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    Posted: March 05 2006 at 2:08pm
I use new tech to help me in prepping, the old ways. I will give brief details of how and why I use the stuff we have.

I have worked in coal mines, a little light goes a long way when there is absolutely no light. Solar driveway lights will light up a room fine. And are cheap, under ten bucks. I keep 8 new ones ready to set out for the sun to charge.

We use the big ammo cans to store beans, flour, meal, sugar, and rice in. Make sure to get the sealed ones. They have a rubber gasket on the lids. If air gets to beans, bugs will also.

Matches are not dependable enough for me, get a zippo lighter some flints and four big cans of fluid.

The small car jumper units, hold 12 volt power, run TV radio, lights from one, one small solar charge panel to keep it charged.

We have ATVs to use if TSHTF, and a little wagon to haul water behind them. We are lucky to be close to good water. ATVs are easier used than a horse.

A small flat bottom boat on a trailer,is nice to fish with, and can be used to haul many items, if you need a way to haul things, without having a truck or trailer.

A good rubber tired, two wheel dolly, is PRICELESS.

A small outhouse four feet square, can be built in a few hours, digging the hole is the worst part of it.

If you store loose salt, put some grains of rice in it, the rice will absorb moisture. I keep fifty pound blocks of salt, cheap and easy to store, set in dry and forget them.

If you have weapons in a safe, put rice in the safe for the moisture. And in the cans with your ammo.

Coleman gas stoves are a must, lights also, power goes off you can still cook and see. Mine are 50 years old and work well.

A portable propane heater, will heat one room well.

A small woodcookstove can be set up in minutes, put a piece of tin over a windwow run the pipe through the tin.

Empty clean sheetrock mud buckets are good to put first aid kits in, especially when used with one of the toolpouches on the outside of it.

A few tubes of silicone sealer and caulking gun to apply it with is a must.

Lard is a must have, easy to keep and many uses.

Coffeee filters, doubled will filter out bugs from water, a bit of bleach and the water is safe.

I put back stuff every Fall, this year is no different, and not much more stuff. No MREs and expensive junk. Only by things you will use period, if nothing bad ever happens, it's no big loss.
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Treble hooks, nylon chord, lead and you have the makings to catch fish.  I grew up on a river and catching catfish off drop lines is pretty simple.  Just find a limb that is over hanging the river and tie off your weighted line with treble hook.  Bait can be most anything - but worms and the river go together.  We call them night crawlers in Alabama - big wrigglers.  I grew up raking through the composted leaves and putting them in a can since I was 4 years old.  A quick way to catch them is to "fiddle them."  Cut a sappling about 2 inch in diameter about 6 inches above the ground.  Start sawing on top of the stump - the vibrations in the ground cause the worms to come up - it tickles them.  If you get it right you can feel the vibrations your self.  One person saws and one rakes back the leaves.  If you can't catch fish . . . well worms have alot of protein.
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Useful stuff Tnbebo, sounds like from somebody who lives it. Couple of dumb questions though, purpose of silicone sealer?, any idea how long lard will keep in a sealed container if its kept reasonably cool? Have heard that dried, powdered sheetrock in little cloth bags will also suck moisture out of the air, like for use in ammo cans etc. Ive also heard the shetrock bags can be dried out again in microwave oven. Never tried it, any idea if its true? Good tip about the ammo can gaskets, not a lot of people know that, (also since they are not airtight without the gasket they will not float, for long, anyway). On the two wheeled dolly, ive heard its best to get one with tubeless tires as they can be fixed with a tire plug kit (also an important prep item) as they can be repaired without dismounting the tire. Also strike anywhere wooden matches can be made completely waterproof and will last almost forever if dipped in hot, melted wax. I had to print your post Bebo, to many useful things not to have in writting. thanks
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Bama,

We have a small, deep community lake that has cat fish in it.  It's not a river.... would the "drop line" work in a lake?  This would be an awesome thing if we didn't have to sit out in plain sight while we are trying to catch fish.  I never thought about this "drop line" thing.  I had thought about our crab pot though, wondering if a fish would find its way into it.

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I never have tried drying sheetrock bags, I am sure the dust would take moisture though, but it might be messy. I do know sheetrock gives off hydrogen sulfide when it's decomposing, stinks like rotten eggs. H2S would be tough on the metal cans.

Lard will keep for two years, and is good for many things, I have used it for first aid stuff, on cuts and the like.

Silicone sealer can be used for many things, stop leaks, put windows back in place, windshield cracks, put a light coat on gaskets on ammo cans, sealed perfectly.

That fiddling for worms works too. I forgot about that one. I lay some old shingles out on the ground below my chicken house, of all places, worms always under them.

Zoe get Steve to tell you how to make a trotline, catfish the easy way. For more than one fish at a time.
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Check out the Mr Buddy Heater and Miox water purifier on ebay the prices are good and the items are great

 

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  Hi TNbrbo 408.  Thanks for all of the wonderful ideas.  I would like to know what you use the block salt for? and where can we buy it.  Thank you.  i will be using a lot of your ideas.
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Wet ground + car battery with cables = worms (Go fish)

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MissM, block salt is cheap way to store a lot of salt, 3.50 for fifty pounds, get it at tractor supply or farmers coops. Only get the white blocks, the red ones, and yellow have other minerals than salt in them.

You can bust off a bit of salt as you need it.
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Great post, TnBebo - I love the "old ways with new tech" philosophy.

We have a Mr. Buddy heater and it is great.  It has a low oxygen sensor so it is safe for use indoors.

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You can do the same thing floating a gallon milk jug staked off at the bank.  You have to be careful of the wind and orient yourself so tat the wind is not blowing your jug back to the bank.  If you have a boat rigging a line all the way across a lake or fiver works best, you just tie your drops off the main line.  No boat - drops on a limb or gallon milk jug work well - the catfish catch themselves.

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GREAT SITE   LOWE'S AND HOME DEPOT ARE SELLING HEATERS HALF OFF RIGHT NOW.  GOOD WAY TO PURCHASE YOUR HEATER AT HALF PRICE.
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More country logic, using new tech items.
Old timers said no feet no horse, same for humans. Provide at least TWO pairs of GOOD, work boots for each member in your household. One pair to be wearing, one to be drying.
Boots should be well broke in before everyday use, if the imune system gets weak, feet are a weak link.

Same with towels and washrags, have three of each, for each person. One to be using, one to be dirty, and one to be clean and dry. Washing on a rub board takes time, so does line drying.

Socks, 12 pairs of GOOD heavy socks for each person.

Spare work, COMFORTABLE, and tough clothes, three sets per person.
Winter clothing is a another issue, depends on where you are.

Military style cots for each person are nice.
Sleeping bags, two per person, and four extras for kinfolks, friends, maybe even a loved one.


I feel it's prudent to have these things on hand, just losing power for a week and these things become essentials.
The sleeping gear is nice, just for kids during sleepovers, and not very expensive, if bought at yard sales, flea markets or ebay.
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If anyone is in range of the unclaimed baggage store in Scottsboro, Alabama they have a great selection of clothing, sleeping bags, books, military fatigues - all kinds of stuff.  Not as cheap as a thrift store - but people travel with new & like new clothes.  The place is bigger than one city block.
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Prepping the home for defense:

One of the best ways to prep a door against break in is a wedge at the bottom.  Most people who are intent on getting in your house can do so - but you want to slow them down, hopefully make it difficult enough that they will give up - but at the least give you time to hear noise and react.  I saw a show some years back and I believe reviews in consumer reports of a fold down bracket at the bottom of the door that wedged when the door is forced from the outside.  The harder the door is pushed the more force is generated on the bracket device at the bottom.  Effectively you had to break the door completely down to get in.  Dead bolts can be defeated by a common bumper jack unless you built your house yourself and defeated this by design.  You would need bridging across the studs on each side of the door opening.  Burglers simply jack the door frame open several inches until the bolt clears and then just push the door in. 

You probably can improvise a non destructive wedge for the bottom of your door that will not destroy your hard wood floor.  Worst case one screw through a wedge at the bottom of the door won't do too much damage.

Thomas Angel addressed windows in another post (plywood and screws).   I proposed using card board and dowels cut to length to prevent the windows from being opened.  Not as good of a deterent but it is non destructive to the window.  Early in an event I don't want people to see into my house so would line the inside with card board.  Or limit the windows that can be seen into.  People are reluctant to bash a window in if they can't see what is on the other side.  I plan on tracing the outline of my 9mm CZ75 on the card board so it is plainly visible.  If things go down hill further then I have several sheets of plywood and 50 pounds of various wood screws.

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for worms I put a couple of peices of old carpet in my backyard and covered them with leaves to reatin the moisture..kids go back in the yard and pull the carpet back and they have worms...even the smalls worms work...

I am on the hunt for a few baby strollers i want to remove the wheels and the bars..hopefully make them adjustable to fit many things in..if I have to get to the woods and get wood or sticks to burn I have a good sized wooden box for that and if I have to get water...things like that...yard sales will be coming up and I hope to get out to a few before this al hits...but baby strollers have great re-useable wheels...

orp.s just strip the stroller bar and you have the melt frame already there...that is why I put a few....battery operated sotterin gun(now spelled right oh well)

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Be sure to stock up some lime, to use for sanitation.

Lime dust will draw moisture if stored in a barn or shed, for longterm storage it must be kept very dry.

A couple of cheap cammo tarps can be carried on a ATV, to drape over it, to hide under if hiding becomes important.
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If you can, get some small packs of firecrackers, can be a useful distraction tool.

And if you need to pick blackberries, throw a few in the briars, they will run the rattlers out. Or at least get them to sing so you can find them.
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Fishing,

Where I live and grew up you can still see the remains of rock dams on rivers and streams.  Indians would dam the river at a shoal area except at a point where the water would fall off a rock.  They left a small opening at this location and placed a woven basket below so that any fish coming through the slot in their dam would fall in the basket.

When I was a teen we giged fish at night for food.  We used carbide lanterns and waded around on the shoals and speared them.  You just move around slowly and you usually can get right up on them without disturbing them.  Some folks just stand and wait for the light to attract a fish and then spear them.  Sometimes you attract Mr. No Shoulders they like the water too but snakes taste alot like chicken to me.  At one time you could buy gigs at Ace hardware

On small creeks we snared suckers.  You can make a snare with a short piece of PVC pipe or conduit.  Push a small diameter cable like 1/8" through it making a loop at the bottom - fasten one side of the cable off.  Leave the other end free to push in & out of the conduit.  Make a pull on the free end of the caple like a lawn mower pull so you can yank on the cable.  Watch for a fish in the creek and slowly pass the loop over them and yank.

Fish don't like DC current either.

Now your local conservation agent probably would not approve of the above fishing methods, but if you are hungry then . . .

Back in my day we didn't have xbox or playstations.  We only had one channel on TV and I think the only show ever on was Lawrence Welk. 

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DC current fishing, get a old crank telephone, run the leads to the water, crank the phone, telephone those fish right to the top. Like Steve says, might not be exactly the right thing to do, but if TSHTF, it would beat starving to death.

Gigging frogs is another way to get food, use a dim light, boat around and you will find them. And watch for snakes, they will come to a light. Legs are the only thing to eat on a frog, takes a lot of them to fill a skillet, keep it lidded they will jump out, till they about half done cooking.

Rattlers do taste like chicken, but if you kill one to eat. BE VERY CAREFUL in how you take him, if he bites himself, it aint good to eat, will make you sick. Cut the head off behind where his poison glands are, then strip the skin off, rolling it to his rear. Be careful of handling the rattlers, they can cause blindness.

Clean it, and cut up in strips about four inches long, batter and fry like chicken strips. Goes good with rice and can be used in dumplins, just like chicken or squirrel is.

If you don't know how to use carbide lights, leave them alone, they can explode and they take constant care to keep them working.

If you are forced to kill wild animals for food, don't be greedy, use them sparingly, and don't take more than you need. You must get used to the taste of wild meats, it's not hamburger or hot dogs.
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