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    Posted: April 06 2017 at 7:59pm
Trump launches military strike against Syria

(CNN)The United States launched a military strike Thursday on a Syrian government target in retaliation for their chemical weapons attack on civilians earlier in the week.
On President Donald Trump's orders, US warships launched between 50-60 Tomahawk cruise missiles at a Syrian government airbase where the warplanes that carried out the chemical attacks were based, US officials said.
"Tonight, I ordered a targeted military strike on the air field in Syria from where the chemical attack was launched," Trump said during short remarks to reporters at Mar-a-Lago. "It is in this vital national security of the United States to prevent and deter the spread and use of deadly chemical weapons."

He added: "There can be no dispute that Syria used banned chemical weapons, violated its obligations under the Chemical Weapons Convention and ignored the urging of the UN Security Council. Years of previous attempts at changing Assad's behavior have all failed and failed very dramatically."

A US defense official said the strike was targeted on runway, aircraft and fuel points. The missiles were launched from warships in the Eastern Mediterranean.
Strikes are over "until another decision is made," the official said.
The strikes are the first direct military action the US has taken against the leadership of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad in the country's six-year civil war and represent a substantial escalation of the US' military campaign in the region, which could be interpreted by the Syrian government as an act of war.

There were Russians at the base that the US struck Thursday night, a US defense official. It was not said what the Russians' role was at the base. In addition, according to the official, the US had multiple conversations with the Russians today to warn them of the coming attack.
Separately, in an effort to tie the US strike to the chemical attack, the US military showed reporters an image of the radar track of a Syrian airplane leaving the airfield and headed to chemical strike area on Tuesday. A second image of bomb damage craters at the airbase was also shown to reporters at the Pentagon.
Lawmakers generally supported Trump's decision to strike back against Assad Thursday night, but cautioned the President against unilaterally starting a war without first consulting Congress.
A pair of defense hawks -- Sens. John McCain and Lindsey Graham -- who have frequently been critical of Trump, roundly praised his decision Thursday night.
"Acting on the orders of their commander-in-chief, they have sent an important message the United States will no longer stand idly by as Assad, aided and abetted by Putin's Russia, slaughters innocent Syrians with chemical weapons and barrel bombs," McCain and Graham said in a joint statement.
But Sen. Rand Paul called on Trump to consult on Congress.
"While we all condemn the atrocities in Syria, the US was not attacked," Paul said.
The US began launching airstrikes in Syria in September 2014 under President Barack Obama as part of its coalition campaign against ISIS, but has only targeted the terrorist group and not Syrian government forces.
Trump met with his national security team before his dinner with Chinese President Xi Jinping in Mar-a-Lago Thursday, where he made the decision to pull the trigger on the biggest military action of his presidency, an administration official says.
He sat through dinner with the President Xi as action was under way.

Defense Secretary James Mattis has been updating Trump about the missile strikes in Syria following his dinner with Xi, according to a US official.
Mattis, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and Trump's national security adviser Gen. H.R. McMaster were with Trump at Mar-a-Lago at the time. Vice President Mike Pence remained in Washington, where he returned to the White House after dinner.
Trump's order to strike the Syrian government targets came a day after he said the chemical attacks -- whose grisly effects were broadcast worldwide where videos captured in the immediate aftermath -- "crossed a lot of lines for me" and said he felt a "responsibility" to respond.

"I will tell you it's already happened that my attitude toward Syria and Assad has changed very much," Trump said.
"When you kill innocent children -- innocent babies -- babies -- little babies with a chemical gas that is so lethal, people were shocked to hear what gas it was, that crosses many, many lines. Beyond a red line, many, many lines," Trump said.
Trump's decision to launch the strikes, the most significant military action of his young presidency, came nearly four years after the US first concluded that Syrian forces had used chemical weapons in Syria. The Obama administration concluded that Syria had violated the "red line" Obama had set a year earlier in discussing the use of chemical weapons, but ultimately decided against military action against Syria in favor of a Russian-brokered deal to extricate the country's chemical weapons stockpile.
Trump at the time said the US should "stay the hell out of Syria" and urged Obama on Twitter to "not attack Syria" in the wake of the 2013 chemical attack.

"There is no upside and tremendous downside. Save your 'powder' for another (and more important) day," he tweeted in September 2013.
Trump repeatedly criticized Obama during his presidential campaign for not acting on his "red line" threat, but the real estate mogul also argued against deepening the US' military involvement in Syria, particularly as it related to Assad.
Trump argued last May in a TV interview that he would "go after ISIS big league," but said he did not support targeting Assad's regime, arguing the US has "bigger problems than Assad."
Syria's six-year civil war has claimed the lives of at least 400,000, according to a United Nations estimate released a year ago. More than 5 million Syrians have fled the country and more than 6 million more have been displaced internally, according to UN agencies.
But guided by his "America First" ideology and rejection of the US' propensity for "nation-building," Trump did not argue in favor of stepped-up US intervention during his campaign for president.

Instead, he signaled the opposite: He argued that the US should remain laser-focused on defeating ISIS and vowed to try and partner with Russia, which has heartily backed Assad's regime, in order to defeat ISIS and bring the conflict to an end.
Those views appeared steeped in his longstanding criticism of the Iraq War, which he called a "stupid" decision, lamenting the billions of dollars funneled toward that war effort instead of on domestic programs, like infrastructure spending.
While Trump rejected the isolationist label some placed on him during the campaign, he made clear that his preference was for limiting the US footprint around the world and refocusing US foreign policy around core national security interests.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/06/politics/donald-trump-syria-military/
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Can't say I have too much of a problem with this. The gas attack was the action of a brutal dictator that needs to be gone. It's refreshing to see Trump finally realize that Assad's regime should never be considered our ally in any way.

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JD: This was on 04/04! This is the Russian view point. Trump basically said Do what ever you want!


Trump Takes Smart, Realistic Approach to Mideast by Accepting Assad


US President Donald Trump is taking a realistic approach to the tumultuous Middle East region by accepting President Bashar Assad as Syria’s leader, analysts told Sputnik.

WASHINGTON (Sputnik) — White House spokesperson Sean Spicer said in a briefing on Friday that the United States should accept the political reality with respect to Assad and focus on eliminating Daesh.

Spicer’s comments reflected one of the most positive decisions Trump had made since taking office more than two months ago, Gulf Affairs Institute Director Ali al-Ahmed told Sputnik.

“[It is] one of his smartest decisions,” al-Ahmed stated.

Historian and international affairs commentator Matthew Dal Santo told Sputnik that Trump is taking a more constructive and realistic approach to ending the Syrian conflict that has cost 500,000 lives and generated millions of refugees since it began six years ago.

Trump needed to do what his predecessor Barack Obama had not been prepared to and take the necessary step of recognizing that Assad remained the effective and lawful ruler of Syria because the US policy of regime change had only brought endless suffering to the Syrian people, Dal Santo said.

“Assad… is head of the only legitimate set of government institutions Syria has,” Dal Santo explained.

Recognizing Assad as the legitimate leader of Syria was also essential so that Syria, the United States and US allies could all be freed up to focus on the primary goal of destroying Daesh, which still is trying to hold on to the Syria city of Raqqa, Dal Santo added.

“Let us hope the Islamic State will now be eliminated — and an end to Syria's civil war reached by diplomacy and compromise,” he said.

Turkish presidential spokesman Ibrahim Kalin said Friday that Ankara presented Trump a plan for liberating Raqqa from Daesh.

However, the decision on what force will be used to liberate Raqqa is yet to be made, US Department of Defense spokesperson Eric Pahon told Sputnik on Monday.


https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201704041052262025-trump-smart-accepting-assad/
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Originally posted by jacksdad jacksdad wrote:

Can't say I have too much of a problem with this. The gas attack was the action of a brutal dictator that needs to be gone. It's refreshing to see Trump finally realize that Assad's regime should never be considered our ally in any way.


I agree, and Obama should have done this years ago.  

We should keep in mind that Assad was supposed to have been stripped of all chemical WMD, and he apparently kept quite a stash in reserve, in violation of his agreements. 

I'd worry that he will send agents out into the West to sow mayhem with that stuff.  It is also a consideration if we act against North Korea.  

This is what happens when you wait too long to do the right things.  At least Trump acted, although I can see this having lots of repercussions. 

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I see your point, Arirish.

 I am not sure this is the wise thing to do. I am equally unsure that Trump has the restraint to handle what comes next. But, I have to say, I agree with him.  In fact he has risen considerably in my eyes.

It is a bit of a cliche, but "For evil to succeed, good has to do nothing." Go Trump!!!

I wonder if the Russians are having second thoughts about helping him into power.  Be careful what you wish for - you might just get it.
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Technophobe said: "In fact he has risen considerably in my eyes."
My point exactly! I have no problem with the action, but when you are being investigated for collusion with the enemy what better distraction than attacking that enemy's puppet? In August of 1998 a few days after Bill Clinton admitted his infidelities, He hit Al Qaeda training camps with cruise missiles and was accused of wagging the dog! What Bill Clinton was accused of wasn't right but it wasn't even close to treason! Not saying it's true, just worth looking at!
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Yep - smoke and mirrors, arirish. What better way to deflect attention from your problems at home than a military strike like this?

Only days ago, Trump was insisting we aid Assad and Russia in fighting ISIS when he was clearly waging war on his own people in a last ditch attempt to hold on to power. Wonder what caused the penny to finally drop?

I would question how the decision went down. I'm guessing it was on the advice of his generals (didn't he say he knew more than them...?), but I'm betting the surgical strike they advocated became two ships unleashing hell with every Tomahawk to hand thanks to Trump wanting to make a statement. I guess we'll see how that plays out with Russia and Iran in the days and weeks to come.



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March jobs report out
only 98K jobs created

Trump is in DESPERATE need of distractions for public consumption

the economy is getting ready to do the big swirly
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Comment: I seem to remember Trump slamming Obama for warning people about attacks! 50-60 Tomakawks and they hit nine planes and so far no reported casualties?


The United States warned Russia ahead of a massive military strike on a Syrian regime air base, the Pentagon said Thursday.

“Russian forces were notified in advance of the strike using the established deconfliction line,” Navy Captain Jeff Davis said, referring to a special military hotline.

“US military planners took precautions to minimize risk to Russian or Syrian personnel located at the airfield.

Nine Planes Destroyed

Nine planes as well as munition and fuel depots were destroyed in the US strike on Syria’s Shayrat airbase early Friday but the runway was intact, the Russian state channel Rossiya24 reported from the scene.

“According to preliminary information, nine Syrian airplanes were destroyed,” its correspondent said in a report from the base, broadcast hours after the strike at 0040 GMT Friday.

Stores with ammunition and fuel were also targeted, he said, adding that a fire and some explosions were ongoing.

“But not all equipment has been destroyed, there is some that was not impacted by the strike,” the correspondent said.

“The landing strip… is practically not impacted,” he added.

Footage showed the runway intact but covered in debris, as well as two planes sitting in concrete hangars.

The aircraft were apparently not heavily damaged while some other hangars were charred and surrounded by rubble.
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Hmmmm!  You sure have a point or two there, Arirish.  However, I did not expect to be told the truth by anyone - neither ours, theirs nor any "unafilliated observers".

Applying our own brains (like you just did) is our only hope of staying half way up on things.
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Techno - Thanks! I try to use the few brains I was given. I also find it strange that hundreds of thousands of sick, starving, shot and bombed civilians is tolerated but gas one hundred and that's going to far! That's where we draw the line? Commit genocide, just don't gas them!    
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reports coming in that the Syrians are launching air strikes using the very same air field
we just hit with 70 million dollars worth of missiles

hmmm
didn't even put it out of commission for 24 hrs
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30 tons of high explosives to take out 9 planes a couple of hangers and an ammo dump but not the runway? Not really the massive military strike they've talked about all day!
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CBS's White House correspondent, Mark Knoller, is reporting that Tillerson claims they purposely didn't target the runway because it was deemed too thick for a Tomahawk to damage.
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70 million dollars worth of ordinance and ya can't take out a runway ?
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why would Assad resort to this type of weapon at this stage in the war ,

earlier yes when it looked like he would lose before the russians came to his aid

but now the rebels are on the run

it makes no sense to me ,

therefore i suspect they hit a rebel stockpile as Assad says ,

i have no like for this war nor Assard but he is fighting Dashe!!!!!!

 and these "REBELS" are Dashe 

the "west" has no part in it 

but we just got 

"SUCKED IN"

as Dashe wanted all along,

 they want the west to fight there battle as they are losing......

the world is shocked by the scenes of kids affected by this gas, 

what about all the dead Yadidis and the rape and murder of Christians done by Dashe 

the world has a very short term memory problem....


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 and Trump did what all other leaders under pressure do

DEFLECT........wait for the 24 hour newscycle to move on...........

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"...As in the past, whether it be a collection of tents in Afghanistan, a pharmaceutical plant in Khartoum, Sudan or a retaliatory strike for a no-fly zone violation in Iraq, the Tomahawk cruise missile has become the punitive weapon of choice. It’s fired from a safe distance, risking no American lives, and presenting the appearance of someone doing something vital.
When you want to do nothing, but look like you are doing something, send a Tomahawk—or 59..."

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The way all this went down, and the timing has me wondering something. Sinking approval ratings, an inability to deliver on key campaign issues, and more and more ties to Russia - lots of things are currently dogging the White House in a big way. Capitalizing on the gas attack by suddenly developing a conscience and making a show of lobbing Tomahawks at expendable targets would potentially make a lot of the current administrations problems go away, don't you think? Putin feigning indignation and rattling a few sabers would be the icing on the cake. I'm beginning to wonder if we're not all getting played, and the endgame is to kill the perception that Putin and Trump are in bed together. Just a thought...






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On the same wave lenth jacksdad my

thoughts exactly...we being played like a violin
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