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Techno, 

I did put a quastion mark with my scarlet fever-and complications- theory. My trust in politicians is "very limited". 


Some points we may agree up on;

-Putin may be willing to order to kill people (like May, Trump etc.)
-there are nerve agents
-there is also a lot of propaganda (from all sides)

Still for me several questions;

-why are the Skripal's still alive when the nerve agent is supposed to be that deadly ?
-who wants the Skripal(s) killed ? The motives-could it be he was involved in illegal trading ?
-could there be another cause of the Skripals health situation ? (Like-my suggestion-complications of scarlet fever-I do not know much of it-just asking)
-Of course Russia would create a screen of fog when they were behind an attack on a former (double)agent-but would a car accident, robbery or something "more normal" not be an easier way to get "a message"over ? 

I am not convinced in the MH17 case Russia did it, also the Skripal story does not convince me. In my view Russia may be involved but other scenario's are also possible.

On Syria, the story was that "moderate jihadi's" did get Libyan Sarin via Turkey/CIA-not that they made it themselves. In an earlier phase of the Syrian war I think Assad might have used chemical weapons. In the present phase of that war that kind of weapons would be counterproductive, work against him. 


Assad is supported by Russia and Iran. Turkey is fighting against the Kurds (both in Syria and Iraq) and anyone supporting them (US, France, Israel). Russia, Iran and China want to "deal" with IS (etc) because they consider those groups as a major risk for their country. The US ( and NATO) claims to be fighting IS (etc) since 2001 in Afghanistan, 2003 in Iraq, 2011 (or so) in Syria-but the "western action" did make IS become a major problem. 

Israel once did prefer IS above Iran on its borders. Yet several intelligence groups have their doubts on it by now.
 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Technophobe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2018 at 4:39am
Agreed on the: "Why still alive?" point - Russia is far more efficient, usually.  More evidence it was a breakaway faction.  Russian leaders can't admit to such things, as appearing strong is everything.

I am pretty sure it did come from Russia - all things considered.  But, the international backlash may be exactly what the perpetrators wanted.  Perhaps someone is after Putin's job.  This would be a good first step.
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More links on the Skripal-story (no doubt some of it may be called propaganda)

https://www.rt.com/uk/423429-skripal-mystery-novichok-spy/ Russian summary of the UK story-versions-novichok supposed to be very deadly and spread all over Salisbury ? (From the comments-would a victim of a nerve-agent attack end up in a NHS-hospital or another location ?)

http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/04/the-best-explanation-for-the-skripal-drama-is-food-poisoning.html DJ-My idea/suggestion as well-or a complication of a disease not well recognized. 
(DJ-The "good" thing in this scenario is that medical info was interpreted the wrong way-it was all a misunderstanding not a on purpose false-flag event.)


DJ- I do believe Russia-Putin-might be able to order an execution in the UK by secret agents. There have been many other cases of murders in an other country by several countries;
-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurgency_in_the_North_Caucasus Russia (some of it on Putin orders https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War much of the Russian approach then still recognizable in Syria now).

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Syria

DJ-Several links indicating US presence in East Syria becoming under pressure from both Turkey (and proxies) and Iran-backed groups. 


[/url]https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/they-are-here-for-the-turks-sdf-soldiers-talk-about-new-us-base-in-manbij-video/[/url]
(DJ-Russia may not want to get to much involved in Turkish-Kurdish conflict, concentrate on Damascus SW Syria.) https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201804071063314818-syria-us-iran-position/
DJ-The US wants to stop Iran in Syria (and Iraq) also "not happy with Russian forces in Syria" (but will avoid direct confrontation between US and Russian armies.)

Also uncertainty of some pro-Assad groups making plans for actions in/near the Golan Heights.  

Iraq

DJ-Erdogan did say he would attack Kurdish positions in Syria-Iraq border area https://iraq.liveuamap.com/en/2018/4-april-commander-qassem-shasho-yazidi-says-that-pkk-withdrawal

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Germany 

Three people killed by car driving into a crowd in Munster Germany (not far from Dutch border).

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Technophobe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 07 2018 at 2:49pm
I don't believe food poisoning either.  There is no evidential correlation between the two.  The relative's guesses sound fear motivated, not fact based. 

She is in Russia.  If Putin's tentacles can reach those in England, then Russia must be a riskier location  This still does not mean he was the direct source.  If a break away faction was behind the attack, then the iron fist of control has is even more greatly needed to prove his strength.
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DJ-There are several reports from the "army-of-Islam" in Douma (East Ghouta) of being attacked by the Syrian army with chemical weapons. Those reports came after pro-Assad forces did push the "jihadi-rebels" back to the citylimits. https://southfront.org/jaish-al-islam-is-ready-to-back-to-negotiations-as-syrian-army-advances-in-douma-map-video/ and https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/video-jaysh-al-islam-begs-for-ceasefire-following-major-army-advance/ (DJ-the chemical attack-claim is part of the propaganda-war- the may have reached another ceasefire https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/breaking-syrian-army-rebels-declare-ceasefire-in-east-ghoua/)

Western reaction:
https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2018/8-april-the-uk-foreign-office-has-called-for-an-urgent-investigation (DJ-The UK is happy that their Skripal story is not longer the main news; https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-07/skripal-gate-collapses-so-will-may-government DJ Starting Worl War 3 on a double case of food poisening would be pretty stupid !)

Eastern reaction:

Most likely the outcome is another war-of-words, maybe even more sanctions against Iran (end of Iran-deal) and Russia. China is left out of sanctions although also China is part of "Eastern coalition". The more sanctions from the west the stronger the coalition of "the east".

What "the west" keeps forgetting is that most countries slowly are moving away from "the west". The wars in Syria, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Afghanistan in most countries are seen as western anti-Islam agression. (Wich Israel, India may welcome).

Will Russia (Iran, China) tolerate any major western military action ? No-most likely they will give a very strong reaction. If the "west"does take action maybe via France or Israel-not the US or UK (maybe Danmark, Norway, Jordan, Netherlands may be used "to test the water"-will Russia shoot down a plane from such a country ? Will Russia attack the (Jordan) airbase ? 

The basic conflict is on the US uni-polar world versus the Russian/China multi-polar world, the US-petro$ or the China petro-Yuan ? 


The point is not the "Assad uses chemical weapons" nonsense the point is does the US want war with Russia (and Iran, China etc.) Such a war-in the worst scenario-will escalate very fast, will be very short, and will be the end of planet Earth. (It does not matter who was wrong or right when nobody is around any longer.)

Turkey

and https://iraq.liveuamap.com/en/2018/6-april-turkish-army-entered-19-kilometers-into-kurdistan DJ Turkey has its own agenda against the Kurds in Syria and Iraq-may confront any country that would support the Kurds. (US, France, Israel, UK)
Iran wants Turkey to leave Afrin-NW Syria, both Iran and Russia not in a position to stop Turkey from their limited actions (by proxy). A confrontation between Turkey and an other NATO country in the region is quite likely-possibly stay limited. (DJ-I do not expect the US starting up from Incerlik-airbase to bomb Ankara.....or was that the claim Turkey made over the coup-attempt ?)
 
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VT claims to know who used chemical weapons in Syria and how those weapons did get there. https://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/04/08/proof-intel-drop-trump-bolton-behind-syria-chemical-attacks-confirmed/


http://www.voltairenet.org/article200572.html East Ghouta "rebels" did take all the food starving East Ghouta citizens.

China Global Television Network quotes SANA
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oV5H_C-idvg&t=1s Israeli News Live trying to stay updated. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6xqOXORZ3s "Texas News Studio" also live-text)



DJ-If NATO attacks Damascus and other Syrian targets (to kill Assad a.o.) I think it will be tonight, the coming 12 hours.

This false flag event is planned months ago. To wait any longer would give Russia, Iran more time. I understand that the US military are against large scale attacks on Syria-they do not want war with Russia (for no good reasons). 

The western media is claiming "news"reported by alquada terrorists as proven facts. Shocking ! The (KSA funded) "army of Islam" was shelling Damascus-killing civilians. 

The present crisis could be used by others;
-Israel may attack Iran (with Saudi (and US, UK ?) aid.
-Turkey may invade (further parts of) Syria and Iraq
-IS (rearmed by the US) may start offensives in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan
(Not to mention India-Pakistan-China Kashmir-conflict, Russia moving into Ukraine when NATO attacks Syria)

Most likely Putin will call Trump, maybe even Xi will call-and warn-Trump. Russia also will warn Saudi Arabia, Israel not "to start something stupid". 

The news I am getting from both DefCon and Hal Turner is NOT GOOD !!!!

Both Russia, Syria,Iran and US,UK, (France, Israel) are preparing for war within hours. https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201804081063345299-photos-iraq-syria-us-coalition-convoy/

I hope some sanity may win....

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DJ; Should people be worried ? YES !!! Is it certain war will break out ? NO !!!

Both DefCon and Hal Turner coming with "Situation worse than Cuba-crisis: (1962)


In my opinion a major risk is (a) conflict getting out of control. Saudi Arabia attacking Iran targets, Turkey shelling Syrian Army positions, Israel attacking Hezbollah.

At this moment (2.09 AM in the morning in the Netherlands) most likely Russia, US, UK, etc may have had some sort of (maybe unfriendly) contact on their positions. But with so many players (and lunatics like Msb, Netanyahu, Boris & Bolton, Poroshenko, may) one wrong move could start "events".

Still even if there is "limited action" this does not mean "global war" for certain-could stay limited....
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https://www.debka.com/syria-claims-homs-air-base-hit-by-missile-pentagon-denies/ and 
DJ-Israel attacked Homs airbase, not far from Lebanese border-IS starts offensive-suggests coordination between IS and Israel. https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/update-battalions-of-syrian-army-reinforcements-sent-to-south-damascus-as-anti-isis-operation-nears-details/
DJ-Syria may have plans to start an offensive against IS and "rebels" east of the Golan-heights. Israel want to show it will not accept that.
Also by this action US knows how air defense works above Syria. Most likely US (and France, UK) preparing "actions". US has bases in Qatar with B1-B bombers, problem Qatar now works with Iran and Turkey wich also have military bases in Qatar.
Also the Encirlik-base in Turkey may not be used for a major attack on Syria-Turkey will not allow that.
US than has to operate from Jordan, Iraq, KSA.


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DJ-Israel attacked Iran/Hezbollah at T4-Homs(Syria) air base.

https://www.debka.com/syria-claims-homs-air-base-hit-by-missile-pentagon-denies/ DJ-Israel wanted to stop weapons transfer from Iran to Hezbollah. T4-base also was target during february 10 Israeli air raid.
Russia did give Israel several warnings they would not allow further Israeli air strikes. US most likely gave Israel permission to strike.


DJ-The UN Security council will meet today on the Syria situation. It looks like if there is any further military action from "the west" it will be after the UNSC-meeting. Russia will demand an OPCW-investigation on the claim Syria would have used chemical weapons in Douma (East Ghouta).
China will support such a demand. (DJ-Syria did not have any reason to use chloride in the Douma-scenario. They were using tanks, airforce, artillery-with conventional weapons. The alquada linked "army-of-Islam" (funded by Saudi Arabia) did get very much media coverage-are journalists that stupid ? Does any terrorist group only have to send press-releases to the Main Stream Media to see it being brought as a fact ?)

Russia will not tolerate any (major) western attack on Syria. China (and Iran, North Korea) supporting Russia in this view. Western military options are very limited. They could again attack a Syrian air base and than what ? Assad has already won the war. Any major-massive-attack will get a very strong Russian (etc.) reaction (in the Syria-region or elsewere, strait of Hermuz, Turkey shutting down Incirlik ? Ukraine).

The political lies on "Assad using chemical weapons" most likely are not even supported by most western countries-let alone Muslim countries like Pakistan, Indonesia etc. They consider it as an attack on Islam. 
(VT claims Pentagon against military actions against Russia and Iran, CIA supporting it.)





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DJ-Russia very clear on Syria https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russia-suddenly-puts-troops-on-full-combat-alert/ all over Russia, Russia ready for war. https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/update-iranians-killed-wounded-in-israeli-strike-on-syrias-t-4-base-say-russian-sources-details/ and https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/video-russian-military-police-enters-douma-to-investigate-alleged-chemical-attack/, https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/breaking-pictures-show-aftermath-of-israeli-missile-strike-on-syrian-airbase/ (Lebanese almasdarnews is usualy short read)








First, there is a fair chance that Trump might decide to go for a symbolic attack.  That would be anything under 100 cruise missiles fired at 1-4 targets (and their associated air defenses) and would probably not include government buildings in Damascus.

Second, if there is a real, full-scale US attack on Syria, expect no less than several hundred cruise missiles fired in the first wave of attack, followed by a probably smaller, but possibly similar sized, second wave.  Should that happen you will get first reports of not Syrian air defenses engaging the incoming missiles, but also Russians ones.  There is a strong possibility that at this point Russian military personnel will be reported killed and that, in turn, will probably lead to Russian counter-strikes on US forces with everything that implies.

By the way, there is no reason for the USN to risk their surface ships in such an attack.  The US has converted several SSBNs (“boomers” with sea-launched ICBMs) into a SSGN (cruise missile carrier) each one of them capable of firing 154 Tomahawk cruise missiles.  I don’t know where they currently are deployed, all I am saying that the US does have options, including launching a large amounts of cruise missiles from submarines which would be far less exposed to Russian retaliation, especially if the Navy provides the US SSGNs with aircover (which it definitely can).

Bottom line: don’t mistake the Israeli (or French) clowns for the US armed forces.

As for Syria, let’s see what happens today at the UNSC meeting called by Russia.

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Originally posted by EdwinSm, EdwinSm, wrote:

What will be the response to this?


Syria war: At least 70 killed in suspected chemical attack in Douma 


Syria had tons (yes, TONS) of powerful nerve agents including VX.  It would not be difficult for their agents to smuggle the stuff out of the country and use it against targets including US and European civilian populations.  

You heard it here first.  
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