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    Posted: 17 hours 33 minutes ago at 1:56am
https://www.wunderground.com/news/storms/hurricane/news/2018-10-22-hurricane-willa-pacific-ocean-mexico-landfall and https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/?epac

MrMBB333 is comparing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Patricia#United_States with "Willa" on its way to NW Mexico.

DJ-Both "Vicente" and "Willa" will do a lot of damage in western Mexico. Stronger storms are one of many signs of (rapid) climate change. This climate crisis is not caused by the poor but they are expected to bear the suffering. https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-22/president-trump-declares-national-emergency-mexico-loses-control-migrant-army

"The poor" have every reason to bring the bill to those who did cause the problems. Oil companies, military-industrial-complex, will have to pay for the damage they are doing.

Climate fefugees are another climate-change related problem going to explode (both for the US and EU).
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Hurricane Michael: "A Reuters tally of official reports says at least 27 are now confirmed dead - including 17 in Florida. Another death was also confirmed by officials in Georgia, three in North Carolina and six in Virginia."

I do hope that the insurance companies lead the discussion of building standards (and how much/little they will pay if houses are not up to standard....
"The area where the storm hit worst, in Florida's Panhandle region, do not have building code standards as strict as in other areas of the state.

Swathes of houses were completely obliterated in Mexico Beach - an area described as "ground zero" for the storm's heavy winds and storm surges."

All quotes from https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45893486
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http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/database/index.php?pageid=event_desc&edis_id=FF-20181017-65069-USA DJ-Most likely extreme rain in Alaska might be related to a Pacific hurricane moving north.

With the jetstream being this disrupted it is a matter of time before remnants of hurricanes manage to get to the Arctic and cross it.....

On the Bussines Insider story; hurricane is a name for a sort of storm (in a certain area). It would be better to look at all extreme weather events.
http://www.severe-weather.eu/mcd/further-torrential-rainfall-across-western-mediterranean-particularly-parts-of-spain/
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Will this classic soon stop being true?

ln Hertford, Hereford and Hampshire hurricanes hardly ever happen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmADMB2utAo
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Interesting article about hurricanes and Europe!

https://www.businessinsider.com/why-hurricanes-never-hit-europe-2018-10
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DJ; The Arctic is extremely warm pushing cold air-via the jetstream to the US and central Siberia. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIdu33vKME4 (Robert Scribler)

"Leslie" did bring a lot of damage to Portugal, Spain, France. https://www.wunderground.com/news/news/news/2018-10-15-southwestern-france-floods-trebes and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Leslie_(2018)#Madeira

"Michael"https://www.theweathernetwork.com/news/articles/iberian-peninsula-battered-by-remnants-hurricane-leslie-hurricane-michael-september-2018/115091

DJ-As should be expected Europe is not safe for hurricanes any longer due to (rapid) climate change.

https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/94L-Headed-Towards-Belize-Tara-Drenching-Mexico-Luban-Floods-Yemen
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Originally posted by Technophobe Technophobe wrote:


We never used to have them. The first recorded on our south coast was during my childhood.

We are getting windier every year. Two years ago we put up a polytunnel. "That will stand a force nine!" we commented smugly, as we finished shoring it up, burying its edges and adding anchors. It did.

Then we had our first force 10 since arriving here. It even bent the steel hoops flat!

Isn't it amazing how hard it is to listen to your own advice?


Indeed!! I just read about your Storm Callum, I hope you and yours fared well! I used to live in the Southwest of England (Exeter), and these extreme weather events (massive winter snowfalls, storms, floods) make me sad!

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/10/12/europe/storm-callum-uk-ireland-intl/index.html
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We never used to have them. The first recorded on our south coast was during my childhood.

We are getting windier every year. Two years ago we put up a polytunnel. "That will stand a force nine!" we commented smugly, as we finished shoring it up, burying its edges and adding anchors. It did.

Then we had our first force 10 since arriving here. It even bent the steel hoops flat!

Isn't it amazing how hard it is to listen to your own advice?
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Originally posted by Technophobe Technophobe wrote:

I can't be specific regarding atmospheric layers, but generally speaking, currents of anything (gasses, liquids or even plasma) form as the laws of physics try to equalise divergent temperatures. The hotter the fluid, or the greater the thermal incline, the stronger and faster the currents.

That is why stronger hurricanes are a given in global warming.

I've been saying this about global warming for several decades, but the wind has barely started rising yet! Hold on to your hats (metephorically and actually) it is going to be a wild ride!


Indeed it will, Techno!

I saw that Portugal was assailed by Hurricane Leslie, I didn't know that your side of the pond was blessed with these things!

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I can't be specific regarding atmospheric layers, but generally speaking, currents of anything (gasses, liquids or even plasma) form as the laws of physics try to equalise divergent temperatures. The hotter the fluid, or the greater the thermal incline, the stronger and faster the currents.

That is why stronger hurricanes are a given in global warming.

I've been saying this about global warming for several decades, but the wind has barely started rising yet! Hold on to your hats (metephorically and actually) it is going to be a wild ride!
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https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-13/hurricane-cost-may-skyrocket-billions-stealth-fighter-jets-unaccounted-tyndall-afb:

According to the New York Times, Tyndall is home to 55 stealth fighters, "which cost a dizzying $339 million each." Before Michael hit, the Air Force evacuated at least 33 of the planes to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio, however they would not comment on the status of the remaining 22 fighters.
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F-22s are notoriously finicky and, as the Times puts it "not always flight-worthy." The Air Force reported earlier this year that just 49% of F-22s were mission ready at any given time - the lowest rate of any fighter in the Air Force. The total value of the unaccounted-for fighters is arouind $7.5 billion.

The eye of Hurricane Michael traveled directly over Tyndall, peeling back stormproof roofs like tin cans and flipping over an F-15 fighter jet display at the base entrance.
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I realy have to study this subject, does a growing temperature difference between layers in the atmosphere create stronger hurricanes (and UV-C getting to the surface-or is that unrelated ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermosphere 80km+, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_layer 30km+)

Interesting question on wich I do not have an answer yet...

http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/database/index.php?pageid=event_desc&edis_id=TC-20181014-65024-USA

Robert Scribler with some good info on the (very warm +5c/+8F) Arctic and damages of "Michael" (stirred up Ocean, forrests down=effecting CO2sinks)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvyCSc0HEpA, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gl4nyrDOePo

By the way, "Leslie" making landfall in Portugal, moving over Spain towards France this sunday http://www.severe-weather.eu/outlooks-day1/outlook-day-1-2-valid-13-14-10-2018/ and "Michael" on its way to Europe http://www.severe-weather.eu/tropical-weather/remnants-of-ex-hurricane-michael-intensifying-in-the-atlantic-extra-tropical-storm-on-the-way-towards-the-bay-of-biscay-tomorrow-oct-14th/
http://www.estofex.org/:A level 3 was issued for parts of Portugal surrounded by a level 2 covering also parts of Spain mainly for severe to damaging wind gusts and to a lesser extent for (strong) tornados and excessive precipitation.

https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/Rain-Spain-Falls-Mainly-Froma-Hurricane

DJ-Europe is not ready to deal with hurricanes at all. It is very likely there will be a fast increase of hurricanes getting to Europe (also other storms getting much stronger).
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With all the wierd effects of global warming, I would not be at all surprised to find that the thermophile had cooled. Despite its high temperature and vast size however, the thermophile would be unlikely to produce much effect at Earth's surface as its molecules are so far appart. It is almost vaccuum.

However if the thermophile has cooled, that is evidence that the warming of the Earth's surface is definitely NOT solar in origin. The temperature of the thermophile layer is almose entirely solar-generated. So if it is cooling whilst the rest of the earth is warming, then something here is more than compensating for reduced solar warming.
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I read a story a while back about the thermosphere now being the coldest it has ever been recorded at (only been measuring it since the space age).   I have a sneaky feeling this is what is allowing the hurricanes to blow up like they have the last couple years.   People think it is heat that drives hurricanes. When in reality it is temperature differential that powers weather.   I have no idea if a cold thermosphere supports global warming or not.


Side note: Google and Youtube have been really pissing me off lately.   It is very obvious they have been modifying their algorithms to make sure we all get our news from "approved" sources.   I only mention it because I for the life of me couldn't find the article to back up what I said in the first paragraph.   I know I read it and not even that long ago but google has become useless at helping me find it.
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https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-11/i-have-no-words-aerial-footage-shows-trail-devastation-left-hurricane-michael,

http://www.thebigwobble.org/2018/10/monster-hurricane-michael-fourth.html,

https://www.wunderground.com/news.

DJ-"Michael" coincided with a "sharp fall" at the stock-exchanges. Most likely there is only a limited relationship between the two events although it may be hard to look into investors minds.

Looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Atlantic_hurricane_season#Season_effects;
Harvey 125 billion, Maria 92 billion, Irma 65 billion US$ in damages.
this year https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Atlantic_hurricane_season#Season_effects Florence brought 45 billion in damages, Michael most likely will go beyond that (and the season is not over yet).

Most damages are impossible to put in numbers, trust in the safety of the place you live, work, invest getting damaged. Tourism gone. Trust in governments gone.
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Agreed that water does most of the damage during a hurricane. Michal produced a huge surge no doubt.

I was only taking issue with the wind speeds they said.   We should all know more in the morning.
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Deep Thinker, MrMBB333 also compared hurricanes with tornadoes-in my (DJ) opinion this is incorrect because with hurricanes most damage is done by the water/surge/rain...(But I admit I am not an expert)

BPEarthwatch also expressing surprise "Michael" remaining a hurricane-on land-that long. Unprecedented ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjU8iXLyaq4 "There must be a lot of damage"!
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