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Posted: September 11 2006 at 9:38pm |
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From WHO
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Simian virus 40, poliovirus vaccines, and human cancer: research progress versus media and public interests
J.S. Butel
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"From 1955 through early 1963, millions of people were inadvertently exposed to simian virus 40 (sv40) as a contaminant of polio virus vaccines; the virus had been present in the monkey kidney cultures used to prepare the vaccines and had escaped detection."
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Were you one of the inadvertantly exposed millions who have the monkey virus?
What does monkey virus from monkey kidney cultures do to you?
sv40 monkey virus is a potent tumor virus, the devistation to our health we face today from vaccines we had in our youth.
And now they also use canine, DOG, kidney cells.
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Anharra with gob smacked shaking hands I post this section from thread on Vetnam News . Thankyou for these posts , Naturopaths I work with are always screaming stats to me production of virus against the H5N1 strain of bird flu tested on humans following its successful trials on animals shows a positive result, said the director of the Central Institute of Hygiene and Epidemiology Dr Nguyen Tran Hien Wednesday. 2006
The quality of vaccine against H5N1 from monkey’s kidney made in the laboratory is stable. US$1 million grant provided by the US Health Ministry would go to the human trials. |
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Well read on... see if you would want more animal cells injected ....
From Wikipedia....
Read full story here...
The virus is dormant and shows no visible effects in Rhesus monkeys. The virus has been found in many macaque populations in the wild, where it rarely causes disease.
However, in monkeys that are immunodeficient—due to, for example, infection with Simian immunodeficiency virus—SV40 acts much like the human JC and BK polyomaviruses, producing kidney disease and sometimes a demyelinating disease similar to PML. In other species, particularly hamsters,
SV40 causes a variety of tumors, generally sarcomas.
The molecular mechanisms by which the virus reproduces and alters cell function were previously unknown, and research into SV40 vastly increased biologists' understanding of gene expression and the regulation of cell growth.
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p53 DamageSV40 is believed to damage the tumor-suppressing p53 gene in humans. The p53 gene is responsible for initiating apoptosis, or "cellular suicide," when a cell is damaged. A damaged p53 gene may contribute to uncontrolled cellular reproduction, leading to a tumor. [edit]
Polio vaccine contaminationSoon after its discovery, SV40 was identified in the injected form of the polio vaccine produced between 1955 and 1961. This is believed to be due to kidney cells from infected monkeys being used to amplify the vaccine virus during production. Both the Sabin vaccine (oral, live virus) and the Salk vaccine (injectable, killed virus) were affected; the technique used to inactivate the polio virus in the Salk vaccine, by means of formaldehyde, did not reliably kill SV40. |
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12 Sep 2006
Vaccine Made from Live bird flu virus vaccine Offers Protection to Animals
According to US researchers three experimental vaccines using live but weakened versions of the H5N1 bird flu virus seemed to offer protection against infection, and could probably be the solution to to stockpile vaccines ahead of a pandemic. Health experts fear a mutation of the H5N1 avian flu virus that is now killing birds globally, into a form that easily infects people, sparking a pandemic that could kill millions.
Although H5N1 has infected only 244 people and killed 143, governments, companies and other organizations are racing to produce a vaccine. So far the vaccines that have been developed use pieces of DNA from the viruses while some others use a virus that is completely inactivated, or killed. Since most seasonal flu vaccines use a killed virus there is little chances of cross-protection. Maryland-based MedImmune Inc has engineered a live but weakened virus that is delivered as a nasal spray instead of injected by needle. Researchers from MedImmune worked with teams at the National Institutes of Health and the U.S. Department of Agriculture to make a live H5N1 vaccine. The teams were led by Dr. Kanta Subbarao of NIAID using three different strains of H5N1 dating back to when the dangerous form first emerged in Hong Kong in 1997. The researchers reported that mice that got a single dose of vaccine, given in a nose spray, all survived normally lethal doses of H5N1. It was found that mice and ferrets given two doses of vaccine were not only protected but that their bodies also suppressed the virus. The team artificially constructed their viruses using weakened flu strains and added key proteins from H5N1 strains that infected people in 1997,2003 and 2004. Even more amazing was the usual low-tech approach to produce this vaccine, growing it in chicken eggs, that is in the same way that seasonal flu vaccine is produced. MedImmune said in June it was already testing one of the vaccines in human volunteers, in what is known as a Phase I safety trial. The researchers noted it is not possible to predict which strain of H5N1 or any other influenza virus might cause a pandemic. There are hundreds of different possible combinations of hemagglutinin (the "H" in a flu strain's name) and neuraminidase (the "N"). The researchers wrote, "If the vaccine candidates described in this paper elicit a broadly cross-reactive protective immune response in humans, they would support the approach of developing one or two pandemic vaccine candidates for each subtype (H4 through H16) …." Source-Medindia NLA |
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Perhaps I am reading this wrong about the Polio vaccine. I know tht most all of my peers had it, I was born in 1955. Our parents were scared to death of polio. Here is the thing. I dont know one of my peers who has cancer or kidney trouble due to this. I think it is unfortunate that this happened. I still say though in a killer pandemic with as high a kill rate as this can have, we need to do what we can to survive and pray for the best. I dont believe the reasearchers are trying to kill us. I hope not anyone. Could it be that those who get cancer, are genetically predisposed to cancer with any type of abnormal stimulus? Example, people who smoke and get cancer in their thirties, vs people who smoke and never get cancer and live to be in their nineties? It is the same product, but two different people. Perhaps the cancer risk, lies in the individual own genetic code. Just a thought.
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I kind of agree with you, but I'm still glad my parents were against vaccines when I was a kid. I still haven't had most of the vaccines most people my age (44) have had. I did get a polio vac in about 1991. I don't have the scoop mark so many have on their arm either. What was that? smallpox, I think?
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There are all these vaccines being developed for H5N1. I thought that the problem was that if it mutated and was easily transmitted person to person, a vaccine couldn't be developed until the specific strain was known. Am I wrong? I sure hope.
GG
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July, good posts....
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"...a live, weakened vaccine..."
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no thanks.
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"The lower safety of the whole-virus vaccines is a conclusion resulting from biotechnological levels of more than one decade ago. The newest technologies can make the whole-virus vaccine better purified and reduce the possibility of side effects."
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ok...prove it...not better but.............. PURIFIED.
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I agree parents were very afraid of polio. BUT we don't want this done to millions AGAIN.
There are other technologies out there...but no money.
Nanotechnology should be utilized ...Hello Bill Gates!
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My lil girl said to me..."Mom why doesn't Bill Gates throw his money at the real problem, a different way of life for the Africans, and education, so they are not living so close to the animals."
I was reading last night, it seems Mr. Gates is onto the thought of empowering African women, keep that thought, run with it.
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Please elaborate.
Is the above saying that the Sabin vaccine(oral) & the Salk vaccine(injectable) were vaccines which were safe, and they killed the SV40 virus, BUT the Salk vaccine(by means of formaldehyde) was UNSAFE due to the fact that it did not kill reliably the SV40?
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"...and they killed the SV40 virus..." hi bboa, the SV40 monkey virus was in the vaccines, it contaminated the vaccines. If you unfortunatly were one of MILLIONS subjected as a minor to a- Sabin vaccine (oral, live virus) or a Salk vaccine (injectable, killed virus) between the years 1955 - 1961 (perhaps to 63, I will look into it) then you were most likely a recipient of the monkey virus. |
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My son has lupus, I have been told that he should never take a live vaccine. I would presume that would mean BF also.
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I have been told that he should never take a live vaccine.
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hi vstr,
I won't take one either...
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Africa: Vaccines Against Bird Flu in Humans Show Promise
SciDev.Net (London) September 12, 2006 Hawk Jia Two studies, one Chinese and one US, show potential for producing flu vaccines to protect people against a bird flu pandemic. The US study, published in PLoS Medicine today (12 September), suggests it could be possible to produce a vaccine that would protect against future strains of H5N1. The Chinese team's vaccine, meanwhile, is more effective at protecting against infection than any other so far. Led by Kanta Subbarao of the US National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, the US team produced three vaccines by combining a common flu virus with key proteins from H5N1 viruses collected in 1997, 2003 and 2004. Mice that were given a single dose of the vaccines did not die when they were later infected with H5N1 -- the unprotected mice, however, did. Moreover, the researchers found that mice and ferrets that were given two doses of the vaccines were protected against a later strain of H5N1 -- one that had been collected in 2005. So far, researchers and policymakers have been concerned that production of a vaccine against a pandemic form of H5N1 would only begin once the pandemic virus had emerged -- and therefore after the pandemic itself had begun. The Chinese vaccine, produced by Sinovac Biotech, contained an inactivated version of the whole H5N1 virus and adjuvant -- a chemical that is sometimes added to vaccines to make it more effective. In a previous trial of an H5N1 vaccine developed by Sanofi Pasteur, researchers found that they needed 30 micrograms of virus for their vaccine to adequately protect humans against bird flu. But results published online in The Lancet last week (7 September) show that the Sinovac Biotech vaccine achieved its best response with only two doses of ten micrograms of virus when it was tested in 120 people.
Minimising the amount of virus needed in a vaccine to protect humans is important because of the time it takes to grow the virus, making it more difficult to produce enough vaccine to meet global demand. Vaccines made of whole viruses, such as the Chinese vaccine, are known to trigger greater immune responses than those made out of virus particles, such as the US vaccine. However, they are thought to be more risky. But Yin Weidong, president of Sinovac, told SciDev.Net: "The lower safety of the whole-virus vaccines is a conclusion resulting from biotechnological levels of more than one decade ago. The newest technologies can make the whole-virus vaccine better purified and reduce the possibility of side effects." |
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"Vaccines made of whole viruses, such as the Chinese vaccine, are known to trigger greater immune responses than those made out of virus particles, such as the US vaccine. However, they are thought to be more risky."
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Be very well informed...
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