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    Posted: June 23 2006 at 5:21pm
What's the best way to get rid of garbage if you can't go out of your apparment?
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I would probably put it in my sink or bathtub.....if it was next to a window and burn it in small amounts.  At night when no one could see the smoke.
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I have started to get rid of as much trash as possible now. I have repackaged alot of my preps into ziplock bags getting rid of boxes (pasta , Rice mixes )I cut the directions off and put them into snack size ziplocks and put them into the bags . Hope this helps.
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LOTS of garbage bags, with strong ties, and a place to store the stuff for 3 months+.
 
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Penham Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2006 at 8:32pm
Rhonda, what a great idea about the packaging. I live in a house, pregnant/w#1, so this probably wouldn't work for you, I plan on using a metal trash can to burn paper garbage. There should very little/no food garbage, will feed to animals if there is any. I was thinking about starting bins for recycling tin cans and aluminum (don't do that now) but then saving until it's safe to take to the recycling center afterwards. Have been considering starting a compost pile.
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Rotting garbage could be a health hazard and could attract rodents, insects etc.
 
If you have a blender, you could try using it to liquify your leftover food scraps and then flush the liquid down the toilet.
 
When you are about to go into isolation, cast your eye around the apartment for stuff that could become potential garbage such as newspapers, excessive food packaging, etc. and get rid of what you can then. Cancel your newspaper subscription if have one.
 
Have some alternatives to paper towels such as reusable sponges and cloth products. Consider buying some cloth napkins if you use paper napkins now. Reusable cloth handkerchiefs would also cut down on the amount of your paper garbage.
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I agree with Rhonda, get rid of as much of it as possible now. It's amazing how much space you save which is critical and allows you to prep more.
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I think I am more likely to crush the cans and burn the rest in my yard. I have a trash can I use as a fire bucket. Maybe bury what is left.

I was wondering about sewage, without running water keeping it clear, I can see it blocking up. We might have to dump our bad water in the same hole we dump our toilet waste.

If I lived in a apartment, the first part of my prepping would be to leave the apartment. Stay with Parents or the inlaws, someone that has a house. I hate to say it, and I feel for them, but I don't see how they can do it in a apartment.

A storm is coming !
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I live in a house so I compost food waste and recycle now. In Toronto its expected . BY doing that I have only one bag of garbage every two weeks. Some people compete to see who can have the least garbage.

I will put my dry food in zipper bags to reduce future gargage.   I will us rainwater to rince the cans and crush the cans.

Apartment living will be challenging as the garbage build up will be unbearable. It time to consider alternate housing combing families and renting a house.    

    
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In an emergency, I would recomend attempting to eat all the food in a container.  If you are using canned food get it all out.  You may need a few ounces of water to rinse out the can.  This will prevent it from attracting roaches, mice etc.  Paper plates cups etc should not have extra food on them when thrown away.  I will keep them in a metal pail with lid until I can safely burn them either in the fireplace or outside.
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Sanitation and Hygiene In An Emergency

The lack of sanitation facilities following major disaster can quickly create secondary problems unless basic guidelines are followed.

If the water lines are damaged or if damage is suspected, do not flush the toilet. Avoid digging holes in the ground and using these. Untreated raw sewage can pollute fresh ground water supplies. It also attracts flies and promotes the spread of diseases.
 

  • Store a large supply of heavy-duty plastic bags, twist ties, disinfectant, and toilet paper
     
  • A good disinfectant that is easy to use is a solution of 1 part liquid bleach to 10 parts water. Dry bleach is caustic and not safe for this type of use.
     
  • If the toilet is NOT able to be flushed, it can still be used. This is less stressful for most people than using some other container. Remove all the bowl water. Line it with a heavy-duty plastic bag. When finished, add a small amount of deodorant or disinfectant, securely tie the bag, and dispose of it in a large trash can with a tight fitting lid. This large trash can should also be lined with a sturdy trash bag. Eventually, the city will provide a means to dispose of these bags.
     
  • Portable camp toilets, small trash cans or sturdy buckets lined with heavy-duty plastic bags can also be used. Those with tight fitting lids are best.
     

Tips for Staying Clean in an Emergency Situation

As much as possible, continue regular hygiene habits such as brushing your teeth, washing your face, combing your hair and even washing your body with a wet washcloth. This will help prevent the spread of disease and irritation as well as help relieve stress.

  • Keep your fingers out of your mouth. Avoid handling food with your hands.
     
  • Purify your drinking water. Use chlorine bleach, purification tablets (check bottle for expiration dates), or by boiling for 10 minutes.
     
  • Sterilize your eating utensils by heat. You can also rinse dishes in purified water that has additional chlorine bleach added to it. (Use 2 1/2 teaspoons bleach per gallon of purified water.)
     
  • Keep your clothing as clean and dry as possible, especially under-clothing and socks.


If, during an emergency situation, you develop vomiting or diarrhea, rest and stop eating solid foods until the symptoms ease up. Take fluids, particularly water, in small amounts at frequent intervals. As soon as can be tolerated, resume eating semi-solid foods. Normal salt intake should be maintained.

Keep Basic Hygiene Supplies Handy

These basic supplies should be kept in your Safe Room, Go Pack and Car.

  • Cornstarch
     
  • Fingernail clippers and files
     
  • Sanitary napkins
     
  • Insect repellent
     
  • Toilet paper
     
  • Moistened Towelettes or Baby Wipes
     
  • A few bath towels
     
  • Small hand-held mirror
     
  • Liquid all-purpose soap
     
  • Vaseline Petroleum Jelly
     
  • Liquid Chlorine Bleach
     
  • Ammonia (disinfecting aid)

Emergency Sewage Disposal

Water flush toilets cannot be used when water service is interrupted. The water remaining in the fixture is not sufficient to flush the wastes down the sewer. Clogging may result and your living conditions then become just that much more uncomfortable.

Even if water is available, local authorities may ask you not to use flush toilets, wash basins, and other fixtures connected with soil pipes. The sewer mains may be broken or clogged, which would make it impossible to carry off such waste; or water may be needed for fire fighting or other emergencies. It is necessary for every family to know emergency methods of waste disposal in case such conditions arise.

Failure to properly dispose of human wastes can lead to epidemics of such diseases as typhoid, dysentery, and diarrhea. At the same time, sewage must be disposed of in ways that will prevent contamination of water supplies used for drinking, cooking, bathing, laundering, and other domestic purposes. Here are simple steps that any family can take to prevent such dangers and discomforts.

Temporary Toilet Provisions
Right after an emergency, or during one, you will probably not have the time and tools to prepare a complex emergency sanitation system. If there is a delay of several days in restoring sewage service to your neighborhood, you may find that disposal is a big problem. Your first task is to make some temporary toilet provision for your family, especially the children. Almost any covered metal or plastic container will do. You can use a covered pail, a 5-gallon bucket, or a small kitchen garbage container with a foot operated cover for an emergency toilet. Anything that has a cover and will hold the contents until you can dispose of them will serve for sanitary purposes at first.

Emergency Sewage Storage
Keep on the premises at least one extra 10-gallon garbage can or other waterproof container with a tight fitting cover. This should be lined with paper and/or a plastic bag. And the lid should be fastened to the can to prevent its loss. Such a can may be used for the emergency storage of body wastes until the public sewage system can be put back into action, or until other arrangements can be made. Empty your emergency toilet into this storage can as often as necessary. A small amount of household disinfectant should be added after each use. If you live in an apartment, you may not have a large garbage can or room to keep one. In that case, two smaller covered pails or other containers will do just as well.

Solutions for Apartment Dwellers
Persons in city apartments, office buildings, or homes without yards should keep a supply of waterproof paper containers on hand for emergency waste disposal. Where flush toilets cannot be used and open ground is not available for the construction of privies, such disposable containers offer a practical method of emergency waste collection and disposal. Building managers should plan for the collection of such containers and for their final disposal. Before collection, the used containers may be stored in tightly covered garbage cans or other water tight containers fitted with lids. Homemade soil bags for this purpose can be prepared very easily by putting one large grocery bag inside another, and a layer of shredded newspaper or other absorbent material between. You should have sufficient grocery bags on hand for possible emergencies. A supply of old newspapers will come in handy for other sanitary uses also, such as wrapping garbage and lining larger containers.

Controlling Odors and Insects
Insecticides and deodorants should be used when necessary to control odors and insects breeding in containers that cannot be emptied immediately. At least 2 pints of household bleach solution should be kept on hand for disinfecting purposes.

Other Supplies
Keep on hand an extra supply of toilet tissue, plus a supply of sanitary napkins. If there is illness in the house that requires rubber sheeting or other special sanitary equipment, make sure that adequate supplies are available. At least a week’s accumulation of daily newspapers will come in handy for insulating bedding from floors, and lining clothes against cold, as well as for the sanitary uses already mentioned.

Babies
If you have a baby in your home, you may find diaper laundering a problem under emergency conditions. It is best to keep an ample supply of disposable diapers on hand for emergency use. Or, any moisture resistant material can be cut and folded to diaper size and lined with absorbent material.


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Thanks! I printed the article, it's full of good information :)
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This thread has some good information!
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Hi. does anyone remember the "recipe" for home-made wipes. I do remember that you take the roll out of paper towels, cut them into squares and put them in a sealed container. I think there was some combination of baby oil, soap, etc that was poured over the papers to make them a quick solution for handwipes, body wipes, etc. Thanks. Rocky
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I have a worm bin to deal with my trash.I read Worms Eat My Garbage, by Mary Applehof.I got my supplies from www.wormwrld.com.I received quick sevice from them.As well as a very detailed informational booklet.I am in no way connected to either Mary Applehof, or Worm World. I'm just a satified customer.
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Another suggestion here ... I've seen "composting" toilets out there in cyber-space, which seems like a good solution ... using wood chips to compost "waste" in and understanding it takes care of the "smell" as well.  May have to google "composting toilets."

As for the baby wipes, I remember "seeing" that as well ... what I remembered from that because I had bought all the supplies ... was papertowels, liquid baby soap, water and baggies..  Just enough baby soap in water to work up some slight suds and pour over the towels in the baggie.  But first, take out the cardboard tube, and another suggestion is to cut the roll of towel in half to extend your "wipes" alittle further. 
 
Hope this helps ...
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Sweetpea,  that composting toilet system using sawdust is here, he calls it Humanure.  He has an entire book devoted to this subject posted on the web.  It covers the building of the toilet, maintenance and disposal.  It also resembles the real thing which can be placed in the bathroom reducing stress and will be more comforting than using a plain bucket.  Here are some samples of these things.
 
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thanx ... weird-one (steve)
 
I remember seeing it before, I just didn't log it under favorites becuase I had printed it out and shelved it ... seems to be a better approach than having to balance one's self on a bucket ... and some look more presentable as well.
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LOL ... beats going out in the cold to the outhouse anyday ... Embarrassed!
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