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just what exactly does "move on" mean?
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Originally posted by Satori Satori wrote:

just what exactly does "move on" mean?


Do everything your Twitter account tells you without question. Duh LOL


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Originally posted by Satori Satori wrote:

just what exactly does "move on" mean?


Get over it.
Stop beating a dead horse.
Accept what is and continue forward.
Don't keep re-hashing the same old thing.

It really is a self-explanatory saying.

But the souls of the righteous are in the hand of the Lord
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sorry ParanoidMom
that is really not very helpful
not a lot of substance there
how do we "get over it'?
what dead horse are we beating?
continue forward?
what is being rehashed?

Trump is the President elect
no one denies that
a lot of people DON'T LIKE HIM
and they're not gonna keep quiet about it
just like Obama haters didn't keep quiet

that is just something Trump supporters are going to have to "get over "

I'm going to take the same attitude towards Trump
that the Republicans took towards Obama
before he was even in the White House Mitch McConnell said they were going to oppose him on EVERYTHING,and they pretty much did
if it was ok for them to do,its ok for me to do

he's already made some very bad Cabinet choices
he's only attended TWO of the DAILY security briefings / REALLY ??? just TWO
and he stays up till all  hours of the night sending out STUPID Tweets
maybe he is too tired in the morning to attend DAILY SECURITY BRIEFINGS

PLENTY to criticize on
like shooting fish in a barrel

and I just have to laugh whenever I hear someone WHINING about how bad the Obama years supposedly were
me and my family have done EXTREMELY well the last 8 years
I make more money than I ever have before
most of the older people in my family retired early because they have done so well
I could retire today if I wanted to but I have such a great,well paying job that I'm going to continue to work
my  health insurance is kick butt,only minimal increases in my cost but an expansion of benefits
life has been good
I just hope Trump doesn't screw it up
and my prediction?
he is going to preside over another massive economic downturn just like Bush did
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Originally posted by Satori Satori wrote:

just what exactly does "move on" mean?


Move on means that after 8 years of lies and corruption and failed campaign promises, Trump is making an effort, before he is even in office, to do something.

Through a lifetime I have watched presidents make all these promises and after a single briefing on "how things really are" (Clinton in particular), back down and not follow through.

Wall is street is booming. I must say, I was the primary prognosticator of doom for years and it is soaring towards 20,000. Why is that? Because financial insiders know that what we needed was a man who could get in there with nations who have been tearing us up in trade and immigration, and start cancelling deals which are ruining us.

NAFTA was a disaster. Obamacare was a joke. Sorry - but that is the bottom line. It didn't work. And many major health insurance people are not going to accept it and costs are going up. It needs to die and we need a workable realistic program that will give Americans decent health care.

This is not Jerry Springer. This is political reality. Only a few American presidents were even faithful to their wives with some having their liasons arranged by staff. We are adults. We didn't elect a pope, we elected a president.

We were on the verge of a global nuclear war with Clinton about to declare a no-fly zone in Syria which most of the generals said would lead to a conflict. 

Russia spies on us and they hack. So do we. How many elections do you think the U.S. was in the middle of or contras were supported with guns and cocaine money to try and topple governments?

They are Russia, for God's sake. They are not our pals. We have been at cyber war for decades.

If you are in a room with Putin, Iran, and really intense people, you need a strong leader - not a lawyer to be at the table making a deal.

Now because the special interest groups for race, gender, and especially minorities were trying to take over and run the government lost, they are looking for a way to reverse a legal mandate of the people.

What would be the effect on America of reversing the election at this point? Hillary is still going to be investigated. What was done was criminal. 

Democrats - if you are so unhappy - why didn't you choose another candidate?  There are qualified intelligent liberals who could have done a lot of good for America without accepting money from foreign governments for pay for play?

Tell you what. Reaility is reality. We work with what we have. Phantoms did not elect Trump. No one tampered with the voting machines and if most of the nastiness about Clinton was unfair to know - does not make it untrue.

It is time to move on.

Anyone in here ever gone through a divorce or split up with a lover or lost a child? It is bad. But there is a time to stop complaining and start building - and that time is now.

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^I agree with almost all of your comments, Medclinician, and have been a loyal Republican voter since I first voted for Gerald Ford against Jimmy Carter (a vote I never once regretted). 

However, I do NOT like how Trump is playing footsie with the Russians.  We at AFT are concerned with preparedness issues....the Russians helped both Sadaam and Bashaar Assad to build their chemical weapons capabilities.  Assad was caught red-handed with tons (yep, TONS) of Russian engineered nerve agents like Sarin and V-X, and it only takes a drop to kill you. 

Trump is acting like a 3rd World tinpot dictator, insisting on holding onto his "toys" (TV show, business holdings) and thumbing his nose at critics.  

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By and large, I think Trump's detractors are moving on, Med. The election results are pretty much an old story with most people (although the recent CIA assessment of Russia's involvement will likely make it an issue again). Most of the current criticisms seem to center around Trump's cabinet choices, or his behavior on Twitter, the only channel he sees fit to use when communicating with us. As with every incoming president, people are just exercising their right to voice an opinion on the way an administration plans on doing business.

Personally, I'm just worried about post-inauguration Trump. His notoriously thin hide is being protected right now because either he or his team have effectively cut most of his physical ties with the outside world. That will undoubtedly change when he takes office and has to prove he's capable of thinking on his feet and demonstrating a grasp of the issues at hand, without advisers or teleprompters to back him up. Then we'll see if he can step back from his business persona and not expect to berate or litigate his way through a conflict, be it with an adversarial reporter at a White House press conference, or a world leader that won't back down.


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"Move on means that after 8 years of lies and corruption and failed campaign promises"

do  you even read what you write ?

you just described in perfect detail Donald Trump (although he has had only a year to LIE)

do you really want me to spell it out ?
do you not keep up with current events ?

good grief

Trumps lies started even before the campaign really began
remember when he said he was going t "self fund" his campaign "
BIG LIE
he actually only funded app 20% or so
that should have been a clue (well to all  but the clueless)

cognitive dissonance rears its head BIGLY as Trump would sayLOL
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dear God
do I even need to comment on this Confused

Trump Says He Doesn’t Need Daily Intelligence Briefing Because He’s ‘Smart’


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-intelligence-briefing_us_584d65a5e4b04c8e2bb04195


oh

I forgot

he knows "more than the generals"

and has a "secret plan to defeat ISIS"LOL

a plan which is so secret he still wont tell anyone


and he has a plan to stop all the violence in Chicago

but when asked about it by the Chicago PD

he REFUSED to tell them


seriously

do I need to go on


cause I certainly can

and don't anyone waste their time telling me to "get over it"

every time the Pumpkin Haired Furor lies

yer gonna hear about it from me

if it was good enough treatment for Hillary it's good enough for Trump

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meet

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Trump Admits His Threat To Lock Up Clinton Was Just For Show


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-clinton-lock-her-up_us_584b5b53e4b04c8e2bb01274



"“No, it’s okay,” Trump said as the crowd jeered a reference to Clinton. “Forget it. That plays great before the election. Now, we don’t care, right?”

“No, it’s okay,” Trump said as the crowd jeered a reference to Clinton. “Forget it. That plays great before the election. Now, we don’t care, right?”


“No, it’s okay,” Trump said as the crowd jeered a reference to Clinton. “Forget it. That plays great before the election. Now, we don’t care, right?”



I posted TRUMP'S OWN WORDS x 3

just in case anyone missed it the first time


YOU'VE BEEN CONNED

GET OVER IT LOL


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too many conflicts of interest here ,with his bussineses

i doubt he will be able to take office,

i doubt if he like being told when and where to go 

how does President Pence sound ?

and how does it work if he steps down ?


12 monkeys!!!!!
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at this point TOTALLY DISGUSTED doesn't even begin to describe it

Donald Trump Used To Complain About Obama Not Getting Intelligence Briefings

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-obama-intelligence-briefings_us_584dd82fe4b04c8e2bb053b3?32xqjiy70s7wg66r



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I just HAVE to post this again
NO
really
I do

Hedge fund manager 'takes glee' over how Donald Trump conned his voters

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016...ned-his-voters

I have to admit I was a little skeptical when I read the title of this story
after all DKOS is quite liberal
so maybe they slanted this just a tad

HOWEVER
it does include a DIRECT QUOTE

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Hedge fund manager Whitney Tilson was feeling happy Wednesday morning.

After Donald Trump ridiculed Wall Street on the campaign trail, the President-elect tapped former Goldman Sachs Group Inc. executive Steven Mnuchin to be his Treasury secretary and billionaire investor Wilbur Ross to lead the Commerce Department. Trump even met with Goldman Sachs President Gary Cohn inside Trump Tower.

It would suit Tilson just fine if voters who backed Trump because he promised to rein in Wall Street are furious now that he’s surrounding himself with bankers and billionaires.

“I can take glee in that -- I think Donald Trump conned them,” said Tilson, who runs Kase Capital Management. “I worried that he was going to do crazy things that would blow the system up. So the fact that he’s appointing people from within the system is a good thing.”

what was that one part again?

'I THINK DONALD TRUMP CONNED THEM"


hmmm
I think Donald Trump CONNED them"

ya thinkLOL
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Originally posted by Satori Satori wrote:

"Move on means that after 8 years of lies and corruption and failed campaign promises"

do  you even read what you write ?

you just described in perfect detail Donald Trump (although he has had only a year to LIE)

do you really want me to spell it out ?
do you not keep up with current events ?

good grief

Trumps lies started even before the campaign really began
remember when he said he was going t "self fund" his campaign "
BIG LIE
he actually only funded app 20% or so
that should have been a clue (well to all  but the clueless)

cognitive dissonance rears its head BIGLY as Trump would sayLOL


I definitely do read what I write many times to be sure it makes sense, is accurate, and is spelled right.  My cousin and I, who is die-hard Republican and also a wealthy computer CEO in Silicon Valley have had some fierce discussions about Trump.

Early on I was saying this was a gaslight ruse which cloaks some deeply wrong things.

http://counsellingresource.com/features/2011/11/08/gaslighting/


Effective gaslighting can be accomplished in several different ways. Sometimes, a person can assert something with such an apparent intensity of conviction that the other person begins to doubt their own perspective. Other times, vigorous and unwavering denial coupled with a display of righteous indignation can accomplish the same task. Bringing up historical facts that seem largely accurate but contain minute, hard-to-prove distortions and using them to “prove” the correctness of one’s position is another method. Gaslighting is particularly effective when coupled with other tactics such as shaming and guilting. Anything that aids in getting another person to doubt their judgment and back down will work.

Gaslighting is just one of the many weapons in the arsenal of personalities hell-bent on having their way, even if it means doing so by subtle and covert means of conning others. One of the most important points I make in all my articles, books, and other writings about the narcissistic and most especially, the aggressive personalities, is that they will do whatever it takes to secure and maintain a position of advantage over others. And some of the most effective means at their disposal are tactics that conceal their malevolent intent while simultaneously prompting their “target” to accede to their desires. I outline the most common ones covertly aggressive folks use to manipulate others in my book In Sheep’s Clothing [Amazon-US | Amazon-UK]. But it would be virtually impossible to fully list all of the various tactics expert manipulators use.

Deception is often the key ingredient in manipulation. Deception can be accomplished by outright denial, distortion of key aspects of events, and a variety of other methods, especially the more sophisticated lying techniques. And, as I have mentioned in a prior post (see “Lying: The Ultimate Manipulation Tactic”), a really accomplished liar can deceive another person by merely reciting a litany of absolutely true things — while deliberately and cleverly leaving out one or two crucial elements that would change the entire character of what they’re trying to make you believe. But a common element among all the tactics manipulators use is that they cause the person being targeted to doubt their gut instincts about what’s going on. Their gut tells them they’re under attack or that someone is trying to get the better of them, and they intuitively go on the defensive. But because they often can’t find any clear, direct, objective evidence that the other person is merely trying to disadvantage them, they start doubting and questioning themselves. This is the real secret of effective manipulation. If the “target” were solidly convinced they were in the process of being done in, they’d more likely put up more resistance instead of capitulating. Manipulators know this. They win by getting the other person to back down or give in.

comment: The problem in a complex political environment with huge numbers of candidates using mind-control Uzis through the mainstream media is second-guessing who is lying and about how much.

The U.S. is no longer the mega-hitter they once were against a world where there are third-world nations sitting with a CARE box on their lap and hoping the U.S. will loan them money. 

In fact, one of the basics of an economy changing or money shifting to different people is to get those in power - out.  To replace those  who have everything so locked up and controlled, the voice of the worker and those who have lost control has been silenced.

Short of an all out revolution we have elections. And this time the media lied and tried to convince everyone it was a done deal and everyone hated Trump. Not so.

Yet citing Lawrence of Arabia ("nothing is written") expect those in a room trying to make a deal to cheat. No one in a warzone as the enemy is hidden in the bushes and fires on them, gains anything by yelling "That wasn't fair!"  Well - guess what?   War is not fair. And the U.S. is at war by proxy with some pretty heavy hittters and as long as we continue to slink around with our tail between our legs being sorry, we are going to lose.

We don't need a Nazi or a genocide leader, but we do need a Commander-in-Chief who is a general and tough. Some of the greatest battles have been won not by pure logic, but by someone with a few not-so-sharp tacks in their box.

It doesn't take a brain surgeon to see what is being done in our economy, the health care system, and especially our foreign policy that is not working. If you want to change things, you don't put people in who are in bed with the policies and those who voted for them in Congress,  that have failed for decades.

How much is gaslight and smoke and mirrors? Most of the Clinton campaign was. I posted 30 minute clips of lying constantly and 180 degree turns on vital issues.

We have a fierce and vocal public. Yet, we do need to unite as a nation - for that is the only way we can show any strength to the world. All this bickering after an election is hurting us.

Every morning when I get up before dawn, I look out at the sky and I think - Med - it's time to move on. Whatever mistakes you have made - wrong choices - terrible disasters you have walked into - it's a new day and you are alive and you can now make better choices.

What is a good choice for the U.S. president? One which will bring about positive change in our economy, our credibility with the world and respect of us from  leaders around the world. As I see it - the stocks are going up - leaders are now willing to negotiate rather than just demand and there is low of level of fear in our enemies about Trump  as to "what in the hell will this person do"?

In any battle - and we are in one with many groups and nations in the world- that must exist. No one is going to negotiate if they are not just a little afraid of what might happen - if they don't.

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Originally posted by jacksdad jacksdad wrote:

By and large, I think Trump's detractors are moving on, Med. The election results are pretty much an old story with most people (although the recent CIA assessment of Russia's involvement will likely make it an issue again). Most of the current criticisms seem to center around Trump's cabinet choices, or his behavior on Twitter, the only channel he sees fit to use when communicating with us. As with every incoming president, people are just exercising their right to voice an opinion on the way an administration plans on doing business.

Personally, I'm just worried about post-inauguration Trump. His notoriously thin hide is being protected right now because either he or his team have effectively cut most of his physical ties with the outside world. That will undoubtedly change when he takes office and has to prove he's capable of thinking on his feet and demonstrating a grasp of the issues at hand, without advisers or teleprompters to back him up. Then we'll see if he can step back from his business persona and not expect to berate or litigate his way through a conflict, be it with an adversarial reporter at a White House press conference, or a world leader that won't back down.



Great post, JD!  I'm also worried that his rookie status at world diplomacy will trigger some conflagration somewhere, he seems totally fixated on "making the deal" (as you might expect from a real estate guy), but there's a lot more to diplomacy than deal making. 

This is an excellent article about China and Taiwan, and how Trump could goof it up:

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oh too bad
soooo sadCryCryCry

bad choices tend to lead to BAD consequences

Be happy for coal miners losing their health insurance. They're getting exactly what they voted for

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/12/12/1610198/-Be-happy-for-coal-miners-losing-their-health-insurance-They-re-getting-exactly-what-they-voted-for

and this is just the beginning,the canary in the coal mine as it were
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12/12/us-judge-rejects-green-partys-pennsylvania-recount-case.html

It would appear that the Green Party's recount efforts are basically fizzling.

Pennsylvania recount



A federal judge dealt another blow Monday to the Green Party-backed push for a presidential election recount in key battleground states, rejecting a request to recount paper ballots in Pennsylvania and scan some county systems for signs of hacking.

The Green Party has made similar attempts at recounts in Wisconsin and Michigan, all states won by President-elect Donald Trump. But while the Wisconsin count is almost done, a federal judge halted Michigan's recount last week – the decision Monday in Pennsylvania amounts to another setback for Jill Stein and her allies.

In his 31-page decision, U.S. District Judge Paul Diamond said there were at least six grounds that required him to reject the Green Party's lawsuit, which had been opposed by Trump, the Pennsylvania Republican Party and the Pennsylvania attorney general's office.

Suspicion of a hacked Pennsylvania election "borders on the irrational," wrote Diamond, an appointee of former President George W. Bush, a Republican.

"Most importantly, there is no credible evidence that any `hack' occurred, and compelling evidence that Pennsylvania's voting system was not in any way compromised," Diamond wrote. He also said the lawsuit suffered from a lack of standing, potentially the lack of federal jurisdiction and an "unexplained, highly prejudicial" wait before filing last week's lawsuit, four weeks after the Nov. 8 election.

comment: There are of course humanitarian concerns around the world as per "deal making". Moving people in the Cabinet - who are profounding averse to the stances in the Obama administration is a way to change what is far from a legacy. It is hard to establish any possible good of Obamacare - aggressive anti-business policies which focus more on shutting down the coal and oil industry in the U.S. and bringing in foreign workers and supporting immigrants on the backs of U.S. tax payers.

Despite grumbling against Christians and their profound part as well as the God they believe in, in the establishing of our Democracy, replacing a tradition and history of one nation, under God - with  country torn by division and growing anarchy in the streets, was not something for anyone to be proud of.

The increase in reverse discrimination and a revolution against law enforcement in a time when the inner cities are in sometimes critical states, helped no one.

It would appear most of the world is regrouping to try and deal with a Trump reality. Perhaps he is not a Teddy Roosevelt with his rough riders thundering south of the border in Cuba,
http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/roughriders.htm
but why not risk securing the borders, sending illegal immigrant criminals back, and increasing or monitoring of those coming into the U.S. who hate us and would attack America?
How long has it been since we have had a president that might be willing to fight for the American people to fix what is wrong?

Obama is not going to leave behind a glowing legacy of accomplishment or wise decisions no matter how hard they try to spin it that way. It was a disaster for the American people for 8 years and no real gains were made in any significant areas. That is a rather sweeping statement, but over all it is accurate.

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China warns Trump over Taiwan

DECEMBER 13, 20163:29AM

China has expressed "serious concern" following US President-elect Donald Trump's comment United States did not necessarily have to stick to its long-held stance that Taiwan is part of "one China", calling it the basis for relations.

Trump's comments on Fox News Sunday, questioning nearly four decades of US policy, came after he prompted a diplomatic protest from China over his decision to accept a telephone call from Taiwan President Tsai Ing-wen on December 2.

China's Foreign Ministry said cooperation was "out of the question" if Washington could not recognise Beijing's core interest on Taiwan, indicating it would reject any effort by Trump to use the issue as a bargaining chip in a long list of commercial and security problems facing the two countries.

"China has noted the report and expresses serious concern about it. I want to stress that the Taiwan issue concerns China's sovereignty and territorial integrity, and involves China's core interests," said ministry spokesman Geng Shuang.

"Upholding the 'one China' principle is the political basis for developing China-US ties. If this basis is interfered with or damaged then the healthy development of China-US relations and bilateral cooperation in important areas is out of the question," Geng told a daily news briefing.

In a separate statement, the ministry cited Foreign Minister Wang Yi as warning during a trip to Switzerland against moves to damage the "one China" principle, having been asked by a reporter about Trump's call with Tsai.

"China is paying close attention to developments," Wang said. "I can clearly say that no matter whether the Tsai Ing-wen authority, any other person in the world, or any other force, if they try and damage the one China principle and harm China's core interests, in the end they are lifting a rock only to drop it on their feet."

Despite China's discontent, it has reached out to Trump.

Spokesman Geng said China's top diplomat Yang Jiechi, who outranks the foreign minister, had met with Trump advisers, including his pick for national security adviser, retired Army Lieutenant General Michael Flynn, during a transit in New York on his way to Latin America in recent days.



"Both sides exchanged views on China-US ties and important issues both are concerned with," Geng said, without elaborating.

He did not give a precise date for the meeting, and it was unclear if it occurred before or after Trump's latest remarks on Taiwan, which Beijing considers a renegade province.

Geng urged the incoming Trump administration to fully recognise the sensitivity of the Taiwan issue and uphold a 'one China' policy to "avoid the broader picture of China-US ties being seriously interfered with or damaged".

Trump plans to nominate a long-standing friend of Beijing, Iowa Governor Terry Branstad, as the next US ambassador to China.

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oh look China just INVADED Taiwan......

and North Korea launch at South Korea.....

what  does " the Donald "do next ?

Say's "i  dont belive the reports".........




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"It was a disaster for the American people for 8 years and no real gains were made"

speak for yourself
as I have stated me and my extended family have thrived the last 8 years

INTELLIGENCE IS THE ABILITY TO ADAPT TO CHANGE
Stephen Hawking

there is a reason I keep posting that
it is the crux of the problem

but to adapt to change
you first have to recognize that change has occurred
I would estimate that less than 10% of the population has figured it out yet

we're NOT going back to the good old days
and as some here are fond of SAYING but not DOING  "MOVE ON"

Intelligence is the ability to adapt to change. Stephen Hawking
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