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Sorry, Med.  Your posts are almost the most partisan on the site.  (I can think of a couple - one on either side - who are worse, but that puts you in the #3 slot.)  This is not to say you are not valued.

For me, the jury has been out until now about Trump's alleged collusion with the Russians.  I never doubted that the Russians wanted it and tried their best to achieve it.  That does not mean they succeeded.  His own protestations of innocence mean zip.  Everyone would make such a plea in his shoes and he is an inveterate liar.  I am certain of that.  That still does not make him guilty, it just makes it very likely his is.  

I never doubted that Hilary told a few porkies either.  Though on balance I think her's are smaller and less frequent.  That is not said in her defense, it is said in condemnation of him.

I agree we are worth more than the media tells us, that is why every single one of us is a researcher for AFT, but the slightly slanted media is more accurate than some of the sources out there and just finding stuff is not enough.  A bit of discrimination and verification is needed too.

Hilary by the way IS old news.

I cannot see impeachment happening within the first year of office.  I have a growing sense of certainty that it is going to happen eventually, but far more proof is needed before the wheels start to roll.  - I have heard the engine cough a few times and the breaks are rather ineffective,  Though Trump seems to be stamping on them.
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Ex-CIA Official Expounds Upon Steele Dossier In A New Gov't Report; "Pee Tapes" Likely Real



https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/9/6/1696551/-Ex-CIA-Official-Expounds-Upon-Steele-Dossier-In-A-New-Gov-t-Report-Pee-Tapes-Likely-Real

The report also alleged that the internal Russian intelligence service (FSB) had developed potentially compromising material on Trump, to include details of “perverted sexual acts” which were arranged and monitored by the FSB.  Specifically, the compromising material, according to this entry in the report, included an occasion when Trump hired the presidential suite at a top Moscow hotel which had hosted President and Mrs. Obama, and employed prostitutes to defile the bed where the President had slept.  Four separate sources also described “unorthodox” and embarrassing behavior by Trump over the years that the FSB believed could be used to blackmail the then presidential candidate.

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The report stated that Russian President Putin was supportive of the effort to cultivate Trump, and the primary aim was to sow discord and disunity within the U.S. and the West.  The dossier of FSB-collected information on Hillary Clinton was managed by Kremlin chief spokesman Dimitry Peskov.

Subsequent reports provide additional detail about the conspiracy, which includes information about cyber-attacks against the U.S.  They allege that Paul Manafort managed the conspiracy to exploit political information on Hillary Clinton in return for information on Russian oligarchs outside Russia, and an agreement to “sideline” Ukraine as a campaign issue.  Trump campaign operative Carter Page is also said to have played a role in shuttling information to Moscow, while Trump’s personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, reportedly took over efforts after Manafort left the campaign, personally providing cash payments for Russian hackers.  In one account, Putin and his aides expressed concern over kick-backs of cash to Manafort from former Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych, which they feared might be discoverable by U.S. authorities.  The Kremlin also feared that the U.S. might stumble onto the conspiracy through the actions of a Russian diplomat in Washington, Mikhail Kalugin, and therefore had him withdrawn, according to the reports. [Emphasis mine]



you combine this with the Felix Sater email

and things ain't lookin' good for DonnieLOL

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Originally posted by Technophobe Technophobe wrote:

Sorry, Med.  Your posts are almost the most partisan on the site.  (I can think of a couple - one on either side - who are worse, but that puts you in the #3 slot.)  This is not to say you are not valued.

For me, the jury has been out until now about Trump's alleged collusion with the Russians.  I never doubted that the Russians wanted it and tried their best to achieve it.  That does not mean they succeeded.  His own protestations of innocence mean zip.  Everyone would make such a plea in his shoes and he is an inveterate liar.  I am certain of that.  That still does not make him guilty, it just makes it very likely his is.  

I never doubted that Hilary told a few porkies either.  Though on balance I think her's are smaller and less frequent.  That is not said in her defense, it is said in condemnation of him.

I agree we are worth more than the media tells us, that is why every single one of us is a researcher for AFT, but the slightly slanted media is more accurate than some of the sources out there and just finding stuff is not enough.  A bit of discrimination and verification is needed too.

Hilary by the way IS old news.

I cannot see impeachment happening within the first year of office.  I have a growing sense of certainty that it is going to happen eventually, but far more proof is needed before the wheels start to roll.  - I have heard the engine cough a few times and the breaks are rather ineffective,  Though Trump seems to be stamping on them.


I agree with you Hillary is old news and trying to stay important. She is no longer a viable candidate ever for anything after her loss.

This morning - while not happy with the world still - I think I have a clearer prospective. Trump is working with the Democrats against the Republicans to save the economy.  After all, he is a pragmatist and a businessman first. The budget must be fixed or the government will be shut down and that simply is not okay on Trump's watch. The Democrats will have fuel for another 6 months of blaming Trump.

If you watch the stock market, it has rebounded. Amidst all the nastiness of the mainstream, investors still know regulations are being lifted and they can run their corporations without the fear of being choked to death.


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Devin Nunes Is Desperate Threatening DOJ FBI But CIA Officer's New Doc Is Inflammatory

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/9/7/1696814/-Devin-Nunes-Is-Desperate-Threatening-DOJ-FBI-But-CIA-Officer-s-New-Doc-Is-Inflammatory

One large portion of the dossier is crystal clear, certain, consistent and corroborated. Russia’s goal all along has been to do damage to America and our leadership role in the world. Also, the methods described in the report fit the Russians to a tee. If the remainder of the report is largely true, Russia has a powerful weapon to help achieve its goal. [...]

The report stated that Russian President Putin was supportive of the effort to cultivate Trump, and the primary aim was to sow discord and disunity within the U.S. and the West.  The dossier of FSB-collected information on Hillary Clinton was managed by Kremlin chief spokesman Dimitry Peskov.




Subsequent reports provide additional detail about the conspiracy, which includes information about cyber-attacks against the U.S.  They allege that Paul Manafort managed the conspiracy to exploit political information on Hillary Clinton in return for information on Russian oligarchs outside Russia, and an agreement to “sideline” Ukraine as a campaign issue.  Trump campaign operative Carter Page is also said to have played a role in shuttling information to Moscow, while Trump’s personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, reportedly took over efforts after Manafort left the campaign, personally providing cash payments for Russian hackers. [...]

Further, the Trump Administration’s effort to lift sanctions on Russia immediately following the inauguration seems to mirror Orbis reporting related to Mr. Cohen’s promises to Russia, as reported in the Orbis documents.  A June 2017 Yahoo News article by Michael Isikoff described the Administration’s efforts to engage the State Department about lifting sanctions “almost as soon as they took office.”  Their efforts were halted by State Department officials and members of Congress.  Following the inauguration, Cohen was involved, again with Felix Sater, to engage in back-channel negotiations seeking a means to lift sanctions via a semi-developed Russian-Ukrainian plan (which also included the hand delivery of derogatory information on Ukrainian leaders) also fits with Orbis reporting related to Cohen.


A slew of other revelations has directly tied many of the key players in the Trump campaign – most notably Paul Manafort, Carter Page, Michael Cohen, and Michael Flynn – who are specifically mentioned in the Orbis reports to Russian officials also mentioned in the reports.  To take one example, the first report says that Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov was responsible for Russia’s compromising materials on Hillary Clinton, and now we have reports that Michael Cohen had contacted Peskov directly in January 2016 seeking help with a Trump business deal in Moscow (after Cohen received the email from Trump business associate Felix Sater saying “Our boy can become president of the USA and we can engineer it. I will get all of Putin’s team to buy in on this.”).



what was that last part again "


oh yeah



“Our boy can become president of the USA and we can engineer it. I will get all of Putin’s team to buy in on this.”).


and the incredibly corrupt Nunes (remember his little trip to the White House ?)

is doing everything he can to block and shutdown the real investigation


gee

I wonder why ???


and interestingly enough,although totally understandable

is that Trump cult members have nothing to say on the Sater email LOL


they have nothing to say about Trumps lies/denials about doing business with the Russians

while at that same time he was negotiating to build a Trump Tower where ???


oh yeah


IN FREAKING MOSCOW !!!


wake up and smell the coffee kids

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Makes me laugh when republicans berate socialism ???,(free health and education!!!!) ,when their LEADER is in bed with Russians!!!!?......
Just can't work that one OUT....
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Sorry carbon20 you think Trump is in be with the Russians but I do not think that so your premise that you made above is not true because it comes from your bias.

Nothing is free health or education. It costs the American people who work hard for their money. When I see people begging on American street saying will work for food and they are standing in front of a Help Wanted sign something is wrong with this picture. We have plenty of social programs to help the poor and plenty of jobs to go around but people do not want to work when they can live off the American people.

We do not judge West Australia maybe you should reserve your judgement on 50% or more of the American people.
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i feel kinda bad for pickin' on ya
so I'm gonna throw you a boneLOL

Exclusive – Kobach: It Appears That Out-of-State Voters Changed the Outcome of the New Hampshire U.S. Senate Race



http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/09/07/exclusive-kobach-out-of-state-voters-changed-outcome-new-hampshire-senate-race/

now this story has a couple of very serious errors and false conclusions in it
which I am NOT going to point out
and this guy Kobach is one of the slimiest human beings on the planet
the dirt bag that gives other dirt bags a bad name

so take this story with a grain of salt or two or three or.....
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WHAT ???

"FAKE NEWS" from BOTH Breitbart AND FOX

say it ain't so LOL

"The Worst That Humanity Has To Offer" Fox News Reports Looting During Harvey That Didn't Happen

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/9/7/1696887/--The-Worst-That-Humanity-Has-To-Offer-Fox-News-Reports-Looting-During-Harvey-That-Didn-t-Happen

Breitbart smears DACA recipients with photo of gang members from El Salvador
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/9/6/1696556/-Breitbart-smears-DACA-recipients-with-photo-of-gang-members-from-El-Salvador


and that crap from FOX "News" is really bad

"the worst humanity has to offer" ???

REALLY???
BLATANT propaganda

read a book you morons

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I just think Flumom that the state should look after the health and education of it's citizen's,it makes for a stronger society,and if I have to pay taxes for that I'm happy to, even your government has been looking at the Australian model,it works well,it looks after the sick and if you want a private health insurance then you pay less Medicare level on your taxable income.i don't want a private health insurance,simply because when you get really sick the private companies stop your cover and you end up on the public system anyway....well that's how the private system works here,are you covered by insurance when you get to sick to pay? ,our education system is free,but you can choose to send your child to a private school and pay extra if you want ,when you go to university,you get a hecs loan off the government,that you have to pay back when your wages when you start full time work reach a certain amount.my daughter went through that system,and is now a university lecturer,all loans payed off,if think it's a great system.

And my bias goes along with the 50% of American people that disagree with Trumps polices...
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Single payer systems work much better than people in the US are lead to believe, and insurance companies will fight tooth and nail to keep it that way and stop it happening here, carbon. I've experienced both systems, and would take single payer without hesitation. Paying extra so others have coverage presents no problems for me either. I don't understand why looking after each other is so widely demonized these days.



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Elizabeth Warren Joins Kamala Harris in Co-Sponsoring Bernie's Landmark 'Medicare-for-All' Bill

http://www.alternet.org/activism/elizabeth-warren-joins-kamala-harris-co-sponsoring-bernies-landmark-medicare-all-bill


However, Sanders is reportedly working with the same economists who drafted a revenue measure for the California Nurses Association’s single payer legislation, which proposed funding the gap between what all government healthcare programs now spend and paying for universal coverage through two tax increases. They are: a 2.3 percent gross receipt taxes on businesses (after the first $2 million in earnings and exempting small businesses); and a 2.3 percent increase in the sales tax, with exemptions for basic necessities such as food, housing, utilities, and other services.



would you pay an extra 2.3% in sales tax for universal health care ?


I sure as hell would


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I would not swap our national health for the top grade private insurance, even if I won El Gordo.  Carbon has it right; you end up falling back on the state when things get nasty.  Better to fund good state healthcare in the first place, fund it well and cut out the money-making, system-milking middle-men.  

We may not get private rooms, TV, gourmet meals and flashy designer decor, smart uniforms or even staff who call me Madam.  We may spend all day in the hospital waiting room occasionally.  But, our life expectancy beats that of the US = HANDS DOWN!  Our/Australia's way is far better.  What more proof could you want?  Or does the TV mean more than the people?
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Ps.,  Over the course of my life, which is fairly average, I have paid an average of only about $1,000 a year for this.  I am retired now, so by the time I finally die it will work out at only about $5/600.

Having been a millionaire (twice) hubby has paid 10 times that at his peak.  That still works out as less than most US insurance.  Where do you think the rest of your money goes?  THE POCKETS OF THE HEALTHCARE INSURERS/PROVIDERS and MIDDLE-MEN of course!

You are complicit in the con you are all suffering from.
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Originally posted by Satori Satori wrote:

Devin Nunes Is Desperate Threatening DOJ FBI But CIA Officer's New Doc Is Inflammatory

Subsequent reports provide additional detail about the conspiracy, which includes information about cyber-attacks against the U.S.  They allege that Paul Manafort managed the conspiracy to exploit political information on Hillary Clinton in return for information on Russian oligarchs outside Russia, and an agreement to “sideline” Ukraine as a campaign issue.  Trump campaign operative Carter Page is also said to have played a role in shuttling information to Moscow, while Trump’s personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, reportedly took over efforts after Manafort left the campaign, personally providing cash payments for Russian hackers. [...]


This is old news and they have been going on about since March. No matter what his campaign manager did or do not do, that does not prove Trump had knowledge of it or was working with the Russians.

Satori - I do not consider you a valid poster because you have no info on your profile as to your origin. You are posting anonymously and that really put a hole in you credibility.

I have sent you a personal note asking you to tell me your country of origin which you ignore.
Perhaps I am missing something here. Obviously your view are representative of who you work for or where you are from.

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oh this is a big surprise
NOT!!!

I knew if that toady Kobach was involved it was a big nothing burger

Kris Kobach alleges voter fraud in New Hampshire, because he can't read.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/9/8/1697038/-Kris-Kobach-alleges-voter-fraud-in-New-Hampshire-because-he-can-t-read

and MED

no big conspiracy theories involving me  LMAOLOL at that one !!!
I'm a citizen of the United States and a VERY well informed one at that
NO ONE pays me to post anything
I wish they did
I could retire early

my posts are ALL from well known web sites both conservative and liberal
which ANYONE here can read for themselves
BUT
-if anyone out there wants to start paying me to post on the Web
call me at phone # 867-5309LOL
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Sorry Satori, I'm too broke.LOL
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gosh darn  it Tech
I was hoping at least one person would step up !
and I just put a couple of cans of pork and beans on layaway
guess I'm gonna have to cancel
no way I can pay them off now Cry


and in other news
the Republicans in my state completed yet another investigation looking for all this "massive" voter fraud that little Donnie Trump keeps talking about
the results ???

a)big fat nothing burger
b) a stale rice cake
c) a big glass of tepid distilled water
d) all of the above

oh well maybe they will have some luck in the other 49 states ?LOL
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ClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapBack to reality.

Sometimes I feel I can make a difference. So while you are all applauding each other - today - CNN put out

The Real News

way to go CNN!

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/05/opinions/trump-harvey-response-was-perfect-opinion-stanley/index.html


Hurricane Harvey was a revelatory moment in the early presidency of Donald J. Trump. We got a glimpse of Trump without the cultural politics: Trump as he could be. As Hurricane Irma approaches, Congress returns and North Korea shakes its nuclear fist -- this is the Trump the world needs. Competent and disciplined.


comment: It is to put all this bickering behind and focus on what is important and what is needed by America. Trump is our president and has handled Hurricane Harvey well.

Even Washington Post had this to say -

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/house-set-to-vote-today-on-harvey-aid-package-that-would-also-raise-debt-ceiling/2017/09/08/728ddce8-9494-11e7-8754-d478688d23b4_story.html?utm_term=.197cf9c2d64b

President Trump signed a bill Friday to deliver $15 billion in disaster aid and also extend government funding and the federal borrowing limit until Dec. 8, despite objections of Republican lawmakers who booed two top White House officials earlier in the day over the deal Trump struck with Democrats.

The measure passed a morning House vote 316 to 90; every member opposed was a Republican.

There are two parties and Trump went to the Democrats so they could not only pass help for the storm but also get enough money in so the government will stay open past the end of the months.

We need to focus on what is important versus what is not. I was amazed today to go through FoxNews and not see a single Trump hater story - not even CNN. They removed the story from one actress who said the storm coming "Irma" was a curse from God because Trump one.

It is time for the real news - and even more so - for us in America - most of us love our country and want to see things get better. We want the economy to improved, know we are protected against nuclear missiles launches and feel our leader is a tough negotiator and after all - beyond what is heart felt - America is a business - and it is time we got back on track.

People are getting bored with all the Trump haters. That is what is getting old fast and people outside of America who have chuckled as we stumbled and nearly lost our place as the greatest country in the world.

It will be good to see us in charge and leading the pack once more - as we deserve to be. God Bless America!


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I will change my opinion on Trump when:
He makes policies to help the little guy - instead of the oligarchs
Stops being a climate change denier - whilst his country is battered to oblivion by repeated hurricanes from an extra warm sea
manages to present a unified approach to NK
Stops blaming other nationalities for his country's problems
Treats any woman who is not a blood relative like a human being
Tells the truth
Uses a whole - gramatically correct - sentence.

I would be delighted to see 4/8 of the above 
As for applause?  When I appreciate a post by someone else, not myself.
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Originally posted by Technophobe Technophobe wrote:

I will change my opinion on Trump when:
He makes policies to help the little guy - instead of the oligarchs
Stops being a climate change denier - whilst his country is battered to oblivion by repeated hurricanes from an extra warm sea
manages to present a unified approach to NK
Stops blaming other nationalities for his country's problems
Treats any woman who is not a blood relative like a human being
Tells the truth
Uses a whole - gramatically correct - sentence.

I would be delighted to see 4/8 of the above 
As for applause?  When I appreciate a post by someone else, not myself.


I have got many over the last ten years. I think lately - is the only time in all that time I have ever posted one in confidence.

In life, being liked, being approved is not always equal to being a good, compassionate person, or even successful.

But above all honesty. 

Uses a whole - gramatically correct - sentence.

and can spell.
should be grammatically - that counts as well.

Medclinician

 
"not if but when" the original Medclinician
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