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    Posted: Yesterday at 12:46am
https://southfront.org/bolivian-parliament-elects-new-head-refuses-to-acknowledge-self-proclaimed-president-jeanine-anez/ (DJ-War is for lithium, but also oil and gas. US is supporting a fascist minority dictatorship. The EU is divided-as always, Russia is looking at developments.)

DJ-In the US war against Iran https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/11/author-of-the-keep-the-oil-mission-already-distances-himself-from-its-foreseeable-failure.html,
https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/revolt-in-iran-crowds-shout-we-don-t-want-islamic-republic

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/vladimir-putin-sums-new-world-order-5-words;
Vladimir Putin: "The Dollar Enjoyed Great Trust Around The World. But For Some Reason It Is Being Used As A Political Weapon, Imposing Restrictions. Many Countries Are Now Turning Away From The Dollar As A Reserve Currency. US Dollar Will Collapse Soon."

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/henry-kissinger-warns-of-catastrophic-conflicts-between-china-and-us

DJ-The basic conflict is between the US and China. South America is just another new frontline. Iran is essential for China's new silk road.

https://southfront.org/uk-is-preparing-evaucation-of-intelligence-personnel-from-syrias-idlib/ DJ-Is the US/CIA already transporting Uyghur-IS fighters from Idlib-Syria to Afghanistan to attack China (and Iran, Russia)?

https://legalinsurrection.com/2019/10/u-s-pork-industry-prepares-to-face-pig-ebola-emergency/

DJ-Since in a war all means that can bring victory will be used, what role was there for bio-weapons ?

When Trump wants to be re-elected he can not start an OPEN major war. The "democrats" in the US would welcome such a major conflict to get rid of Trump.

From the Moon of Alabama-article;
Assad also expressed a realistic view of the U.S. government system:

Question 13: Concerning the American behavior here, particularly in relation to Syrian oil, don’t you believe that this behavior is that of a government gang? And what are the losses to Syria as a result of Washington’s behavior?
President Assad: You are absolutely correct, not only because they are looting oil, but because America is structured as a political system of gangs. The American president does not represent a state – he is the company CEO, and behind this CEO there is a board of directors which represent the big companies in America – the real owners of the state – oil and arms companies, banks, and other lobbies. So, in reference to Syrian oil, this is the expected result of the American regime, which is led by companies acting for their own interests.

Assad goes on to explain that to steal-the-oil was also the Nazi's reason to invade the Soviet Union. He further observes:

[W]e can very simply liken American policy today with Nazi policy: expansion, invasion, undermining the interests of other nations, trampling on international law, international conventions, human principles, and others – all for the sake of oil. What’s the difference between this policy and Nazi policy? Can anybody from the American regime give us an answer to this question? I don’t think so.

DJ-We are further moving into a very dangerous zone.
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DJ-From https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-china-european-peninsula;
- The Bishkek Declaration, adopted by SCO members, emphasizes the security guarantees of the Central Asian Nuclear-Weapons-Free Zone Treaty, the ‘unacceptability of attempts to ensure one country’s security at the expense of other countries’ security,’ and condemns ‘the unilateral and unlimited buildup of missile defense systems by certain countries or groups of states.’ Iranian President Hassan Rouhani, speaking to Presidents Putin, Xi, Modi and Imran Khan, blasted the US as ‘a serious risk to stability in the region and the world” and offered preferential treatment for all fellow SCO nations, companies, and entrepreneurs to invest in Iran’s market. Xi responded that Beijing will keep developing ties with Tehran ‘no matter how the situation changes.’
-The Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership, (Brunei, Cambodia, Indonesia, Laos, Malaysia, Myanmar, the Philippines, Singapore, Thailand, Vietnam, China, Japan, India, South Korea, Australia and New Zealand). The world’s largest trade bloc, the RCEP accounts for half the world’s economy and, in contrast to the WTO, is biased in favor of developing nations and excludes investor-state dispute settlement (ISDS) mechanisms that advantage private corporations over states.
-Trans-Eurasia transit time has fallen from three weeks to two, and should be ten days by 2024. Ultimately, Russia aims to connect China’s northern provinces with Eurasia via the The Trans-Siberian and the Chinese Eastern Railway–with Chita in China and Khabarovsk in Russia, are already totally interconnected.
-Iran is a key BRI node and Tehran sees it as the way to full integration into the Eurasian economic ecosystem. Cargo transiting from all over India via the International North-South Transport Corridor, INSTC, to the Iranian port of Bandar Abbas reduces shipping costs to Europe by forty percent. The INSTC will soon merge with BRI’s global transport network.

DJ-Eur-Asian integration-with many links to Africa is full speed.

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/11/as-maximum-pressure-fails-to-move-iran-dirty-tricks-become-more-likely.html, https://www.debka.com/__trashed-9/;A large influx of US troops is entering northeastern Syria this month to counter new Russian plans. This step follows several summersaults on Syria by President Donald Trump since his March 20 decision to withdraw the US from that country.

DJ-This Europe-Asia-Africa integration can not be stopped by the unrest in Iraq, Lebanon. Even the US attacking Iran will not stop this proces. "Eur-As-Af"integration is the end of US dominance.

The integration-movement is backed at most companies level-no one wants to miss a part of the over 4 billion consumers Asia market. Access to fast transportation routes mean less transport costs, faster deals.
(China is already investing in distribution centers in Europe to increase trade.)

It is an illusion the US can stop this movement-they should join it ! (not fight it !)
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DJ-Economic warfare; https://southfront.org/us-congress-to-support-three-seas-initiative-against-russian-energy-coercion-in-europe/
Eastern EU-countries united against western EU countries by the US to block EU buying Russian energy. (DJ-This will improve US-EU relations-not !)
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/us-navy-secretary-warns-fragile-supply-chain-and-great-power-competition China is investing in countries to use the debt to take over those countries-in US eyes. (The US has military bases all over the globe and is almost at war with the few countries they can not have bases.)

Iran

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/iran-to-re-start-underground-uranium-enrichment, https://www.debka.com/iran-reactivates-fordow-uranium-enrichment-plant-nears-nuclear-weapon-capacity/, https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/11/05/610481/Zarif-Salehi-Trump-economic-terrorism-Fordow-uranium-enrichment

DJ-Iran claims it is working on a nuclear energy programm (with International IAEA supervision). Iran may not be able to produce enough oil/gas for own energy demand. For ethical reasons Iran is against nuclear weapons-it claims.
Israel claims Iran is working on nuclear weapons. (Israel already has-thanks to France-but does not want Iran to have them.)
Main reasons why Israel did not attack yet is Iran can and will strike back (and destroy Israel). Also Russia-having good relations with both Iran and Israel-may try to limit the damage.
DJ-Israel can not act on its own against Iran. Saudi/UAE help will not make much difference (at best-Yemen is an indication that having Saudi support may bring you in problems). A "false flag" could be usefull to get the US to support military action.
Russia and China will see such an attack on Iran as an attack on them.
Netanyahu-Israel PM will most likely not be the next PM (and face prison due to corruption). Gantz (incoming PM-most likely) may be willing to do more to avoid war with Iran.

The way a very tiny extremely rich elite lives may not leave room for others. https://www.zerohedge.com/health/11000-experts-make-modest-proposal-end-global-warming-just-kill-billions-people
Instead of creating a smaller ecological footprint, less use of airplanes, cars, meat etc. this criminal elite may seek to solve their problem by killing you and me. (One idea is starting a major nuclear war with the elite in nuclear protection bunkers-idea is insane-after a nuclear war Earth is inhabitable, will not produce food.)

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/us-preparing-to-build-2-large-bases-in-syrias-oil-rich-region-report/, https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/11/05/610486/Syrian-army-soldiers-enter-Rumailan-oil-field-in-Hasakah-after-years-Reports
DJ-The US is not very likely to start another major conflict over Syrian oil-fields. Iraq, Turkey will not assist the US in stealing oil-so air-support for the US may have to come from Jordan/KSA. (And extra protection from IS-the US than has an excuse-fight their own creation-again. IS is selling-again-the Syrian oil ro ISrael-according to some info).

DJ-Russia will try to avoid an open conflict with the US over the oilfields. The US is getting the point of keeping US troops in East Syria may mean those forces getting isolated. The Kurds do not like it when the oil-incomes goes to IS.2. Attacking the oilinstallations will take away the point of the US being there any further.

DJ-In my opinion we live in times more dangerous than even during the 1962 Cuba-crisis. Syria is just one of many conflict area's. The US feels weaker, Russia-China stronger than before.

From Huawei to Northstream the US is in a full scale economic war against both Russia and China, and seems incapable of diplomacy. With also India-Pakistan tensions, the fight between the EU and US over the UK (Brexit) international stability is under severe pressure.
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DJ-No major (false flag) event so far. Still https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/something-has-apparently-happened-emergency-action-message-of-242-characters; from the comments;
-The definition..
an Emergency Action Message (EAM) is a preformatted message that directsnuclear-capable forces to execute specific Major Attack Options (MOAs) or Limited Attack Options (LOAs) in a nuclear war
-https://twitter.com/Spy_Stations/status/1191133308261941248
-I used to listen to plenty of numbers stations, especially the British "Lincolnshire Poacher", the Israeli E10 alphanumeric broadcasts and the Cuban "Atencion!" station. They would always broadcast on a very fixed schedule and always the same number of code numbers or letters. If there was no message to convey to the intended recipients, the codes sent would (apparently) simply decode to "NO MESSAGE" and be followed by random gobbeldygook to fill the rest of the message to the fixed number of characters. No, it is not possible to decode these messages, since they are created using one-time pads, but the mere presence of an unusually long, short or off-schedule broadcast in and of itself suggests that something is afoot (hence this article), so the military and intelligence agencies of the world make sure that at least something is broadcast periodically and uniformly in order not to tip anyone off.

https://www.debka.com/russia-deactivates-its-s-400-batteries-at-the-khmeimim-air-base-and-all-syria/

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/11/03/610309/Iran-Fars-Saudi-Arabia-Yemen-Aramco;
The spokesman for Iran's Armed Forces says in case of any aggression against the Islamic Republic, Iranian forces will target the interests of the United States and its allies at any place and on any territory.

DJ-https://syria.liveuamap.com/, https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russia-mulling-lease-of-qamishli-airport-to-challenge-us-influence-in-eastern-syria-report/
The US seems to be sending US forces into Syria again.

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-and-iranian-coasts-to-be-linked-with-new-railway-report/ DJ-As part of China's New Silk Road-wich is being frustrated by the US.

The unrest in Iraq, Lebanon, Pakistan (and Hong Kong) is seen by China as US intervention and sabotage. In the case of Hong Kong investments can be moved to Shanghai. SW Asia may be more vital for China (and India-both buying Iran oil). An attack on Iran is an attack on Russia and China.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/rebuilding-syria-without-syrias-oil
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DJ-Hal Turner seems to stick to his story of a Nov-3 Seatle false flag attack ? https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/western-u-s-showing-radiation-spikes-before-nov-3-rumored-false-flag-nuke-attack (and https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/acts-2-19-wonders-in-the-heavens ?)

DJ-Based on this (German-English) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VeqRUQkB8I video ?

DJ-If this is the basis for the nov-3 story it is "not very strong". Still looking at other events one may wonder if the US is preparing for a strike against Iran (blaming Iran for the Yemen attacks on Aramco, KSA).

https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/2-november-turkishbacked-factions-have-destroyed-proassadforces vehicles at Tal Tamr front with ATGM, https://southfront.org/syrian-oil-and-us-troop-withdrawal-explained/,
https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/3-november-deir-ezzor-a-number-of-iranian-militia-memberswere killed in Al-Bukamal desert after ISIS attack on its checkpoints


DJ-If the US is moving its forces from Qatar to Saudi Arabia because Qatar is "to close to Iran", moving some US forces from Iraq back into Syria fits the same pattern. Spreading and distancing forces from Iran would make sense when the US would plan to attack Iran. https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/iran-syria-sign-deal-on-electricity-cooperation/

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/us-b-52-bomber-unexpectedly-approached-russian-airbase-in-syria-media/DJ-the B52(s ?) were/was on its way to Jordan from the UK.

https://www.debka.com/netanyahu-israel-ponders-pre-emptive-operation-to-prevent-iranian-cruise-missile-strike/ DJ-Story from oct 10-so there has been time to prepare for a (major) strike against Iran. [url}https://www.debka.com/the-idf-mulls-pre-emptive-strike-to-ward-off-planned-iranian-attacks-on-the-uae-and-israel/[/url] DJ-The idea of a "preventive war against Iran" goes back further. Netanyahu may not become the next Israeli PM-Iran is his obsession. (DJ_A false flag against the US blamed on Iran may push the US towards war with Iran.)https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/11/02/610185/Israel-Iran-Yemen-Syria-tensions-Ansarullah-missile-Avigdor-Lieberman

https://sputniknews.com/business/201911031077211873-saudi-arabia-aramco-inital-public-offering/ DJ-It is expected China may try to buy Aramco. (And the US does not like that.)
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https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/iran-foreign-minister-warns-fourth-step-coming, https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/all-israeli-air-defenses-on-alert-amid-fears-of-possible-iranian-attack-report/,https://www.debka.com/soleimani-takes-helm-of-iraqi-security-from-prime-minister-abdul-mahdi/;
Soleimani who swept into the meeting with a party of aides took the chair from Iraqi prime minister Adel Abdul-Mahdi. He then told the commanders gathered there, We in Iran know how to deal with protests. This happened in Iran and we got it under control.

It was obvious to the Iraqi officials present that the Iranian general was taking charge, DEBKAfiles sources report. This was effectively an Iranian coup for the takeover of Iraqs political and security leadership. This extreme step was intended to hold back the free fall of Tehrans influence in Baghdad as well as Beirut under the mounting weight of popular disaffection in Iraq and Lebanon.

https://www.debka.com/mivzak/khamenei-accuses-us-arab-states-in-lebanon-iraq-unrest/

(DJ-As a reminder https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/intel-or-insanity-false-flag-nuclear-attack-seattle-wa-los-angeles-ca-november-3-not very likely but several parties want/need a major incident/war.)

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/chinese-military-debuts-most-advanced-ballistic-missile/, https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/chinas-j-20-stealth-jet-showcases-new-missiles/

DJ-For China both Iran, Iraq, Syria, Turkey, Lebanon are parts of the New Silk Road. Destabilization (in their eyes by the US) is an anti-China move.

DJ-From https://southfront.org/u-s-prepares-to-deploy-bradly-infantry-fighting-vehicles-in-syrias-deir-ezzor-photos/ to https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/will-opec-declare-war-us-shale, https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/markets-spooked-report-china-doubts-trade-deal-ever-possible the international situation is getting worse.

DJ-The struggle for #1 depends on how you look at numbers;
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/the-86-trillion-world-economy-in-one-chart/ ;
#1     🇺🇸 United States     $20.49 trillion     23.89%
#2     🇨🇳 China     $13.61 trillion     15.86%
or
#1     🇨🇳 China     $25.4 trillion     18.6%     +1
#2     🇺🇸 United States     $20.5 trillion     15.0%     -1
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/visualizing-the-composition-of-the-world-economy-by-gdp-ppp/?fbclid=IwAR0O7vfYcOtZD2BUjv_fIRsY1v644UmObce-jxHtEUTmpVP3J73OyUVVxL8 (DJ-Looking at what you can do with that money)
Eur-Asian integration is pushing the US to the sidelines.
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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-china-relations-years-ahead-trade-war-sideshow;
In his speech, Pence harshly attacked virtually every aspect of Chinese society and referred to it an “authoritarian regime” on multiple occasions. This isn’t the sort of language U.S. officials tend to use when a breakthrough deal with a foreign nation is imminent, it’s the sort of language U.S. officials use when the country is at war, about to be at war, or is working on a regime change operation.
and;
If Trump wins in 2020, I expect he’ll become more aggressive with China than almost anyone can imagine. Without having to think about reelection, Trump will focus on his legacy and he’ll see reorienting the U.S.-Chinese relationship as the most historically significant achievement he can accomplish. At that point, China will have have no choice but to face the reality of another four years of Trump, and it’ll likewise stop pretending things are going well, which will cause the situation to deteriorate fast.

The path is a bit less clear should Trump lose reelection, though a major U.S.-China conflict remains in the cards early next decade regardless for a couple of reasons. First, the global economy is in fact on the verge of systemic failure due to it being structurally little more than a massive fraud scheme of debt, corruption and rent-seeking. When this failure truly manifests globally, both Chinese and U.S. leadership will desire a conflict in order to distract from internal problems. Chinese elites won’t want the Chinese people to blame them, and U.S. elites won’t want to be blamed either. As such, an external enemy works for politicians and oligarchs in both countries. It’s the same as it ever was. Trump’s just escalating and bringing forward a collision that’s increasingly likely to unfold irrespective of who resides in the oval office.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/multiple-dead-syrian-army-turkey-now-heavy-clashes-border, https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/30-october-saa-troops-withdrew-from-military-checkpoints,https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/turkish-backed-militants-abuse-captured-syrian-soldiers/, https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/erdogan-says-turkey-has-right-to-resume-northern-syria-operation/

DJ-"Turkish backed rebels" may be a problem for Erdogan when they are in Turkey-also very hard to control. Does Erdogan want Syria, Russia (and the Kurds") to "solve that problem" (by killing most of those "rebels")?
https://southfront.org/turkish-backed-militants-executed-syrian-soldier-captured-near-ras-al-ayn/, https://southfront.org/syrian-war-report-october-29-2019-army-reinforces-positions-on-turkish-border/
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https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/breaking-news-israel-closing-all-of-its-embassies-worldwide-immediately;
Is this part and parcel of the ALLEGED nuclear "false flag" said to be in the works against Seattle, WA and Los Angeles, CA for this Sunday, November 3?   Unknown.

Does this have something to do with Diplomatic Cables uncovered in the lair of ISIS Leader Al-Baghdadi?   Diplomatic cables between Baghdadi and the US State Department were seized by US Special Operations Forces during the raid that killed Baghdadi over the weekend. If Cables were found to the US State Department, were any others found to and from Israel?????

One off-the-wall claim are those rumors that Israel had a nuke stored in strategic embassy basements around the world as a blackmail option. Will those nukes be detonated? Unknown.

This is very unusual and very disturbing. Clearly something very big is up. Endeavoring to find out what it is.

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/intel-or-insanity-false-flag-nuclear-attack-seattle-wa-los-angeles-ca-november-3;
Prior to the attacks of 9-11, German Intelligence notified then-President George W. Bush of a terrorist plot to hijack planes and fly them into buildings.   The President did nothing. The attacks of 9-11 occurred.

Now, the Germans are alerting us again . . . to a nuclear "false flag attack" upon Seattle, WA, this Sunday, November 3 . . .

Is this Intel . . . . or insanity?   

DJ-Pearl Harbour 1941 was no surprise attack for the US. Maybe the military underestimated the attack-but they were informed from several sides the attack was coming. Letting the attack happen did open the door for the US to get involved openly in W.W.2.

Just like 9-11-2001, MH17, chemical weapons in Syria were false flags-with 9-11 opening the door to start wars in Afghanistan and Iraq-a new major false flag could open the door to start a war with Iran, North Korea, China, Russia...

DJ-I do not think there will be a major nuclear attack on the US in coming november, still I also did not expect MH17, 9-11 etc.

The goal of the Syria-war was to stop Russia-Iran-China. In 2011 T-U-L-S-I was the coalition to bring down Assad. Turkey, US, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Israel.

IS was stopped in Syria by Russia, in Iraq by Iran. Also a failed (US backed) coup-attempt in Turkey did bring Turkey on the side of Russia, Iran.

https://www.rt.com/news/472161-lavrov-cavusoglu-zarif-geneva/, https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/retired-general-trumps-syria-oil-plan-turns-us-troops-pirates,
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/10/why-lebanon-and-iraq-are-at-the-brink-of-further-strife.html;
#Lebanon and #Iraq protestors hitting the "Axis of the Resistance" stability in these two countries and pushing Prime Ministers in both countries to resign and lead the country towards instability.

#US and #SaudiArabia has lost #Syria but are still fighting in other theatres.

DJ-Some major groups in the US want a "uni-polar world" in wich the US "is the boss" and above any law. Those groups will stop for nothing to get what they want-even when it brings W.W.3.

In Israel Netanyahu is unable to become PM again-with that faces prison for corruption.

Saudi Arabia is "mixed up" in a royal powerstruggle.

These facts can become a basis for very dangerous scenario's. The struggle for Syria basicly turned into a struggle for global domination. Russia and China combined are beating the US.

A very unlikely scenaria-Hal Turner did publish more of them in the past-(I do believe he was correct in Turkey and Saudi Arabia preparing for an invasion of Syria around 2015) still may be realistic-how awfull that scenario is.
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From https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/10/the-moa-week-in-review-open-thread-2019-62.html#more some good comments;

Last week, Thierry Meyssan posted an excellent paper (https://www.voltairenet.org/article208007.html), in which he states that the recent events in Syria, in which ‘a quarter of the country was freed in a week’ is not only a victory for Assad, but the defeat of the ‘military strategy to establish the supremacy of financial capitalism’. These events mark the overturning of the world order that has been in place since the end of WWII.

What I find remarkable is how quickly the old order has been overturned. The old order was initially a bi-polar world, which evolved, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, into a Uni-Polar World Order under the control of 'financial capitalism' (i.e. the ‘Globalists’, also referred to as ‘international financial elites’, ‘Anglo-Zionists’, the ‘Davos Crowd’, etc.). Arguably the Uni-Pole's power peaked in the early 2000s after the creation of the EU and the eastern expansion of NATO. The first cracks in the Uni-Pole's hegemonic power appeared in 2003 with the fiasco in Iraq, and in 2008 with the Global Financial Crisis. But even as late as 2015, when Obama dismissed Russia’s entry into Syria as nothing but Russia stepping into a quagmire, the 'Globalists' could foresee no opposing force that would prevent them from consolidating their Uni-Polar World Order into an enduring world-wide system of ‘Global Governance’ through a ‘Rules-based International Order’ under the 'Globalists' control and enforced by the U.S. and NATO. But now, as Meyssan suggests, only four years later, the Uni-Polar World Order has been toppled.

In its place a ‘Multi-Polar World’ order is emerging. I would like to suggest that the outlines of this emerging order are as follows:
1. The dominant pole of this Multi-polar World is that led by the alliance of Russia and China. Spanning Eurasia from the Pacific to the Mediterranean, this pole includes the countries of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, and the Eurasian Economic Union, and includes Iran, Iraq, Syria, and possibly, in the future, Turkey.

2. The second pole will be the remnants of the 'Globalist' empire, stripped, however, of Europe (ex. U.K.) and any Asian representation, i.e. the U.S., U.K., Israel and likely Canada.

3. A third group consists of countries that are currently either occupied militarily by the U.S. or are part of NATO, but are either economically dependent on China or are in economic competition with the U.S. This includes most of Europe, Japan, South Korea, Australia, New Zealand, and the GCC countries (KSA, UAE, etc.). These countries cannot be considered as poles by themselves, for while some of them may have the economic weight to be considered a pole, such as Germany and Japan, they lack the geo-political weight. These countries are likely to try to escape from their status as American ('Globalist') vassals and become independent nations dealing equitably with all the poles of the new Multi-Polar World. In my view, it is unlikely that the EU will survive the birth of this new-world order in its current form. At best it is likely to revert back to a European free trade area, in which each country will recapture its sovereignty and its own currency.

4. A fourth group consists of countries that, while not being a part of the Russia/China pole will be under its wing, with Russia providing military, political and geo-political support, and China providing economic support. This group includes countries which are currently either under threat from the 'Globalists' (ie. Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Bolivia, etc.), are in turmoil due to exploitation by the 'Globalists' (ie. Chile, Argentina, Brazil, etc.) or are outright failed states (most of Africa). Under the protection of Russia and China, they will once again have a chance to overcome the anarchy of the past 20 or so years and to return to peaceful development.

5. A fifth group consists of what will likely end up as secondary poles of the Multi-Polar World. These are countries that today are both independent and have the geo-political and economic weight to continue to function independently. This group includes the likes of India and the ASEAN countries.

Uncertain is the time that it will take for this emerging order to stabilize. In my view, this depends to a great extent on whether Trump survives impeachment and wins in 2020. If he does then the emergence of the Multi-Polar World Order could be quite quick and painless, as it is aligned with the policies that Trump has been espousing from the beginning of his presidential campaign in 2015. To 'Make America Great Again' requires that the U.S. recover its sovereignty and redevelop its industrial power. After all, a countries wealth, and thus its power, is what it produces, and a country that doesn't produce as much as it consumes will, in the end, consume itself. To redevelop its industrial power the U.S. needs to isolate itself, as Trump is attempting to do behind a wall of tariff barriers and a devalued currency. The Multi-Polar World Order will allow the U.S. the opportunity it needs isolate, and then rebuild, itself. One must remember that it was the isolation of the U.S. in the 19th and early 20th centuries that enabled the U.S. to become so powerful in the first place.

If, on the other hand, Trump is either overthrown by the 'Globalists' or defeated in 2020 then the emergence of the Multi-Polar World Order will be fraught with conflict. The 'Globalists' will fight it every step of the way, using all tools at their disposal, and particularly the military muscle of the U.S. and NATO. For the 'Globalists' the Multi-Polar World Order means the dispossession of their power and wealth. However, I believe that will simply be a case of the losers continuing to fight long after the war has been lost. It is only a question of how much time that it will take, and death and destruction that will occur, before the U.S. and NATO are exhausted.

The emergence of the Multi-Polar World Order, once it stabilizes, is likely to usher in a new era of peace and human development, similar to that which the world experienced in the decades following WWII.

This Baghdadi killing is the fifth reported killing since 2014.
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https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/trump-wants-deal-exxon-or-other-company-take-syrian-oil, https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/us-military-will-strike-anyone-challenging-their-occupation-of-syrian-oil-fields-secdef/

DJ-Both the oil fields as Al-Tanf can get problematic. It is Syrian territory, the US has not any legal reason to be there. https://southfront.org/syria-russia-open-bridge-linking-eastern-and-western-banks-of-euphrates-in-deir-ezzor/ When talks with the US do not help maybe Russia will go to UN, EU ? (Direct open confrontation with US forces not very likely, but Electronic Warfare, proxy forces as options ?)

https://southfront.org/booming-turkish-russian-trade-abandoning-us-dollar/ DJ-The war in Syria is in fact a war for EurAsia. https://southfront.org/russia-africa-shared-vision-2030-alternative-to-neo-colonial-pillage/ The Turkish ceasefire in NE Syria will end today-Syrian and Russian forces did not yet take over all of the Syria-Turkey border-mainly due to the presence of Turkish backed "rebels". Turkey can not allow to start major military operations in that area when it wants to have good relations with Russia and Iran (the west is not an alternative for Erdogan.)

DJ-Russia has questions on the dead of Baghdadi https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201910291077170050-daesh-leaders-odd-location-in-al-qaeda-controlled-idlib-raises-questions-on-trumps-narrative/

https://www.debka.com/us-mid-east-forces-relocate-out-of-iranian-cruise-missile-range-the-idf-begins-overhaul/ DJ-US is moving its military out of Qatar because it is to "close to Iran" (ignoring US taking Saudi side in conflict with Qatar. Qatar may depend more on Turkish, Iran forces-invite Russia, China ?)

DJ-On (US) politics (a lot of other countries not doing much better)
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/america-has-officially-gone-insane US not only putting US forces in west Iraq-also IS fighters are being transported by the US-so "the anti-IS coalition has a reason to fight terror in the Syria oil fields".

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https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/abu-dua-captured-by-us-sof-that-s-the-leader-of-isis-aka-al-baghdadi, https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/us-special-forces-carried-out-trump-approved-raid-to-kill-baghdadi/, https://www.debka.com/isis-leader-baghdadi-reported-killed-in-us-operation-in-syria/
DJ-Just like Osama bin Laden was in Pakistan-long time US ally, Baghdadi was in Turkish/western backed rebels controled area near the Turkish border in Idlib NW Syria.

Both AQ and IS are believed to be creations of the CIA.

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/iran-could-attack-israel-from-nearly-all-sides-israeli-general/, https://southfront.org/can-iran-to-fend-off-us-israeli-missile-or-drone-attack/

DJ-Besides from stealing Syrian oil https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/u-s-stealing-30-million-per-month-in-syrian-oil-tax-free-cash-to-swiss-bank-accounts the US wants to control eastern Syria to stop Iran (and China) from getting a connection to the mediterranean.

Unrest in https://www.debka.com/mivzak/eight-protesters-killed-in-iraq-by-live-shots-and-tear-gas-fired-by-police/ and https://www.debka.com/mivzak/nasrallah-warns-lebanons-nationwide-protest-could-lead-to-civil-war/ is also serving this US-Saudi-Israeli goal.

The build-up of US forces (for war against Iran) goes on https://www.debka.com/mivzak/us-deploys-stealth-f-22-raptors-at-saudi-prince-sultan-air-base/

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/us-confirms-troops-returned-to-syria-from-iraq/, https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/heres-why-trumps-secure-syrias-oil-plan-will-be-impossible-implement
DJ-There is no legal bases for US forces occupy oil fields in an other country.

https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/27-october-the-site-targeted-by-the-us-military-operation
DJ-Again, how come IS-leader Baghdadi was in western backed "moderate rebels" area near the Turkish border ?

https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/26-october-reports-of-clashes-between-proassad-forces-andTurkish-backed forces in Ras al-Ain countryside

DJ-The Turkish backed "rebels" may be hard to control for Turkey. Also some Kurds will not stop fighting against Turkey and its proxies. Both Syria and Russia will try to control the fighting.

DJ-One could argue that "there is a battle for Asia" between the US and China. In that battle the US may be losing India https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/india-us-officially-suspend-defense-cooperation (India can do bussiness with Russia while the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor will connect China, via Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Turkey with the EU.)
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DJ-Still the SDF/Kurds do not get realistic: https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/10/syria-the-kurds-want-to-play-on-both-sides.html;
SDF in last 24 hour:
Want SAA to defend border
No withdrawing of their mercenaries
Refuse Russian offer
Ask Russia to pressure Syrian gov
Want "special section" in SAA
Want US illegal presence in Syria
Want international forces

SDF, Are you high?

https://southfront.org/syrian-war-report-october-25-2019-russia-deploys-more-personnel-equipment-in-syria/,
https://southfront.org/how-russian-turkish-safe-zone-deal-shapes-course-of-syrian-conflict/

DJ-Israel wants Iran out of Syria and is using the Kurds to get that done.
https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/u-s-lands-f-22-stealth-and-b1-b-strategic-bombers-in-saudi-arabia
DJ-The US wants to satisfy Israel by keeping US forces in South and East Syria (with Kurdish forces in the Arab oil region. Putting US forces in Saudi Arabia the US would have to move over/via Iraq or Jordan to get to Syria.

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-attacks-isis-gathering-in-eastern-syria-several-terrorists-killed/

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/united-states-turkey-sdf-internal-war-between-syrias-enemies;
The SDF masters in Washington understand well that without a force on the land controlled by them, they could not prevent Assad from reuniting the country and taking over the a commercial, economic and energy connection project between Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and Iran, with the Beijing Economic blessing that intends to invest / grant lines of credit of more than 600 billion dollars between Iran, Syria and Iraq.

The only legitimate authority in Syria that is able to guarantee the safety of civilians from the depredations of Daesh, the FSA, al-Nusra, al-Qaeda and all the other 256 iterations of jihadists (none of whom is “moderate”) is the Syrian Arab Army and its central government in Damascus.

Turkey, the SDF and the United States are three irregular, illegal and illegitimate occupants of Syrian soil who are fighting in the midst of thousands of civilians and are causing death and destruction that could easily be avoided.

The international political and media reaction to events happening in Syria confirms in my mind that there is an internal wrangle between the United States, Turkey and the SDF stemming from their defeat at the hands of the Syrian Arab Army and allies; a win for civilization.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/can-us-beat-china-trade-war DJ-Basics-the war in Syria is meant to stop China.
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/us-b-52-simulates-bombing-run-near-russias-kaliningrad-reports/
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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-playing-4-d-chess-game-middle-east-no-one-understands,
https://southfront.org/u-s-to-send-troops-battle-tanks-to-secure-syrian-oil-fields-report/

https://www.debka.com/trump-pivots-on-n-syria-some-us-troops-to-stay-one-air-base-retained/

DJ-The US want to keep troops in Syria-not far from the borders of Iraq and Jordan (Al Tanf). Iraq may not be happy with this-it will stimulate further protest against US (illegal since the 2003 war was against international law) presence.

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/breaking-syrian-army-scores-advance-in-ne-latakia-amid-new-push-towards-jisr-al-shughour/, https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-tanks-head-to-battlefield-to-confront-militants-at-turkish-border/

DJ-Since there are Turkish backed fighters in Idlib the confrontation between Turkey and the Syrian Arab Army (within the SAA SDF will become part of the SAA) is far from over. Russia and Iran will need to put more pressure on Turkey to stop its "support for terrorists".
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Some sidelines by Syria;

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/10/when-trump-ignored-bad-advice-he-enabled-progress-in-syria.html and https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/trump-disrupts-millions-in-illegal-drug-trafficking-cash-kickbacks-from-syria

(DJ-https://www.facebook.com/JoseBarbaNueva saw during the Viet Nam war the US protecting opium-trade, the French did that before the US moved in. In the sixties with MLK, student demonstrations drugs was a way to control crowd and break protest.)

https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/23-october-russian-deputy-foreign-minister-the-russianturkishagreement followed an understanding reached in a secret communication between Russia, Damascus and the Kurds
(DJ-In 1998 there was the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria%E2%80%93Turkey_relations Adana-agreement. Syria would stop supporting the Kurds in Syria. Disagreement on how Syria did do its job was one of the reasons for Turkey's support for regimechange. https://www.rt.com/news/471587-turkey-no-need-restart-offensive-kurds/

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russia-demands-syrian-govt-gets-back-all-its-oil-fields/, https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russia-demands-us-end-its-occupation-of-al-tanf-in-southern-syria/

Russia and Turkey now control the Turkish border. Iraq tells the U.S. NATO forces from Syria have to leave Iraq in 4 weeks. Idlib-offensive is on its way-in combination with S.A.A. moving into Raqqa/oil fields.

The US has 200 military, 400 PMC's in the oil fields wich will be surrounded soon by Syrian troops. (With Russian observers and possibly pro-Iran forces, Russian air control ? )
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DJ-Why is the Erdogan-Putin agreement important ?

1-It is one step closer to ending the "civil" war in/for Syria.
2-It gives Assad room to start the Idlib offensive.
3-It underlines that Russia (the Astana group with Turkey and Iran) can decide in this region. (And the US can not).
4-With peace-in some form-in NE Syria the China new-silk-road can go further.

Why is the Syria war something for AFT-forum ? Major pandemics are related to major wars. Refugees, poor/no hygiene, crowds of people-sometimes with bio-warfare-increase the risk of pandemics.

Countries like Syria, Iraq, Libya did have some form of public healthcare under their dictators. Western intervention destroyed the healthcare and replaced the dictators by worse dictators.

For Syria;
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/four-american-policy-failure-syria

https://southfront.org/syrian-army-and-russian-military-police-to-deploy-on-border-putin-and-erdogan-reach-agreement-on-northeastern-syria/,
https://www.debka.com/putin-obliges-erdogan-to-call-off-turkeys-operation-against-the-kurds-in-ne-syria/

https://southfront.org/syrian-army-completes-deployment-along-aleppo-hasakah-highway-east-of-euphrates-photos/
DJ-Turkey will have to pull back its forces from NE Syria and than can patrol-with Russia-in the area held by the S.A.A. (Assad forces).

https://southfront.org/us-troops-remain-in-syria-to-protect-oil-fields-from-terrorists-war-report/
DJ-I do not see how the US can keep forces in that area when there is no connection with Jordan. Iraq and Turkey do not support thes (illegal presence) US forces. They will have to give up their positions at a certain moment.

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-armys-idlib-offensive-to-begin-at-any-moment/ DJ-With Russian help-sending Turkey a very clear message. Turkey will have to work within the Astana agreement and disarm radical groups in Idlib or face Russia/Syria doing so.

https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/22-october-iraq-all-us-forces-that-withdrew-from-syria-receivedapproval to enter the Kurdistan Region so that they may be transported outside Iraq. There is no permission granted for these forces to stay inside Iraq."

DJ-The Kurds agreed to the US plan for pull back from the Turkish border. They placed themselves under Assad protection. Basicly they made a mess of their policies. On the longer term Kurds may find a way to unite in a cultural way over borders. It is the largest nation without their own state-and that is sad.
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https://sputniknews.com/world/201910221077116176-key-highlights-from-putin-erdogan-talks-as-they-discuss-situation-in-syria/:

1-Joint Patrols in Syria
The two presidents have reached an agreement that the Turkish military operation in Syria will be limited to a distance of within 30 kilometres from the Turkish-Syrian border. Moscow will send military police, while Damascus will send border guards in order to ensure the removal of YPG forces and their weapons up to a "depth of 30 kilometres away from the border". The operation needs to be completed within a timeframe of 150 hours. After YPG forces are removed, Turkey and Russia will organise joint patrols to the east and west of Ankara’s military operation, covering a 10-kilometre wide zone, with the exception of Qamishli city.

2-Peace Spring Operation Ends
Following the end of the talks between the two presidents, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov stated that the signed memorandum will ensure the end of the bloodshed in Syria, arguing that it is an important step towards a Syrian peace settlement.

At the same time, Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu stated in the wake of the Sochi meeting that the US, which is currently withdrawing its troops from northern Syria according to its agreements with Turkey, has to fulfil all of its obligations in Syria within 1 hour and 31 minutes. Shoigu added that Erdogan and Putin didn't discuss how long the Turkish forces will stay in the zone comprising Operation Peace Spring in Syria.

3-Return of War Refugees
Erdogan and Putin also addressed the humanitarian aspect of the situation in Syria, with the Russian president saying that the sides have agreed that the return of Syrian refuges should be facilitated as this would lift the burden from the countries that received them in the first place. The memorandum of the two countries stressed that the return of refugees must be conducted in a safe and voluntary manner.

https://www.rt.com/news/471529-putin-erdogan-sochi-talks/

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/syrias-fate-decided-sochi-putin-erdogan-meet-hours-syria-ceasefire-ends

DJ-There remain several obstacles;

Afrin, Idlib, East Syria oil fields and Al Tanf-the last two are US occupied.

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https://southfront.org/turkey-threatens-damascus-government-with-declaration-of-full-scale-war/,
https://www.debka.com/russian-forces-take-over-americas-n-syria-bases-e-syrian-airspace-and-concern-for-kurds/,
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-troops-escort-us-military-out-of-northern-aleppo-video/

DJ-Today Erdogan will meet Putin in Sochi-Russia. The "cease-fire" the US arranged with Turkey ends today-eventhough it did not stop the fighting.

Syria and Russia seem to be preparing for "military action" to stop Turkey in Syria. https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/21-october-the-sdf-and-saa-are-continually-repulsing-attacks, https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/erdogan-pledges-to-take-necessary-actions-in-syria-after-putin-meeting/,
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-surrounds-turkish-military-near-border-town/,
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-receives-massive-tank-shipment-from-russia-ahead-of-new-offensive-satellite-photo/

DJ-Even if Turkey does not restart its offensive in NE Syria, Syria wants to regain control of all of Syria. A Syrian offensive in Idlib may be days/hours away.
Putin will try to convince Erdogan to pull Turkish forces out of Syria. My guess is Turkey will listen even when it may take some time. (The alternative would be Turkey getting isolated. Erdogan can not trust the US/EU, Iran is on the side of Syria. A Turkish war against Syria would be also a war against Iraq, Iran, Russia-Turkey will try to prevent that.)

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/us-armed-forces-will-not-withdraw-from-syrian-oil-fields-report/
DJ-The US want to control Syria from Iraq, Al Tanf in south Syria-but the Kurds may not want to work with the US, Iraq is not waiting for being a base for US military action in Syria. The US may restart IS to "fight against" but in that scenario both Syria and Iraq may ask Russia and Iran to deal with that (and in such a scenario-when everyone knows IS=US there will be no room left for the US in the region).

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/we-have-hours-left-turkish-ceasefire-edge-collapse-erdogan-gives-kurds-hours-flee-territory,
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/betrayal-and-deception-syria-prime-example-us-foreign-policy
R-E-S-P-E-C-T is what is missing in US foreign policy. From sanctions on EU allies, South Korea to using and dumping of the Kurds-when the outcome of the US pull back from Syria is that the EU will face another refugee crisis due to US madness, Turkey starts a war with Syria-we may see the end of NATO.

https://www.defconwarningsystem.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=13599&start=30,
https://www.rt.com/news/471472-pompeo-turkey-military-action-ready/ (DJ-There seems to be still a number of US military in NE Syria (backed by IS ? The Kurds are against them, even the French talk with the Russians about their special forces in the region. The US "allowed"Turkey a smaller operation than Turkey may be planning.)
https://www.debka.com/mivzak/putin-phones-netanyahu-with-birthday-greetings-they-discuss-changes-in-syria/ but also https://www.debka.com/gantz-in-line-to-form-a-government-after-netanyahu-returns-the-premiership-mandate-to-the-president/ Gantz may be PM of Israel.
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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/escobar-syria-may-be-biggest-defeat-cia-vietnam

DJ-https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/french-special-forces-need-russias-help-to-withdraw-troops-in-northeast-syria/ When France and Germany join the (Russian-Iran-Turkey) Astana peaceproces and French military work with Russians in Syria it becomes clear how much the world did change due to "regime change wars" started by the US.

https://southfront.org/turkish-funded-syrian-national-army-and-myth-of-united-syrian-opposition/ DJ-Syrian "opposition" is most paid by foreign "partners"-this is not a "civil war".

https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/19-october-the-top-kurdish-commander-in-syria-general-mazlum;Kobane told @NBCNews he is trying to pull his forces back from Ras al-Ayn, but Turkey is not allowing it. He alleges Turkey does not want Kurdish fighters to withdraw - a condition of the ceasefire - but to kill them
(DJ-The war in Turkey against the Kurds was with NATO help and also sometimes came close to genocide.)
https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/19-october-turkish-army-lifted-the-border-wall-across-the DJ-Turkey preparing for another point for invasion east of the earlier points (and into Syrian Arab land-not Kurdish, but SDF controlled).

DJ-Oct22 Putin and Erdogan will meet. At the end Russia wants Turkey out of Syria-without a Syria-Turkey war. So far Turkey is not stopping its war against the Kurds. There is a risk of SAA-Turkish confrontation.

https://www.debka.com/popular-protests-target-lebanons-political-system-for-the-first-time-is-it-a-revolution/
DJ-Just like the Iraq-unrest the unrest in Lebanon is related to the war in Syria.

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/china-makes-move-opecs-no2;
Following a political backlash over details of its plans to make Iran effectively a client state through various multi-layered oil and gas deals, China has switched its attention – for the time being at least – to Iran’s equally oil and gas-rich neighbor, Iraq. China has the advantage in Iraq that the northern part of the country – the semi-autonomous region of Kurdistan – is already under the control of its increasingly close ally, Russia, with its corporate proxy Rosneft having secured control over Kurdistan’s oil and gas infrastructure in a deal in November 2017.

DJ-The main reason Russia-Iran-China can be succesfull in the Middle East is https://www.rt.com/news/471339-israel-obligation-to-bomb-pompeo/;Israel should not be constrained by international borders or laws if it feels under threat, and can always rely on US support, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said following his meeting with the Israeli PM and the chief of Mossad.

DJ-As long as the US treats Israel as a US bridgehead into oil-country relations with the Arab/M.E. world can not get balanced. Israel does not get room to "bomb were it likes" by Russia.
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DJ-https://theduran.com/putins-syria-master-class-signals-end-of-regime-change-wars-video/ The Duran describing the Syria-war with the "west" (US/EU) on the side of regime change-against Assad-even if that meant supporting IS/AQ etc. Western "media" only blaming Assad for war crimes while closing their eyes for even worse insanity by western backed "moderate rebels" with AQ links.

The Russian intervention prevented in 2015 Damascus being taken over by salafast/wahabist extremists. Russia intervened because they did not want a major terrorist base close to southern Russia.

The failed coup attempt against Erdogan-by the US-pushed Turkey towards Russia. (DJ-The faillure of the EU to create a working base for Turkish EU-membership also pushed Turkey away from "the west"-the US wanted the EU to do more.)

During the Obama administration the US had no realistic diplomacy, went after regime change in Syria, Libya. While the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan went on.

Trump may be able to act in a diplomatic way-the US politics has gone mad-with some "politicians" doing everything they can to destroy Trump-even if this would start a major conflict.

At the end it is Putin who (helped by the US chaos) is able to talk to all sides.

https://www.rt.com/news/471260-trump-secured-the-oil-syria/
DJ-Is Trump thinking of leaving some US forces "protecting oil fields" in East Syria ? How does Trump think this will work ? Those forces will soon be isolated by Syria,Iran/Iraq, Russia (SIR). They will not tolerate a new -again US made-IS in that area.

On october 22 Putin will meet Erdogan in Sochi. Most likely the outcome will be that Turkey hands over the border area under Turkish control to Russia and Syria (under some conditions).

https://southfront.org/syrian-war-report-october-18-2019-assad-troops-deploy-on-border-amid-120-hour-ceasefire/, https://syria.liveuamap.com/ Russia, Syria preparing for a major offensive against Idlib.

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DJ-A touch of realism https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/10/media-and-pundits-misread-the-everyone-wins-plan-for-syria.html;
The U.S. can not "allow Turkey to annex a portion of Syria". The U.S. does not own Syria. It is completely bollocks to think that it has the power to allow Turkey to annex parts of it.

Turkey will not "gain territory". There will be no Turkish "security corridor". The Kurdish civilians in Kobani, Ras al Ain and Qamishli areas will not go anywhere. The Turks will not touch those Kurdish majority areas because they are, or soon will be, under control of the Syrian government and its army.
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These moves have been planed all along. The Turkish invasion in northeast Syria was designed to give Trump a reason to withdraw U.S. troops. It was designed to push the Kurdish forces to finally submit to the Syrian government. Behind the scene Russia had already organized the replacement of the Kurdish forces with Syrian government troops. It has coordinated the Syrian army moves with the U.S. military. Turkey had agreed that Syrian government control would be sufficient to alleviate its concern about a Kurdish guerilla and a Kurdish proto-state at its border. Any further Turkish invasion of Syria is thereby unnecessary.

The plan has everyone winning. Turkey will be free of a Kurdish threat. Syria regains its territory. The U.S. can leave without further trouble. Russia and Iran gain standing. The Kurds get taken care of.

The 'ceasefire' and the retreat of the armed Kurdish groups from the border, which is claimed to have been negotiated yesterday between Pence and Erdogan, had already been decided on before the U.S. announced its withdrawal from Syria.
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I am confident for now that the blob will be held off by Trump and that the Win4 plan will succeed. Erdogan will soon travel to Russia to discuss the next steps towards peace in Syria. The talks will be about a common plan to liberated the Jihadi controlled governorate of Idleb. That step may require a summit between the Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and Erdogan which Russia and Iran will help to facilitate.

With the U.S. removed from the Syria file such steps towards peace will now be much easier.

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/us-turkey-agree-to-fragile-ceasefire-in-northern-syria/, https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/18-october-shelling-in-ras-alain-continues-despite-a-declaredpause.

https://southfront.org/satellite-images-turkey-setting-up-military-posts-in-captured-part-of-northeastern-syria/
DJ-Turkey will have to give up all occupied parts of Syria but wants something in return for that.

Talks between Turkey, Russia and Iran, Syria will make two things clear;
-The Turkish price for leaving Syria
-The US has lost any respect in the Middle East
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