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    Posted: November 13 2016 at 6:01pm
Basically no amount of protesting, petitions, or unhappiness is going to change the result of the U.S. presidential election. It is over.  Huge protests when the president is sworn to office is yet another nail when America needs to unify and start addressing the horror stories of 8 years of bad health care, poor economy, and broken promises.

Add to this a complete shameful abuse of journalism who waged war on a candidate and tried to influence the election. Their polls were wrong. They did not focus on the important issues and now the The New York times, a major offender has apologized.

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http://conservativefiringline.com/new-york-times-issues-half-buttocksed-apology-trump/


Ah, there’s the rub. Had the paper actually been fair to both candidates, it wouldn’t need to rededicate itself to honest reporting. And it wouldn’t have been totally blindsided by Trump’s victory.

Instead, because it demonized Trump from start to finish, it failed to realize he was onto something. And because the paper decided that Trump’s supporters were a rabble of racist rednecks and homophobes, it didn’t have a clue about what was happening in the lives of the Americans who elected the new president.

Sulzberger’s letter alludes to this, promising that the paper will “striv[e] always to understand and reflect all political perspectives and life experiences in the stories that we bring to you.”

But bad or sloppy journalism doesn’t fully capture the Times sins. Not after it announced that it was breaking it rules of coverage because Trump didn’t deserve fairness.




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It has been a long nasty election and honestly I was hoping it would be over and we could go back to our lives.  The protests are not being started by the people. They are run by professionals who have an agenda and are afraid that there will finally be an effort to control people flooding into America, try and give big business a break so they can create jobs and compete, and introduce a new option for health care.

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Originally posted by CRS, DrPH CRS, DrPH wrote:

...it ain't over yet....



The election is over but the criminal investigation on Hillary is not.

https://www.rt.com/usa/366900-clinton-investigation-continue-chaffetz/


Wherever the data came from, it is still a violation of national security using a private server.

Hillary Clinton will still face investigations into both her use of a private email server and the “pay-to-play” nature of the Clinton Foundation, according to chairman of the House Oversight Committee, Jason Chaffetz.

Chaffetz told Maria Bartiromo on Fox’s ‘Sunday Morning Futures’ the investigation “absolutely” continues.

"This is the largest breach of security, perhaps, in the history of the State Department," he said. “There are dozens of people in that inner circle that we are looking at.”

READ MORE: Calls for FBI director Comey to resign as Clinton camp assigns blame

“We have perjury issues that we still want the Department of Justice to look at. We have allegations of a quid-pro-quo, we don’t know where they’re [FBI] at in terms of their investigation into the Clinton Foundation, and the FBI director, we still have some questions.”

"It’s this huge, massive mess that has to be cleaned up. So we would be remiss if we just dismissed it and moved on," Chaffetz said. "We have a lot of things that we have to fix, so it never ever happens again."

comment: The leftwing extremist will continue to try and protest what was a fair election overlooking the incredible media bias and false reporting of public opinion. CNN and Fox and especially the New York Times have lost a huge amount of credibility.

There was enough data on Hillary for me to put up a very long video from Anonymous tracking blatant lies which are on video and easy to see.

Really, there are so many issues and problems we need to address, the wars overseas, the terrible health care plan, wide open borders, and possible terrorist attacks in New York, Florida, California, and Texas.

It's time to move on.



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As I stated before, Hillary Clinton did not win the popular election. This is a myth.  It is likely in more than a dozen states who do not require ID, over 3,000,000 non-citizens votes were counted for Hillary.



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  Photo ID requested (Non-strict) orange
  Non-photo ID required (Strict) dark blue
  Non-photo ID requested (Non-strict) light blue
  No ID required to vote gray

Look at the gray states - and look where Hillary was the strongest.

The reason that Trump won not only the popular vote but the electoral vote as well is because people are fed up and finally the silent majority -especially the phantom voters in the midwest were heard.

Who are the groups worried that Hillary won't be able to somehow overturn a the results of the election by protests, changing the electoral college?

Illegal immigrants - it is illegal to be in the United States without having become a U.S. citizen except to visit. It is a felony to assist someone to do so.  The mayors of huge illegal population areas get huge amounts of money for programs to take care of these people. In fact, the actually electoral count in not based on citizens, it is based on population. Many states would lose votes if they only counted citizens.  In states like California where I live, New York and other large cities as well - citizens are in real problems because the resources for education, medicine, and food are being wiped out.  

The fear is - that a stronger more logical system will screen immigrants and send criminals home.

Minorities and alternative life styles. Somewhere along the way it became a focus to create special programs to specically hire people by race, sex, or it is looking soon to be - sexual preference. It has already happened in the entertainment industry.

The fear is the favortism will stop. It isn't a matter of being Nazis - it is a matter of being color and gender blind. Hiring people by ability and qualifications and not lowering educational standards and bring in a half dozen other languages into our basic government operation.

The incredible loss of jobs and factories to other countries is a sign of bad economic programs and betrayal of U.S. manufacturing and businesses. 

The fear is prices will go up despite the fact the car industry was destroyed, coal, oil, and the workers voted from Trump because Hillary did not support them. She was too busy supporting the people on programs and taking money as opposed to those who would pay for it.

As far as Russia goes, I personally am much more concerned about a no fly zone in Syria starting a nuclear war as opposed to doing business with Russia and working out agreements to limit nuclear weapons and make peace.

While some are concerned about being allies with Russia, being allies with the Middle East and betrayal of Christians in the U.S. who make up 70% of the population seems to be a sell out. Paying for hostages - ransom money and hiring terrorists to fight in Syria is a bad deal. Iran is amused at the weak American leaders. If Lawrence of Arabia were back he would be making better deals and being tough.  No Arabian respects a leader not able to push for a good deal or will to accept anything to get an "agreement".

Are we afraid of a Secretary of Defense or new head of the CIA that will crack down on Muslim terrorists? 

The United States is a business - not a courtroom drama. We are worried about racism or violence as groups chant kill whites or anarchy as people hunt down and ambush law enforcement?

When you can't win fairly change the rules.  Right?  Why can't Obama tell the protestors to accept the election?  He said he would help and support Trump make a smooth transition.

They aren't going to vote out the electoral college. Do we want America to start the new adminstration with people trying to kill the president? It is not the people organizing these protest. In LA it was the financial interest group from Mexico.  They dont' want to see the borders put back up and enforced.

We were talking and it isn't necessary to ship anyone anywhere. It's like having ants in the kitchen. Take away the sugar, cookies, honey, or what attracts them and they will leave. Honest people will stay and work and earn their right part of America and be part of it legally.

If they manage to kill Trump - the social justice warriors - then there will be a revolution. The very worst of the bad guys will come out and there will be blood in the streets.

Despite a media that lied and the reality is that there is no real love for the minorities and poor by the democrats - it has been smoke and mirrorss. They don't are about people. They care about votes and power.  They mobilized the illegals to vote and if not - Trump would have had the popular vote as well.

People are going to die. The military is not going to support groups burning the American flag and calling for revolution. And all those organizers will vanish and stop trying to hurt and destroy America. Do you really think it is people who care about the United States who financed by a billonaire are paying people to lead these protestors?

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It's over. Any further discussion of the election in the U.S. is just rehashing what has already been more than adequately covered as we suffered through the miserable campaign.

Tweet:

Richard Santomauro @Rich91754

#Trump306 #MAGA #Recount2016 It's over. Trump 306 electoral votes. Michigan certified the results today. Stein missed deadline in PA.

comment: Stein missed the deadline. Even President Obama says we should move on and it was the will of the people.

People can fear all they want or wait and see what really happens versus what Fox and CNN have brainwashed millions to believe.

Yes, we will have tighter borders. Yes, the workers may finally get a break and there will be more equality when organizations and programs are not biased and on race, gender, or sexual preference - just Americans.

No, people who have been taking advantage of America tradewise or not going to be happy. They may get rid of the disasterous Obamacare and work out a reasonable healthcare system people can afford.

How very sad that would be.

The Green Party made a killing in donations and it was a scam. There was no proof or evidence of voting tampering or even hacking. It was the last puff of a dying Fox and CNN towards any semblance of credibility to the world.

Time to move on. It is time for Independent News to shine more than ever and bring you - The Real News. CWN - GIM

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The Washington Examiner reports that Green Party Candidate Jill Stein has blown the filing deadline to force a voter-initiated recount in Pennsylvania which controls 20 electoral college votes.  This means that even if Stein can successfully challenge both Wisconsin’s and Michigan’s vote tallies, Trump will nevertheless retain the 270 electoral votes necessary to avoid invocation of House rules to decide the 2016 presidential election.

On November 8th Trump informally won the presidential election with 306 electoral votes.  States have specified deadlines to formally confirm their results.  On December 19, electors will formally file votes to confirm these results.  To successfully throw the 2016 presidential election to the House, Stein would have had to formally challenge Wisconsin’s 10, Michigan’s 16 and Pennsylvania’s 20 electoral college votes.  Even if Stein’s efforts to deny Trump the electoral votes in Wisconsin and Michigan succeed, Pennsylvania will carry the day for Trump.

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EVERY time I hear Trtump use the phrase "drain the swamp"
I just have to laugh out loud

here's a couple of examples of that so called swamp draining thingy

Trump Picks Former Goldman Banker Steven Mnuchin As Treasury Secretary

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-29/trump-picks-former-goldman-banker-steven-mnuchin-treasury-secretary-cbs-reports

and  it NEEDS to be pointed out that Mnuchin is a former SOROS staffer

yeah

you read that right SOROS !

Trump Nominates Wife of Mitch McConnell as Secretary of Transportation

http://www.blacklistednews.com/Trump_Nominates_Wife_of_Mitch_McConnell_as_Secretary_of_Transportation/55522/0/38/38/Y/M.html


yeah that's right

Mitch McConnell who recently said that no one is interested in the swamp being drained


http://kwotable.com/2016/11/25/mitch-mccconnell-doesnt-want-drain-swamp-swamp/



Trump supporters are gong to "have to get over it"

face it

you've been played





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Two separate sources with links to the counter-intelligence community have confirmed to Heat Street that the FBI sought, and was granted, a FISA court warrant in October, giving counter-intelligence permission to examine the activities of ‘U.S. persons’ in Donald Trump’s campaign with ties to Russia

Two separate sources with links to the counter-intelligence community have confirmed... What a joke this statement alone says this is NOT true.

These sources could be Hillary and Bill Clinton...don't believe everything you read on the net!
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Satori, we have not been played. You choose people who have experience and all people who have been in Washington are not part of the swamp. If Trump does not like how they are doing at least he knows how to say, "You're Fired!".
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Trump supporters have to face the FACT
that Trump is installing the very types of people who caused the 2008 crash

they are ALL,at least to this date, WALL STREET types Goldman Sachs employees,banksters all

and  I just LOVE the fact that so called conservatives start wetting themselves and frothing at the mouth every time George Soros is mentioned

and now Trump is installing a former SOROS employee himself

LMAO !

but Trumpsters should not feel bad
the left got fooled with one version of hope and change
and not the right has been fooled too
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Mitt Romney After Donald Trump Dinner: He Can ‘Lead Us To That Better Future’

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/romney-trump-dinner_us_583e4b96e4b0c33c8e130346


from this to savior all in a few short months

wow,I'm impressedWacko

“Donald Trump is a phony, a fraud. His promises are as worthless as a degree from Trump University. He’s playing the members of the American public for suckers. He gets a free ride to the White House, and all we get is a lousy hat,” Romney said in March."


wake up and smell the coffee kids


just how much more evidence do you need ?

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if your a Trump supporter
I STRONGLY advise you NOT to read this

unless of course your cognitive dissonance is REALLY strong

Donald Trump’s Treasury Secretary Pick Is A Hedge Funder And 2nd-Generation Goldman Sachs Partner


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/steven-mnuchin-treasury-secretary_us_582caddbe4b058ce7aa8b9c0


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Former Senior Rothschild Crony Selected as Commerce Secretary


http://www.blacklistednews.com/Former_Senior_Rothschild_Crony_Selected_as_Commerce_Secretary/55536/0/38/38/Y/M.html


ok

is there at this point,ANYONE who needs help reading the writing on the wall?

ANYONE ?


let the cognitive dissonance beginHug

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Originally posted by Satori Satori wrote:

Former Senior Rothschild Crony Selected as Commerce Secretary


http://www.blacklistednews.com/Former_Senior_Rothschild_Crony_Selected_as_Commerce_Secretary/55536/0/38/38/Y/M.html


ok

is there at this point,ANYONE who needs help reading the writing on the wall?

ANYONE ?


let the cognitive dissonance beginHug



The writing on the wall is something will be done to address the primary financial issues of our country by someone who is not a lawyer.  The United States is probably the largest and most complex business in the world and that spends far more than we make.
http://www.usdebtclock.org/

With 95 million people choosing not to work
http://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/2016/12/02/bye-bye-u-s-job-seekers-giving-up-leaving-workforce.html is it any wonder we are in so much trouble.

Hillary - wanted to open the physical and trade barriers wide open. Do you realize what that would mean to the American worker?  As company after company goes offshore to betray our nation to make cheaper goods and bring them back here, what happens to our job market?

Tax and spend does not work when less then 1 in 3 people are working despite all the glowing numbers. There were those in our forefathers ( and mothers) who really feared a true democracy. People would simply pass laws to pay them money and quit working.

The answer is not to create more special interest programs with no idea where the money is coming from. A great leader surrounds themselves with the best advisors. Someone who is trying to take on terrorists and fight a war, appoints generals  - not lawyers. Despite a present from the current administration of a 20 trillion dollar debt, things can get better. It is time to move on. Overt lying - there is no reason for these recounts and no proof of any voter fraud. - is not a reason to try and take the electoral votes from the people of a whole state because their candidate lost.

The sooner we get to the business of building the sooner things will be better.

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Hey, Obama got to choose his cabinet, give the same thing to Trump. You guys have to quit whining!
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Originally posted by Satori Satori wrote:


just how much more evidence do you need ?




Weren't the last 8 years enough?

$9 trillion more in debt.
Over 94 million American's out of the workforce.
Lowest labor force participation rate of 62.7%.
The price of health care insurance has skyrocketed.
Racial tensions at an all time high.
IRS targeted Obama's enemies which is criminal behavior.
Lack of solidarity with Israel.
More American's on food stamps and Medicaid than ever before.
Releasing Gitmo detainees who went right back on their killing spree.

The alternative to Donald Trump was Hillary whose platform was based on Obama's failed policies.

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I share your lack of faith in Hillary, Crabby.  I just think Trump will be far worse.  Had the election been Saunders V Rubio (sorry can't spell either name) I would now be silent - whichever won.  I am not automatically anti-republican (Regan was a hero of mine, as was Bush snr.).
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I almost didn't vote at all in this election, but I couldn't stand the thought of Hillary becoming our president. I voted for what I thought was the lesser of 2 evils.

Only time will tell. I like the idea of a businessman becoming our president instead of a lawyer for a change.
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The election is over. It is time to move on.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12/07/federal-judge-halts-recount-sealing-trumps-michigan-win.html

U.S. District Judge Mark Goldsmith agreed with Republicans who argued that the three-day recountmust end a day after the state appeals court dealt a blow to the effort. The court said Stein, who finished fourth in Michigan on Nov. 8, didn't have a chance of winning even after a recount and therefore isn't an "aggrieved" candidate.

"Because there is no basis for this court to ignore the Michigan court's ruling and make an independent judgment regarding what the Michigan Legislature intended by the term 'aggrieved,' plaintiffs have not shown an entitlement to a recount," Goldsmith said.

It was the judge's midnight ruling Monday that started the recount in Michigan. But Goldsmith's order dealt with timing — not whether a recount was appropriate. More than 20 of 83 counties already were counting ballots again. They reported minor changes in vote totals, although many precincts couldn't be examined for a second time for a variety of reasons.

Earlier Wednesday, the Michigan elections board voted, 3-1, to end the recount if Goldsmith extinguished his earlier order.

comment: Things have become so corrupt in the U.S. government in the highest and lowest of places, despite many Trump haters, not counting the illegal immigrants votes, he won both the popular and electoral votes.

No amount of hand-wringing, refusal to accept what will be a postive change for America and will bring a growing respect and better America is going to change that. The reality is that the corporations and special interest groups control a congress which needs a deep house-cleaning and the swamp needs to be drained.  We cannot build America by focusing on the rights of illegal immigrants and criminals and drug dealers and terrorists coming into America. We need stronger borders, stricter filters, and better trade agreements.

The Iran agreement to lift the sanctions has been a disaster and current trade arrangements with other nations which have taken jobs, companies to other countries to build things cheaper are hurting the U.S.

None of this would have been helped by Hillary Clinton and the open borders policy.  We now have the opportunity to turn the economy around and Wall Street is aware of that. The stocks are going up, the price of oil is getting healthier so nations dependent on oil can pay their debts to the U.
S.

While everyone deserves equal treatment, they do deserve any special treatment because of gender, race, or religion. People should not be hired first based on race or gender.

In a few days the electoral college will vote. It is doubtful, even if recounted in any state, the difference would change the election for president. There are a lot of huge issues on a global scale that need to be addressed. It is time to move on in America and begin building instead of sowing division and chaos in the streets.

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