cold one in summer.

'The Day After Tomorrow' was just a film, Med. There is a 'global warming can trigger an ice age' hypothesis around, but in scientific circles its accuracy is considered far less likely than a lottery win, it even raises a few sniggers. It does not qualify for the title of 'A Theory'; an hypothesis has to be widely accepted among scientists and/or intellectuals to be classed as one of those. This isn't! (I do buy a lottery ticket though when there is a double rollover or more, you never know.)

If you want to stop the extreme weather from increasing, join the climate change activists. It is probably too late to do anything now but it is worth a try.
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12 Monkeys...............
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[To quote the last of those articles:]

Though Amoc may contribute to a slight dip in temperatures, he added this should not be seen as some kind of antidote for human-induced global warming.

"The most likely scenario is that the Northern Hemisphere and the UK will continue to warm," he said.

[They also mentioned how unlikely the cooling senario is.

In other words, there is a slight risk of a small localised cooling.

Physics and chemistry have revealed the three laws of thermodynamics (or four if you follow more recent stuff). The first law states that energy cannot be created or destroyed. This is not a law you can appeal; it is absolute. The energy from the sun is absorbed by the Earth and radiated out into space again. The only things that can change the amount of heat here on Earth, are increasing or decreasing absorbtion of solar radiation, or increasing or decreasing the loss of heat into space (as we are not able to influence the sun - yet). CO2 is a very efficient blanket. Heat in = heat out, means equillibrium. Heat in > heat out, means temperature increase.

All other effects (like the polar vortices) are simply local phenomena.]
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Wasn't the Earth warmer 2 degrees on average a mere 100 years ago by the way?
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