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http://www.debka.com/article/24915/First-US-Russian-air-clash-builds-up-as-Moscow-orders-US-planes-to-exit-Syrian-air-space

That Russia launched its first air strikes in Syria Wednesday, Sept. 30 was confirmed by the Russian Defense Ministry in Moscow and criticized by US officials. Moscow stressed that it acted in support of Bashar Assad’s war on the Islamic State, assisted by other foreign powers including Iran and Iraq working together from an allied command center in Baghdad. Its targets were described as stores, ammunition dumps and vehicles, located according to US sources around Homs and Hama. The Russian communiqués did not indicate which organizations were bombed.

The Russian aerial offensive marks a turning point in Middle East affairs. Russia is emerging strongly as the number one power in the region. The governments which hitherto coordinated their military polices with the US, like those of Israel, Jordan and Turkey will have to reassess their orientation and affinities in a hurry.
For Israel it is the end of years of freedom for its air force to strike its enemies from the skies of Syria or Lebanon. It also marks the end of any plans Turkey and Jordan may have entertained for setting up buffer and no-fly zones in Syria to protect their borders.

Washington quickly criticized the air strikes, but said Moscow’s moves would not change the US-led air campaign targeting the Islamic State in Syria. That remains to be seen.

Secretary of State John Kerry told Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov that the Russian air strikes are “not helpful,” and ran counter to the effort to make sure mishaps do not happen inadvertently in the air.

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http://tribelive.ning.com/forum/breaking-news-israel-prepares-ground-invasion-of-syria

If Israel invades Syria to keep Iran/Hezballah away from its borders that is a very serious escalation. 
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Originally posted by Dutch Josh Dutch Josh wrote:

http://tribelive.ning.com/forum/breaking-news-israel-prepares-ground-invasion-of-syria

If Israel invades Syria to keep Iran/Hezballah away from its borders that is a very serious escalation. 


Although the Israelis held back as Saddam Hussein pelted them with Scuds and we watched on the world news as they blew up
(info on this here) http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/january/18/newsid_4588000/4588486.stm
, the U.S. picked the wrong people to try and topple Assad.  For a quick read on Assad
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bashar_al-Assad
and Syrian opposition
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_opposition
The mistake was to arm terrorists
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/updated-obama-waives-ban-on-arming-terrorists-to-allow-aid-to-syrian-opposition/article/2535885

This is where things went wrong. This can be expressed in a "What the H was that man thinking?" which may cover other topic areas but is certainly not appropriate to put guns in the hands of Al Queda - the group that blew up the Twin Towers and made 9-11 a reality.

Case in point as the Hezbollah and the Syrian Army enter Al-Zabadani

http://www.islamicinvitationturkey.com/2015/09/21/hezbollah-and-the-syrian-army-enter-downtown-al-zabadani-before-ceasefire-implementation/



As the Hamas also joined the battle - it would appear the U.S. had embraced two of Israel's worst enemies.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/25/world/middleeast/hamas-leader-supports-syrian-opposition.html?_r=0

GAZA —A leader of Hamas spoke out against President Bashar al-Assad of Syria on Friday, throwing its support behind the opposition and stripping Damascus of what little credibility it may have retained with the Arab street. It was Hamas’s first public break with its longtime patron.

Although the word terrorist has the opposite definition as euphemism (nice word for) to be fighting on the same side as two groups in bitter opposition to  the U.S. seems to be an act of serious confusion.

The United States current administration is having somewhat of an identity crisis in befriending groups that they are fighting against  in other countries.

Now as Russia comes to in to play the "voice of reason" and the good guy fighting Israel's enemies is it any wonder Israel may be getting a little confused as to which side they are on?

This is becoming a public relations disaster, which seems to be the name of some game as Isis becomes very vocal and puts out a lot of videos. The media is a sword and for the moment-
America's picture is no longer one of a caped crusader for truth, justice, and the American way - but in alliance with people that basically hate them.

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Russia fighter jets arrive in Syria
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comment: The Pentagon says that Russian fighter jets have arrived in Syria. This  increases the possibility of U.S. / Russian conflict.  The ending to this video is very intense.  There should be no biased in reporting and this in my thinking, clouds the rest of the video  - but I have posted it as it was found on the net. 

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http://debka.com/article/24909/A-Chinese-aircraft-carrier-docks-at-Tartus-to-support-Russian-Iranian-military-buildup-

As US President Barack Obama welcomed Chinese President Xi Jinping to the White House on Friday, Sept. 25, and spoke of the friendship between the two countries, the Chinese aircraft carrier Liaoning-CV-16 docked at the Syrian port of Tartus, accompanied by a guided missile cruiser. This is revealed exclusively byDEBKAfile.
Beijing is not finding it hard to dance at two weddings, wooing the US for better relations, while at the same time backing Russia in its military intervention in Syria. Coupled with the warm smiles and handshakes exchanged at the lavish reception on the White House lawn, Beijing was clearly bent on showing muscle – not just in the South China Sea, but by allying itself with the Russian-Iranian political and military buildup in support of Syrian President Bashar Assad and his regime.   
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The following attack is not against Isis (or the U.S. admins persistent term Isil) It is against the rebel forces and there are no Isis troops anywhere in sight or nearby. Seeing as we are backing the rebels with air operations it is inevitable there will be an exchange of fire between U.S. fighter jets and Russians not if but when.

It is highly unlikely we can maintain any type of combat presence supporting a group the Russians are attacking. Also Iran troops have now moved in to fight beside the Russians. This is an accident waiting to happen.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RhyJ0cn1Os



Second video uploaded by independent news source
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Film posted on net by activists - shows that civilians were hit. Some info is stating there were no Isis units nearby. Most of the area in one video claimed as an Isil target was controlled by the Free Syrian Army. All of the casualties in one bombing were civilians - some of them children.

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A large number of independent journalists and videos are depicting events which are the opposite of claims and formal news releases.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Coalition_for_Syrian_Revolutionary_and_Opposition_Forces

This group represents the majority of countries who are united in trying to remove Assad from power. Some military forces have been mobilized off the coast of Syria.

comment: Despite the discussion fighter jets are moving to the areas which will likely be bombing or fighting is some of the same areas. In same ways, it may be a reality that despite the clicking of glasses and toasts - a very dangerous situation if forming for a possible conflict.


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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-01/mid-east-coup-russia-pounds-militant-targets-iran-readies-ground-invasions-while-sau

Iran will deliver "boots on the ground" both in Syria and Iraq. Russia and China send in their airforce and "advisors". 

For Russia this "intervention" is meant as a sign that they want to be taken serious (by the US/NATO and others). Also China wants to make clear that they can fight if they think that that is needed (they choose to fight over the South China Sea in the Middle East-the signal should be loud and clear). 

I understand also Egypt (more or less) is on the side of Russia/China. Saudi Arabia/Gulf States only can handle if they get support from NATO/US. But Turkey is divided and on its way to new elections. Things are on the move.

The propagandawar http://wtfrly.com/2015/10/01/syria-aid-groups-use-same-photo-wounded-child-assad-russia/#.Vg17WXrtmko Western media have a lot of pictures they can use. 
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The future of journalism and news reporting will be independent smaller news versus the literal choke hold of controlled media.  Formal news releases during the Syrian Conflict Crises - are not accurate. There are a lot of intelligence "advisers" in Syria and it is likely they have been hit or will be in the near future. No one is coordinating air strikes under the rebel forces really and the odds of a bad incident loom larger. You just can't have all this military power with attacks by Russia on possible American and other nations in the area without serious problems.

We are not in a courtroom and lawyer type tactics are impotent in the face of powerful military forces and fighters. We are watching history unfold and there is reason for serious concern here. Thank you to Cips for this which did have 0 views and now has 224.


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American NATO bombs are stabilizing Syria, Russian bombs are destabilizing Syria.... Al Qaeda is "moderate opposition" that should replace Assad.... weak story, not convincing. 

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Although some of the videos I am posting are being pulled or blocked, some independents still remain up. I am getting into some fierce debates with some users as to what is happening in Syria currently and the politics of the Obama - Putin Drama as per who is the most powerful or doing the right thing.

We are on the verge of a possible nuclear war.  If nothing else, it is a not lose face situation with Russia attacking United States and allies in their supported positions with some attacks on areas where there are no Isis members present and groups of intelligence from CIA, Mossad,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mossad  and MI6 are present and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_Intelligence_Service
for years there have been not so secret operations in the Middle East and other areas of the world involving "advisers" in the absence of military forces fighting. This was also true of Russia as U.S. attacked Baghdad that fled to Syria and were fired on as they tried to escape. 

The U.S. is "considering military force" in defending its positions in Syria and this could result in an exchange which could result in a declaration of war. Chinese warships are headed towards the area and China could also become involved. How could there be a "limited" declaration of war to fight only in the region which would not lead to a global conflict? To the people I continue to debate on the net ,those in the media and commentators who are releasing editorials  while others are supporting my thoughts I have been posting  on this since day one, this is not about Obama and Putin. 

It is about a moral situation where weapons of mass destruction i.e. barrel gas bombs have been used against civilians to retake areas where other normal military methods were failing. There can be no justification for the use of weapons of mass destruction or the defense of those doing so.

This is not about the 2016 U.S. election and what candidates are saying is irrelevant in that none of them may ever make it to office. Who cares what they think when the reality is a conflict happening now they have no say in or power to do anything about?  Although a nuclear exchange may not occur in Syria, it may make powerful nations more bold in other areas when forces will clash and a real possibility of the use of limited tactical nukes exists.

Not a day at a time now - we watch by the hour- and the situation grows worse. God help us all to avoid a war in which no one wins.

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Although most Western journalists have never been in this area - the battle continues and has been raging. First hand reports of the use of barrel bombs and gas - weapons of mass destruction against civilians.  The Real News.

 
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This is a clip from President's Press statement as of 4 pm. EST 10/2/15 United States

What is positive is some efforts are being made to prevent a direct military conflict between jets as Syrian Army positions are being attacked by Russia and Iran. No matter what is being stated U.S. forces and those of several other nations are off the coast of Syria as well as battleships coming from China.

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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-02/theyre-hopping-mad-us-and-saudi-arabia-russian-strikes-syria-spark-epic-western-medi 

"The terrible Russians are killing civilians in Syria with bad bombs while the US has "good bombs"that only kill bad guys". Is the western media totally idiotic ? 

More intelligent questions should be how reactions on this Russian and Chinese (forgotten in western media http://www.debka.com/article/24926/Chinese-warplanes-to-join-Russian-air-strikes-in-Syria-Russia-gains-Iraqi-air-base) intervention will look like. 

The EU can expect 1.2 million refugees from the Middle East. They would welcome stability in that Middle East to stop the influx. If Russia and China can fix "that problem" in 4 months http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-02/russia-says-syria-air-raids-last-3-4-months-moscow-releases-new-videos-strikes  I think that will be welcomed. 

Israel did know what to expect from Assad, an "armed peace/cold war" co-existence. If they can talk with Russia to keep Iran and Hezbollah away from Israels borders Israel might be better of with stabilization. Jordan and Egypt want an end to the unrest.

The (royal) dictators in the Gulf States that are sponsoring IS and refuse to take any responsibility for refugees because that would destabilize their rule have a big problem. They are confronted with a two front war. In the north the wars in Iraq and Syria will move south when Iran moves in with their army, supported by Russian and Chineese Air Force. In the south Jemen Houthi-rebels are moving into Saudi Arabia (backed by Iran). 

Turkey has elections within a few months. The wars in Syria and Iraq were not popular with most of the Turkish citizens. The AK-party is held responsible by a lot of Turks for escalating those wars, giving support to IS. The Alevite and Kurdish minorities demand change. 

The US is losing support by claiming that Al Nusra/Al Quaeda are "moderate alternatives" for Assad. If Russia/China can stop IS(IS) in months what has the US been doing all the time. http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/10/02/431696/US-Russia-Syria Russia and China want the US/NATO to pay for the damage their "products"IS(IS) Al Qaeda/Al Nusra did. 

Russia is invited by Iraq to start bombing IS from a base that is also in use by the US air force. 
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@Medclinician, I do not think this crisis will escalate to World War 3. My impression is that to coalition of Russia-China and Iran is a "take over" and the US has lost this battle. Any further action by the US (without much support) will worsen the situation for the U.S. 

The best thing for the U.S. to do is start talking about the future of the Middle East. It is in nobody's interest to start a war between the US and Gulf-corrupt-states and the Russian-China-Iran-Iraq-Syria (and Egypt, Jemen etc.) coalition.

If Russia/China and Iran succeed in Iraq and Syria their next step could be "invited stabilization"of Afghanistan. Maybe also west of Jemen, Somalia, might be "of their interest". If the US/NATO do not want that it is time to take action there. (Russian propaganda channel http://southfront.org/ on Iran  groundoffensive http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-03/largest-us-foreign-policy-blunder-vietnam-complete-iran-readies-massive-syrian-groun
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Meanwhile - as we watch the gathering storm in the Middle East

http://www.indrastra.com/2015/09/IM-Chinese-Military-Experts-Troops-Deployment-to-Syria-251.html

The situation is heating up in Syria yet again. If reports coming from Almasdar News are accurate, another troop deployment will soon be about to take place – in addition to the 2,000 Russian troops who arrived earlier this week. This time, however, the troops are coming from China. Leith Fadel of Almasdar News (the Arab Source), reported that China has now decided to commit troops and military aircraft to Syria within the next six weeks. Although the reports have not been independently confirmed, the outlet cited a senior Syrian officer in the Syrian military for the claims regarding the Chinese plans. Fadel’s information has proven accurate many times in the past.
On Tuesday, September 22, 2015, early morning, a Chinese naval vessel reportedly traveled through Egypt’s Suez Canal to enter the Mediterranean Sea; its destination was not confirmed.However, according to a senior officer in the Syrian Arab Army (SAA) that is stationed inside the Syrian coastal city of Latakia, Chinese military personnel and aerial assets are scheduled to arrive in the coming weeks (6 weeks) to the port-city of Tartous – he could not provide anymore detail.

Also, Russia's Defence Ministry on Thursday said it will hold naval drills in the "east Mediterranean" in September and October, as the West frets over a military buildup by Moscow in Syria.The exercises include three warships from Russia's Black Sea Fleet, including the Saratov landing ship, the Moskva guided missile cruiser and the Smetlivy destroyer, the ministry said in a statement. The drills will involve "40 combat exercises, including rocket and artillery fire at sea and airborne targets," the statement said. The Moskva cruiser, the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet, left its base in Crimea on Thursday September 24, 2015 and is now heading to the exercises, the Ministry added separately.
Russia has made it abundantly clear that they are taking an active role in this conflict, but the news of the Chinese military to Syria provides more insight into their contingency.There is clearly a mutual threat shared between Syria and China with both countries under attack from Uyghur terrorists who are typically controlled by Turkish and Western intelligence. China’s growing Uyghur separatists movement in Xinjang, recent bombings in  to Turkey’s Uyghur “Grey Wolves,” and Turkistan Islamic Party/Army of Conquest Turkish-backed terrorists at work in Syria assisting in the supplying Chinese Uyghur terrorists with fake passports and engaging in terrorist/military operations against the Syrian government, all represent a threat that exists both to the existence of the Assad government in Syria and the government in China.


comment: There is a massive - we are talking tens of thousands of posts on the net at least - of fairly inaccurate bantering rants concerning this incident.  There are so many blatant untruths in recent press releases it is very difficult to sort out what is happening in Syria or has happened over the last few years. The first extraction needed is all the Obama and Putin rhetoric in terms of who is the wimp and who is the tough guy. No one cares. This international flexing of muscles is only creating a cluster-whatever in Syria.  With China headed there with not just ships but troops, Russia there also with forces from Iran, and so called surgical strikes on areas occupied in part by Americans - it is a mess.

For one, no matter how honed the strike, if you only give someone 3 hours notice or else they will be vaporized, that really is not going to prevent carnage.

As Christian as I am - what is not needed at this point is blasts of Apocalyptic verses and the inability to step back and see this in a tactical perspective.  Simply

1) The Assad regime was a horror story to many who were killed by barrel bombs and chlorine gas. This was done because they were losing cities and it was the only way to get the rebels out.  In a civilized world there is a limit to the kinds of weapons you can use, the way POWs and civilians are treated and what is genocide or should be stopped.

2) There are no Good Guys anymore. Supporting horror story attacks against women and children or supporting terrorists who sometimes eat and behead their victims - are not good options.  America had their chance to go in and mop up. With stronger leadership, they would have.

3) When and if the Apocalypse comes and the bombs fly - prophets will not get any gold stars or brownie points for being right. As was once said "All are punished." Romeo and Juliet - Shakespeare

There is one truism that is understood and has been for thousands of years. Although war is terrible and fighting for freedom is life threatening, no one respects weakness.  Sitting around talking and negotiating has never stopped a World War yet. At their outbreak, especially World War II they were talking peace.

What is truly amazing is that everyone in the U.S. had their chance to vote and choose.  The only people they have to blame for the incredibly bad situations are themselves.

Someone needs a show stopper here - an unexpected turn of events - and the U.S. needs it the most of all. In fact it needs more than an event, it needs a miracle. If you want to pray for something - and are in the U.S. and belong to any religion or group that prays - pray for that.

Day by day - War in Syria - basically out of control.

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Because developments go fast in the Middle East for those interested some sites that could provide information between their propaganda. A short term agenda for the coming weeks seems to be that Russia and China "deal" with Syria and Iraq. Iran will become the regional "leading state"but only because China/Russia want that. 

On the longer term, based on the Asian Infrastructure Investing Bank, Shanghai Economic Treaty etc. Russia will be exporting for the coming 30 years oil/gas from Siberia to China and via China to Pakistan. Malaysia (Petro Nas(ional)) is also working on a pipeline to China. Russia will support China's claims in the South China Sea and China/Russia will support Iran in Jemen (Bahrein, Somalia, Afghanistan etc.)

http://www.globalresearch.ca/ Canada, very critical of US/NATO
http://www.veteranstoday.com/ US, very critical of US, NATO, Israel
http://www.debka.com/ Israel, military
http://southfront.org/ pro-russian "independent"
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http://english.cntv.cn/2015/10/04/VIDE1443933480317868.shtml New Silk Road plans for the long term and for EurAsia. The Chinese involvement military is just a small part of their long term (30 years) plan. China itself has coal in Manchuria but oil and gas can be found in the South and East China Sea. Pipelines from Russia, Malaysia, Pakistan of course also can be used to export from China to the rest of the world. Countries like Australia depended on exports to China. Also in Africa and Latin America China is a major investor (also buying real estate in Europe and North America). 
Que sera, sera, Whatever will be, will be, The future is not ours to see, Que sera, sera !
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