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Originally posted by Dutch Josh Dutch Josh wrote:

http://english.cntv.cn/2015/10/04/VIDE1443933480317868.shtml New Silk Road plans for the long term and for EurAsia. The Chinese involvement military is just a small part of their long term (30 years) plan. China itself has coal in Manchuria but oil and gas can be found in the South and East China Sea. Pipelines from Russia, Malaysia, Pakistan of course also can be used to export from China to the rest of the world. Countries like Australia depended on exports to China. Also in Africa and Latin America China is a major investor (also buying real estate in Europe and North America). 


We are losing ground and credibility in terms of the Syrian Crisis. As other nations step forward to fight Isis (by whatever name you wish to call it) it is clear that it is not a matter of choice for them, but necessity. Isis is a clear and dangerous threat to Russia, China, and many countries in the world. This is no regional skirmish in Iraq - this is a force which is establishing a power trying to unite Iraq, Syria, and recruiting fighters successfully from all over the world.

I still think if a nuke were launched on Assad it would cause a World War.  Yet, there is a real debate here as to whether the U.S. is going to take any aggressive action to stop Russia at this point or even Iran who is fighting in Iraq.

The U.S. could lose their position as the #1 super power on Earth. If I were in a position to do anything, which I will never be, I would recommend pulling our forces to the U.S., consolidating our strength and fixing our economy and to try and at least work with other countries as a partner rather than a super star.  It will take time to win back trust and respect and credibility. The current administration will never have that again and we will be lucky if the next one does.

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It would appear to me some people in the media and the governments in the world are getting seriously confused and very uninformed.
For one the word ISIS means something. It isn't just a convenient term that was changed to ISIL or IS
The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL; Arabic: الدولة الإسلامية في العراق والشام‎), also known as the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS, /ˈsɨs/) or the Islamic State of Iraq and ash-Sham,[29] Islamic State (IS),[30] or Daesh (داعش, Arabic pronunciation: [ˈdaːʕiʃ]),[31] is a Salafi jihadist extremist militant group and self-proclaimed Islamic state and caliphate, which is led by and mainly composed of Sunni Arabs from Iraq and Syria.[32] As of March 2015, it has control over territory occupied by ten million people[33] in Iraq and Syria, and has nominal control over small areas of Libya, Nigeria and Nangarhar Province in eastern Afghanistan.[34] The group also operates or has affiliates in other parts of the world, including South Asia.[35][36]

On 29 June 2014, the group renamed itself ad-Dawlah al-Islāmiyah (الدولة الإسلامية, "Islamic State" (IS)) and declared it a worldwide caliphate.[37][62][63] Accordingly, the "Iraq and Shām" was removed from all official deliberations and communications, and the official name became the Islamic State from the date of the declaration. The name "Islamic State" and the claim of a caliphate have been widely criticised, with the UN, various governments, and mainstream Muslim groups refusing to use it.[61][64][65][66][67][68][69][70]


Before the January offensive against ISIS, ordinary residents across rebel areas held massive anti-ISIS protests, inspiring mainstream Syrian rebels to form new coalitions that took the fight to the extremists. These outgunned rebels succeeded where well-armed Iraqi troops failed because they’re fighting for a cause widely supported by the civilians behind them, and they’re fighting for their own land.

Had the Obama administration armed these rebels at their peak, instead of merely declaring repeatedly that Bashar al-Assad’s fall was inevitable, there would likely be no ISIS today. Two years ago, Syrian rebels were making gains against the regime by the day. ISIS didn’t exist, and Syrian al Qaeda affiliate Jabhat Nusra claimed at most 1,500 combatants.

But global al Qaeda supporters gave Nusra superior weapons and funding, a step Obama has yet to truly take on behalf of mainstream rebels. As a consequence, Nusra grew stronger, and was later surpassed by the even more radical ISIS.

Syrian rebels are fighting a true two-front war. As they threatened ISIS’ main headquarters in January, Assad launched a vicious campaign of air raids on them that virtually emptied the largest city in northern Syria of civilians. That assault saved ISIS.

Now, after the fall of Mosul, regime bombers have finally launched air raids on the ISIS headquarters — but air power alone can’t really threaten it. Assad’s move is just a public-relations ploy — an effort to get Washington to support the regime as the best hope of stopping ISIS.

More relevant are events in eastern Syria: The ISIS attack on Mosul was launched from eastern Syria, in particular from the banks of the Khabur River, which was in Syrian rebel hands as recently as three months ago.

Now ISIS has returned to Syria with the US-made weapons it looted from Mosul, and threatens the city of Deir Ezzor, the largest population center in eastern Syria and a longtime rebel stronghold. If ISIS takes Deir Ezzor, it could launch an ever more catastrophic assault on Baghdad or southern Iraq without fear of attacks from its rear. Deir Ezzor City is now under a de facto joint siege by ISIS forces in the north and Assad forces in the south.

comment: The problem is that many of these "terrorist organizations" were created to help the U.S. fight Russia or other countries.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/09/sleeping-with-the-devil-how-u-s-and-saudi-backing-of-al-qaeda-led-to-911.html

It is clear that there is a threat not just to the region, but to the world. Other countries are realizing that this is serious and the flooding of refugees from the war torn country is a huge threat to their national security and could bring the war inside with outbreaks in their large cities.

We are on the verge of a Holy War - but the now it is one where the fighters are not necessarily religious or even inspired to fight in the name of God in any form. They will fight a godless war against those heavily motivated and willing to commit suicide in their attacks.

The price for all these covert operations is about to be paid and the option of an open cooperation of other countries to fight may be more appealing than adviser wars from the shadows.


A Holy war without both declaring that God is on their side... that would be a first in history.

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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-05/syria-ground-war-imminent-us-accuses-russia-launching-syrian-land-campaign Medclinician, I fully agree with you on the importance of the escalation of the war(s) in the middle east. 

Islamic State is also active in the Sinaï, (Egypt) and in Libya. Al Nusra has 3000 fighters in the Ukrain. Jihadi's come from Chechinia and Eastern China (also somefrom southern Thailand, Philipinas, and the largest muslim-country Indonesia)

But (as always) these wars are economic based and use religion as an excuse. The sunni-shia-conflict is a conflict that is very widespread. The wars for pipelines and oil/gas are in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria. To make things worse there is also a watercrisis in the whole region. 

Russia and China are in these conflicts for energy but also they do not accept the US as the "only superpower" any longer. Saudi Arabia wants to dominate the Middle East but find Iran (and Egypt-the largest population in the Arab Worl both Iran and Egypt +80 million) on its path.
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Once in a galaxy far far away - strange how people can forget things
http://www.jpost.com/Syria-Crisis/Expert-US-led-attack-on-Syria-may-lead-to-increased-Russian-cooperation-with-Iran-324368
Russia warned Western powers on Monday against any military intervention in Syria, saying the use of force without a United Nations mandate would violate international law. Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said Moscow had no plans to be drawn into a military conflict over the civil war in Syria and that Washington and its allies would be repeating “past mistakes” if they intervened in Syria.

Ariel Cohen, a senior research fellow at the US think tank the Heritage Foundation, told The Jerusalem Post in an interview on Monday that in response to an attack on their Syrian ally, Russia could “expand supply of dual use nuclear technology” to Iran as its nuclear energy company, Rosatom, is anxious to sell more reactors.

If the Syrians have the Russian P-800 supersonic anti-ship cruise missile or the advanced S-300 anti-aircraft missile system or other sophisticated equipment deployed, “they may use them to shoot at NATO or Western forces involved in these operations,” said Cohen.

The worst case scenario, which Cohen emphasizes, has a low probability, would be that an attack would lead Russia to go on a nuclear alert for the first time since the end of the Cold War.


comment: This was posted by Ariel Ben Solomon  8/27/2013
Russia warned Western powers on Monday against any military intervention in Syria, saying the use of force without a United Nations mandate would violate international law

What part of this is unclear?

Currently there are Chinese warships headed for the area with troops. There are Iranian troops fighting and it is only because warships don't fly that there are not a group of more ships armed with nuclear missiles in addition to what is already there.

He believes that if it is proved that chemical weapons were used by Syria, Russia would seriously review its position on Syria.

There is indisputable evidence that chemical weapons were used by the  Assad regime.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10796175/Syria-chemical-weapons-the-proof-that-Assad-regime-launching-chlorine-attacks-on-children.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2mJhdrPC2w
(security is on this video- so you will have to go to the site to view it)



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http://www.globalresearch.ca/a-useful-prep-sheet-on-syria-for-media-propagandists/5480226

Here are some State Department talking points on Syria for cable news anchors:

1) Keep mentioning the barrel bombs. Do not mention how their use was pioneered by the Israeli Air Force in 1948, and how they were used by the US Air Force in Vietnam in Operation Inferno in 1968. Keep repeating, “barrel bombs, barrel bombs” and stating with a straight face that the Syrian regime is using them “against its own people.” Against its own people. Against its own people. Against its own people.


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-06/russia-plotting-bring-down-opec

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Update October 7, 2015 5:15 a.m. PST

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-russia-airstrikes-syria-20151007-story.html


A Syrian official says a ground offensive has been launched in central regions of the country amid intense shelling and Russian airstrikes.

The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity in line with regulations, said the operations are concentrated in the neighboring provinces of Hama and Idlib.

Activists and rebels say Syrian troops backed by Russian airstrikes battled insurgents in central Syria on Wednesday in the first major ground fighting since Moscow began launching air raids on militants last week.

The Russian airstrikes appear to have emboldened Syrian troops to launch a ground offensive after suffering a string of setbacks in northwestern Syria over the past few months.

The Islamic State group is not present in the areas where the fighting is underway.

comment: This is not playing out the way the U.S. had expected and it is rapidly becoming a powder keg which could explode. In layman's terms, just as Russia invaded Afghanistan and got their butt kicked by U.S. supported rebels force(who literally created the Mujahideen (Arabic: المجاهدين‎) )

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mujahideen

it was hoped this would involve them in another Russian Vietnam.

It was thought by some advisers this would be a military quagmire in which Isis would emerge and prevail. This is not what is happening at all. It is is not like Russia has it all figured out but they are benefiting from a comedy of errors in U.S. foreign policy. 

If we do not get some boots on the ground in Syria - the U.S. and the N.A.T.O coalition are going to wind up spectators to an event which may turn the tide of history. 

This is played to the tune of "We are not going to do this." So far, almost every thing the Russians have said they would not do, they are doing. It is just a shot away from attacking Americans in a Syrian Army area and creating the first military casualties and/or jet shot down.

One does not need to get all biblical and apocalyptic about this. It is a truism that if at one point in Iran troops get too active near Israel there is going to be a war.

fact - this ship is off the coast of Syria

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_submarine_Dmitri_Donskoi_TK-208

Iran troops in Syria

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Update 7:15 a.m. 10/7/15

Russian warships attack ISIS positions in Syria from Caspian Sea


Would like to tell the AFT readers and others coming to this thread what is happening here is far more than what I thought would happen when I started this thread.  The resources we now have on the Internet for tracking and literally bypassing the mainstream media are like none we have ever had in history. There are a few ground rules I have set for myself as I continue to post on this and I would like to share those with you now.

1) no currently military footage that would compromise the national security of any nation - this includes positions of craft or troops which has not already hit the mainstream media. This is difficult in that there are independent sources now going online which I consider chilling and deeply disturbing.

2) nothing apocalyptic or last days - while I am Christian, things can get crazy fast as far as reading verses and predicting a nuclear war.  It is possible. The fire power is there and yet there is really no purpose to "summoning the flock" because they really have nowhere to go. It has been said the Second Coming was imminent since 56 A.D. or sooner. We have prophecies every new millennium, eclipses, or whenever someone gets a vision.  Faith is a personal thing.

3) No heavily sided propaganda. Obviously the lines read differently from the Western nations, Russia, China, and the Middle East. Israel invaded Palestine and their country nearly 3,000 years ago and they have been fighting ever since and probably will be until one or both are dead. Western Journalists lie - formal press releases from many superpowers are not accurate and the bottom line is - trying to step back and see what is really happening is hard.

So with that said - Russia is now using long range ICBMs to attack Syria. These are the big guns. They are flying more than 1,000 miles from the Caspian Sea and this is far more than bombing attacks and small troop skirmishes.

When is the last time Russia was firing ICBMS?  When was the last time the U.S. was?
What will happen if they both begin firing them at the same time?



comment:  4 warships 26 missiles - this was released by the Russian Defense Ministry
this is pretty exclusive on the net. Not finding this on any of the main Western media networks...
Rechecking date and data

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Published on Oct 7, 2015
Four Russian Navy warships have fired a total of 26 missiles at the position of the terrorist group Islamic State in Syria, Russia’s Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu announced. The missiles were fired from the Caspian Sea.



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http://www.planbeconomics.com/2015/10/under-guise-of-safety-us-orders-fighter.html and http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-07/syrian-crisis-what-will-happen-next 

This is becoming a war between Russia and China on the one side and the US on the other side. It is about one "super power"the US or a "multi-polar"world in wich China, Russia are equal to the US. 

Wars are only possible when banks invest in them. Always only a very small group benefits from the wars. Putin has interests in Gazprom, Joe Biden son is involved in fracking in the Ukrain. Dutch and UK "royals" are the main shareholders of "Royal Dutch"Shell. 

http://thebulletin.org/timeline the doomsday clock might be getting closer to 12.

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Russian and Chinese weapons in Syria http://uk.businessinsider.com/the-tanks-russia-is-sending-to-syria-2015-9?r=US&IR=T

The Jewish community in Iran https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Jews In Israel there is also a large group with Russian background. In World War 2 the Red Soviet Army had a Jewish armygroup. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_language_in_Israel


https://www.rt.com/news/317989-afghanistan-isis-train-russians/ Islamic State is training militants from Russia in Afghanistan as part of its efforts to expand into Central Asia, a senior Russian diplomat told a security conference in Moscow. He added that US and UK passport holders are among the instructors.
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Of course there is also a point in Russia, China, Iran willing to take a marketshare for modern weapons. 

The Russian Orthodox Church is behind Putin in his attemp to save Syrian Orthodox Christians in Syria and Iraq. Proberbly also the Egyptian Christian minority was wondering what "the west" was doing. 

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http://debka.com/article/24926/Chinese-warplanes-to-join-Russian-air-strikes-in-Syria-Russia-gains-Iraqi-air-base

Russia’s military intervention in Syria has expanded radically in two directions. debkafile’s military and intelligence sources report that China sent word to Moscow Friday, Oct. 2, that J-15 fighter bombers would shortly join the Russian air campaign that was launched Wednesday, Sept. 30. Baghdad has moreover offered Moscow an air base for targeting the Islamic State now occupying large swathes of Iraqi territory
Russia’s military intervention in Syria has five additional participants: China, Iran, Iraq, Syria and Hizballah.

The J-15 warplanes will take off from the Chinese Liaoning-CV-16 aircraft carrier, which reached Syrian shores on Sept. 26 (as debkafile exclusively reported at the time). This will be a landmark event for Beijing: its first military operation in the Middle East as well the carrier’s first taste of action in conditions of real combat.

Thursday night, China’s foreign minister Wang Yi, made this comment on the Syrian crisis at a UN Security Council session in New York: “The world cannot afford to stand by and look on with folded arms, but must also not arbitrarily interfere (in the crisis).”

comment: With Chinese warships off the coast of Syria soon and J-15 bombers in Syria, this is rapidly becoming a growing alliance of super powers. The reason is fairly clear as to why in that IS in some form has groups in both countries which are a threat.

http://thediplomat.com/2014/09/china-and-the-isis-threat/

Yet whether or not IS poses a real and immediate threat to the population in Xinjiang, Beijing is likely to give the go-ahead soon to use the perceived threat as justification to intensify their crackdown on the Uighur population. Uighur exile groups already complain Beijing overstates the threat from terrorism, falsely portraying riots as premeditated terror attacks. However, determining the extent of any threat, and what actually transpires on the ground, is difficult given constraints on foreign journalists operating in Xinjiang and delays in reporting from Chinese state media.

http://www.jewsnews.co.il/2015/04/12/isis-is-a-real-threat-to-russia-yes-its-real/

“The threat from ISIS is real because quite a lot of citizens from the Shanghai Cooperation Organization(SCO) are taking part in its activities,” deputy director of Russia’s Federal Security Service told reporters Friday after a session of the SCO’s regional anti-terror body.

General Sergey Smirnov added that law enforcement agencies possessed information on about 1,700 Russian citizens fighting in Iraq on the side of Sunni extremists. “The danger of ISIS is also in their ability to infiltrate other terrorist groups,” he added. In particular, the terrorists have demonstrated interest in the Imarat Caucasus group and some of its leaders have already pledged loyalty to ISIS, Smirnov said.

Officials in Tajikistan have estimated the number of the Central Asian country’s citizens fighting on ISIS’s side at about 300, the Russian general said. The overall number of people from post-Soviet Central Asian republics who are fighting for ISIS could be up to 4,000, he added, referring to data provided by the International Research Group for Crisis Regions.

comment: No one sends out jets, ground troops or warships for no reason. IS is a clear and present threat to both Russia and China. This is not simply a political sideshow of muscle flexing and routine battle drills - they will be fighting side by side.

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The Western journalists as well as some of the intelligence operations have greatly underestimated the ability of Russia to pull this off and also draw support from other countries. This could be a costly mistake and unless U.S. Congress gets on top of this - weakness in foreign policy may put the U.S. in a spectator seat and forbidden enter the area by naval blockage as well, as on the ground and into the airspace.

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Contrapoint - Will this turn into a fiscal and military nightmare for those who have joined to fight Isis? 

For one thing right now jets are attacking, some ground troops are there, and missiles are being launched a thousand miles away. If the battleground moves to Iraq where U.S. military forces are and where Iranian troops are, then things will rapidly develop.  Iraq is heavily occupied by IS who has taken oil fields and resources and is funding the operation as probably the largest bankrolled extreme religious faction in history.  They are assembling not a small group of fighters, but an army, and people are defecting even from the U.S. which has not been successful in stopping its youth and those who are traitors to America from fighting against our own troops in the Middle East.

There have been multiple operations in which people have been caught trying to sell nuclear weapons to IS and terrorist groups. Despite the hype about where they have been said to be available, there were reports of open markets in Bulgaria and also U.A.E. A main source of these nuclear weapons or plutonium came from warheads and materials taken during the breakup of the Soviet Union.

The war theater is fighting a war against extremist Muslims still one of the worst group of moving targets and forces often in hiding. This is not as true in Syria where specific targets are being hit by ICBMs launched from the Caspian Sea.

The U.S. and allied forces dreaded trying to take Baghdad with almost 5 brigades of Republican Guard which eventually disappeared. The massive influx of manpower,the Republican Guard had once expanded to over 25 brigades which were led by loyal officers drawn from the Iraqi military. A house by house ground assault could have been bad. However skilled the special forces of Russia or China might be - you still have people who live in the North in a cold climate fighting people used to 120 degree desert.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/weather/baghdad-iraq-hottest-city-world-temperatures-120-degrees-n401601 
And it has felt as hot as 159 degrees.

Granted many are mercenaries, but some are still locals and used to the climate Just as Hitler perished trying to fight the Russians on their own turf, the Northern warriors on foot may have a rough time against elusive desert fighters who could have chemical weapons of their own.

This is probably the scenario the U.S. and some others hope will play out with a dismal defeat of the entire anti IS operation setting Russia back 20 years and the U.S. looking the wiser of the two.

Never mistake silence for stupidity or inaction for ignorance. At the same time we have all these voices yelling to get in there and put in troops - eventually there will be body bags, jets shot down, and casualties- that is the reality of interfering and fighting in another country - it still could turn into a real disaster for Russia.

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Russian missiles have hit Iran.  I am still trying to get footage of the missiles which are way off target and have struck Iran. Reports are coming in but still no word if there have been Iranian civilian casualties.

Also more information is coming in the targets other than IS are being hit in the new military attacks in Syria. It is difficult to conceive ICBM's could be so off target they would strike another country when these are supposed to be surgical IS strikes.

Searching the net for film footage - this is the best I have found released only hours ago.





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http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/610286/China-preparing-to-team-up-with-Russia-in-Syria-Boost-for-Putin-in-battle-against-ISIS

Russian media followed that up by quoting Igor Morozov, a member of the Russian Federation Committee on International Affairs, confirming Chinese aircraft carrier, Lianoning, and a guided missile cruiser were heading to the area, and adding Chinese military advisers were already in the region.

Mr Morozov said: "It is known that China has joined our military operation in Syria.

"The Chinese cruiser has already entered the Mediterranean, followed by its aircraft carrier."

These reports have not been verified by China and satellite images show the Syrian port of Tartus, currently empty. 

However, China come under threat from ISIS in recent months increasing the theory an attack is in the pipeline.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.678516

Also the first weapons being sold by Russia http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/10/07/iraq-saudi-arabia-to-buy-1500-russian-infantry-fighting-vehicles/

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Although CNN has been scrambling to keep up - they remain almost a day behind  on the events in Syria. This footage was released days ago and the French are actively bombing Syria.  It appears that nation after nation is moving in to take part in the Syrian war without any real coordination.  There is still a hope, I believe, by the Americans that these actions by the Soviets will turn bad and as they begin to try and IS will begin pouring in from Iraq and surrounding areas. The primary focus is not IS, it is the revolutionary forces against Assad and to establish a stronghold in the Middle East to control the region.

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Did Russian ICBMS crash in Iran?  It truly amazes me how the tail wags the dog. Basically you can trust few of the major news providers for accurate news.  However there is always
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I am trying to get this off the ground and it is certainly not easy.

Okay - what do we have?

Little noticed regional press reports on Wednesday mentioned an “unidentified flying object” that had crashed near the town of Takab close to the border with Iraq. A report in Oyan News cited the governor of Takab describing the crash of a “drone” near the village of Qiz Qapan in the early morning hours.

Images posted by Oyan News on Thursday in several structures in the village which matched initial descriptions provided by witnesses.

Wednesday’s launch marked the first use of Russian cruise missiles in combat.

These are a new type of missile and the U.S. had some serious issues with ICBMS when it first began test new ones. Even the Patriot missile had some dismal failures in intercepting Scuds and it is not unlikely that a few of the new Russian missile which were much less powerful or deadly than others now in subs off the coast of Syria could have crashed.

One should bear in mind the denial by Russia they would be engaging in any attacks and then later putting boots on the ground in Syria and attacking not only IS targets but rebels as well kind of ruins credibility of both statements. Both are now in place, and Chinese  warships and troops are moving to do the same. I just documented this morning French air missions in Syria and both CNN and Fox are really scrambling to keep up with the sheer power of independent news and youtube.  Never have so many had so much Internet raw power to find data.

It is the wave of the future, an independent news carrier i.e. CWN could eventually flow in from private reporters with their smart phones with some footage that is truly exclusive as some run after troops risking their lives under fire.

Really how would one break the choke hold of filtered and controlled media which is often blatantly false and misleading?

So now we are at "the U.S. made it up to make the Russians look like they are using old inferior weapons."  This could prove to be a bad miscalculation in that the Russian has new missile batteries which are going to Iran and could prove a formidable problem for U.S. jets.

There is no love lost between Russia, Iran, and its would be allies. There is already trouble brewing in a vision of what is best for Russia and Assad not being a marriage made in heaven.

Have the Russians stepped into a quagmire that they will regret? Well this is not their brand of warfare dealing with terrorists in the hot desert. Military advisers will admit this is new and when anything is new, the margin for big mistakes is there.

Glossy PR does not a reality make. Assad was a major butcher of men, women, and children with toxic chlorine gas and barrel bombs. This genocide is not easily forgotten and would likely be repeated if any progress is made by the rebels... not IS.. but rebels.

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There are different stories about the Russian missiles from the Caspian Sea. Some claim those missiles (or at least a part of the number of missiles) ware over 30 years old. Other stories claim Russia (test)fired their newest missiles. I guess Russia/Putin is able to make things unclear by also sending missiles with the purpose to "crashland in Iran"? A smookscreen ? 


On US-China relations http://en.people.cn/n/2015/1010/c98649-8959874.html China is working on a railway from Bangkok (Thailand) via Laos to South China http://en.people.cn/n/2015/1010/c90000-8959856.html
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As long as the US prefers Al Qaeda above Assad in Syria the US policy in the Middle East is bound to fail. 

Russia and China have Israeli high tech in their modern weapons. The Chinese Chengdu J-10 warplane is a copy of the Israeli Lavi plane. (from wikipedia: The J-10 bears some resemblance to the IAI Lavi[12] and some news and technical articles have claimed that some of the Lavi's technology had been sold to China by the Israelis, these claims have been denied by both China and Israel.[13][14] The general designer Song Wencong said that J-10 was a development of the indigenous J-9 which preceded the Lavi.[15][16] This was echoed by a PLAAF's major Zhang Weigang in a 2012 interview.[17]) China might sell J-10 to Iran http://en.people.cn/n/2015/0813/c90000-8935125.html

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