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    Posted: March 15 2006 at 4:47pm
I carry a list of last minute stuff in my truck, I also carry double the price of todays prices in cash for this stuff. Keep both together and ready, to run through the store marking it off when loading it in a buggy.

I drew a map of the store we would go to, with each item numbered in order of priority marked on the map of the store.

Lists are short
100 pound beans, 100 pounds of rice, 200 pounds each of flour, meal and any canned meats on the shelf.

Have a second list just like it for my helper and shotgun rider to take in the store next door, canned meats, mayo, coffee, tea, sugar, ketchup and comfort foods.

We ran a trial run from home to and through the stores, we can do it, under an hour, even stopping for gas on way home.

We consider TSHTF time, to be the first human case in the US. Others will be fighting over three day stuff, while we rolling right by them with the longterm stuff. But just in case, we will have some riding shotgun.

If things are getting real wild, we will use three trucks, and old moonshine hauling blocker tactics. Nothing new to any of us.

We are rural folks, maybe some city folks can add more or better stuff for city dwellers. I would be lost in a city if TSHTF.
Don't blow your kids lunch money for things they may never need.
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This is a great thread! Wonderful idea and now I have to work on my citified list... -- Libby

PS -- the other thing I would be doing is filling every single container with water....

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Thanks Libby, the list was my idea, but the thread was Chuck's. If you like it thank Chuck.


If you don't like it blame Chuck, he made me do it.
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I hope to have everything purchased by then, but I think I am done, then I think I might need a little more so I keep on going out and buying more stuff. My plans are to be at home when the craziness starts, filling my water containers, doing laundry and cleaning house, organizing stuff that type thing. Oh, and filling my gas tank. Need to get locking gas caps still.
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City folk ideas:

This list assumes you have basic preps already done.

!st stop grocery store, buy anything imported, coffee, tea, sugar,spices, or anything produced far away, like, maple syrup, canned fish, molasses,cheeses, etc

Quick stop at auto store like Pep Boys, buy Gas cans, roadway flares, tire plug kit, 12 volt air pump for flats, motor oil, antifreeze, transmission fluid.

Next stop wally world, buy led solar yard lights, .22 cal amunition, 12 gauge ammunition,light bulbs, batteries, flashlights, fishing line and hooks,soaps and bleach, more gas cans.

Next stop gas station, fill all gas cans and vehicle.

Next, pawn shop, buy cheap .22 cal guns for trade and or 12 gauge shotguns for same.

Last stop, Liquor store, buy pints and fifths of cheap hard liquor for trading.

Following this agenda shoukl keep you one step ahead of the crowd, if the crowd has beat you there, skip it and go on to next place.

Go Home, bolt door, cover windows.  Hope for best.

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 Bebo, I doubt if I could MAKE you do anything you didnt want to do, even at gunpoint! Havent met you, but know you well enough to be pretty sure of that!
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Originally posted by Chuck-91 Chuck-91 wrote:

Next stop gas station, fill all gas cans and
vehicle...Next, pawn shop, buy cheap .22 cal guns...and or 12 gauge
shotguns for same...Last stop, Liquor store, buy pints and fifths of cheap
hard liquor....



Prepping? Heck, this would be just a normal Friday night around here.
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chuck91

suggestion/.. Get some mini's of the top shelf stuff as a kicker for trading. I've been told the mezcal is good...real good.

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The 100 Things That Disappear First
As a point of reference in building your SHTF lists...

1. Generators (Good ones cost dearly. Gas storage, risky. Noisy...target of
thieves; maintenance etc.)
2. Water Filters/Purifiers
3. Portable Toilets
4. Seasoned Firewood. Wood takes about 6 - 12 months to become dried,
for home
uses.
5. Lamp Oil, Wicks, Lamps (First Choice: Buy CLEAR oil. If scarce, stockpile
ANY!)
6. Coleman Fuel. Impossible to stockpile too much.
7. Guns, Ammunition, Pepper Spray, Knives, Clubs, Bats & Slingshots.
8. Hand-can openers, & hand egg beaters, whisks.
9. Honey/Syrups/white, brown sugar
10. Rice - Beans - Wheat
11. Vegetable Oil (for cooking) Without it food burns/must be boiled
etc.,)
12. Charcoal, Lighter Fluid (Will become scarce suddenly)
13. Water Containers (Urgent Item to obtain.) Any size. Small: HARD
CLEAR
PLASTIC ONLY - note - food grade if for drinking.
16. Propane Cylinders (Urgent: Definite shortages will occur.
17. Survival Guide Book.
18. Mantles: Aladdin, Coleman, etc. (Without this item, longer-term
lighting is
difficult.)
19. Baby Supplies: Diapers/formula. ointments/aspirin, etc.
20. Washboards, Mop Bucket w/wringer (for Laundry)
21. Cookstoves (Propane, Coleman & Kerosene)
22. Vitamins
23. Propane Cylinder Handle-Holder (Urgent: Small canister use is
dangerous
without this item)
24. Feminine Hygiene/Haircare/Skin products.
25. Thermal underwear (Tops & Bottoms)
26. Bow saws, axes and hatchets, Wedges (also, honing oil)
27. Aluminum Foil Reg. & Heavy Duty (Great Cooking and Barter Item)
28. Gasoline Containers (Plastic & Metal)
29. Garbage Bags (Impossible To Have Too Many).
30. Toilet Paper, Kleenex, Paper Towels
31. Milk - Powdered & Condensed (Shake Liquid every 3 to 4 months)
32. Garden Seeds (Non-Hybrid) (A MUST)
33. Clothes pins/line/hangers (A MUST)
34. Coleman's Pump Repair Kit
35. Tuna Fish (in oil)
36. Fire Extinguishers (or..large box of Baking Soda in every room)
37. First aid kits
38. Batteries (all sizes...buy furthest-out for Expiration Dates)
39. Garlic, spices & vinegar, baking supplies
40. Big Dogs (and plenty of dog food)
41. Flour, yeast & salt
42. Matches. {"Strike Anywhere" preferred.) Boxed, wooden matches will
go first
43. Writing paper/pads/pencils, solar calculators
44. Insulated ice chests (good for keeping items from freezing in
Wintertime.)
45. Workboots, belts, Levis & durable shirts
46. Flashlights/LIGHTSTICKS & torches, "No. 76 Dietz" Lanterns
47. Journals, Diaries & Scrapbooks (jot down ideas, feelings, experience;
Historic Times)
48. Garbage cans Plastic (great for storage, water, transporting - if with
wheels)
49. Men's Hygiene: Shampoo, Toothbrush/paste, Mouthwash/floss, nail
clippers,
etc
50. Cast iron cookware (sturdy, efficient)
51. Fishing supplies/tools
52. Mosquito coils/repellent, sprays/creams
53. Duct Tape
54. Tarps/stakes/twine/nails/rope/spikes
55. Candles
56. Laundry Detergent (liquid)
57. Backpacks, Duffel Bags
58. Garden tools & supplies
59. Scissors, fabrics & sewing supplies
60. Canned Fruits, Veggies, Soups, stews, etc.
61. Bleach (plain, NOT scented: 4 to 6% sodium hypochlorite)
62. Canning supplies, (Jars/lids/wax)
63. Knives & Sharpening tools: files, stones, steel
64. Bicycles...Tires/tubes/pumps/chains, etc
65. Sleeping Bags & blankets/pillows/mats
66. Carbon Monoxide Alarm (battery powered)
67. Board Games, Cards, Dice
68. d-con Rat poison, MOUSE PRUFE II, Roach Killer
69. Mousetraps, Ant traps & cockroach magnets
70. Paper plates/cups/utensils (stock up, folks)
71. Baby wipes, oils, waterless & Antibacterial soap (saves a lot of water)
72. Rain gear, rubberized boots, etc.
73. Shaving supplies (razors & creams, talc, after shave)
74. Hand pumps & siphons (for water and for fuels)
75. Soysauce, vinegar, bullions/gravy/soupbase
76. Reading glasses
77. Chocolate/Cocoa/Tang/Punch (water enhancers)
78. "Survival-in-a-Can"
79. Woolen clothing, scarves/ear-muffs/mittens
80. Boy Scout Handbook, / also Leaders Catalog
81. Roll-on Window Insulation Kit (MANCO)
82. Graham crackers, saltines, pretzels, Trail mix/Jerky
83. Popcorn, Peanut Butter, Nuts
84. Socks, Underwear, T-shirts, etc. (extras)
85. Lumber (all types)
86. Wagons & carts (for transport to and from)
87. Cots & Inflatable mattress's
88. Gloves: Work/warming/gardening, etc.
89. Lantern Hangers
90. Screen Patches, glue, nails, screws,, nuts & bolts
91. Teas
92. Coffee
93. Cigarettes
94. Wine/Liquors (for bribes, medicinal, etc,)
95. Paraffin wax
96. Glue, nails, nuts, bolts, screws, etc.
97. Chewing gum/candies
98. Atomizers (for cooling/bathing)
99. Hats & cotton neckerchiefs
100. Goats/chickens
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Graet lists.  Thanks, all. 
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M&M's. If I buy any chocolate or candy for preps before the last minute, it
won't be there when we need it!

And a saxaphone.

Plus guns, rum, gardening supplies, dope, etc.
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BTW -- if you don't have ant killer spray, use lysol or any other spray cleaner. Does the same thing. Found out once by accident... -- Libby
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Originally posted by libbyalex libbyalex wrote:

BTW -- if you don't have ant killer spray, use lysol or any other spray cleaner. Does the same thing. Found out once by accident... -- Libby

 

clorox clean up spray really works well on ants

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Complete pancake mix!

I can't afford to stockpile things we can't rotate fast enough. Pancake mix has dry eggs in it. Will clean the shelf off of pancake mix!

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Originally posted by KatDoe67 KatDoe67 wrote:

Complete pancake mix!

I can't afford to stockpile things we can't rotate fast enough. Pancake mix has dry eggs in it. Will clean the shelf off of pancake mix!

Suggestion..freeze for a few days..and then take out of the boxs and re seal in zip lock bags...taking as much air out as possible..the freezing is to get rid of any small bugs that may still be in there..and the boxs are not air tight..so I have ziplocked mine to keep fresh..I have had no problems at all cause I have used some from about 7 months ago and it made up perfect...

lol...I am the Rona zip lock Queen..almost all my preps are zip locked

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Originally posted by andrew p andrew p wrote:

M&M's. If I buy any chocolate or candy for preps before the last minute, it
won't be there when we need it!
   

Andrew...... what if something happens SUDDENLY and you are not in a position to make that "last" trip to the store?

I strongly advise you to immediately get a stash of baking COCOA, and DARK CHOCOLATE BARS, along with sugar and condensed milk ---- the first three items can store for YEARS with no problems, I've read that in lots of places.

I'm simply concerned that if you consider M&Ms to be a significant part of your final preps, that you seriously consider having basic chocolate & sweeteners on hand, in your longterm prep storage -- NOW.

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Omega -- LOL! Chocolate is absolutely essential! And, just in case you haven't been welcomed to the board yet, consider yourself welcomed! Holler if there's anything we can do for you. -- Libby
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Chocolate is a great stress food.  I've bought some chocolate chips for my stash.  If nothing happens, I'll use them for baking cookies.
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I do have 4 months of food supplies, including  ample quanities of honey and sugar. We always have some chocolate around! I have also not really decided how much baking we'll plan on doing.

Much is dependent on when we individually decide that the S has officially contacted the blades of the fan.

I'm working on lists that will go into effect with certain triggers, as many probably are.

The m&ms, guns, and rum trigger is when there are a number of confirmed H2H cases.

The saxaphone trigger is when it shows up H2H in this country. I don't picture that there will be a huge mob at the music store.
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I have a list of last minute items to pick up but they are things like fresh veggies and fruits.  Not things i "have" to have.  It may be too close to my area to take the chance of infection with other shoppers.  The things i will get are items with a very limited life and would probably only be good for a month or less.
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