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    Posted: October 13 2018 at 9:00am

Because I obviously Loathe Trump, I am probably perceived as anti-Republican. I am not. My loathing is Trump specific.

So, to quote Deep Thinker:
Originally posted by DeepThinker DeepThinker wrote:


Okay we need to do a quick check for intellectual honesty and consistency.   What do you think of Bill Clinton? Do you consider him a rapist? If not, why not?

I reply: "Yes, probably!" Nothing is proven, true, but there can't be any proof if the most powerful man in the land wants to whitewash over it.

And so on to Kavanaugh? Yes VERY probably! the same power-whitewash applies here. The only difference this time, is that the guy with the bucket of whitewash is a mysogenist who bullies his way through life. In my experience, this power without understanding/care is the universal recipe for making an abuser. Kavanaugh seems similar, if nowhere near as bad.

Finding out who did what in these situations is delicate, it requires detailed, painstaking, time-consuming research. The FBI have a wonderful record in such things. But some jobs need more than 5 days, even for God! - And no-one threatens to sack him if the results are unwanted.
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Originally posted by KiwiMum KiwiMum wrote:


I'm extremely lucky that no man has ever hit me, as I'm only small, but if they ever did I'd break their arm - which is something I could easily do. Not every woman is as lucky.


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I was talking to a female police officer recently and I asked her what were the main sorts of crimes she was being called out to in our area, and she said that generally, in all regions, there had been a big increase in domestic violence. I said I was surprised by this as it's quite an affluent area, and she said it's a rise that's directly linked to men losing power to women.

She said that the more rights and more equality women got, the more domestic violence there was because as men felt the ground slipping out from under them, they showed their masculinity and superiority off by beating the women in their lives. And she said that it was always worse if NZ lost a rugby match.

I'm extremely lucky that no man has ever hit me, as I'm only small, but if they ever did I'd break their arm - which is something I could easily do. Not every woman is as lucky.
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DeepThinker said:   "What do you think of Bill Clinton? Do you consider him a rapist? If not, why not?"

As in so many cases of powerful men, Juanita Broaddrick's charges were truly never investigated! In my opinion if the charges were proven true he should be sharing a cell with Bill Cosby!
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"i believe a Woman Every time"

Okay we need to do a quick check for intellectual honesty and consistency.   What do you think of Bill Clinton? Do you consider him a rapist? If not, why not?


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The Philippines is one of the only countries in the world where divorce is illegal, often trapping women in toxic marriages with no way out.

Key points:
Nearly 90 per cent of the Philippines' population identify as Catholic
No progress has been made since the divorce bill passed through the Lower House in March
The only method to legally leave a marriage is through an annulment many can't afford
According to a report published this year by the Philippine Statistic Authority, one in four married women in the Philippines have been assaulted by their partner or husband.

Patti Gallardo-Marcelo is one of those women.

"I was battered physically, emotionally, sexually and financially by my former partner for 24 years, starting at the age of 16," she told the ABC.

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PHOTO: Ms Gallardo-Marcello said she suffered domestic violence for 24 years before getting her marriage annulled. (Supplied: Patti Gallardo-Marcelo)
Ms Gallardo-Marcelo, who married her former husband at a young age, she said she unwittingly became a victim.

"While most girls were celebrating their introduction to society, I was already experiencing snippets of manipulation and control that I mistook for love," she said.

While the Philippines is one of two countries left in the world where divorce is illegal — the other being Vatican City — the country is making moves towards its legalisation.

A divorce bill was passed in the country's Lower House of Congress this March, despite opposition from President Rodrigo Duterte, who also had a failed marriage.

The bill would allow the court to dissolve marriages which are considered "irremediably broken" and for individuals to remarry a person of the opposite sex.

Nearly 90 per cent of the Philippines' population identify themselves as Catholic — and the bill has now become a struggle between the majority conservative ideals and the progressive wings of parliament.

'President Duterte is against divorce'
Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte
PHOTO: Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte opposed the divorce bill even though he had his marriage annulled.
(AP: Wong Maye-e)
Nearly seven months on, the bill has remained stagnant. But even if it passes in favour in the senate, Mr Duterte could still use his veto powers to cancel it.

"The President is against divorce," Mr Duterte's spokesperson said in a press conference after the move in March this year.

Women told to endure domestic violence in the name of God

Advocates say the Christian church in Australia is not just failing to sufficiently address domestic violence, but is enabling and concealing it.
Family and domestic violence support services:
1800 Respect national helpline: 1800 737 732
Women's Crisis Line: 1800 811 811
Men's Referral Service: 1300 766 491
Lifeline (24-hour crisis line): 131 114
Relationships Australia: 1300 364 277
Former house speaker Pantaleon Alvarez, one of the principal authors of the divorce bill, said the bill had made little progress due to strong lobbies against divorce by supporters of the Catholic Church.

"[The Catholic Church] should respect our position as a Government official because we have an obligation to the entire nation, irrespective of whatever religion they belong [to]," Mr Alvarez said.

"The majority and minority [in the Lower House] worked together, there was no opposition.

"They supported the bill. I don't understand why the Senate of the Philippines are so afraid to deliver it and pass the bill."

Spousal violence is the most common form of violence experienced by women aged between 15 and 49, the Philippine Statistic Authority figures show.

The findings were based on a preliminary result from the 2017 national demographic and health survey, which found 26 per cent of women in that age group have experienced physical, sexual, or emotional violence by their husband or partner.

"[By not recognising a right for] divorce, it is really hell for those who would like to move forward into new relationships," Ms Gallardo-Marcelo said.

Annulment is a luxury few can afford
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PHOTO: Nearly 90 per cent of the Philippines' population identify as Catholic. (Flickr: Jun's World)
For politicians like Mr Alvarez and Mr Duterte, leaving their marriages is more feasible than for most of the country's poorer and vulnerable residents.

The process is a luxury few can afford — taking up to 10 years in the overburdened court system and costing thousands of dollars.

The only method to legally end a marriage is through a civil procedure called an annulment, where the marriage is declared null and void from the beginning on the grounds of "psychological incapacity".

"For instance, when entering a marriage, one party is not prepared to enter married life, say they failed to perform their obligation as a husband or a wife … that can be considered as a psychological incapacitated spouse," Mr Alvarez said, adding that there were many ways to interpret the phrase.

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PHOTO: Former house speaker Pantaleon Alvarez helped pass the divorce bill in the Lower House of Congress. (Photo: Supplied)
Ms Gallardo-Marcelo said she escaped her marriage in 2002, but it took five years and 150,000 Philippine pesos ($3,888) — about 56 per cent of an average Filipino family's annual income — to file a criminal case against her ex-husband and nullify the marriage.

"Both cases left me drained emotionally and financially," Gallardo-Marcelo said, adding that she is no longer a victim.

In a country that criminalises adultery and concubinage, married women who have another relationship can be jailed up to six years while married men who are proven to be living with another woman can be jailed for up to four years.

Law 'biased' against domestic violence survivors
While the Philippines Government signed the Anti-violence against women and their children Act in 2004 — aimed at protecting women and children on a range of violence — many feel that it's not enough.

"It assumes that there is violence but that is not always the case, and there are still social effects on the children and couples," Mr Alvarez said.

A woman holding a microphone in front of a sign which reads: Join the campaign to end violence against women
PHOTO: Ms Gallardo-Marcelo said it's "heartbreaking" that many women are not able to afford an annulment and cannot move on with their lives after enduring domestic abuse. (Supplied: Patti Gallardo-Marcelo)
Ms Gallardo-Marcello said the archaic court system was one of the reasons why many women don't file abuse cases.

"Very few cases are successful [because] many women are intimidated by the process and uninformed about how the law can assist them," she said.

"I have moved forward and a lot of the women we have helped have moved forward as well.

"There are a lot of us who have stories to tell … some find it difficult to "make kwento", that is why I do what I do," she said.

"Make kwento" translates to "tell their story like it is".

Ms Gallardo-Marcello has since started a local NGO called SAVE Our Women, short for Stop the Abuse and Violence, in 2007.
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more Men Attack women,

more men Rape and Kill Women ,

more Men openly verbally abuse Women

i believe a Woman Every time

as Jacksdads said................

this HAS to STOP

some so called Men need to have a look at what it is to be a real Man







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Hopefully this will be my last comment on this issue:

Everyone else who was alleged to be there, under oath facing the penalty of perjury, have ether claimed no knowledge of the event or have outright said it never happened. Even Fords lifelong friend who was alleged to be present has said that Ford never knew Kavanough.

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I'm sorry, but I can't for the life of me understand why so many people seem to be going out of their way to discredit Kavanaugh's accusers while ignoring his easily verified misrepresentations and outright lies under oath. It says a lot about our society, and highlights the divide between the way people of different genders are treated and trusted. This has to change. It's the 21st century, people - despite the GOP's best efforts to turn back the clock.

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This is very personal for me....my stepdaughter was molested by an adult man when she was a mere 11, and my mentally ill stepson was drugged and raped when he was in his late teens.

Kavanaugh had bigger problems, including possible perjury and display of bias. Justice John Paul Stevens, a SCOTUS justice nominated by a Republican President, made these comments:

WASHINGTON — In an unusual rebuke from a former member of the Supreme Court, Justice John Paul Stevens said on Thursday that Judge Brett M. Kavanaugh was not qualified to sit on the court.

Justice Stevens said he came to the conclusion reluctantly, changing his mind about Judge Kavanaugh’s nomination after the second round of the judge’s confirmation hearings last week. Judge Kavanaugh’s statements at those hearings, Justice Stevens said, revealed prejudices that would make it impossible for him to do the court’s work, a point he said had been made by prominent commentators.

“They suggest that he has demonstrated a potential bias involving enough potential litigants before the court that he would not be able to perform his full responsibilities,” Justice Stevens said in remarks to retirees in Boca Raton, Fla. “And I think there is merit in that criticism and that the senators should really pay attention to it.”

“For the good of the court,” he said, “it’s not healthy to get a new justice that can only do a part-time job.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/04/us/politics/john-paul-stevens-brett-kavanaugh.html

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I am deeply offended! Mob justice?

I know there are false claims. But for every one of those there are many real attacks unreported, mine included.
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KiwiMum makes several very valid points. I want to add a couple.

Most victims of abuse have huge trouble speaking up. For some it takes years for others it is never told. For all there is an element of self blame, the vast majority of which is usually unwarranted. I know several men who have been abuse victims; I don't know many women who have experienced none at all, although most have been lucky enough for it to be fairly minor (but still horribly damaging!). For every single one, male or female, talking about it has been almost impossible.

I find myself aghast at some of the comments I have heard on the subject. There is a light-hearted, jokey attitude expressed in many quarters, as if this were unimportant. To the victims it is life-changing. It casts a dark shadow over the rest of their lives which nothing can remove.

"Assault with a friendly weapon!" was spoken by one American policeman in a rape case several decades ago. If you can't see the horror of that or how it would put women off reporting abuse, I'm not sure you are fully human.

Not all abusers are male and not all victims are female. In the cases of those who are, there is the added terror of being overwhelmed. Listening to Christine Blaisey-Ford tell her story I was very moved by her description of this. Being gagged with a hand whilst being held down is a terrifying image for most women. We already know in a straight fight we will lose. That so many men can't see this is a great sadness to me. Well, me too! I am not beautiful (except to Hubby) but I have more than one abuse tale in my personal past, from more than one person, ranging in severity. The last would have been full rape, had I not been taking martial art training. I even felt guilt after that, as I hurt my attacker - a textbook no-win situation! Power and pressure are the defining point of each case. (Yes, you can ask, but don't expect any answers.) 'And yes, that makes it even harder for men to report as well. What man wants to admit to losing a battle?

It appears that the FBI investigation was given only one week to run and that they were not granted permission from the White House to interview either accuser or accusee. That also does not strike me as treating this with the gravitas it deserves. That is not an investigation. That is a whitewash! At least we now know the real reason Comey was fired. He was a loyal Republican, but he had too much integrity to be controlled!

Like our Chuck, I had no doubt that Kavanaugh would be voted in. But this just confirms my belief that the whole system is corrupt and the Guy voted in to clean it up is the biggest swamp-dweller of the lot. Of course Trump backed Kavanaugh for the post! In Trump's eyes the only woman in the whole world who matters at all is his daughter. Good God America! Even Pakistan does better at striving for justice than that!

Unlike Chuck, I don't have unlimited faith in the system. I used to. But systems have to be cared for by the people they protect and half of America seems to me to have gone mad! I hope I am proven wrong.

Civilization is not simply won, it is a spectrum we move through. America, you can't rest on your laurels. You have to fight for each inch towards a better society. You are currently going the wrong way.
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Awesome - two of the best posts I've seen on AFT, and in the same thread. I love reading the stuff you both write.


Originally posted by KiwiMum KiwiMum wrote:

I think it's completely plausible that a woman has kept an assault secret and never told anyone. That's what the #metoo movement is all about. In the past many women weren't believed, and, to add insult to injury, were ridiculed in the process and made to think it was their own fault.

What makes me find this witness more than credible is that she is an educated, successful woman who has never sort the limelight in her life. Why on earth would anyone come out with false allegations and open themselves up to death threats and public humiliation.

The point that must be borne in mind about this is that, at high school, Brett Kavenaugh, along with his friend or friends, thought that harrassing and groping women was fine - a laugh even, something that they could do and get away with, and it is this contempt for women's feelings and the law that must be a fundamental part of his character, and therefore he can't hold a position in law if he doesn't, deep down, respect and uphold every part of the law.

And before you say that all men do things in high school they wouldn't do now and it was just high jinks and back then these things were ok, everyone did them. You're wrong. I know men who were like that, but also many more who weren't - who've grown up into solid, reliable, trustworthy men and who have nothing in their background that they are ashamed of or would want to keep secret.

It's not one woman who has called Kavenaugh out, it's 3. And I bet there are more who haven't come forward. I'm sure he regrets his behaviour now, I'm sure he looks at his own daughters and thought how he'd hate anyone to assault them. I'm sure he was a jerk at high school, but just because it was 40 years ago, it doesn't make it alright.



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The American system is unique due to its checks & balances....OK, so Kavanaugh will be affirmed to the US Supreme Court, it was pretty much baked in, even though past Justices (John Paul Stevens), law professors and others objected.

Let's see what Old Glory is made of! We have mid-term elections coming up - if the liberal Democratic party is so motivated, they will retake the House of Representatives (and perhaps even the higher Senate), in which case, they can engage in all sorts of investigations of this guy.

I believe he committed perjury on far more than these high-school charges, and a Dem controlled House could put this all on the table, forcing impeachment. If the evidence is strong enough, the Republicans in the Senate might have to go along with it, or face the wrath of the voting public.

Or not. Hang tight, the fate of the entire planet depends upon what happens in the next few months!




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Originally posted by DeepThinker DeepThinker wrote:

      What I meant to say is that I don't buy Miss Fords story if she doesn't have a way to back it up.


What possible evidence could a 15 year old expect to have 40 years ago? She wouldn't have had a cell phone, or an online diary.

To me, as a non American, and therefore without a vested interest in the Supreme court of the US, and therefore more impartial, I think two things:

1. There's no smoke without fire, and

2. People often do things to benefit themselves in some way or other, particularly dishonest things, and I can't think of a single way making this allegation has benefited or will benefit Christine Blasey Ford. On the contrary, she has made herself the target for a whole heap of ugly to come her way. So why on earth would she make it up?
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I am very sorry I wasn't very clear in an earlier post.   Yes I know many people never go to the authorities.   However even in the cases of people abused by clergy... when they do come forward they have some form of evidence. What I meant to say is that I don't buy Miss Fords story if she doesn't have a way to back it up.

I am sorry but for those of you talking about 3 accusers I have serious doubts if you even have any idea bout the facts of this case. The gang rape allegation is obviously a lie and if you can't see that I don[t know what to say. The other one was some where between very severe harassment and a very minor assault. In the initial allegation she wasn't even sure it was Kavanaugh.

Sexual predators don't just stop.   All three of these allegations where from him high school and college days. There is no evidence of this behavior after college.
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I am the mother of sons, and as a parent, I consider myself to be a custodian of civilisation. I have recently had a conversation with my eldest who is 14 about what consent is in a sexual context.

I told him that it wasn't enough for a girl to say ok, or yes, but told him he must look for "enthusiastic consent". The girl must want to do it as much as he does and should be just as keen. Anything less is unacceptable. Peer pressure and the expectations of society are forcing young girls to do things that they shouldn't even know about let alone perform or take part in.

Is it any wonder that over 40% of sexually active young women don't enjoy what they do, don't want to do it and feel pressured into sexual activity that they or their boyfriends have seen in porn films?

I also told my son that consent under the influence of drugs or alcohol wasn't consent at all at his age, and that at any time, a girl has the right to stop proceedings.

I don't have any fears for my sons as they are decent, kind, empathetic young men, and I hope we're parenting them correctly and they have a good strong moral code running through their core being.
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it took 30 years for these Brave Men to come forward about their abuse.....

so that blows your argument out of the water.....

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A sexual abuse scandal involving the abuse of young players at football clubs in the United Kingdom began in mid-November 2016. The revelations began when former professional footballers waived their rights to anonymity and talked publicly about being abused by former coaches and scouts in the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s. This led to a surge of further allegations, as well as allegations that some clubs had covered them up.

Echoing similar revelations in the 1990s, the initial 2016 allegations centred on abuse of young players at Crewe Alexandra and Manchester City due to the clubs' associations with Barry Bennell (previously convicted of sexual abuse offences in the UK and US) who, on 29 November 2016, was charged with new offences. Allegations were also made against George Ormond, a former youth coach and scout for Newcastle United (who also had previous convictions), former Chelsea scout Eddie Heath, and former Southampton and Peterborough coach Bob Higgins. In early December 2016, allegations about former youth coaches and scouts in Northern Ireland and Scotland also started to emerge.

Within a month of the initial reporting, the Football Association, the Scottish Football Association, several football clubs and over 20 UK police forces had established various inquiries and investigations and over 350 alleged victims had come forward. By July 2018, 300 suspects were reported to have been identified by 849 alleged victims, with 2,807 incidents involving 340 different clubs. These have led to 13 individuals being charged with historical sexual abuse, of which seven have been tried: six - Bennell, Ormond, William Toner, Michael Coleman, Jim McCafferty and Robert Smith - have been convicted and jailed; Higgins has been found guilty of one charge and faces a retrial on 48 further charges. James Torbett is on trial, while four more are awaiting trial, and one has since died. Other allegations involve individuals who had died prior to the revelations.

In July 2018, the FA's independent inquiry was said to have found no evidence of an institutional cover-up or of a paedophile ring operating within football, but its intended publication in September 2018 was delayed, potentially by up to a year, pending the retrial of Higgins and possible further charges against Bennell.
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