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    Posted: March 21 2006 at 5:00pm
I've been messing around for days with chafing pot fuel and a variety of stoves and pots and pans.
 
The best stove, is a cheap folding one I got at the army store. Campmor sells them for about $6.00 I think and Beprepared for about $8.00.
 
Definately works for heating canned food. Cooking and boiling is a bit more difficult. It takes 45 minutes to an hour to get 2 1/2 cups cool room temperature water to a full rolling boil.
 
For cooking, you are limited to pretty much this type of cooking, but at least it's something. Instead of plastic bags in a cozy, I'm using a thermos.
 
I successfully made tabouli today with sun dried tomatoes that is REALLY good, that I got out of a backpacking cookbook. I also made a potato soup using the idea from the above site of 1/2 cup each dry milk and instant potatoes, to 2 cups boiling water. I flavored mine with dehydrated chives and pasley, salt, pepper, and parmesan cheese. Yummy. Puppy liked both. So you CAN cook with this stove, but...
 
I think I'm going to buy a single burner gas camping stove and take my chances running it in the house just long enough to get water or water and soup ingredients, or grains hot enough to cook in a thermos. I figure running a hotter flame for a shorter time will actually produce less carbon monoxide in the long run.
 
I cannot afford to stock up on the kinds of canned goods many of you can afford, and I cannot depend on cooking outside. I've got to figure out how to make this thermos thing work well enough to cook basic bulk foods.
 
Does anyone know of any research on running the unvented stoves inside just long enough to boil 4 cups of water with about 1 cup of grains and beans and dehydrated veggies, rather than running 2 burners long enough to cook a traditional meal?
 
If needbe I could reheat large beans every two hours, just long enough to get them boiling again. When tried on my electric stove it only takes about two minutes and then they go right back in the thermos. One or two reheats gets large beans nice and mushy.
 
I'd LOVE to hear about anyone elses research and expirements with stoves and thermoses.
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Our grill has a burner on it, so I'm counting on that for the boiling.

I've been looking at bunsen (sp?) burners and old fashion cooking pits.  I think, since my property is wooded, the pits will be the answer for most meals.  I've gotten several grills thingies... the wire cover that goes over coals on grills that you cook on.  You just dig a shallow small diameter pit, start a fire and burn it down until it's mostly embers, place the grill thingy over the top, and you're good to go.

I also have some catering equipment so if I just have to warm something up, I can use those with the canned burners under them.

I have a lot more research to do, but I'm working with the assumption that there'll be limited fresh meat to work with so it'll come down to boiling water and warming up canned stuff.


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Try using that small burner with a prassure cooker.  It will superheat faster and then if you wrap the pressure cooker in things like blankets it will work like a thermos for things like dried beans.
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Kat, I honestly wouldn't worry to much about using a propane stove in your house to just heat up water to cook with. You won't be burning it for long enough periods to build up a toxic amount of CO2. I camp/hunt ALOT and I cook on my single burner stove in my tent all the time, plus have a single mantle lantern going at night and I'm still alive. The only way I might see this being a problem is if you tape your windows shut, block the air flow from under your doors, etc... As long as there is air coming into and leaving your house you'll be fine. Just DO NOT fall asleep with it on, that is asking for trouble. Dennis 
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Thanks Ironstone about the advise about a pressure cooker.... I'm going to have to practice with that since I"ve never used one before.  I've stocked up mainly on canned beans that should last several months, but have dried beans for after that if the situation requires it (which I hope it won't).  Maybe I'll get a pressure cooker and try that this weekend to see how it works..... practice makes perfect and all that!
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Thanks everyone for the advice!

I'm trying to put away some supplies, but I think KNOWLEGDE especially the ability to cook and handwash clothes EFFICIENTLY will be worth more in an emergency than actual supplies.

I guess I'm off to the library to get a book out on pressure cooking :-) I've been thinking of getting one, but have to move so slowly on purchasing items as I just have to try really hard not to waste money.

The pressure gets the food hotter than boiling right?? So if you get the food up to pressure, it's hotter than regular stove top food, so if you then get it into a cozy, it will cook longer than a regular pot? Hmm...that s an interesting thought! Is there info on COMBINING pressure cooking and thermal cooking?????
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KatDoe -  I spotted a small pressure cooker at Walmart for $17 last week.  Sounds like a very affordable investment.
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Originally posted by KatDoe67 KatDoe67 wrote:

Definately works for heating canned food. Cooking and boiling is a bit more difficult. It takes 45 minutes to an hour to get 2 1/2 cups cool room temperature water to a full rolling boil.
 
45 minutes to boil 2.5 cups of water.  Now calculate how much fuel you burned in that 45 minutes, then do the same with propane or butane.  I guarantee that the cost of sterno fuel to boil 2.5 cups of water costs a LOT more than the propane to boil 2.5 cups of water. 
 
If you're worried about carbon monoxide, get a carbon monoxide detector.  They're so valuable that many jurisdictions REQUIRE their use in homes that have gas service.  They go off at concentrations so slight that if you open a window when it goes off and stop the source, you have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to worry about.
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Yes, I agree 45 minutes of burning chafing fuel to boil 2.5 cups water is NOT a good investment of money! The containors say 5 hours for $1.00, but I don't think I got that much burn time.

Jetboil is another option, I'm looking at. Also Coleman has a new slowcooker. Whaever I do, it needs to take advantage of thermal. I have to drive by the library today, so will pick up the pressure cooking book I saw there last week, and should have gotten. I was too loaded down on grain and bean books though, and thought the chafing fuel would get water hot enough to pour in the thermos, a LOT quicker.

Can you cook ANY type of bread in a pressure cooker?
 
I'm NOT a picky eater and will eat almost ANYTHING other than certain meats. I get grossed out by meat quickly, but will eat small amounts of it. I do crave bread with my bean and grain soups! Gotta figure out how to make SOME type of bread in a kitchen without venting. Weird me, but I like storage food :-0 Going hungry as a kid  will do that to you I guess :-0
 
Yeah, I can cook all sorts of stuff outside, and will play this summer, but want something for inside. It's cold and nasty here much of the year.
 
I got a little money for my birthday so have some to play with. I just don't want to make any more mistakes. I need to make this cash WORK, as I might not have anymore for awhile.
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Kat, I've been experimenting with the thermos too.  I can effectively cook pastas, rice, wheat, but not beans yet.  I can get them soft enough to be edible, but not really GOOD.  I haven't tried cracking them with a hammer.
 
For using the stove in the house, get a carbon monoxide detector and keep it near the stove.  My husband has camped in those big outfitters tents and they keep a stove running, but use the detector to make sure the guys are all safe. 
 
For bread, have you ever used a dutch oven?   These start at about $30 and you use with charcoal--definitely an outside experience, but you can do it on the concrete outside your door.  This could replace your oven if power was out.  I'm sure you know this but for the benefit of others, for bread, if you can't get it oven cooked, you can fry the dough in either a pan, or in oil.    And actually I saw a post on "dough balls" once a long time ago, but bread dough is really good.  I have to keep my kids out of it long enough to get it cooked. 
 
I have a couple of other ideas on the beans.  Will let you know if I can get anything to work.
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I've looked high and low in my Walmart for one. Any particular isle?? That size pressure cooker would be perfect for us. Can you give me the UPC code and I'll see if the store has it in inventory somewhere. TIA
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Here are two sites that should answer some of your questions and has some bred making directions.
 
 
 
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I'm thinking of getting a CO2 detector.  It can't hurt, especially if TSHTF and we're all using propane-type stoves in the house.
 
As long as we still have electricity, I plan on using the regular stove or microwave. 
 
I was thinking of taking time to build a solar oven though.  Might be a fun experiment.
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Regarding bread:  I think I'll be making mostly tortillas and biscuits.  Has anyone tried the canned B & M brown bread?  I'm wondering if it's worth the money for the occasional treat?
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Okay, I'll say it again, why the mental block against homemade bread??  I make both homemade tortillas and homemade  bread.  Bread is as easy to mix and quicker to make.
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I think, with homemade bread, for me anyway, it's a matter of inexperience.  I guess rather than poopooing it, I should just try it. 

If the power or gas goes out, and I'm cooking outside on a grill or fire pit, would I just make flatter loaves to make sure the center cooks all the way?
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I've posted a totally idiot-proof bread recipe here on other threads.  The ONLY problem I've ever had with it is when I forget it's rising and I let it rise so much it falls in the middle.  But even then my kids love it.  You do need to knead this for about 8 minutes.  (But if you've ever made tortillas, the rolling out process is very time consuming--they need to be pretty thin to be good.) I use my Kitchenaid for kneading, but if you don't have one, it's just working the dough.  Do it when you're pissed at somebody--very theraputic. 

If no power, just cook the dough on a griddle like fry bread or in grease like scones or navajo tacos. 
 
I want you to commit to try it and then let me know how it goes.  Wink 
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Alllllllllrightttttttt.... I'll try it this weekend.  If you don't see any posts from me after Saturday it's because an out of control big glob of yeasty beast consumed me before I could knead it......
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I know how to make a variety of breads. I just don't know how to make bread in a closed up kitchen without making too much CO2, or having to buy yet another prep item. I need to buy a CO2 detector :-( My kitchen is so drafty I could probably cook with ANYTHING i want at full blast all day :-0

It's just that hubby says he knows the flu is coming, but we'll stay home and be fine with what we have. Yeah, right :-( No need to prep or make any plans. Everything will just work itself out :-0 And after Bill Reilly said everything hubby has been saying...well now...nothing needs to be done.

So I'm trying to prep for myself, the puppy and my 17 year old son, spending JUST my usual grocery and household budget :-( I've done a DAMN good job so far. Hubby can eat whatever I've put away for the rest of us, but I've stopped factoring him in my plans. He's a big boy and can prep for himself.

Stocking food he hates is a plus right now :-) I'm barely 100 pounds, son takes after me, and puppy is a toy breed. We don't eat much. Hubby is a BIG boy. He eats twice what the 3 of us eat combined.
 
So me, puppy and 17 year old like soup, but we also really like bread. I'd rather spend a little money on getting together a safe way to cook indoors, than spend a lot of money on special foods. It'll be cheaper in the long run to keep rotating basic foods.
 
If and when TSHTF hubby will probably be a great asset, definately in security since everyone is terrified of him but us...but I figure that if I totally depend on him, I'm going to be MUCH more uncomfortable than I need to...for NO good reason.
 
I need kitchen soup, bread and chocolate cake :-) Then I can just ignore hubby and society for weeks while HE figures out how he wants to adjust. JUst stay in my kitchen and cook food he hates and play soliaire and play with my puppy :-)
 
So I have this birthday money and need to use it WISELY. I was looking at grinders to crack beans, but I think I want to get something GOOD to cook with.
 
Don't try hammering on the cutting board. The beans dent it. You need a hard surface as well as a hard hammer. THe beans fly everywhere. Puppy enjoyed the episode, but I didn't :-0 Hubby decided I'm DEFINATELY losing my mind. 17 year old has known I've ALWAYS been crazy.
 
All I have to cook with right now is chafing fuel. I don't even have a camp stove. Hubby has an empty gas grill and an outdoor fireplace, but that is going to take HUBBY to straighten out. I can't arrange a wood delivery of start storing large flamable tanks without his help and some money.
 
So if I store fuel it needs to be used EFFICIENTLY, because I can't store much without talking to him about where to store it.
 
Just got back from the library. I have books on pressure cookers and steamers. I'm doing some research on Jet Boil and BakePacker. I gotta buy something, but am afraid to make another mistake :-(
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Ironstone,Thanks for the pressure cooker link!

SLCmom, did you try bringing the beans back up to a boil and putting them back in the thermos for a second cook?
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