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    Posted: July 24 2017 at 1:40pm
This has got to be the most ridiculous falsehood ever perpetrated by the mainstream media. They continue stating it has been clearly shown the Russians hacked into Hillary's emails and the DNC and that Donald Trump colluded with them to win the elcection.
This is pure fiction. I have not posted for a long time merely because I am trying to get together an Independent News Channel to shoot down all the lies from Washington Post, CNN, and New York Times.

The Democrats cannot accept the fact the it was Hillary bad campaign and lack of ability that lost the election.

The allegation – now accepted as incontrovertible fact by the “mainstream” media – that the Russian intelligence services hacked the Democratic National Committee (and John Podesta’s emails) in an effort to help Donald Trump get elected recently suffered a blow from which it may not recover.

Crowdstrike is the cybersecurity company hired by the DNC to determine who hacked their accounts: it took them a single day to determine the identity of the culprits – it was, they said, two groups of hackers which they named “Fancy Bear” and “Cozy Bear,” affiliated respectively with the GRU, which is Russian military intelligence, and the FSB, the Russian security service.

How did they know this?

These alleged “hacker groups” are not associated with any known individuals in any way connected to Russian intelligence: instead, they are identified by the tools they use, the times they do their dirty work, the nature of the targets, and other characteristics based on the history of past intrusions.

Yet as Jeffrey Carr and other cyberwarfare experts have pointed out, this methodology is fatally flawed. “It’s important to know that the process of attributing an attack by a cybersecurity company has nothing to do with the scientific method,” writes Carr:

“Claims of attribution aren’t testable or repeatable because the hypothesis is never proven right or wrong. Neither are claims of attribution admissible in any criminal case, so those who make the claim don’t have to abide by any rules of evidence (i.e., hearsay, relevance, admissibility).”

Likening attribution claims of hacking incidents by cybersecurity companies to intelligence assessments, Carr notes that, unlike government agencies such the CIA, these companies are never held to account for their misses:

“When it comes to cybersecurity estimates of attribution, no one holds the company that makes the claim accountable because there’s no way to prove whether the assignment of attribution is true or false unless (1) there is a criminal conviction, (2) the hacker is caught in the act, or (3) a government employee leaked the evidence.”

This lack of accountability may be changing, however, because Crowdstrike’s case for attributing the hacking of the DNC to the Russians is falling apart at the seams like a cheap sweater.

To begin with, Crowdstrike initially gauged its certainty as to the identity of the hackers with medium confidence.” However, a later development, announced in late December and touted by the Washington Post, boosted this to “high confidence.” The reason for this newfound near-certainty was their discovery that “Fancy Bear” had also infected an application used by the Ukrainian military to target separatist artillery in the Ukrainian civil war. As the Post reported:

“While CrowdStrike, which was hired by the DNC to investigate the intrusions and whose findings are described in a new report, had always suspected that one of the two hacker groups that struck the DNC was the GRU, Russia’s military intelligence agency, it had only medium confidence.

 “Now, said CrowdStrike co-founder Dmitri Alperovitch, ‘we have high confidence’ it was a unit of the GRU. CrowdStrike had dubbed that unit ‘Fancy Bear.’”

Crowdstrike published an analysis that claimed a malware program supposedly unique to Fancy Bear, X-Agent, had infected a Ukrainian targeting application and, using GPS to geo-locate Ukrainian positions, had turned the application against the Ukrainians, resulting in huge losses:

“Between July and August 2014, Russian-backed forces launched some of the most-decisive attacks against Ukrainian forces, resulting in significant loss of life, weaponry and territory.

 “Ukrainian artillery forces have lost over 50% of their weapons in the two years of conflict and over 80% of D-30 howitzers, the highest percentage of loss of any other artillery pieces in Ukraine’s arsenal.”

Alperovitch told the PBS News Hour that “Ukraine’s artillery men were targeted by the same hackers, that we call Fancy Bear, that targeted DNC, but this time they were targeting cell phones to try to understand their location so that the Russian artillery forces can actually target them in the open battle. It was the same variant of the same malicious code that we had seen at the DNC.”

He told NBC News that this proved the DNC hacker “wasn’t a 400-pound guy in his bed,” as Trump had opined during the first presidential debate – it was the Russians.

The only problem with this analysis is that is isn’t true. It turns out that Crowdstrike’s estimate of Ukrainian losses was based on a blog post by a pro-Russian blogger eager to tout Ukrainian losses: the Ukrainians denied it. Furthermore, the hacking attribution was based on the hackers’ use of a malware program called X-Agent, supposedly unique to Fancy Bear. Since the target was the Ukrainian military, Crowdstrike extrapolated from this that the hackers were working for the Russians.

All somewhat plausible, except for two things: To begin with, as Jeffrey Carr pointed out in December, and now others are beginning to realize, X-Agent isn’t unique to Fancy Bear. Citing the findings of ESET, another cybersecurity company, he wrote:

“Unlike Crowdstrike, ESET doesn’t assign APT28/Fancy Bear/Sednit to a Russian Intelligence Service or anyone else for a very simple reason. Once malware is deployed, it is no longer under the control of the hacker who deployed it or the developer who created it. It can be reverse-engineered, copied, modified, shared and redeployed again and again by anyone. In other words? – ?malware deployed is malware enjoyed!

 “In fact, the source code for X-Agent, which was used in the DNC, Bundestag, and TV5Monde attacks, was obtained by ESET as part of their investigation!

 “During our investigations, we were able to retrieve the complete Xagent source code for the Linux operating system….”

 “If ESET could do it, so can others. It is both foolish and baseless to claim, as Crowdstrike does, that X-Agent is used solely by the Russian government when the source code is there for anyone to find and use at will.”

Secondly, the estimate Crowdstrike used to verify the Ukrainian losses was supposedly based on data from the respected International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS). But now IISS is disavowing and debunking their claims:

“[T]he International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS) told [Voice of America] that CrowdStrike erroneously used IISS data as proof of the intrusion. IISS disavowed any connection to the CrowdStrike report. Ukraine’s Ministry of Defense also has claimed combat losses and hacking never happened….

 “’The CrowdStrike report uses our data, but the inferences and analysis drawn from that data belong solely to the report’s authors,” the IISS said. “The inference they make that reductions in Ukrainian D-30 artillery holdings between 2013 and 2016 were primarily the result of combat losses is not a conclusion that we have ever suggested ourselves, nor one we believe to be accurate.’

“One of the IISS researchers who produced the data said that while the think tank had dramatically lowered its estimates of Ukrainian artillery assets and howitzers in 2013, it did so as part of a ‘reassessment” and reallocation of units to airborne forces.’

 “’No, we have never attributed this reduction to combat losses,” the IISS researcher said, explaining that most of the reallocation occurred prior to the two-year period that CrowdStrike cites in its report.

 “’The vast majority of the reduction actually occurs … before Crimea/Donbass,’ he added, referring to the 2014 Russian invasion of Ukraine.”

The definitive “evidence” cited by Alperovitch is now effectively debunked: indeed, it was debunked by Carr late last year, but that was ignored in the media’s rush to “prove” the Russians hacked the DNC in order to further Trump’s presidential ambitions. The exposure by the Voice of America of Crowdstrike’s falsification of Ukrainian battlefield losses – the supposedly solid “proof” of attributing the hack to the GRU – is the final nail in Crowdstrike’s coffin. They didn’t bother to verify their analysis of IISS’s data with IISS – they simply took as gospel the allegations of a pro-Russian blogger. They didn’t contact the Ukrainian military, either: instead, their confirmation bias dictated that they shaped the “facts” to fit their predetermined conclusion.

Now why do you suppose that is? Why were they married so early – after a single day – to the conclusion that it was the Russians who were behind the hacking of the DNC?

Crowdstrike founder Alperovitch is a Nonresident Senior Fellow of the Atlantic Council, and head honcho of its “Cyber Statecraft Initiative” – of which his role in promoting the “Putin did it” scenario is a Exhibit A. James Carden, writing in The Nation, makes the trenchant point that “The connection between Alperovitch and the Atlantic Council has gone largely unremarked upon, but it is relevant given that the Atlantic Council – which is funded in part by the US State Department, NATO, the governments of Latvia and Lithuania, the Ukrainian World Congress, and the Ukrainian oligarch Victor Pinchuk – has been among the loudest voices calling for a new Cold War with Russia.” Adam Johnson, writing on the FAIR blog, adds to our knowledge by noting that the Council’s budget is also supplemented by “a consortium of Western corporations (Qualcomm, Coca-Cola, The Blackstone Group), including weapons manufacturers (Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, Northrop Grumman) and oil companies (ExxonMobil, Shell, Chevron, BP).”

Johnson also notes that CrowdStrike currently has a $150,000 / year, no-bid contract with the FBI for “systems analysis.”

Nice work if you can get it.

This last little tidbit gives us some insight into what is perhaps the most curious aspect of the Russian-hackers-campaign-for-Trump story: the FBI’s complete dependence on Crowdstrike’s analysis. Amazingly, the FBI did no independent forensic work on the DNC servers before Crowdstrike got its hot little hands on them: indeed, the DNC denied the FBI access to the servers, and, as far as anyone knows, the FBI never examined them. BuzzFeed quotes an anonymous “intelligence official” as saying “Crowdstrike is pretty good. There’s no reason to believe that anything they have concluded is not accurate.”

There is now.

Alperovitch is scheduled to testify before the House Intelligence Committee, and one wonders if our clueless – and technically challenged – Republican members of Congress will question him about the debunking of Crowdstrike’s rush to judgment. I tend to doubt it, since the Russia-did-it meme is now the Accepted Narrative and no dissent is permitted – to challenge it would make them “Putin apologists”! (Although maybe Trey Gowdy, the only GOPer on that panel who seems to have any brains, may surprise me.)

As I’ve been saying for months, there is no evidence that the Russians hacked the DNC: none, zilch, nada. Yet this false narrative is the entire basis of a campaign launched by the Democrats, hailed by the Trump-hating media, and fully endorsed by the FBI and the CIA, the purpose of which is to “prove” that Trump is “Putin’s puppet,” as Hillary Clinton put it. Now the investigative powers of the federal government are being deployed to confirm that the Trump campaign “colluded” with the Kremlin in an act the evidence for which is collapsing.

This whole affair is a vicious fraud. If there is any justice in this world – and there may not be – the perpetrators should be charged, tried, and jailed.

comment: Obviously all the media need a reality check as well as the failing Democratic party. Fueled by social justice warriors and over-the-hill actors and celebrities trying to get attention- the comedy continues.

There is nothing to find out. If there was it would have been used in the election and released weeks before it.

Mainstream media - you have serious issues, cannot be trusted, and flagrantly still publish lies and fake stories.

The nation, the world needs a new Independent Media because you can neither be trusted or believed. You target the gullible with things they want to hear and continue to endanger our national security and safety of our citizens.

Let us hope more and more will sue you and besides just retractions exact the pound of flesh they so richly deserve.

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We have no way of telling if this "whole affair" was a fraud or not.  An open, nonpartisan investigation is the only way to show that.  Plenty of claims have been made saying it is true.  Plenty have been made saying it is false.  There is no point in my hunting down "the evidence shows there was" articles, neither is there a point in your doing the opposite.  Both sides have too much to gain/lose to stick to the truth.  Only open inquiries will show which side is lying.  

It is a bit telling that Trump was looking for ways to pardon people...........................  But, even that is not proof - the innocent would search for that too.  The other side is vicious as well.  Again his nepotism and repeated sacking of anyone who dares to disagree with him could be telling - it looks that way to me- but, this could be driven by nervousness-stemming-from-psychological-insecurity rather than nervousness-that-the-truth-will-emerge.  Who can tell?  Not you or I, Med.  If you think you know, you are deluding yourself.

Yes, his campaign was better.  He has a far better grasp of publicity than Hilary's people.  That does not make him better (or her better for that matter) just more publicity savvy.

For what it is worth, I think it was true.  That is, however, only my opinion.  I could be wrong, I was wrong about Spicer.  This post is just your belief, Med.  Both sides should have their day in court.  Only that way will the truth stand any chance of emerging.  Currently it is drowned out by pointless claim and counter claim.  

Worse still, the pro-Democrat side is doing no research that might show Trump exonerated and the pro-Republican does no research that might show him guilty.  We are entrenched on both sides to the point that logic is lost.

Assuming him innocent, (he is getting nowhere with his policies, despite Republican majorities everywhere) the time wasted on this is ludicrous!  Get it out in court!  Then everyone can move on.  

As for the media, they are independent.  So they hate him, tough!  They are still reporting the closest thing to the truth they can ascertain.  For an absolute certainty this is closer to the truth than Trump's tweets.  They are subject to independent oversight; Trump only gets caught out by accident when he frames fake pictures from Time magazine. Falsely accusing them of falsehoods, just serves to antagonize them further.  Though they will not make up the news - it is more than their jobs are worth, they will hunt down unfavorable truths to publish - in their own defense!  

Trump could do with learning that you catch more flies with honey than vinegar.  The rest of us, you included, Med, need to learn that if you only look at one side, you only see one side.

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In most cases, the MSM have merely been reporting easily verifiable statements by the intelligence community. The overwhelming consensus of the people who do this for a living is that Russia meddled with the election, and seeing more and more connections to the Trump campaign pop up every day certainly doesn't help dispel any suspicions people may have. If it were Clinton or Obama, you'd be screaming collusion from every rooftop, Med. Just because Trump bellows "fake news" every time he sees something he doesn't like, doesn't make it so.
 
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In fact you touched upon a very worrying point,Med.  Even when they were giving him s**t over the bay of pigs, Kennedy pointed out how vital a free press is.  He won more supporters over that than anything else he did; and quite right too. 

On the other side, Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin and the Kim Jongs all tried to discredit and silence the media.  

Silencing the press is the most dangerous, evil and terrifying thing a politician can do.  If they succeed, then everything they do can be done behind closed doors.  Then they can do whatever they like and what they like is never good.  It is possible that Trump is trying this because his ego is so fragile he can't take the flack.  But, it is far, far more common for politicians to try it because they want to do something clandestine, something perceived as profoundly evil by the rest of us.  

You may trust him: I see a Dictator in the making.  Every complaint about the press, every reference to "fake media" sounds to me like the death knell of honesty and the introduction of 1984 (the book not the date).

"Newspeak unbellyfeel Engsoch!" As George Orwell would have said.
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Ps. If his ego really is that fragile, he should never have made the highest office in the land.  What a stunningly effective way to discredit the most venerable position in American society!  

The damage to international relations alone should be ringing alarm bells.  He is turning you into a laughing stock.  The American currency has collapsed against both the £ and the Euro and that is despite the fact that the £ is having lots of problems due to brexit opposition.  True he has created lots of jobs, but they can't succeed for long if there is no way to trade the products for a reasonable gain.  

The Wiemar Republic created lots of jobs under Hitler too.  That was bad news for the world; even worse news for Germany.  Those who fail to learn the lessons of History are condemed to repeat them.
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Medclician, you are such a naive young man!  Do you really believe that the secret services of every nation on earth spends its time sitting around a campfire singing Cum-by-ah?  

SURPRISE! it doesn't.  They spend their time looking at ways to influence, control or undermine the effective government, trade and diplomatic efforts of every other country.  The computer, mobile phones, television and of course the millions of their own people that they have installed in other countries as "good citizens" thereof are passing information backwards and forwards and doing their best for their fatherland.  A lot of us here in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland previously known, and lauded, as the massive and powerful British Empire, which gave birth to the United States of America was an expert in this.  My own uncles were what are now commonly called spooks today; Oxford educated and highly trained in their field.  They loved people like you that could not see the ways of influence that covered the Earth like an invisible spider's web.

When the US came to the collapsing empire's aid in the second world war in 1942, it did not do so because its politicians loved Big Ben or Buckingham Palace or any other part of the tourist landscape.  They did it for two very, very important reasons, massive influence over the British Empire, which was so far ahead of the rest of the world in science and technology at the time that America wanted this knowledge and information for itself; which it acquired as several shipfuls of  information (it was printed on stuff called paper in those days and iron oxide tape too); secondly cold hard cash.  We paid lease-lend payments in billions of dollars to America right up until the late 1980s.  As our Empire collapsed totally in the late 1950s and 1960s, we found that to survive we needed to form an alliance with the US.  

Your profound progress in the sciences since then was due to both this and "Operation Paperclip".

In spite of "the 5 Eyes" having a cuddle, cuddle relationship, do you really think  that now our comatose empire has opened its eyes and only just sat up in bed to see what is happening?  That we wont do our damndest  to get back the power and position we held as #1?  Which a lot of British people believe is our God-Given right and true station in the world.  

Most of us did not vote for Brexit because we are racist, Muslim hating fanatics.  We did so because we opened our eyes too and saw our children devoid of ambition, brainwashed and controlled by a left-leaning, nay toppling even, European beurearcracy  rotting from the inside out.

I admire America and love my American friends dearly.  I would not seek to harm them in any way, but I would do my damndest, to my last breath, to seek advantage, trade, power and financial rescources for the new rising British Empire.  'And I assure you, Russians will try to influence American politicians, as they do the British left-wing politicians, to gain advantage the same way.  

And understand this:  The security services of your country are not going to quote all their sources, only the very few they think are well known already.  They are not going to list their methods either.  Our offspring had some very good teachers from the old Empire they left behind.
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Trump Thanks Fox News Host for A+ Rating After Lou Dobbs Calls for Media to be Shut Down

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-thanks-fox-news-host-100810925.html


Lou forgot one thing


ZIEG HEIL !!!


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Donald Trump: Attacks on Jeff Sessions not winning President any support in Washington

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Almost daily, Donald Trump breaks the mould of how a president should behave.

But Tuesday in Washington showed he still has the power to shock.

For the third day in a row, the President ramped up a series of public attacks on one of his most loyal supporters, Attorney-General Jeff Sessions.

In Mr Trump's latest tirade on Tuesday, he called Sessions "very weak" for not launching a prosecution against former Democratic rival Hillary Clinton over her use of a private email server — during the election campaign, Mr Trump often led his crowds in chants of "lock her up".

Attorney General Jeff Sessions has taken a VERY weak position on Hillary Clinton crimes (where are E-mails & DNC server) & Intel leakers!

But Mr Trump has been angry at Mr Sessions since March.

Back then, Mr Sessions had just been confirmed as Attorney-General.

But he was already under fire, after it was revealed he had two meetings with the Russian Ambassador to the US while working with the Trump campaign — meetings he neglected to mention during his Senate confirmation hearing.

Mr Sessions took the advice of his Justice Department, and recused himself from involvement in any investigations into Russian influence on the campaign.

As a result, Mr Sessions was not involved in the decision by the Deputy Attorney-General to appoint Special Counsel Robert Mueller to investigate Russian interference in the election.

Mr Trump has called that investigation a "witch hunt" — as it broadens to include his tax returns and business dealings.

The President told the New York Times he felt Mr Sessions' recusal was "very unfair to the President", and that if he had known the Attorney-General was going to recuse himself, he would never have given him the job.

On Monday, he vented at Republicans in general on Twitter for not protecting the President.

It's very sad that Republicans, even some that were carried over the line on my back, do very little to protect their President.

Now, he is trying to force his Attorney-General to resign. But Mr Sessions is not going.

The concern is that if Mr Trump fires Mr Sessions, it will be seen as preparing the ground to find a new Attorney-General who will do the unthinkable for the President — fire Mr Mueller.

That possibility is being discussed in Washington in terms like 'constitutional crisis'.

There is so much going on in Washington at the moment, it's hard to know where to look.

Spotting a strategy in the President's actions is equally difficult.

All this is happening at a time when Mr Trump is relying on Republican senators to get a deeply unpopular healthcare bill through Congress.

Turning on Jeff Sessions — one of Mr Trump's earliest and most loyal supporters — is hardly a way of inspiring them to take a political risk for their President.

Especially when he's also proven so willing to shift the blame.

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be "friends" with Trump is a short term assignment at best

he turned on Flynn,he was BFF's with Comey until he wasn't
and now he has VICIOUSLY turned on Sessions

truth is
Trump has NO friends
can you name even one ???
when people are no longer useful or are potentially causing him problems
they are KICKED TO THE CURB
Trump is truly a very psychologically damaged individual
the damage he is doing to the country will take years to repair
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Currently, it is not an easy party to be an honest man in. (Sessions, Spicer, possibly Comey etc.)
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looking from over here........

"America you have a very BIG PROBLEM"

I have never seen the like....

well i have Putin ,Pol Pot,Stalin,Hitler.....

all egotistical  psycho- Nutters 

and you have one in the White house now
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Thank you to the LGBT community! I will fight for you while Hillary brings in more people that will threaten your freedoms and beliefs.

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Trump is the very definition of "the snake in the woodpile"

his true colors are coming out

some of  us saw him for what he was long before the election
MANY others have been slow on the uptake
the country will pay the price

he's a racist,a misogynist and a homophobe
add to that his obvious mental illness,not a good combination
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A BULLY.....everything the world hates about SOME Yanks
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I just can't believe he thinks he can threaten a state, IE Alaska ,he just a BIG SPOILT BRAT, what a douche bag....
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Donald Trump Is Reportedly Seeking Revenge On Alaska Over Health Care Vote


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-reportedly-seeking-revenge-on-alaska-over-health-care-vote_us_59798ffee4b02a8434b3e23b?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009


who is worse?

Trump or the spineless lackeys who do his dirty work???

“The point of modern propaganda isn’t only to misinform or push an agenda. It is to exhaust your critical thinking, to annihilate truth.” Gary Kasparov
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Technophobe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 27 2017 at 9:21am
Originally posted by carbon20 carbon20 wrote:

A BULLY.....everything the world hates about SOME Yanks
Exactly!!!

I do hope, as I like most "yanks",  that his destruction of the American reputation at least slows down a little.
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You guys had better grow up and smell the coffee. This is all called POLITICS but because Trump is doing what all other Presidents have done it is BAD! I know some of these Senators and Congressmen and they all play this game along with the President.

You all had better stick to subjects you know something about. Look at the deals Obama made to get Obamacare passed. He gave a bunch of things to get votes and I am sure made some threats to get what he wanted but because the Media loved him because he was the first black president and a liberal they did not report the what really happened. But because they hate Trump they report anything they can try and make him look bad.

Grow up guys this is the way our government is run and run for over 200 years.
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God! I hope not!

America is the most powerful nation on earth.  

If it really is so crooked, repressive and dishonest that Trump - king of the unpaid bill at the risk of other peoples' domino bankruptcies, he who tries to silence the press, the laughing stock of other parliaments*, is considered normal then the world is in an even worse state than I thought it was.

If he is so "normal" then why did you all vote for him?  I thought you wanted a change.

Incidentally, I understood the Obamacare deals all failed and it was finally passed into law by presidential order.  Did I miss something?






 *He really is - though it manifests as quiet  titters behind closed doors as the USA is so powerful.
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Anyone else starting to feel trolled?
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