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Imagine the Earth as a spaceship with it's exhaust system plugged into the Air supply.....

Coz that's what we have, We need to vent the CO2 into Space.....
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SBS News: Evidence for man-made global warming hits 'gold standard' according to scientists.
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/evidence-for-man-made-global-warming-hits-gold-standard-according-to-scientists
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Oh-I get so tired of this....here in the Netherlands today we may get close to 20C-65F-in february ! All longer term statistics indicate the opposite of an ice-age !

In geological terms we most likely could expect a "colder period" wich makes the fact that we do not have that "cold" even (far) worse !

https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/Wutip-Hits-160-mph-First-Category-5-Typhoon-Ever-Recorded-February

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10217739033325082&set=a.1873759521225&type=3&theater
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Oh and another thing, Med, no one is suggesting that the people experiencing a big freeze have to stop heating their homes. How stupid do you think we are?* The suggestion is that over a few years the METHOD of heating their houses needs to change.

The alternative is more of the same and worse too.



                                                                                         
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*Oh I forgot, I am female my brain must overheat.   ((()))
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My grandma,never had heating only a small gas fire in the one downstair room she had it had three bedrooms outside toilet,
She was always layered up with the handknitted jumpers she knitted...
No central heating for the 55 years she lived in that house....
Moral of story......we have become a very "weak species"....
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By the way:

Yesterday we broke all records for temperature in Winter.
We broke that record today.

Nice, but scary!
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BBC News - Climate change: Ban gas grid for new homes 'in six years'
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Originally posted by Technophobe Technophobe wrote:

Currently we are having yet another unseasonably warm spell over here, all over Scandanavia and the summer heat in Australia is breaking records and hearts.

OK, so North America is having an unusually cold spell. It is simply the unlucky one at the moment. Over the whole world the trend is warmer. Hot air and hot water move faster. This creates vortices (eddy currents in a loop) and one of these dragged some cold air down from the Arctic onto the folks in the USA. It took heat up to the Arctic in exchange. To make the effects of this vortex worse, larger continental masses are more vulnerable to the effects of such things than islands and smaller land masses. The sea acts as an hot water bottle in winter and a cold one in summer.

'The Day After Tomorrow' was just a film, Med. There is a 'global warming can trigger an ice age' hypothesis around, but in scientific circles its accuracy is considered far less likely than a lottery win, it even raises a few sniggers. It does not qualify for the title of 'A Theory'; an hypothesis has to be widely accepted among scientists and/or intellectuals to be classed as one of those. This isn't! (I do buy a lottery ticket though when there is a double rollover or more, you never know.)

If you want to stop the extreme weather from increasing, join the climate change activists. It is probably too late to do anything now but it is worth a try.


First off, what is happening for you in Australia has nothing to do with what is going to happen with the dilution of the Gulf stream here in America and in Europe. That was the theme of The Day After Tomorrow which was more than just a film. It was scientific reality of a phenomena which is effecting us. Don't feel so smug and warm in Australia. We are also headed for a pole shift which may very likely make the new Antarctica. You know there are sediment containing jungle at the South Pole and Australia was once not vast desert.

Anarctica once an ocean

Our research shows that before about 50,000 years ago, much of Australia’s interior was a very different place to the scatter of salt-crusted lakes and sand ridges seen today. By analysing ancient shorelines fringing Lake Eyre and Lake Frome, two of Australia’s largest inland lakes, we found evidence of a “time of plenty”, when perennial inland rivers fed huge, permanent mega-lakes.

The scene probably featured more vegetation than today, large herbivores and diverse aquatic ecosystems spanning hundreds of kilometres of teeming estuaries and rivers. Lake Eyre itself stood 25 m deep and with a volume of some 380 cubic kilometres (roughly 700 Sydney Harbours).

These inland mega-lakes were fed by big rivers such as Cooper Creekand the Diamantina River, which pumped large volumes of water into the continental interior every year to fill the lakes to the levels shown by the position of their ancient beaches. Mega-Lake Eyre held roughly ten times the water volume achievable under today’s wettest climate, and if present now would rank among the ten largest lakes (in area) on Earth.


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I notice they have changed the terminology to "climate change" from "global warming". This is because now they are covered when things go Ice Age in America and Europe.

This whole warming thing is a very carefully orchestrated big money thing which has been pushed so much by the Democrats to try and shut down our coal and oil - which are competing with Russia and even the Middle East, they are impervious to the real cause effecting our climate
electromagnetic energy from the sun.

Let me put it to you, and what will be in my book - in 30 seconds. Get a small magnetic and a paper clip. Hold the magnet one inch from the paper clip. In an instant you over come the entire gravitation force of earth and it's mass with half inch magnetic.

The force of gravity which they have been preaching effects us all from all the planets nad so forth is nothing compared to effect of the Sun's electromagnetic fields. In fact, frequently in history we have had micro-novas on our own sun. We can prove this by the existence of crystals formed on planetary surfaces and the main mission to the moon was to look for evidence of this. And they found them.

Is my data current? Sure is.

Micronovas influence on Climate

"It would be the most dynamic coronal mass ejection in modern history, recreating its spectrum through plasma interaction as it expands and cools. The shockwave has the chance to be the two in a one-two punch."


February 05, 2019
Earth Catastrophe Cycle: Dig In

Dig in... or don't... you might survive anyway. This is episode 16 of Ben Davidson's Earth Catastrophe Cycle - Dig in. Episode 15 was the first episode in the series to deal with surviving the catastrophe unleashed by our Sun going micronova. In this...

February 07, 2019
Earth Catastrophe Cycle: Pole shift

Here's another excellent video by Ben Davidson... part 9 of Earth Catastrophe Cycle - Pole shift. Solar flares are already known to change the Earth's rotation, now imagine one 100 to 1 000 times larger than what is known. How does the crust unlock from the...

January 15, 2019
Earth Catastrophe Cycle: Plasma formations

Plasma formations are the key to understanding ancient accounts of the catastrophe, to understanding what could happen in the future, and to monitoring for signs of its coming.

comment: No doubt this has happened before and also we nearing our 11 year old Sun Cycle but there is another cycle which happens every 400 years. Since they have only been measuring this for a little more than 400 years we need to develop a new method of testing these crystal for evidence - am working on that.

Could we survive this? Well - apparently we have already survived several but I would not want to be in Australia on a clear blue sky when it hits.

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For God's sake think, Med!

There was no gulf stream, or even a gulf to have a stream, in the early carboniferous. Even the output of the sun was microscopically less than it is now. Yet the temperatures were considerably higher. Why? Because the carbon which went on to form the fossil fuel layer was not yet laid down.

We are releasing that carbon once again and the temperatures over the whole Earth are rising. Hot air moves faster. This creates eddies. The warming of the Poles is disrupting the flow of the jetstream. A series of unfortunate eddies and a kink in the jetstream are making North America temporarily cold.

By the way neither of your links work for me. The first is unavailable in Europe and the second is page not found.

Yes, the thermohaline current is weakening. Yes, the thermohaline carries warm water past the coasts of the Eastern United states and Western Europe. But it cools the Pacific at the same time and is not the only method the world uses to redistribute its heat. As the water currents weaken, the wind strengthens. Simple physics!   We could get a lengthy cold snap in the Atlantic, but it would be A, temporary, B, local and C, driven by the overall warming if it happens at all which is in dispute among all but the looniest fringes of science. As an additional point, if the current cold was caused by said current weakening, the Eastern United States would be colder and the Midwest warmer.

Your paperclip argument is specious. The strength of magnetic effects and gravitic effects are not generically comparable. They are specific. Strength of local gravity and strength of applied magnetism effect the result. Also simple physics!

Magnetic effects of the sun might elicit a shift of magnetic poles, but to suggest that this could change the planet's rotation or orbit or anything else gravitic is ludicrous! A coronal mass ejection is always a possibility and would undoubtedly be catastrophic, but has no bearing on current global warming or cooling. As a couple of points of interest: The sun's surface is composed of plasma and the last coronal mass ejection which hit the Earth (The Carrington Event) had a huge effect on electrical systems, but no significant effect on climate.

Antartica is a landmass underneath the ice. Only continental drift could turn it into ocean. That would take a while.

Now, if I may quote you:
Originally posted by Medclinician Medclinician wrote:



The Day After Tomorrow which was more than just a film. It was scientific reality of a phenomena which is effecting us.

Where are you getting your information? Futurama?* Comic books? Tarot cards? The vast majority of the scientific community finds that hypothesis rather flawed. But it was a great film! Mind you, so was Independance Day, yet I don't think the aliens are about to invade.

"The Day After Tomorrow" Made NASA's silly sci-fy film list and even made the top ten of "Least accurate science in films in "Popular Mecanics"**. Kind scientists call it bad science, cruel ones just laugh at it - gasping for breath!. It is based on a series of ludicrous axioms. It is a good story. But it is not science. It does not even deserve the epithet "theory". It is barely an hypothesis.

Finally, "Climate change" still means overall warming, but has been expanded to include changes in weather patterns as a result thereof, which can produce local cooling.

Oh Med! PLEASE THINK! I can explain it to you as often as you wish, but I can't understand it for you.

Refrences:

Geosciences society:   https://paw.princeton.edu/article/geosciences-society-takes-day-after-tomorrow
Climatesight (science from the inside):   https://climatesight.org/2012/04/26/the-day-after-tomorrow-a-scientific-critique/
Centre For Climate and Energy Solutions (basics):   https://www.c2es.org/content/the-day-after-tomorrow-could-it-really-happen/
Southampton University - how 20 years of cooling is possible locally - then warming resumes:   https://www.southampton.ac.uk/news/2015/10/could-the-day-after-tomorrow-happen.page
Yale University (how the film affected belief systems:   https://www.yaleclimateconnections.org/2014/11/the-long-melt-the-lingering-influence-of-the-day-after-tomorrow/
And absolute hilarity from Princeton University:   https://paw.princeton.edu/article/geosciences-society-takes-day-after-tomorrow

I could go on.....and on..........and on.


*Apologies to Futurama! Their science is less flawed than this.

**Silly Lists
NASA:   https://phys.org/news/2011-01-nasa-silly-sci-fi-flawed.html
Popular Mechanics: https://www.popularmechanics.com/culture/movies/g753/the-10-most-and-least-accurate-sci-fi-movies/
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The rise of Papua New Guinea,due to vulcanic Action,caused the centre of Australia to "DRYOUT".
And if you know anything about the "Global Conveyor" you would know that it is very much connected to Australia......


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Hey Med! I have a book with a great section on phrenology. Want to borrow it to increase your scientific acumen?

I even know someone who claims to make you smarter with reverse phrenology (small hammer). ............
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I tried to research micronovas. This was all I could find:

https://www.exopolitics.org/impending-solar-flash-event-supported-by-scientific-studies-insider-testimony/

The homepage of the site carried the articles: "Will Deeep State Disclose Buried Antarctic Civilization to Distract from Looming Mass Arrests?", "Navy Insiders Corroborate Secret Antarctic Space Fleet & Mission to Oumuamua" and best of all "Statement on David Icke being Banned from entering Australia"

It did mention Ben Davidson having stuff published. But this is specious again. Anyone can have stuff published; this is not the same as being published in a peer reviewed scientific journal. He also quotes some respectable scientists.

I quoted Einstein in primary school; that does not mean I fully understood him.
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Originally posted by Medclinician Medclinician wrote:

This whole warming thing is a very carefully orchestrated big money thing which has been pushed so much by the Democrats to try and shut down our coal and oil - which are competing with Russia and even the Middle East, they are impervious to the real cause effecting our climate
electromagnetic energy from the sun.


Or conversely, opposition to clean energy is being pushed by the GOP who are owned - body and soul - by the fossil fuel lobby who stand to lose if we finally see sense and turn over to 100% renewable energy sources. It's not a conspiracy. If anything, it's just Democrats understanding science far better than their Bible bashing counterparts on the right, who clearly fail to grasp the enormity of the situation. There are far too many lawmakers in positions of power espousing faith in God as the answer to climate change - we need commonsense solutions, and so far that is not coming from the Republican leadership.

Climate change is caused by global warming - they are two different things. Nobody changed the name. Personally, I wish they'd never coined the phrase, because it just just confuses idiots like Trump who see every cold day as proof that they're right in denying climate change.

I agree with Techno - what we're more likely in danger of recreating here is the early Carboniferous period. Not somewhere I want my grandchildren to grow up, but that's just me.





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On the whole, I do not see Democrats as 'better' than Republicans. One has an understanding of people and their needs and one understands money. Too much of either is bad news.

(This current Republican line-up is diminished greatly by its leader and further by the loss of a few others recently, like McCain, but that is another matter.)

But if you do some digging into the vital question of: "Who owns whom?" and the equally vital: "where is the money going?" it becomes very obvious that Jacksdad is completely correct on that point.

We all read the stories on the sites that agree with our original viewpoint. It is very hard to listen to the 'propaganda' of the opposing side. However, the futures of our species and many others, depends upon us getting this right. Religion teaches us morality, but it does so from an historical viewpoint. Climate change did not visibly exist in Biblical times. It is time now to start using the brains God gave us. If we fail to learn the lessons we have been avoiding, God will have to start again.

We owe it to our grandchildren, the persistance of our chosen faiths (The Bible is rendered worthless if there is no one left to read it.) and the self respect (which is due to an active informed mind) to learn more about the real world. If you love CNN, try watching Fox: if you love Fox, try watching CNN AND THEN DO A BIT OF RESEARCH TO FIND OUT WHO IS TELLING THE TRUTH!

I did. It hurt sometimes. But it was worth it.

I know Jacksdad to be correct on this subject. But don't take my word for it. Do some real research. Look at both sides AND THEN CHECK UP FOR YOURSELF!
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Originally posted by Medclinician Medclinician wrote:



I notice they have changed the terminology to "climate change" from "global warming". This is because now they are covered when things go Ice Age in America and Europe.


I believe I have already explained this, Med. But as you have great difficulty accepting or understanding (I don't know which) these things, This is a perfect example of the widened parameters of climate change.
https://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/breaking-destructive-tornadoes-strike-alabama-georgia-sunday-afternoon/70007598. Like all extreme weather, it is not guaranteed to be caused by global warming. But, like all extreme weather events, global warming renders it more common, more severe and more widespread than it would have been. Hence the new term 'climate change'.

On the subject of not listening, may I point out again that CO2 is NOT, I repeat NOT a plant food. CO2 is a poison to ALL life. The full explanation is on page two of this thread, just after Chuck's post and a few posts before you said this:
Originally posted by Medclinician Medclinician wrote:

The reason we are no longer in agreements which would not even effect China or many of the major producers of C02 is that a rise in C02 is actually causing plants to thrive and whatever measure we took would only effect the climate by a few degrees for centuries.


Not that I expect you to absorb any of it. Why change the habits of a lifetime?
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