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    Posted: January 29 2006 at 4:27pm

Important information about water.

Storing

Disinfecting

Collecting & Conserving

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I store my water in washed out 2 litre pop bottles..few drops of regular house bleach...

Also when and if power goes out..fill all of your pots,sink,tubs and any containers you have with water..to use for washing..you can also use the water in your hot water tank(I have read lately it would be ok to dring)

 

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Locate shut off valve to your main waterpipe in  your house. Make sure you have a wrench to turn it off if need be. If your city water system is down remember do not drink the water for 72 hours.
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Originally posted by corky52:

My view is that the likely length of this  event is sooner or later going to force most of us to hunt water, lots of water!  The little survival filters aren't going to hack it for very long or be a very comfortable volume.  Do you have a way to move volumes of water easily, it's heavy and bulky to move, and you'll need lots of it.  Can you clean the water and then kill all the bad stuff you can't see?

Fact: Water weighs 8 plus pounds per gallon!  5 gallons of water weighs 40 pounds, remember the pictures of the people with shoulder poles that had small buckets of water at each end, brutal!!

Fact: There are all kinds of crap that end up in free water, most of them nasty and hard to deal with. 

Fact: Viruses are extremely hard to kill in water and we'll be dealing with a virus based threat plus all the normal things.

We need to look beyond storage to purification if this event is as real as we believe.  Simple stuff will make effective purification but you have to have it on hand ahead of time.  You need to look for water sources you'll be able to access and at how you'll move the water to your places. 

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Originally posted by bruss01:

I am hoping for a fairly brief crisis, 2-6 months.  Currently we have some store-bought water in jugs for immediate use. We have over 100 gallons of water available in bulk storage. In a long-term emergency, myself and my wife would have to rely on water from our local river (which in time of crisis may be polluted  with untreated sewage or runoff) . So I share your concern about how to purify water on a long term basis.

I'd like to invite you to investigate the First Need water filter that is capable of removing darn near everything you'd find objectionable in water intended for drinking.  You can get replacement cartriges for the unit.  Many friends and I have used these on backpacking trips, the water has always been crystal clear.  One caution -  you need to protect the unit from freezing since the ceramic element can crack if frozen. 

For our bulk storage and for treating any questionable water obtained from an impure source, we plan to use swimming pool shock (calcium hypochlorite) to treat water.  We plan to have 4 barrels of 55 gallon capacity to store "city water", and we will be adding a minimal amount of shock just to give a base level of protection during storage, since the barrels will be sealed and the water changed out for fresh every 6 months.  We will have extra shock on hand for treating non-city water if needed.  We think this is better than bleach because calcium hypochlorite will store in dry form nearly indefinitely (10 years), whereas liquid chlorine bleach loses half of it's potency after a year (use twice as much for the same effect) and is next to worthless after two years.

For those who remember Y2K, here's a flashback for you:

"Dry chlorine, also called calcium hypochlorite has the added benefit of extended shelf life. Providing it is kept dry, cool and in an airtight container, it may be stored up to 10 years with minimal degradation. If you want to keep chlorine in larger quantities, this is the item to store (according to Bingo1). It must be ONLY 65% calcium hypochlorite, no addtional anti-fungals or clarifiers. In an EXTREMELY well ventilated area, (Hint: OUTSIDE!) add and dissolve one heaping teaspoon of high-test granular calcium hypochlorite (approximately 1/4 ounce) for each two gallons of water. Five pounds of dry pool bleach costs about $10-15, which will make about 92 gallons of bleach, which will sterilize 706,560 gallons of clear water, or 353,280 gallons of cloudy water. "


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Quick easy way to get alot of water without hassle

I orignally posted this elsewhere

You can get large plastic tanks online that holds a little up to several hundred gallons and dont really take too much room up.  There is a spigot on the front of them that makes getting the water easy. 

Something like this:

http://www.watertanks.com/category/153/

 

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www.gotwater2.com (sorry, can't get link button to work) has water bladders of 30 gal., 60 gal., and on up.  They're a bit more expensive than water barrels ($79 for 60 gal), but they fold up and store easily when not in use, and they cost very little to ship ($23.80 to ship four to my house).
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save it now.......gallon jugs from milk,juice,pop jugs..............because your goin 2 have water 2 cook............
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http://www.nitro-pak.com/index.php?cPath=40

Water barrels.  The cost is a few hundred dollars out of pocket, but you can store ALOT of water.  Use it when you have to, top off in between episodes of power outs.


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New to the site. I hope to add what little knowledge I have.

http://www.nitro-pak.com/index.php?cPath=40
The Miox water purifier.
I purchased this unit. It is small, requires no cartridges etc. just a couple batteries. I also like this unit because it is so easy to carry in a bug out bag.
Claims to kill viruses-which is what we want in addition to other micro-bugs. Marines are using this in Iraq with no problems.

Primary concern of public water is not that it will run out, I think it will be the lack of capacity of your local municapality to treat the water. For example, where I live, they still use chlorine to kill viruses etc. at the treatment plant. You may live in an area where they utilize UV to kill virus in drinking water. With a "just in time" global economy, my municapality probably has a weeks worth of chlorine on hand. After that, we will be required to boil the water which will kill the virus (power or not, there will be no chlorine in the supply chain)  UV equipped facilities (water plants) will not have a chlorine problem as they use UV to kill virus. Of course if the power is out or speratic, UV does not work. The pumps will not work any way. I would not chance it.....Anything that comes from an outside pipe is going to get treated with clorox, miox etc.

We all hope to have enough stored water, but in worse case scenario no water in the pipe, no lake or river, you can always extract water from the air utilzing plastic, stone and some twine. Solar Kiln, or something like that.




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Sorry, not Solar Kiln. What I should have said was Solar Still. Just Google "Solar Still" Desert USA is a good site for directions.


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that dry chlorine idea has been the best one I have heard in a long time. Would it be for sale at most pool supply places?
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Yup - just be sure you get plain old calcium hypochlorite with no additives for algae or ph or stabilizer. Cost about 5 bucks per pound here.
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The calcium hypochlorite is that sort of like shock for the pool? Or is it something similar? We have a pool, which as long as the electricity is on and can be filtered, I suppose it would be fairly safe to drink? Or would I still want to add this or bleach to the water for drinking? After a couple of days without being filtered (no electricity) I imagine the pool water would start getting yucky. At what point would it not be useable for drinking or cooking? This is my first post here and I have been reading for a couple of days now, just taking all the info in.
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i have been doing laundry and noticed the number of plastic storage tubs that i have holding christmas decorations and family pictures.  I think that i will transfer some of those items into cardboard boxes for a while and wash these out to store water for cleaning and washing.  that should hold a nice amount  i will just have to be sure i have them where i want to store them before i fill them up.   (weight issues)
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Penham, yup that is exactly what it is.  You're right, pool water can start to go downhill in a few days without filtration, but if you have bleach or calcium hypochlorite to add, it will be ok.  You will probably want to filter it also, so you might consider either a camping/backpacking hand pump filter, or something larger (big berkey has been mentioned).  As long as it's treated/filtered, the water in the pool will be useable.
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This may be a stupid question, but I have never heard of anyone talk about whether or not it is possible for H5N1 to infect the water supply.  Is this possible?  Is it possible for the virus to be transported through our water supply, thereby making it unsafe to drink tapwater?  Just curious.
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Originally posted by RotroShaggy RotroShaggy wrote:

This may be a stupid question, but I have never heard of anyone talk about whether or not it is possible for H5N1 to infect the water supply.  Is this possible?  Is it possible for the virus to be transported through our water supply, thereby making it unsafe to drink tapwater?  Just curious.

The H5N1 flu virus can survive at cool temperatures in contaminated manure for about three months. One gram of matter has enough virus to infect 1 million birds and the virus can survive in water for upto 4 days at 22oC and for >30 days at 0 deg C (32 degrees F), if not longer.

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Thanks, KillerFlu.net.  So, maybe another stupid question, but boiling water would kill the virius?  For how long?  What about a hot shower?  Are we potentially showering ourselves with the virus?  Would the heat of the shower water kill the virus?  These seem like stupid questions, but I've never really thought about it before.  It would be a shame to be all set up to survive and then realize you infected yourself in the bathtub with contaminated city water when you were trying to wash away the virus you were actually bathing in it . . . .
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