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I don't think anyone is seriously debating the legitimacy of the election anymore, Med. It's Trump's cabinet picks, proposed legislation, and Twitter attacks that are the focus of most people's attention. By and large, most people have moved on.

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I was kind of hoping we could get rid of Mary Fallin as our governor, but then again I wouldn't want to wish her on the rest of the country either....
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Originally posted by jacksdad jacksdad wrote:

I don't think anyone is seriously debating the legitimacy of the election snymore, Med. It's Trump's cabinet picks, proposed legislation, and Twitter attacks that are the focus of most people's attention. By and large, most people have moved on.



You're right. And I saw Rolling Stone Magazine and Fox actually criticizing  cries of foul by the Democratics wanting blood from Russia for their hacking. Perhaps they should reread the definition for hacking and at the same time put out some proof.

John Podesta gave his password out on a phishing scheme.
http://www.businessinsider.com/hillary-clinton-campaign-john-podesta-got-hacked-by-phishing-2016-10
 This would be like saying Russia is responsible for the loss of almost a billion passwords on Yahoo.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/yahoo-lost-your-password_us_5852cd15e4b054eeaea218ea

U.S. intelligence has been all over (especially the Obama Clan) trying to influence the election in Israel.

http://www.wnd.com/2015/03/senate-targets-obama-meddling-in-israel-election/
No doubt about that one and I guess it is a huge double standard. This reminds me of a solidier in hand to hand combat crying out "you hit me - not fair".

We are at cyberwar with the Russians - both sides. If you don't think we have some of our best trying to get into their stuff - I mean - you know we do.  And are they saying - well you musn't hack - you must play fair and not steal anything?

We hire hackers from wherever they can get them. They recruit even terrorists to hack - who better to know how to get in?  Personally I think even Russia is spooked by Chechen hackers who are some of the best on the planet.

You don't sit down at a meeting with people from the Middle East, Russia, (would North Korea even show up?), and expect people to be nice.  They are courteous - smile - but beneath it - it is dead serious.

The hope for the new administraton is the fact these are people in the business jungle that are used to the worst betrayals and cons and are veterans at this.

Now we can move on to truly more significant discussions as to who in the cabinet (big power thing going on there) for money for everything from health care to military.  Obviously few studied their history as to why we have an electoral system. There was a big reason. So that populous states could not control every federal office. The South knew better - and a lot of the founders of the Republic were connected to the South.

Things are moving on. Obama can only whine so long to Fox and CNN before he is an ex-president and gets big money to complain - but it no longer matters.

Now - front and center. Is Trump going to do what he said and promised?
Well, for one, he didn't get herded in by Intel and TPTB (the powers that be) and told now - Donald - this is the way it really is and this is how we have been doing it and this is how you are going to do it.

He doesn't beat on podiums with his shoe (Krushchev - "we will bury you") https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikita_Khrushchev

Also in the art of debate and especially putting peope off center sometimes people "just say things to see what people will do". My father was the master of this.   He would state that I did something when he didn't know and I would go off and admit it and then find out I had been had.

Trump is not ignorant. There is an art - a gamesmanship of politics and dealing that Obama never learned.

I am excited about 2017. I am. At least there are chances for huge things to happen.  Maybe I am different in this - but a lot of my friends feel the same way about 2016 as they feel about the election. Thank God - it's over.

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This is where our perception of Trump differs, Med. You presumably see a self made man, beholden to nobody, who is playing a sophisticated game based on his intuition and smarts in much the same way he ran his business empire.

I see a man born into an insulated world afforded him by great wealth, who models himself on a father who made no secret of caring little for those in his employ. He has scant knowledge of the world in general, and eschews security briefings because his attention span and reading comprehension likely make it all but impossible for him to understand what's being presented. He is narcissistic, petty and vengeful, and the same business acumen that drove his empire into bankruptcy half a dozen times will hurt the US economy and the world. Despite his claims, he has little empathy for those less fortunate than himself, and his cabinet is filled with the same rich, white establishment figures he claimed to hold in contempt when he promised (one of many he has already broken before officially taking office) to "drain the swamp".

The power that came with money was always the end game, and politics has elevated him far higher than wealth alone ever could. He will soon command our economy, civil liberties, potentially our judicial system, and more disturbingly, our military and nuclear arsenal. He already presumes to be Commander in Chief, and some of his tweets (the only access he deigns to allow us) are borderline treason with regard to sanctions against Russia.

His narcissism has lead him to believe that in a few short months he has established an unparalleled rapport with the Russian leadership with his fawning comments, but Putin is playing him and Trump doesn't have the sense to realize it's not a relationship built on mutual respect.

This is the level of maturity we will see in the Oval Office soon. 2017 doesn't excite me, it worries me deeply.


      















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Trump has SERIOUS psychological issues
that is becoming more and more apparent

God help this country

great evaluation of Trump Jacksdad
he's everything you said
and WORSE
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you hit the nail flat bang dead centre jackdad ,

well thats how i percive Master Trump...

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What Early Nazi History Can Teach Us About Treating Trump Supporters

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/1/1/1614781/-What-Early-Nazi-History-Can-Teach-Us-About-Treating-Trump-Supporters

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    “So, in the last year, Trump has flirted with ... totalitarianism, yet the advice from many is to “give him a chance” ...”

So how do we respond to the calls for tolerance of the intolerable? The calls for empathy to the unsympathetic? The calls to just give him a chance?

Not as per our media elite have done, says Shawn Hamilton, quoting Jewish political theorist Hannah Arendt:

    ...Many intellectuals of [the] time [of the rise of the Nazis] were ‘trapped by their own ideas.’...

    The new paradigm of authoritarianism was so disorienting that they simply could not see it for what it was, let alone confront it..."
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The election is over - time to move on - the emails were not from Russian hackers.

I have posted this several times and these were from a source - and we are fairly confident - i.e. the people who put out the truth on this weeks ago - there were from a man who was soured on what the DNC did to Ted Cruz and the man originally carrying the usb stick was killed.  These were reaped - not hacked by their own people and given to Wiki Leaks. The pure fiction that has been broadcast on all the major networks is wishful thinking.

Still - Obama is going to give a final farewell speech and I doubt there will be any well wishes for Trump in it.

The Democrats dropped the ball on this and the major networks published total fabrications in some cases. If there were "smoking gun" evidence that pointed to Russia and individuals - they would have put it out there. The fact that they backed down on a criminal investigation which clearly showed a breach of national security and other evidence would have only happened with Hillary. Anyone else would have done to jail.

It wasn't Russian hackers - it was p****d off Democrats in Ted Cruz's camp for what was done to him by his own party.

Ford has chosen to try and make it here with a new plant and there are some great things ahead for the economy, the businesses, and jobs.

As for my opinion of Donald Trump - it is what a man does - not he has said or didn't say that counts. So far he is tryijng to keep promises that most presidents conveniently forget - and that is what counts. He is a wild card of sorts, and sometimes when your backs against the wall - that is what wins the game.

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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/06/it-is-over-congress-certifies-trump-s-win-over-last-ditch-dem-objections.html

A joint session of Congress on Friday formally certified President-elect Donald Trump’s Electoral College victory, over the last-minute objections of several Democratic lawmakers who tried to contest the outcome – and were instructed by Vice President Biden, “It is over.”

The certification clears away any final hurdles for Trump’s road to the inauguration in two weeks.

Trump was certified as winning the White House race with 304 electoral votes to Hillary Clinton’s 227. Mike Pence was certified as the next vice president.

But as with other formalities in this election that normally would proceed without much ado, Friday’s certification was marked by moments of drama.

Several Democratic lawmakers tried to sideline the proceedings, objecting to the validity of the vote on the basis of what they called “voter suppression,” Russian interference in the election, and other factors.

Each time, Biden, who was presiding, rapped the gavel and cut them off because they did not have the necessary support for their objection from a U.S. senator.

“It is over,” Biden instructed Rep. Pramila Jayapal, D-Wash., one of several who tried to lodge an objection. The chamber broke out in applause.

comment: It is time to move and begin to rebuild and increase the strength and prosperity of America and create a growing respect and confidence in the United States by all countries around the world.  Some may not like us - but at least they will come to respect us.

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Trump Tweets That U.S. Will Pay for Border Wall — But ‘Will Be Paid Back by Mexico Later’


https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-tweets-u-pay-border-165059612.html


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your share of the wall comes to $3,653.89

please send payment today

shortly you will be receiving a check in this amount directly from the Mexican government

be on the look out for it  LOL

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Hey I'm willing to pay! We have paid for all the illegals health care, housing, holding their criminals so what is wrong with spending for the wall. Then we won't have the illegal's bills to pay!

Oh, let's not mention all the drug addict kids from all the heroin and other drugs coming over the border. All of these addicted kids and adults cost the taxpayer money also.
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Originally posted by Satori Satori wrote:

Trump has SERIOUS psychological issues
that is becoming more and more apparent

God help this country

great evaluation of Trump Jacksdad
he's everything you said
and WORSE

I agree with Satori, JD did a great analysis.  You should submit that essay to a newspaper, it would probably be printed.


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Originally posted by Satori Satori wrote:

Trump Tweets That U.S. Will Pay for Border Wall — But ‘Will Be Paid Back by Mexico Later’


https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-tweets-u-pay-border-165059612.html


Med

your share of the wall comes to $3,653.89

please send payment today

shortly you will be receiving a check in this amount directly from the Mexican government

be on the look out for it  LOL


Clap  Ha ha ha, great post!  

There is a Twitter war going on between Trump and former Mexican President Vicente Fox (himself a former executive at PepsiCo), check it out here:

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just love the way the trump "TEAM"putting the blame for the Russian hacking onto the Democrats,

its unreal ,do they really think people STUPID,

totally trying to turn the attention away from Trump

its laughable ..... 

 
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wow
how much more "drain the swamp " can we take?

once a swamp gets a couple of thousand feet deep
it becomes an ocean doesn't it ?LOL

As Exxon CEO, Rex Tillerson evaded sanctions to do business with Iran, Syria, and Sudan
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/1/9/1618684/-As-Exxon-CEO-Rex-Tillerson-evaded-sanctions-to-do-business-with-Iran-Syria-and-Sudan

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good choiceDead

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Trump says nothing to the Russians,

attacks an actress

What a Great leader YOU have elected,he has a skin as thick as an eggshell!!!!


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Trump names vaccine skeptic Kennedy to head vaccine safety panel

President-elect Donald Trump has named Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., an outspoken critic of vaccines, chair of a panel on vaccine safety and scientific integrity, according to the Washington Post today. Trump met with Kennedy at Trump Towers in New York today.

Kennedy was quoted after leaving the meeting. "President-elect Trump has some doubts about the current vaccine policies, and he has questions about it," Kennedy said. "His opinion doesn't matter, but the science does matter, and we ought to be reading the science, and we ought to be debating the science."

Kennedy, the son of the late Sen. Robert F. Kennedy and a radio talk-show host, has said that mercury in vaccines can cause autism, a link that’s been widely disproved. He also has supported, against public health recommendations, nonmedical exemptions from standard vaccines in school-age children.

This is not the first time Trump has met with anti-vaccine activists. This summer on the campaign train Trump met with Andrew Wakefield, the man who erroneously linked autism to the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine in 1998 and has been roundly discredited.

Infectious disease expert Michael Osterholm, PhD, MPH, said, "Mr. Kennedy's appointment is potentially a dangerous decision if it sends a message to parents that vaccines are not safe and not necessary. If that happens, kids will get sick and even die because of the misinformation that will come from this commission."



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Darwin's work is NEVER doneLOL
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remember how Trump said he was going to surround himself "with the BEST people" ?

Publisher Pulls Book By Trump's National Security Nominee Due To Plagiarism

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/1/10/1619112/-Publisher-Pulls-Book-By-Trump-s-National-Security-Nominee-Due-To-Plagiarism

apparently we need to redefine the word "best"LOL
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